(07-23-2021 06:28 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 10:27 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 10:00 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:53 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Go big.

The basketball first schools in the ACC should be terrified of other people doing exactly that. The SEC or the B1G could just reach down and double the conference payments to FSU, Clemson, GT, VT, Miami, and NC State and that's a wrap on ACC football at the P level. All the Jordans and all the Zions on Earth can't overcome football being more than 80% of the revenue now. If the ACC were going to do something to stop this runaway train it should have happened some time ago, starting with yanking March Madness away from the NCAA so that basketball doesn't fund the entirety of the NCAA any more. By letting the NCAA consume a huge chunk of the basketball money the ACC allowed this trajectory to happen. In 1984 when the NCAA lost all the football money that should have been a four alarm fire in Durham and Chapel Hill to do the same with March Madness.

^^^ THIS ^^^

Might be the best comment anyone has ever posted on this site!

Reputation cheapskate.

It won't matter in 50 years when those stadiums are hosting soccer games.

(07-23-2021 06:36 PM)esayem Wrote:  It won't matter in 50 years when those stadiums are hosting soccer games.

Soccer is going to have to work real hard ... to overtake hockey.

(07-23-2021 04:05 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 01:22 PM)nole Wrote:  The ACC's #1 issue is they are just living in another world....living in the past. Asleep at the wheel for 15 years plus misreading EVERYTHING and thnking Swofford was a Ninja.


He was the Tommy Boy of Ninja's. A joke and he killed the ACC

Well, I for one am glad that Ninja Swoff convinced your people to sign the GOR.

He did....kind of one fool fooling another, but he definitely got the best of FSU's god awful, horrible leadership. That stated, FSU has been run by absolute morons for about 15 years now. (athletically)

(07-23-2021 06:28 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 10:27 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 10:00 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:53 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Go big.

The basketball first schools in the ACC should be terrified of other people doing exactly that. The SEC or the B1G could just reach down and double the conference payments to FSU, Clemson, GT, VT, Miami, and NC State and that's a wrap on ACC football at the P level. All the Jordans and all the Zions on Earth can't overcome football being more than 80% of the revenue now. If the ACC were going to do something to stop this runaway train it should have happened some time ago, starting with yanking March Madness away from the NCAA so that basketball doesn't fund the entirety of the NCAA any more. By letting the NCAA consume a huge chunk of the basketball money the ACC allowed this trajectory to happen. In 1984 when the NCAA lost all the football money that should have been a four alarm fire in Durham and Chapel Hill to do the same with March Madness.

^^^ THIS ^^^

Might be the best comment anyone has ever posted on this site!

Reputation cheapskate.

My bad - just gave you 6 (you'll have to earn the extra point or go for 2)

(07-23-2021 06:22 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 04:24 PM)esayem Wrote:  If the ACC expanded then wouldn't the GOR become void? If that's the case, why would the majority of the conference want that? You think Wake Forest and Boston College want to open the door for Clemson and FSU to leave?

PLUS, THERE ARE NO SCHOOLS LEFT THAT WILL MAKE THE ACC MONEY

I have never understood this statement.

Please explain to me what that money machine Pitt brought to the table that UC didn't. I'd like to know.

Better be nice to us...if this thing becomes a P2 or P3 we might be inviting you into the new super-tweener league.

As HokieMark explained...there are literally only about 10-15 programs that can join or move to the P5 that would at worst be revenue neutral at this point. Cincy, UCF, Pitt, Cuse, WV, Louisville aren't in that club. Pitt and especially Cuse were revenue positive in 2011, not 2021. Notre Dame is the only school out there that the ACC has a chance with and could add to the bottom line.

The SEC and B1G could actually add a school or schools that aren't revenue neutral or better; but sometimes in business it still makes sense...as you weaken the competition so much that ultimately it pays off in 5-7 years.

(07-23-2021 08:07 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:22 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 04:24 PM)esayem Wrote:  If the ACC expanded then wouldn't the GOR become void? If that's the case, why would the majority of the conference want that? You think Wake Forest and Boston College want to open the door for Clemson and FSU to leave?

PLUS, THERE ARE NO SCHOOLS LEFT THAT WILL MAKE THE ACC MONEY

I have never understood this statement.

Please explain to me what that money machine Pitt brought to the table that UC didn't. I'd like to know.

Better be nice to us...if this thing becomes a P2 or P3 we might be inviting you into the new super-tweener league.

As HokieMark explained...there are literally only about 10-15 programs that can join or move to the P5 that would at worst be revenue neutral at this point. Cincy, UCF, Pitt, Cuse, WV, Louisville aren't in that club. Pitt and especially Cuse were revenue positive in 2011, not 2021. Notre Dame is the only school out there that the ACC has a chance with and could add to the bottom line.

That’s a good post Mark.

I can remember when the ACC added Louisville.
ESPN said upfront that The ACC would get nothing for adding UofL.

The key was the conference didn’t lose anything. That meant Louisville was just as valuable to the conference as Maryland was.

That was a big deal then. The ACC is in a much better spot now.

(07-23-2021 07:06 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:28 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 10:27 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 10:00 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:53 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Go big.

The basketball first schools in the ACC should be terrified of other people doing exactly that. The SEC or the B1G could just reach down and double the conference payments to FSU, Clemson, GT, VT, Miami, and NC State and that's a wrap on ACC football at the P level. All the Jordans and all the Zions on Earth can't overcome football being more than 80% of the revenue now. If the ACC were going to do something to stop this runaway train it should have happened some time ago, starting with yanking March Madness away from the NCAA so that basketball doesn't fund the entirety of the NCAA any more. By letting the NCAA consume a huge chunk of the basketball money the ACC allowed this trajectory to happen. In 1984 when the NCAA lost all the football money that should have been a four alarm fire in Durham and Chapel Hill to do the same with March Madness.

^^^ THIS ^^^

Might be the best comment anyone has ever posted on this site!

Reputation cheapskate.

My bad - just gave you 6 (you'll have to earn the extra point or go for 2)

I can only give a max of 2? How do you get it bumped up to three?

(07-23-2021 06:22 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 04:24 PM)esayem Wrote:  If the ACC expanded then wouldn't the GOR become void? If that's the case, why would the majority of the conference want that? You think Wake Forest and Boston College want to open the door for Clemson and FSU to leave?

PLUS, THERE ARE NO SCHOOLS LEFT THAT WILL MAKE THE ACC MONEY

I have never understood this statement.

Please explain to me what that money machine Pitt brought to the table that UC didn't. I'd like to know.

That’s not a slight in the least toward Cincinnati. You’ll find your Bearcats have a lot of support here especially from the old Big East guys.

(07-23-2021 08:14 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 07:06 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:28 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 10:27 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 10:00 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  The basketball first schools in the ACC should be terrified of other people doing exactly that. The SEC or the B1G could just reach down and double the conference payments to FSU, Clemson, GT, VT, Miami, and NC State and that's a wrap on ACC football at the P level. All the Jordans and all the Zions on Earth can't overcome football being more than 80% of the revenue now. If the ACC were going to do something to stop this runaway train it should have happened some time ago, starting with yanking March Madness away from the NCAA so that basketball doesn't fund the entirety of the NCAA any more. By letting the NCAA consume a huge chunk of the basketball money the ACC allowed this trajectory to happen. In 1984 when the NCAA lost all the football money that should have been a four alarm fire in Durham and Chapel Hill to do the same with March Madness.

^^^ THIS ^^^

Might be the best comment anyone has ever posted on this site!

Reputation cheapskate.

My bad - just gave you 6 (you'll have to earn the extra point or go for 2)

I can only give a max of 2? How do you get it bumped up to three?

Sorry only full ACC members can give 3 points.

Full membership has its' perks. ;-)

(07-23-2021 08:19 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 08:14 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 07:06 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:28 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 10:27 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  ^^^ THIS ^^^

Might be the best comment anyone has ever posted on this site!

Reputation cheapskate.

My bad - just gave you 6 (you'll have to earn the extra point or go for 2)

I can only give a max of 2? How do you get it bumped up to three?

Sorry only full ACC members can give 3 points.

Full membership has its' perks. ;-)

(07-23-2021 08:19 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 08:14 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 07:06 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:28 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 10:27 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  ^^^ THIS ^^^

Might be the best comment anyone has ever posted on this site!

Reputation cheapskate.

My bad - just gave you 6 (you'll have to earn the extra point or go for 2)

I can only give a max of 2? How do you get it bumped up to three?

Sorry only full ACC members can give 3 points.

Full membership has its' perks. ;-)

Add ND and Navy (football only)

(07-23-2021 09:03 PM)swardy76 Wrote:  Add ND and Navy (football only)

If you are going to do that...then add Villanova or Georgetown for Basketball

(07-23-2021 08:14 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 07:06 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:28 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 10:27 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 10:00 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  The basketball first schools in the ACC should be terrified of other people doing exactly that. The SEC or the B1G could just reach down and double the conference payments to FSU, Clemson, GT, VT, Miami, and NC State and that's a wrap on ACC football at the P level. All the Jordans and all the Zions on Earth can't overcome football being more than 80% of the revenue now. If the ACC were going to do something to stop this runaway train it should have happened some time ago, starting with yanking March Madness away from the NCAA so that basketball doesn't fund the entirety of the NCAA any more. By letting the NCAA consume a huge chunk of the basketball money the ACC allowed this trajectory to happen. In 1984 when the NCAA lost all the football money that should have been a four alarm fire in Durham and Chapel Hill to do the same with March Madness.

^^^ THIS ^^^

Might be the best comment anyone has ever posted on this site!

Reputation cheapskate.

My bad - just gave you 6 (you'll have to earn the extra point or go for 2)

I can only give a max of 2? How do you get it bumped up to three?

I believe once you get up to 5000 posts.

(07-23-2021 09:05 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:03 PM)swardy76 Wrote:  Add ND and Navy (football only)

If you are going to do that...then add Villanova or Georgetown for Basketball

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Did you learn anything from the Big East? No more divided loyalties.

If we could get UT, OK, and ND to join, we should shoot for the stars and try to lure Penn State, Rutgers, and Maryland also. That could push the B1G out of the east and give us uncontested control from Massachusetts through North Carolina. South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida would still be shared with the SEC. If we are going to dream, we might as well dream big.

(07-23-2021 06:34 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:22 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 04:24 PM)esayem Wrote:  If the ACC expanded then wouldn't the GOR become void? If that's the case, why would the majority of the conference want that? You think Wake Forest and Boston College want to open the door for Clemson and FSU to leave?

PLUS, THERE ARE NO SCHOOLS LEFT THAT WILL MAKE THE ACC MONEY

I have never understood this statement.

Please explain to me what that money machine Pitt brought to the table that UC didn't. I'd like to know.

Shouldn't you be on the Big XII board?

At the time, Pitt was a no-brainer over Cincinnati. I suppose it's the ACC's fault that schools join and immediately can't compete.

Wow. Where was I in 2012 ???

I notice you failed to back that statement up with any, oh I don't know, FACTS of anything.

I guess it was Pitt's BE football championships? Huge TV market? Rabid fan base?

Just exactly what metric were you referring to?

(07-23-2021 09:48 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  If we could get UT, OK, and ND to join, we should shoot for the stars and try to lure Penn State, Rutgers, and Maryland also. That could push the B1G out of the east and give us uncontested control from Massachusetts through North Carolina. South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida would still be shared with the SEC. If we are going to dream, we might as well dream big.

I’ll pass on Maryland.

Now Penn State SHOULD be in the ACC, it makes sense geographically and culturally but unfortunately that ship sailed 20-30 years ago.

(07-23-2021 09:03 PM)swardy76 Wrote:  Add ND and Navy (football only)

Navy full member and Notre Dame is the clear #1 choice IMO. #2 would be Navy and WVU/Cincy/TCU/Baylor, but that is a very very very far #2.

(07-23-2021 09:49 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:34 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:22 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 04:24 PM)esayem Wrote:  If the ACC expanded then wouldn't the GOR become void? If that's the case, why would the majority of the conference want that? You think Wake Forest and Boston College want to open the door for Clemson and FSU to leave?

PLUS, THERE ARE NO SCHOOLS LEFT THAT WILL MAKE THE ACC MONEY

I have never understood this statement.

Please explain to me what that money machine Pitt brought to the table that UC didn't. I'd like to know.

Shouldn't you be on the Big XII board?

At the time, Pitt was a no-brainer over Cincinnati. I suppose it's the ACC's fault that schools join and immediately can't compete.

Wow. Where was I in 2012 ???

I notice you failed to back that statement up with any, oh I don't know, FACTS of anything.

I guess it was Pitt's BE football championships? Huge TV market? Rabid fan base?

Just exactly what metric were you referring to?

Pitt has more national championships all-time than any other ACC team. Yeah, most were a long time ago, but it still matters to the folks in charge.