(12-28-2022 01:49 PM)stingingeagle Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 12:01 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 10:05 AM)stingingeagle Wrote:  Blaming the previous coach is getting really, really old. The easiest schedule we've ever had was actually in 2014-2015 with Willie Fritz. We sing his praises though don't we? Summers was worse than bad, but equating Lunsford who went 28-21 to Summers is fundamentally wrong on several levels. Lunsford will win somewhere else. At the end of the day he made a bad decision to be a friend instead of a coach, and that cost him in the end.

So far this is a repeat of the Hatcher years. I have hope that Helton can right the ship depending on what changes he makes on defense and how he replaces KVT.

Lunsford barely is holding on to a special team's job. Since three-quarters of the roster was recruited and "developed" by the Lunsford staff yes year one there is carry over and last year's schedule was just as easy. Last year's staff and team maybe scratches out two wins on this year's schedule. No way we beat Nebraska, Ball St, JMU, or App with last year's staff and team. The ODU and FCS game would have been coin flips lol.

I didn't say he was a great coach or even that he would have produced the same results we had this year. I'd be extremely flabbergasted if he had. I'm just saying he's nowhere near Summers bad. Summers level bad is reserved to the most atrocious coaching crimes out there. Lunsford isn't that.

I think given time it would have been just as bad. Lunsford was given better resources and had more time to get a staff than Summers. Neither one of them was even close though. My point is both still have lingering effects on this program. I think fans totally minimize how big of a hole Helton is having to dig out from. Recruits only care about now and have no clue about GS but last years record for the most part and most G5's. Convincing decent talent to come here is going to take multiple years of winning not coming off years of horrid football and one 6-6 season.

(12-28-2022 02:06 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 01:49 PM)stingingeagle Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 12:01 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 10:05 AM)stingingeagle Wrote:  Blaming the previous coach is getting really, really old. The easiest schedule we've ever had was actually in 2014-2015 with Willie Fritz. We sing his praises though don't we? Summers was worse than bad, but equating Lunsford who went 28-21 to Summers is fundamentally wrong on several levels. Lunsford will win somewhere else. At the end of the day he made a bad decision to be a friend instead of a coach, and that cost him in the end.

So far this is a repeat of the Hatcher years. I have hope that Helton can right the ship depending on what changes he makes on defense and how he replaces KVT.

Lunsford barely is holding on to a special team's job. Since three-quarters of the roster was recruited and "developed" by the Lunsford staff yes year one there is carry over and last year's schedule was just as easy. Last year's staff and team maybe scratches out two wins on this year's schedule. No way we beat Nebraska, Ball St, JMU, or App with last year's staff and team. The ODU and FCS game would have been coin flips lol.

I didn't say he was a great coach or even that he would have produced the same results we had this year. I'd be extremely flabbergasted if he had. I'm just saying he's nowhere near Summers bad. Summers level bad is reserved to the most atrocious coaching crimes out there. Lunsford isn't that.

I think given time it would have been just as bad. Lunsford was given better resources and had more time to get a staff than Summers. Neither one of them was even close though. My point is both still have lingering effects on this program. I think fans totally minimize how big of a hole Helton is having to dig out from. Recruits only care about now and have no clue about GS but last years record for the most part and most G5's. Convincing decent talent to come here is going to take multiple years of winning not coming off years of horrid football and one 6-6 season.

Summers was given the best GS team we've fielded probably ever. And yes I agree that Lunsford would've struggled badly unless he had changed offenses completely. I think Tom Herman is his new boss now, so if he doesn't learn how to win from him.. Either way, best of luck to Lunsford is pretty much my thoughts on that.

If the next QB can at least meet the bar KVT set, and the defense goes back to being ranked like #50-70, I truly believe we will be at least as dominant as we were in 2014-2015.

Summers and Lunsford fell short for different reasons.

As noted, Summers inherited a team that - by most accounts - should have been better than the 10-3, 8-0 conference champs. GS returned almost all of the skill position guys on an offense that just gashed everyone and there wasn't enough attrition on the line to slow down much of anything. Within half a season, the offense was in shambles despite few injuries. The one thing Summers managed to do was to have high school recruits quickly develop into All-SBC level players.

Lunsford was more of a hype guy. He took a team full of dejected players and gave them some hope at the end of 2016. He kept older guys from transferring and kept HS recruits in the boat despite the midseason coaching change and then led those guys to an 8-win turnaround. But when the Fritz and Summers recruits ran out, the talent went off a cliff. For the last 1.5 seasons of Lunsford, most of the GS wins came from making a timely big play against a more talented team or barely hanging on to overcome poor execution.

My personal opinion is that Lunsford and his main recruiters liked the idea of taking lightly regarded HS recruits and turning them into stars. They signed almost everyone they put emphasis on, but all too often those guys barely had any offers from FBS - or even FCS powerhouses. Some of those guys played a ton and did what they could, but none of those barely-any-stars were more than a replacement level player. I'm all for taking a shot on a couple of guys you believe in each year, but you can't fill the entire signing class with $1 scratch-offs and expect to hit multiple big winners every time.

(12-28-2022 03:27 PM)CC Eagle Wrote:  Summers and Lunsford fell short for different reasons.

As noted, Summers inherited a team that - by most accounts - should have been better than the 10-3, 8-0 conference champs. GS returned almost all of the skill position guys on an offense that just gashed everyone and there wasn't enough attrition on the line to slow down much of anything. Within half a season, the offense was in shambles despite few injuries. The one thing Summers managed to do was to have high school recruits quickly develop into All-SBC level players.

Lunsford was more of a hype guy. He took a team full of dejected players and gave them some hope at the end of 2016. He kept older guys from transferring and kept HS recruits in the boat despite the midseason coaching change and then led those guys to an 8-win turnaround. But when the Fritz and Summers recruits ran out, the talent went off a cliff. For the last 1.5 seasons of Lunsford, most of the GS wins came from making a timely big play against a more talented team or barely hanging on to overcome poor execution.

My personal opinion is that Lunsford and his main recruiters liked the idea of taking lightly regarded HS recruits and turning them into stars. They signed almost everyone they put emphasis on, but all too often those guys barely had any offers from FBS - or even FCS powerhouses. Some of those guys played a ton and did what they could, but none of those barely-any-stars were more than a replacement level player. I'm all for taking a shot on a couple of guys you believe in each year, but you can't fill the entire signing class with $1 scratch-offs and expect to hit multiple big winners every time.

Player development can only take a guy so far, he's got to have a base level of talent to start with. That's the one piece we were missing, and our player development was never all that great under Lunsford either. Players never seemed to get better and we never really saw them mature physically like we would have expected as well. At the very least, the S&C coach from that time period is App's problem now.

(12-28-2022 03:27 PM)CC Eagle Wrote:  Summers and Lunsford fell short for different reasons.

As noted, Summers inherited a team that - by most accounts - should have been better than the 10-3, 8-0 conference champs. GS returned almost all of the skill position guys on an offense that just gashed everyone and there wasn't enough attrition on the line to slow down much of anything. Within half a season, the offense was in shambles despite few injuries. The one thing Summers managed to do was to have high school recruits quickly develop into All-SBC level players.

Lunsford was more of a hype guy. He took a team full of dejected players and gave them some hope at the end of 2016. He kept older guys from transferring and kept HS recruits in the boat despite the midseason coaching change and then led those guys to an 8-win turnaround. But when the Fritz and Summers recruits ran out, the talent went off a cliff. For the last 1.5 seasons of Lunsford, most of the GS wins came from making a timely big play against a more talented team or barely hanging on to overcome poor execution.

My personal opinion is that Lunsford and his main recruiters liked the idea of taking lightly regarded HS recruits and turning them into stars. They signed almost everyone they put emphasis on, but all too often those guys barely had any offers from FBS - or even FCS powerhouses. Some of those guys played a ton and did what they could, but none of those barely-any-stars were more than a replacement level player. I'm all for taking a shot on a couple of guys you believe in each year, but you can't fill the entire signing class with $1 scratch-offs and expect to hit multiple big winners every time.

This. One thing Fritz does well and hopefully, Helton is doing is not waste his or the players' time if they do not belong in the FBS. Fritz specifically said he would rather not give a scholarship than give it to a kid he did not think could play at this level. Summers and Lunsford only needed a kid to fog a mirror. Helton got our head above water in off-season but we still treading for our lives until we have actual depth. When Jones and Burgess went down it was not the same. I think we are another year away before this team is built right.

I do know that if nothing changes on defense, then it won't matter who we recruit. Not understanding how we can keep the DC and expect different results... Sounds like the definition of insanity/stupidity

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“I honestly thought that we were prepared,” Simmons said. “Unfortunately, it caught me off guard.”

“Please give us another opportunity to come back and experience Montgomery, because that is not typical of the experience that we deliver,” Simmons said in a message directed at this year’s visitors. “It’s not typical of what our fans would normally say.”

The only real pre-game activity for fans this year was a pep rally for both teams at Union Station Train Shed on Monday, and a fan fest zone Tuesday on Patterson Field's parking lot. Should Montgomery have offered more?

“Absolutely,” Simmons said. “For us, the experience is critical. It’s primary.”

To make that happen, Simmons said the Chamber will have to take a more active role. Top of mind things include food truck events, beer and wine gatherings at the Train Shed, and much more live entertainment. This would also be an opportunity to showcase the city’s newly expanded entertainment districts, where people could walk the streets with drinks.

Wow, what a mess!