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RE: APR Bowl Race - Final Week
(11-28-2022 07:47 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(11-27-2022 11:00 PM)stever20 Wrote:  It'll be interesting to see if there are any extra games this week lined up quickly. Think something like Arizona @ Hawaii. Both are 5-7 teams. Winner would get to 6-7 and thus over the APR teams.

Two problems with that: Hawaii isn't 5-7. In fact, they are 3-10 which means not only can't they play Arizona they can't play anyone else either since they already played 13 games.

gotcha. so needs to be teams that are 5-7 that played at Hawaii this year...
Vanderbilt
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RE: APR Bowl Race - Final Week
(11-28-2022 11:44 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-28-2022 07:47 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(11-27-2022 11:00 PM)stever20 Wrote:  It'll be interesting to see if there are any extra games this week lined up quickly. Think something like Arizona @ Hawaii. Both are 5-7 teams. Winner would get to 6-7 and thus over the APR teams.

Two problems with that: Hawaii isn't 5-7. In fact, they are 3-10 which means not only can't they play Arizona they can't play anyone else either since they already played 13 games.

gotcha. so needs to be teams that are 5-7 that played at Hawaii this year...
Vanderbilt
UNLV

And since UNLV would appear to be an APR qualifier if no waivers or other maneuvering goes on, that leaves only Vandy, and I don't think they'd be interested.
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https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...-bowl-game
NMSU seeks waiver. Nobody will play them.
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(11-28-2022 09:27 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...-bowl-game
NMSU seeks waiver. Nobody will play them.
Valparaiso might. It wouldn't let NMSU qualify for a bowl, but it would give them a 12th game.
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(11-28-2022 09:27 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...-bowl-game
NMSU seeks waiver. Nobody will play them.

FWIW, I hope the waiver is unsuccessful. It is not NMST's fault that they didn't get to play game 12, but a waiver would basically be an agreement that they won the unplayed game, which they didn't as it wasn't played.

Also, IMO a waiver isn't needed, because with five wins NMST, like Rice and several others, is eligible for bowl consideration, based on APR. But, they know that they are down the APR list and so are unlikely to get in that way. Well, that's on them, IMO.
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the hell with NMST, we need Auburn in bowl picture
with no coach or players

btw, I read on MAC board, transferring school are not eligible to
guard against D-1A players transferring in with immediately eligiblilty
transfer portal eliminates that
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Is JMU get a waiver for a bowl since not all bowl slots are filled?
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NMSU got the waiver to play Valpo (more that Valpo got the waiver to play a 12th game vs. NMSU). Still a 2nd FCS game, but they do get the game made up on Saturday.
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(11-29-2022 09:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  NMSU got the waiver to play Valpo (more that Valpo got the waiver to play a 12th game vs. NMSU). Still a 2nd FCS game, but they do get the game made up on Saturday.

Should they win aren't they put at the top of the list? I think 6-6 teams with 2 FCS wins are above Apr school's.
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(11-30-2022 12:43 AM)46566 Wrote:  
(11-29-2022 09:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  NMSU got the waiver to play Valpo (more that Valpo got the waiver to play a 12th game vs. NMSU). Still a 2nd FCS game, but they do get the game made up on Saturday.

Should they win aren't they put at the top of the list? I think 6-6 teams with 2 FCS wins are above Apr school's.
The exemption for FCS schools is if the school uses 80% of the maximum number of grants-in-aid. So FCS games against the Ivy League, Pioneer League and Georgetown don't count. Games against Patriot and NEC may count. The 80% is based on the student count (so 80% of 85 or 68), rather than the equivalency count. The NEC has a cap of 40 equivalency rather than the FCS cap. So an NEC school must use 40 scholarships among at least 68 players.

If they don't fund at the 80% level an FBS school won't schedule them, because in general it won't count towards six wins.

If not enough teams reach 6-6 with an FCS school that funds 80%, then a game against an FCS school that funds less than 80% can be counted. But no FBS school would schedule an FCS school with fewer than 80%, because they know that the game won't count towards bowl eligibility.

I suspect that any contract for an FBS-FCS game would stipulate that the FCS school is granting the required number of scholarships.

NMSU has already counted the game against Lamar as their one FCS win. If not for that game, they could count a win over Valparaiso.

NMSU is playing Valparaiso because they want a sixth home game, and perhaps to demonstrate that really, really, tried to schedule a replacement game.
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yes 6 win schools with 2 FCS wins automatically are granted waivers
before APR with 5 wins are eligible
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Valparaiso won't count, and they will be denied. They should have contacted ACU, Northern Arizona or Southern Utah for the 12th home game. ACU should have been in the playoffs, but it went to EKU out of the ASUN.
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My understanding is that this game versus Valparaiso will do nothing to help New Mexico State's Bowl eligibility. Will not move them ahead of teams on the APR list.

But maybe i am wrong?
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They should call ACU who is at 7-4, and make a deal and said if you can play us for the 12th game? It would be a post season game for you since they did not get invited to the FCS playoffs. Now, that would helped New Mexico State's case than playing Valparaiso.
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(11-30-2022 10:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  My understanding is that this game versus Valparaiso will do nothing to help New Mexico State's Bowl eligibility. Will not move them ahead of teams on the APR list.

But maybe i am wrong?
That is correct. See Rule 18.7.2.1.3(a).

There is an exception for a win against a non-scholarship FCS school if it is the ONE win over a FCS school. NMSU has a win against Lamar. They can't count a second win over any FCS school.

NMSU knows that the game against Valparaiso does not make them bowl eligible. A win over Sacramento State or Sam Houston would not make them eligible. NMSU just wanted a sixth home game so they can have a senior day plus provide a home game. It also replaces the postponed basketball game between UNM and NMSU.

I did find a connection between Valparaiso and NMSU. Jack Jarnigan a graduate assistant at NMSU, was an offensive lineman and captain at Valpo, graduating in 2019. He previously was an assistant coach at NAIA Marian University and Wisconsin-River Falls.

Under current NCAA rules an FBS schools is limited to 1 HC, 10 assistants, and four graduate assistants. One of the Transformation Committee recommendations is to simplify rules for coaches (graduate assistants have limited recruiting roles). Presumably a school hires someone as a graduate assistant because they have hit their quota of assistants.
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(11-30-2022 10:16 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Valparaiso won't count, and they will be denied. They should have contacted ACU, Northern Arizona or Southern Utah for the 12th home game. ACU should have been in the playoffs, but it went to EKU out of the ASUN.
ACU didn't even win the WAC title. They lost to SFA twice.
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(11-30-2022 10:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  My understanding is that this game versus Valparaiso will do nothing to help New Mexico State's Bowl eligibility. Will not move them ahead of teams on the APR list.

But maybe i am wrong?

Nothing against NMSU, but I hope it doesn't let them replace a team that would qualify based on APR.
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(11-30-2022 05:39 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(11-30-2022 10:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  My understanding is that this game versus Valparaiso will do nothing to help New Mexico State's Bowl eligibility. Will not move them ahead of teams on the APR list.

But maybe i am wrong?

Nothing against NMSU, but I hope it doesn't let them replace a team that would qualify based on APR.

Why? NMSU had a great reason for cancelling the game against SJSU. They tried to reschedule. They tried to get other, more worthy opponents.
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(11-30-2022 10:16 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Valparaiso won't count, and they will be denied. They should have contacted ACU, Northern Arizona or Southern Utah for the 12th home game. ACU should have been in the playoffs, but it went to EKU out of the ASUN.

Those schools have already shut down their programs for the season.
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(11-30-2022 02:51 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  
(11-30-2022 10:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  My understanding is that this game versus Valparaiso will do nothing to help New Mexico State's Bowl eligibility. Will not move them ahead of teams on the APR list.

But maybe i am wrong?
That is correct. See Rule 18.7.2.1.3(a).

There is an exception for a win against a non-scholarship FCS school if it is the ONE win over a FCS school. NMSU has a win against Lamar. They can't count a second win over any FCS school.

NMSU knows that the game against Valparaiso does not make them bowl eligible. A win over Sacramento State or Sam Houston would not make them eligible. NMSU just wanted a sixth home game so they can have a senior day plus provide a home game. It also replaces the postponed basketball game between UNM and NMSU.

I did find a connection between Valparaiso and NMSU. Jack Jarnigan a graduate assistant at NMSU, was an offensive lineman and captain at Valpo, graduating in 2019. He previously was an assistant coach at NAIA Marian University and Wisconsin-River Falls.

Under current NCAA rules an FBS schools is limited to 1 HC, 10 assistants, and four graduate assistants. One of the Transformation Committee recommendations is to simplify rules for coaches (graduate assistants have limited recruiting roles). Presumably a school hires someone as a graduate assistant because they have hit their quota of assistants.
It turns out that Jarnigan's mom is an Assistant AD and football sports administrator at Valpo. So probably, Jarnigan flew home for Thanksgiving dinner, and then could travel on to Lynchburg for the game against Liberty.

"Room for fifths, Jack?" (remember he was an offensive lineman)
"Sure, you're the best cook, Mom."
"So are you going to have a bowl game?"
"Not sure if we can get a game, and we have to beat Liberty first."
"You know what, I can have Valpo fly out to Las Cruces, and I can see my grandbaby." (I have no idea whether Jarnigan has children, creative license for purposes of the story). "It'll be like a bowl game for us." (this is Valpo's first December game ever)
"Maybe we can call it the Hatch Chile Bowl"
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