So that's 80. Buffalo up.

Do App. St. and Army (if they beat Navy) get in ahead of Rice?

(12-01-2022 02:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  So that's 80. Buffalo up.

Do App. St. and Army (if they beat Navy) get in ahead of Rice?

don't think so. they did away with the 6-6 with 2 fcs wins considerations a few years ago.

(12-01-2022 01:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

That is the right decision.

(11-29-2022 12:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Is JMU get a waiver for a bowl since not all bowl slots are filled?

If I were King...I'd take JMU over Rice

Too bad they are a legit Top 50 team

RIP Frisco Bowl and Rice's chance to go bowling.

https://thespun.com/college-football/esp...e-decision

(12-01-2022 07:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 07:16 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  RIP Frisco Bowl and Rice's chance to go bowling.

https://thespun.com/college-football/esp...e-decision

If I understand correctly, it also means NM State's waiver might be in vain - NM State is no longer guaranteed a bowl game.

If Buffalo wins tomorrow, they will take the 80th and final spot.

That's my understanding at this point. Buffalo wins and they're in. Lose and NMSU gets the spot.

I think Frisco Bowl would have given 84 bowl slots.

Now that it's gone it will still be 82

(12-01-2022 07:28 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 07:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 07:16 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  RIP Frisco Bowl and Rice's chance to go bowling.

https://thespun.com/college-football/esp...e-decision

If I understand correctly, it also means NM State's waiver might be in vain - NM State is no longer guaranteed a bowl game.

If Buffalo wins tomorrow, they will take the 80th and final spot.

That's my understanding at this point. Buffalo wins and they're in. Lose and NMSU gets the spot.

Before seeing you had replied, I deleted my post you replied to because I think I was wrong - the Frisco Classic would have been an extra game, game #43, as "SoloHawks" says above, its cancelation does not remove any games.

The "Frisco Bowl" is still on. The "Frisco Football Classic" is what was canceled. That only existed last year, and was a game created to give all bowl-eligible teams a place to play. If I understand correctly, ESPN is just saying they are not creating that game again this year, because there is no need for it.

So Rice should be still in, as is NM State, with only the Buffalo/UNLV issue to be resolved.

(12-01-2022 07:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 07:28 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 07:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 07:16 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  RIP Frisco Bowl and Rice's chance to go bowling.

https://thespun.com/college-football/esp...e-decision

If I understand correctly, it also means NM State's waiver might be in vain - NM State is no longer guaranteed a bowl game.

If Buffalo wins tomorrow, they will take the 80th and final spot.

That's my understanding at this point. Buffalo wins and they're in. Lose and NMSU gets the spot.

I deleted this post you replied to because I think I was wrong - the Frisco Classic would have been an extra game, game #43, its cancelation does not remove any games.

The "Frisco Bowl" is still on. The "Frisco Football Classic" is what was canceled. That only existed last year, and was a game created to give all bowl-eligible teams a place to play. If I understand correctly, ESPN is just saying they are not creating that game again this year, because there is no need for it.

So Rice should be still in, as is NM State, with only the Buffalo/UNLV issue to be resolved.

The real irony would come if NMSU somehow loses to Valpo and finishes 5-7, in which case their waiver would no longer apply.

(12-01-2022 07:39 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 07:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 07:28 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 07:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 07:16 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  RIP Frisco Bowl and Rice's chance to go bowling.

https://thespun.com/college-football/esp...e-decision

If I understand correctly, it also means NM State's waiver might be in vain - NM State is no longer guaranteed a bowl game.

If Buffalo wins tomorrow, they will take the 80th and final spot.

That's my understanding at this point. Buffalo wins and they're in. Lose and NMSU gets the spot.

I deleted this post you replied to because I think I was wrong - the Frisco Classic would have been an extra game, game #43, its cancelation does not remove any games.

The "Frisco Bowl" is still on. The "Frisco Football Classic" is what was canceled. That only existed last year, and was a game created to give all bowl-eligible teams a place to play. If I understand correctly, ESPN is just saying they are not creating that game again this year, because there is no need for it.

So Rice should be still in, as is NM State, with only the Buffalo/UNLV issue to be resolved.

The real irony would come if NMSU somehow loses to Valpo and finishes 5-7, in which case their waiver would no longer apply.

I'd pay 10 bucks to see that happen, LOL. :)

Glad for NMSU but is ridiculous that an archaic rule will prevent a team with 7 fbs wins to stay home while a 5-7 apr team gets in. NCAA should be giving JMU a waiver as well.

(12-01-2022 08:03 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Glad for NMSU but is ridiculous that an archaic rule will prevent a team with 7 fbs wins to stay home while a 5-7 apr team gets in. NCAA should be giving JMU a waiver as well.

Rules about bowl eligibility are anything but archaic. They seem to not only be recent, but also ever evolving. I can't wait to see how the rules change once the CFP takes four eligible teams out of the pool available for bowl games.

(12-01-2022 07:28 PM)solohawks Wrote:  I think Frisco Bowl would have given 84 bowl slots.

Now that it's gone it will still be 82

Correct. There still are 41 bowls and 82 slots.

So Rice still looks good.

DFW still has 4 bowls in 4 different stadiums-one in Frisco, one at TCU, one at SMU and the Cotton Bowl.

I counted 81 teams that are 6-6 and above. That includes JMU.

AAC 7
ACC 9
Big 12 8
Big 10 9
C-USA 5
Ind. 4
MAC 5
MWC 7
PAC 12 7
SEC 11
SBC 9

JMU will get the waiver because not enough teams qualify.

Buffalo and Army both could qualify to make it number 82 and 83 if they win this weekend. Since the Frisco bowl is gone? One of the 6-6 teams will be staying home. So, somebody is not counting right here unless JMU and one other are not getting waivers who have winning records.

(12-02-2022 07:55 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  I counted 81 teams that are 6-6 and above. That includes JMU.

AAC 7
ACC 9
Big 12 8
Big 10 9
C-USA 5
Ind. 4
MAC 5
MWC 7
PAC 12 7
SEC 11
SBC 9

JMU will get the waiver because not enough teams qualify.

Buffalo and Army both could qualify to make it number 82 and 83 if they win this weekend. Since the Frisco bowl is gone? One of the 6-6 teams will be staying home. So, somebody is not counting right here unless JMU and one other are not getting waivers who have winning records.

IIRC, Army plays Navy next weekend, December 10, after bowl announcements are made. Also, IIRC if Army beats Navy, they will be 6-6 but still not qualify as they have two FCS wins to get to six, and they are not allowed to count one of them.

As for JMU, have they even applied for a waiver? If so I haven't heard that they have. If they have I don't know why the NCAA would grant one.

Buffalo, I agree would qualify as a regular 6-6 bowl eligible team if they win today vs Akron. That would by my count mean that we have 80 regular bowl eligible teams, plus a waiver-eligible team (New Mexico State) meaning we have 81 teams, one short. That spot will IIRC go to Rice, as the top 5-win APR school.

As for the Frisco Bowl, my understanding is that this game is being played. It is something called the "Frisco Football Classic", a second game, that was played last year, that is not being played. But there are 41 bowl games being played, meaning 82 slots to be filled.

But we shall see. I have been wrong before.

Frisco Football Classic was ESPN salvaging the Bowl hosting ability of the San Francisco Bowl once it folded

(12-02-2022 07:55 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  I counted 81 teams that are 6-6 and above. That includes JMU.

AAC 7
ACC 9
Big 12 8
Big 10 9
C-USA 5
Ind. 4
MAC 5
MWC 7
PAC 12 7
SEC 11
SBC 9

JMU will get the waiver because not enough teams qualify.

Buffalo and Army both could qualify to make it number 82 and 83 if they win this weekend. Since the Frisco bowl is gone? One of the 6-6 teams will be staying home. So, somebody is not counting right here unless JMU and one other are not getting waivers who have winning records.

JMU we would have already known if they had gotten the waiver. they are SOL.

Army is out due to 2 FCS wins. That no longer counts ever. So they're SOL.

I read an article today that said that NM State is bowl eligible even if they lose to Valpo tomorrow.

If true, that IMO is absurd. Goes way beyond giving them consideration for not being able to play another FBS game to allowing them to qualify in a way nobody else who played 12 games and finished 5-7 can. Heck, as of now, NM State only has 4 FBS wins, one of their wins is over an FCS team.

In contrast, Buffalo right now is also 5-6, with 5 FBS wins and an FCS loss, and they aren't eligible. They need to win a sixth FBS game today to qualify. If they were playing an FCS team today, they would need to beat them to qualify too. If they lost to an FCS team, they would be out, so same should apply to NM State.

The waiver should be "OK, you couldn't play an FBS team, so to qualify, you can do so by playing and beating an FCS team". That itself would be a sweet deal for NM State, IMO. But to let them lose this game and still qualify? Boggling.

I expect NMSU to win and make the whole point moot. But I agree, it is a bit weird that they were declared eligible even with a loss.

To me it seemed like a fair compromise to allow them a second FCS win to count towards eligibility given the cancellation and the fact that they tried to schedule every other FBS team. I'm glad the NCAA was flexible.