(12-27-2022 03:36 PM)ODU-Z8 Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 03:33 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  So the Sun Belt could realistically finish with a losing record in bowl games. All this talk of P6 is done or the best G5 is done.

Look at the other "best" G5 and you'll see they've gone 1-4 so far and can only achieve 4-4 maximum

New Conference USA is 3-1. WKU, MTSU, and New Mexico State

(12-27-2022 03:39 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 03:36 PM)ODU-Z8 Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 03:33 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  So the Sun Belt could realistically finish with a losing record in bowl games. All this talk of P6 is done or the best G5 is done.

Look at the other "best" G5 and you'll see they've gone 1-4 so far and can only achieve 4-4 maximum

New Conference USA is 3-1. WKU, MTSU, and New Mexico State

Are you suggesting the New CUSA is the best G5?

All I'm suggesting is if you're using bowl metrics, you have to slander the New AAC harder than us.

The bowl games between the G5 schools have been very competitive. I think there's not much difference between the leagues. Sun Belt had some very impressive wins in the early season. I've seen years where the MAC, CUSA, Mountain West have had similar success against P5 schools. The nice things about the G5 conferences is parity from top to bottom in each league. It's very hard to predict which teams will win the conference and it really could be just about any team in the leagues. Compare that to the Big 10 and the SEC when you can normally count on the league champs coming from a very small group of teams. Usually most of the teams in those leagues are playing for 2nd and 3rd place in most years.

The SunnBelt hype proved to be just that.

This game was very similar to the Eagles' loss to GaSt.

An embarrassing amount of unforced errors and missed chances, compounded with the defense giving up a million chances to get off the field on third down.

Welp that was fun. Lots of little things that killed any chances of a GS win. Field goals instead of TDs early, lots of dropped picks on defense, receiver woes of offense. Our defense has been suspect all year, so that was expected...but playing reserves on offense really showed today. I do like what I saw from our younger kids. A number of kids that I haven't seen this season and they did mostly what they needed to do.

Credit to Buffalo - their front seven in particular were great...also that receiver from Louisville was spectacular. Enjoy the win, well deserved (is this GS's first MAC loss?). Now to wait for spring ball.

(12-27-2022 03:39 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 03:36 PM)ODU-Z8 Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 03:33 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  So the Sun Belt could realistically finish with a losing record in bowl games. All this talk of P6 is done or the best G5 is done.

Look at the other "best" G5 and you'll see they've gone 1-4 so far and can only achieve 4-4 maximum

New Conference USA is 3-1. WKU, MTSU, and New Mexico State

And we whupped your conference champ. Bye

Southern might be the worst team in the conference. Pretty dang embarrassing.

(12-27-2022 03:41 PM)ODU-Z8 Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 03:39 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 03:36 PM)ODU-Z8 Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 03:33 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  So the Sun Belt could realistically finish with a losing record in bowl games. All this talk of P6 is done or the best G5 is done.

Look at the other "best" G5 and you'll see they've gone 1-4 so far and can only achieve 4-4 maximum

New Conference USA is 3-1. WKU, MTSU, and New Mexico State

Are you suggesting the New CUSA is the best G5?

All I'm suggesting is if you're using bowl metrics, you have to slander the New AAC harder than us.

No, I am not suggesting that at all. I am just suggesting that this idea that the Sun Belt has risen to the top of G5, which was suggested a lot earlier in the year, is premature.

Using glorified exhibitions where there is so much roster turnover and staff turnover to judge anything is dumb.

(12-27-2022 04:06 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 03:41 PM)ODU-Z8 Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 03:39 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 03:36 PM)ODU-Z8 Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 03:33 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  So the Sun Belt could realistically finish with a losing record in bowl games. All this talk of P6 is done or the best G5 is done.

Look at the other "best" G5 and you'll see they've gone 1-4 so far and can only achieve 4-4 maximum

New Conference USA is 3-1. WKU, MTSU, and New Mexico State

Are you suggesting the New CUSA is the best G5?

All I'm suggesting is if you're using bowl metrics, you have to slander the New AAC harder than us.

No, I am not suggesting that at all. I am just suggesting that this idea that the Sun Belt has risen to the top of G5, which was suggested a lot earlier in the year, is premature.

I don’t think you can suggest we arnt from these bowl games either… we will know for sure in the next couple years.

Troy beat the Cusa champ and arguably the best team in the AAC next year.

Southern Miss beat Rice AAC member next year

Marshall beat a pretty good UConn team

South wet the bed over a WKU team that seems to get hot in bowl season. But WKU has a loss to a SBC team in the season.

UL and GS has close losses to other 6-6 programs

Coastal. Well I don’t have a lot of hope for but a win would be pretty damn big seeing how beat up coastal is.

(12-27-2022 03:59 PM)BlueBird10 Wrote:  Southern might be the worst team in the conference. Pretty dang embarrassing.

I'll be first in line to say that we shot ourselves in the foot and pissed away a few games. And while I think we have some good talent, I wouldn't rank us in the top tier. And there's no doubt that DC Harris is going to have the hottest seat in the league when 2023 begins.

That said, I think Helton and company did about as much as could have been reasonably expected in his first season, with a brand new staff, a nearly total 180 on the offensive scheme. and a conference that played much tougher than in seasons past.

Georgia Southern has a lot of big holes to fill moving forward and a fair amount of unanswered coaching and depth questions, but I'd still give this season a solid B. Maybe even a B+.

Gotta find a new QB to keep the momentum rolling. And while the young and raw skill guys hurt them in the bowl, they're also the ones that stepped up and provided the comeback win that got the Eagles to bowl season in the first place.

Should have been a win, but I'll trade one bad Camellia Bowl during a .500 season for whatever gains and consistency we can take from a weird roller coaster of a season.

(12-27-2022 04:13 PM)CC Eagle Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 03:59 PM)BlueBird10 Wrote:  Southern might be the worst team in the conference. Pretty dang embarrassing.

I'll be first in line to say that we shot ourselves in the foot and pissed away a few games. And while I think we have some good talent, I wouldn't rank us in the top tier. And there's no doubt that DC Harris is going to have the hottest seat in the league when 2023 begins.

That said, I think Helton and company did about as much as could have been reasonably expected in his first season, with a brand new staff, a nearly total 180 on the offensive scheme. and a conference that played much tougher than in seasons past.

Georgia Southern has a lot of big holes to fill moving forward and a fair amount of unanswered coaching and depth questions, but I'd still give this season a solid B. Maybe even a B+.

Gotta find a new QB to keep the momentum rolling. And while the young and raw skill guys hurt them in the bowl, they're also the ones that stepped up and provided the comeback win that got the Eagles to bowl season in the first place.

Should have been a win, but I'll trade one bad Camellia Bowl during a .500 season for whatever gains and consistency we can take from a weird roller coaster of a season.

That's too rational damnit, lol. I just can't understand beating a P5 (even if they are terrible), beating a top 25, beating crApp but losing to a horrible gay state program AGAIN and losing to a terrible MAC team. It's all over the place and sucks so bad. Vantrease was a hole filler and did what he could but I'll be glad to see him move on and see what we can bring in at QB that will hopefully have some semblance of consistency/elite passing ability. The lines need a lot of help too. I'll never give a HC better than a C+ if we lose to gay state...it's too much of an embarrassment to overcome.

(12-27-2022 03:57 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 03:39 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 03:36 PM)ODU-Z8 Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 03:33 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  So the Sun Belt could realistically finish with a losing record in bowl games. All this talk of P6 is done or the best G5 is done.

Look at the other "best" G5 and you'll see they've gone 1-4 so far and can only achieve 4-4 maximum

New Conference USA is 3-1. WKU, MTSU, and New Mexico State

And we whupped your conference champ. Bye

UTSA is not in CUSA anymore after this year, so if you want to say you whipped the AAC conference champ, fine. You didn't whip them, you won, but it was not a blowout by any stretch.

(12-27-2022 04:25 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 03:57 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 03:39 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 03:36 PM)ODU-Z8 Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 03:33 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  So the Sun Belt could realistically finish with a losing record in bowl games. All this talk of P6 is done or the best G5 is done.

Look at the other "best" G5 and you'll see they've gone 1-4 so far and can only achieve 4-4 maximum

New Conference USA is 3-1. WKU, MTSU, and New Mexico State

And we whupped your conference champ. Bye

UTSA is not in CUSA anymore after this year, so if you want to say you whipped the AAC conference champ, fine. You didn't whip them, you won, but it was not a blowout by any stretch.

Alright we beat a AAC champ then lol. Holding their offense who scores 30+ a game to 10 offensive points and scoreless in 2nd half is a pretty bad whupping.

How did liberty do? Lol

(12-27-2022 04:25 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 03:57 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 03:39 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 03:36 PM)ODU-Z8 Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 03:33 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  So the Sun Belt could realistically finish with a losing record in bowl games. All this talk of P6 is done or the best G5 is done.

Look at the other "best" G5 and you'll see they've gone 1-4 so far and can only achieve 4-4 maximum

New Conference USA is 3-1. WKU, MTSU, and New Mexico State

And we whupped your conference champ. Bye

UTSA is not in CUSA anymore after this year, so if you want to say you whipped the AAC conference champ, fine. You didn't whip them, you won, but it was not a blowout by any stretch.

Liberty is a horrible example of an institute of higher education, practically printing degrees like our govt is printing money...worthless...and the football program is pure garbage, comparable to chicken $hlt. But you know what, your football team would wipe the floor with Georgia Southern so there's that.

Well done Georgia Southern! The fan support was amazing and that matters as does the way the game was played. Tough loss but nothing to hang your heads about. Helton has your team headed about.

(12-27-2022 04:20 PM)BlueBird10 Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 04:13 PM)CC Eagle Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 03:59 PM)BlueBird10 Wrote:  Southern might be the worst team in the conference. Pretty dang embarrassing.

I'll be first in line to say that we shot ourselves in the foot and pissed away a few games. And while I think we have some good talent, I wouldn't rank us in the top tier. And there's no doubt that DC Harris is going to have the hottest seat in the league when 2023 begins.

That said, I think Helton and company did about as much as could have been reasonably expected in his first season, with a brand new staff, a nearly total 180 on the offensive scheme. and a conference that played much tougher than in seasons past.

Georgia Southern has a lot of big holes to fill moving forward and a fair amount of unanswered coaching and depth questions, but I'd still give this season a solid B. Maybe even a B+.

Gotta find a new QB to keep the momentum rolling. And while the young and raw skill guys hurt them in the bowl, they're also the ones that stepped up and provided the comeback win that got the Eagles to bowl season in the first place.

Should have been a win, but I'll trade one bad Camellia Bowl during a .500 season for whatever gains and consistency we can take from a weird roller coaster of a season.

That's too rational damnit, lol. I just can't understand beating a P5 (even if they are terrible), beating a top 25, beating crApp but losing to a horrible gay state program AGAIN and losing to a terrible MAC team. It's all over the place and sucks so bad. Vantrease was a hole filler and did what he could but I'll be glad to see him move on and see what we can bring in at QB that will hopefully have some semblance of consistency/elite passing ability. The lines need a lot of help too. I'll never give a HC better than a C+ if we lose to gay state...it's too much of an embarrassment to overcome.

I hear ya. And some of your complaints are right in line with some of my thoughts.

Even five years ago, what the GS offense did this year - compared to the stats and scheme of last year - would have been beyond impossible. Luckily, the portal and EXTREMELY relaxed eligibility/transfer rules played a large part in making the passing attack possible.

But it's a double-edged sword. While the new rules allow an entire roster to change directions and stock the roster with the right guys for the new scheme much more quickly, that comes at the expense of having to build chemistry and understanding on the fly. That's going to rear its head in the form of inconsistency, and that's exactly what caused the Eagles' most frustrating losses.

UAB seemed to get away with much more physical DB play than anyone else all year, and we didn't have an answer. GaSt stuck close to the receivers. I don't know enough about Xs and Os to say if they forced GS out of routes or timing, but they did something that resulted in some of KVT's worst throws in regards to accuracy/timing despite him not being hurried. And today was just a wet sack of ****... The most non-blitz pressure GS allowed all season, a couple of throws off the mark, a ton of drops by second and third string WRs and a defense that was just way too soft and allowed *checks stats* about a million 8-yard completions on 3rd-and-7.

On the downside, there is a lot of production that needs to be replaced or improved next season. On the upside, a lot of the people that will be asked to provide all of that are already on the roster, and that will provide the familiarity and consistency that can dig you out of the days where not much is going your way.

Tough one, Southern. On to basketball season.

(12-27-2022 03:39 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 03:36 PM)ODU-Z8 Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 03:33 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  So the Sun Belt could realistically finish with a losing record in bowl games. All this talk of P6 is done or the best G5 is done.

Look at the other "best" G5 and you'll see they've gone 1-4 so far and can only achieve 4-4 maximum

New Conference USA is 3-1. WKU, MTSU, and New Mexico State

Yeah and you're the -1 so stfu and move on.