haha, the waiting game is infuriating!

Rumors have Cincy @ Texas and Oklahoma coming to Cincy. Sounds like maybe Baylor and TCU @Cincy as well which would be a bananas home slate for what we are used to over the past decade.

All rumors though so we’ll see.

I do wonder how much of the current Big 12 will be set up with the new 4 and if there will be much play between the new 4 in the first two years. ie. Will they have Cincy, UH, and UCF play each other at all?

Also will this mean that the old Big 8 schools get left out of the state of Texas for the near future?

(12-14-2022 12:37 PM)Endless Purple Wrote:  I do wonder how much of the current Big 12 will be set up with the new 4 and if there will be much play between the new 4 in the first two years. ie. Will they have Cincy, UH, and UCF play each other at all?

Also will this mean that the old Big 8 schools get left out of the state of Texas for the near future?

UCF vs Houston is expected to be an annual rivalry. Similar to the basketball side.

Expect these established basketball rivalries to carry over to football

I've heard UCF is slated to have 4 home conference games in '23 and 5 in '24.

I'd like to see UC and WVU set up each year for Rivalry Week.

(12-14-2022 05:22 PM)mac6115cd Wrote:  I'd like to see UC and WVU set up each year for Rivalry Week.

Unless something changes the Big 12 really doesn't do a Rivalry Week

(12-14-2022 01:06 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 12:37 PM)Endless Purple Wrote:  I do wonder how much of the current Big 12 will be set up with the new 4 and if there will be much play between the new 4 in the first two years. ie. Will they have Cincy, UH, and UCF play each other at all?

Also will this mean that the old Big 8 schools get left out of the state of Texas for the near future?

UCF vs Houston is expected to be an annual rivalry. Similar to the basketball side.

Expect these established basketball rivalries to carry over to football

And once OUT Leaves Tech/OSU would pair up

Maybe the schedule release is delayed because Texas/OU are pushing for 2023 exit?

Texas and OU leaving in 2024 opens up a Pandora’s box . That means the grant of rights would be moot. Per Dodd, the exit fees could be 50 million ( 60% of 80 million) per school. Question is , what would prevent TCU and some other big12 school from jumping to the pac12, now that the GOR doesn’t apply.

Unless the remaining schools have already signed the new GOR, which I doubt

Because few believe the PAC has any benefit over the Big 12.

If the Dodd article on TEX/OK leaving in 24 comes true, The B12 is setting the table for PAC schools. The B12 doesn't have to profit from PAC schools this contract, they simply need to get them in place for the next one. It is all about setting the B12's position at the table.

(12-16-2022 02:27 PM)Acres Wrote:  Texas and OU leaving in 2024 opens up a Pandora’s box . That means the grant of rights would be moot. Per Dodd, the exit fees could be 50 million ( 60% of 80 million) per school. Question is , what would prevent TCU and some other big12 school from jumping to the pac12, now that the GOR doesn’t apply.

Unless the remaining schools have already signed the new GOR, which I doubt

It won't affect the GOR at all. The rest of the schools will sign the new GOR, TV money requires it. With the 70 million exit fee no one is going anywhere else. The GOR isn't being done away with, Just an early exit fee is being negotiated.

If someone wanted to jump to PAC they would have to wait until 2025 and not sign the new GOR, neither of which is likely and pay 70 million exit fee, to join an unstable conference for little or no gain in payouts.

(12-17-2022 10:47 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(12-16-2022 02:27 PM)Acres Wrote:  Texas and OU leaving in 2024 opens up a Pandora’s box . That means the grant of rights would be moot. Per Dodd, the exit fees could be 50 million ( 60% of 80 million) per school. Question is , what would prevent TCU and some other big12 school from jumping to the pac12, now that the GOR doesn’t apply.

Unless the remaining schools have already signed the new GOR, which I doubt

It won't affect the GOR at all. The rest of the schools will sign the new GOR, TV money requires it. With the 70 million exit fee no one is going anywhere else. The GOR isn't being done away with, Just an early exit fee is being negotiated.

If someone wanted to jump to PAC they would have to wait until 2025 and not sign the new GOR, neither of which is likely and pay 70 million exit fee, to join an unstable conference for little or no gain in payouts.

Yes it absolutely affects the rights. OU and OT gave their rights to the big12. They will need to reacquire those rights. The SEC may not require a GOR but they will most certainly not accept those two into the league with their rights left behind in the big12.

Recall, all this started when OUT declared that they would not extend the current GOR to the conference. They then applied and were invited to the SEC beginning 2025 after expiration of current GOR.

Regarding exit fees, again as Dodd has reported, the 70 million dollar will typically drop down to 60 percent of that value.

Say Amazon offers $40 million per school for pac12 with TCU and Okie State in it. Does TCU think about it, playing four corners and Oregon vs incoming four.

Secondly, how sure are we that the rest of the schools will sign the GOR. Nothing has been reported regarding that. Yormack hasn’t come out publicly to state that he has reached a media deal agreement ( from what I recall)

Again, The PAC 12 has nothing to offer at this point over the Big 12.

$40 million to be seen only on Amazon Prime is a horrible deal. Also without the Los Angeles schools, it is not much benefit, as TCU recruits southern cal (students not necessarily players), and playing Oregon St and Washington St does not help that. Oregon may not even be in the Pac for long. OSU would benefit even less as I do not think they have any ties to southern cal.

(12-18-2022 05:04 PM)Endless Purple Wrote:  Again, The PAC 12 has nothing to offer at this point over the Big 12.

$40 million to be seen only on Amazon Prime is a horrible deal. Also without the Los Angeles schools, it is not much benefit, as TCU recruits southern cal (students not necessarily players), and playing Oregon St and Washington St does not help that. Oregon may not even be in the Pac for long. OSU would benefit even less as I do not think they have any ties to southern cal.

Makes sense. It’s not that the pac12 has nothing to offer over the big12, rather, it’s the massive exit penalties a big12 school would incur if it chose to jump. The truth is the big12 schools are together because of exit penalties.

Why are four corners staying in the pac12 knowing fully well that Oregon and Washington are potential BIG candidate. There no exit fees, no GOR holding them back, why aren’t they jumping to the big12.

Question for legacy big12 fans, would you rather your school is the pac12 without usc and ucla, playing Arizona, Colorado , Arizona state and Utah, or would you rather be in the new big12 playing your legacy conference mates and four incoming schools.

I don't really see what the PAC has to offer any school of the remaining 8 (or the new AAC schools) in any form. If they did get $40 million for media, they would lose money in marketing and fan base from the non-diehard fan. Not to mention the drop in general student recruiting marketing that comes from TV exposure. The remaining PAC schools also are not more desirable in the stadium compared to the B12 teams. Simply little fan appeal for this part of the country.

The only reason I would see any school move to the PAC would be ego. Reading Tech or OSU boards, many fans think they are too good for the B12 (or at least did). Maybe other school fans can chime in to the question.

As for the 4C schools, I don't know that the B12 offers enough money to cause change. Simply put: change is scary for many. That said, I have no idea how the exposure difference would be perceived by the leadership at those schools. Also similar with the fan recognition of teams in the stadium. 4C school's fans probably enjoy existing PAC schools from a familiarity stand point.

Would not mind the AZ schools coming over.

(12-18-2022 11:56 PM)Endless Purple Wrote:  I don't really see what the PAC has to offer any school of the remaining 8 (or the new AAC schools) in any form. If they did get $40 million for media, they would lose money in marketing and fan base from the non-diehard fan. Not to mention the drop in general student recruiting marketing that comes from TV exposure. The remaining PAC schools also are not more desirable in the stadium compared to the B12 teams. Simply little fan appeal for this part of the country.

The only reason I would see any school move to the PAC would be ego. Reading Tech or OSU boards, many fans think they are too good for the B12 (or at least did). Maybe other school fans can chime in to the question.

As for the 4C schools, I don't know that the B12 offers enough money to cause change. Simply put: change is scary for many. That said, I have no idea how the exposure difference would be perceived by the leadership at those schools. Also similar with the fan recognition of teams in the stadium. 4C school's fans probably enjoy existing PAC schools from a familiarity stand point.

Would not mind the AZ schools coming over.

a couple of things: i think we hear something in the next month or two. PAC has its "deal", fb season is over, OU/UT time frame gets finalized one way or the other, and additions, if any, get done. i think the B12 waits until then to release the schedule publicly (the schools seem to have a good idea what it will look like). i think there's a lot going on behind the curtain. we just need to be patient for a while. hell, go and enjoy your families this holiday season!

(12-18-2022 05:51 PM)Acres Wrote:  

(12-18-2022 05:04 PM)Endless Purple Wrote:  Again, The PAC 12 has nothing to offer at this point over the Big 12.

$40 million to be seen only on Amazon Prime is a horrible deal. Also without the Los Angeles schools, it is not much benefit, as TCU recruits southern cal (students not necessarily players), and playing Oregon St and Washington St does not help that. Oregon may not even be in the Pac for long. OSU would benefit even less as I do not think they have any ties to southern cal.

Makes sense. It’s not that the pac12 has nothing to offer over the big12, rather, it’s the massive exit penalties a big12 school would incur if it chose to jump. The truth is the big12 schools are together because of exit penalties.

Why are four corners staying in the pac12 knowing fully well that Oregon and Washington are potential BIG candidate. There no exit fees, no GOR holding them back, why aren’t they jumping to the big12.

Question for legacy big12 fans, would you rather your school is the pac12 without usc and ucla, playing Arizona, Colorado , Arizona state and Utah, or would you rather be in the new big12 playing your legacy conference mates and four incoming schools.

I'm going to agree with Endless Purple here - I don't see any benefit to the P12, even if their TV deal comes in a couple million more per school. Honestly, going with a heavy Amazon Prime package feels like this decade's version of the Pac 12 network. No thank you.

I honestly don't see any schools from any of the P5 leagues making a jump anytime soon. SEC/B1G seem to be done expanding for now and the P12/B12 seem to be getting nearly the same amount of money so there's no incentive.

Personally, I've always been a fan of the Texas schools playing each other. Being a home grown Texan and knowing the football culture in this state, playing the legacy schools from the B12 appeals to me way more to me than anything the P12 could offer. The four new B12 schools intrigue me more than the P12 schools, save Oregon.