(07-23-2021 10:00 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:53 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Go big.

The basketball first schools in the ACC should be terrified of other people doing exactly that. The SEC or the B1G could just reach down and double the conference payments to FSU, Clemson, GT, VT, Miami, and NC State and that's a wrap on ACC football at the P level. All the Jordans and all the Zions on Earth can't overcome football being more than 80% of the revenue now. If the ACC were going to do something to stop this runaway train it should have happened some time ago, starting with yanking March Madness away from the NCAA so that basketball doesn't fund the entirety of the NCAA any more. By letting the NCAA consume a huge chunk of the basketball money the ACC allowed this trajectory to happen. In 1984 when the NCAA lost all the football money that should have been a four alarm fire in Durham and Chapel Hill to do the same with March Madness.

The NCAA is going away. March Madness is not. Who will control the tourney without the NCAA? I think its 770 million a year right now. Football is 80% of revenue, but there is large money in other sports as well.

Not sure if expansion would void the GOR, probably is, I'm not privy to that. But, it is possible to do two things at once. Like, vote to expand and re-up the GOR concurrently. If there's a "No" vote, then we don't expand. The key would be to get ND on board, which isn't likely until forced.

(07-22-2021 02:46 PM)7thHeaven Wrote:  TV money and more football. I think if there are no schools that drastically change our payout we either stay put or go Big, unless ND decides to go all in but I don’t see that happening. The only way I see the ACC adding leftover Big 12 schools is if we take 4 or more unless ESPN wants to pay us big for WV and Kansas. The Texas market is booming and the ACC network would love to add the Texas Market.

The ACC would have to go to 20 to try to make an input into Texas.

Four pods of 5

Schools to consider: Notre Dame, WV, Cincy, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, Houston, Memphis, Okie St, Kansas, Army, Navy, UCF and USF.

(07-23-2021 10:53 AM)samandrea Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 10:00 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:53 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Go big.

The basketball first schools in the ACC should be terrified of other people doing exactly that. The SEC or the B1G could just reach down and double the conference payments to FSU, Clemson, GT, VT, Miami, and NC State and that's a wrap on ACC football at the P level. All the Jordans and all the Zions on Earth can't overcome football being more than 80% of the revenue now. If the ACC were going to do something to stop this runaway train it should have happened some time ago, starting with yanking March Madness away from the NCAA so that basketball doesn't fund the entirety of the NCAA any more. By letting the NCAA consume a huge chunk of the basketball money the ACC allowed this trajectory to happen. In 1984 when the NCAA lost all the football money that should have been a four alarm fire in Durham and Chapel Hill to do the same with March Madness.

The NCAA is going away. March Madness is not. Who will control the tourney without the NCAA? I think its 770 million a year right now. Football is 80% of revenue, but there is large money in other sports as well.

What the FB guys don't realize, March Madness makes a sh!tton of money and supports everything not football.

(07-22-2021 04:43 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 04:24 PM)esayem Wrote:  PLUS, THERE ARE NO SCHOOLS LEFT THAT WILL MAKE THE ACC MONEY

Net positive money moves for the ACC:
- Add ND as a full member
- Add another higher end program from a P5 (unlikely)
- Drop Wake Forest football
- Drop Duke football
- Drop Boston College football
- Add UCF football

The scary thing about the three drops ... is that Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Virginia aren't much higher than BC in football evaluation. To put it in perspective for you ... the WSJ evaluates the value of UCF football as already straight up higher than Duke football.

Yeah but Cuse has a Top 10 Brand in Hoops and #1 in attendance. The school makes a profit off sports, not too many can say that.

(07-23-2021 10:00 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:53 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Go big.

The basketball first schools in the ACC should be terrified of other people doing exactly that. The SEC or the B1G could just reach down and double the conference payments to FSU, Clemson, GT, VT, Miami, and NC State and that's a wrap on ACC football at the P level. All the Jordans and all the Zions on Earth can't overcome football being more than 80% of the revenue now. If the ACC were going to do something to stop this runaway train it should have happened some time ago, starting with yanking March Madness away from the NCAA so that basketball doesn't fund the entirety of the NCAA any more. By letting the NCAA consume a huge chunk of the basketball money the ACC allowed this trajectory to happen. In 1984 when the NCAA lost all the football money that should have been a four alarm fire in Durham and Chapel Hill to do the same with March Madness.

agreed......but, it's already happened really.

The only real difference you noted is SOME ACC schools MIGHT get saved...maybe. Basically, the ACC is dead. Now it's just a matter of waiting to see if the P2 (SEC and B1G) save other schools: UNC? Clemson? Miami? FSU?

Or they go with Kansas, Pac 12? Or they stand pat. They don't need to add.



Basically, the Big 12, Pac 12, and ACC sat around for about 2 decades watchin the SEC and B1G lap them and think "we are stable".....no....YOU NEVER WERE. That mindset killed you all.


It's over. I expect 0-10 teams to be saved, but not much more. Big time sports is going from a P5 to a P2 that adds just a small handful of schools. Some BIG name schools are about to die athletically.


ACC made EVERY wrong move it could. It's cherry on top this weak was naming awards for John Swofford (for football no less....what an idiotic conference) while the SEC drove a knife in the ACC's back.

Once the football playoff can no longer be expanded ...
Once the TV/Streaming contracts plateau ...

... the powers that be will see how much they have to pay the kids playing hoops, and they will turn their attention to March Madness revenues .... and they will wrest control of March Madness from the NCAA.

When that happens, the hoops programs will suddenly be more valuable, and the ACC will start to earn more with their hoops power houses.

(07-23-2021 01:17 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  Once the football playoff can no longer be expanded ...
Once the TV/Streaming contracts plateau ...

... the powers that be will see how much they have to pay the kids playing hoops, and they will turn their attention to March Madness revenues .... and they will wrest control of March Madness from the NCAA.

When that happens, the hoops programs will suddenly be more valuable, and the ACC will start to earn more with their hoops power houses.

lol

Once that happens, the B1G and SEC along with their networks will have used hundreds of millions of dollars to buy themselves MUCH better basketball programs and basically squashed the ACC bball schools .....much like the old Big East basketball programs.


The ACC's #1 issue is they are just living in another world....living in the past. Asleep at the wheel for 15 years plus misreading EVERYTHING and thnking Swofford was a Ninja.


He was the Tommy Boy of Ninja's. A joke and he killed the ACC

(07-23-2021 01:22 PM)nole Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 01:17 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  Once the football playoff can no longer be expanded ...
Once the TV/Streaming contracts plateau ...

... the powers that be will see how much they have to pay the kids playing hoops, and they will turn their attention to March Madness revenues .... and they will wrest control of March Madness from the NCAA.

When that happens, the hoops programs will suddenly be more valuable, and the ACC will start to earn more with their hoops power houses.

lol

Once that happens, the B1G and SEC along with their networks will have used hundreds of millions of dollars to buy themselves MUCH better basketball programs and basically squashed the ACC bball schools .....much like the old Big East basketball programs.


The ACC's #1 issue is they are just living in another world....living in the past. Asleep at the wheel for 15 years plus misreading EVERYTHING and thnking Swofford was a Ninja.


He was the Tommy Boy of Ninja's. A joke and he killed the ACC

I don't think you'll find the SEC spending hundreds of millions of dollars on BASKETBALL ... ever.

They will spend most of their money on football. It's how they are wired.

(07-23-2021 01:40 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 01:22 PM)nole Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 01:17 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  Once the football playoff can no longer be expanded ...
Once the TV/Streaming contracts plateau ...

... the powers that be will see how much they have to pay the kids playing hoops, and they will turn their attention to March Madness revenues .... and they will wrest control of March Madness from the NCAA.

When that happens, the hoops programs will suddenly be more valuable, and the ACC will start to earn more with their hoops power houses.

lol

Once that happens, the B1G and SEC along with their networks will have used hundreds of millions of dollars to buy themselves MUCH better basketball programs and basically squashed the ACC bball schools .....much like the old Big East basketball programs.


The ACC's #1 issue is they are just living in another world....living in the past. Asleep at the wheel for 15 years plus misreading EVERYTHING and thnking Swofford was a Ninja.


He was the Tommy Boy of Ninja's. A joke and he killed the ACC

I don't think you'll find the SEC spending hundreds of millions of dollars on BASKETBALL ... ever.

They will spend most of their money on football. It's how they are wired.

The money differences are so huge, they will be able to outspend in BOTH sports....and olympic sports.

(07-23-2021 01:40 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 01:22 PM)nole Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 01:17 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  Once the football playoff can no longer be expanded ...
Once the TV/Streaming contracts plateau ...

... the powers that be will see how much they have to pay the kids playing hoops, and they will turn their attention to March Madness revenues .... and they will wrest control of March Madness from the NCAA.

When that happens, the hoops programs will suddenly be more valuable, and the ACC will start to earn more with their hoops power houses.

lol

Once that happens, the B1G and SEC along with their networks will have used hundreds of millions of dollars to buy themselves MUCH better basketball programs and basically squashed the ACC bball schools .....much like the old Big East basketball programs.


The ACC's #1 issue is they are just living in another world....living in the past. Asleep at the wheel for 15 years plus misreading EVERYTHING and thnking Swofford was a Ninja.


He was the Tommy Boy of Ninja's. A joke and he killed the ACC

I don't think you'll find the SEC spending hundreds of millions of dollars on BASKETBALL ... ever.

They will spend most of their money on football. It's how they are wired.

We are already seeing it happen. Look at the strides made by Alabama men's basketball! Add to that LSU and Mississippi State, and they've always had Florida, and Kentucky will be back... all paid for with football money.

Basketball money - if it ever comes - will come too late to do any good.

No evidence that more money makes programs any better. Or have you not watched Clemson the last decade?

There is plenty of money going around and NIL actually makes the playing field more even.

(07-23-2021 01:56 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 01:40 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 01:22 PM)nole Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 01:17 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  Once the football playoff can no longer be expanded ...
Once the TV/Streaming contracts plateau ...

... the powers that be will see how much they have to pay the kids playing hoops, and they will turn their attention to March Madness revenues .... and they will wrest control of March Madness from the NCAA.

When that happens, the hoops programs will suddenly be more valuable, and the ACC will start to earn more with their hoops power houses.

lol

Once that happens, the B1G and SEC along with their networks will have used hundreds of millions of dollars to buy themselves MUCH better basketball programs and basically squashed the ACC bball schools .....much like the old Big East basketball programs.


The ACC's #1 issue is they are just living in another world....living in the past. Asleep at the wheel for 15 years plus misreading EVERYTHING and thnking Swofford was a Ninja.


He was the Tommy Boy of Ninja's. A joke and he killed the ACC

I don't think you'll find the SEC spending hundreds of millions of dollars on BASKETBALL ... ever.

They will spend most of their money on football. It's how they are wired.

We are already seeing it happen. Look at the strides made by Alabama men's basketball! Add to that LSU and Mississippi State, and they've always had Florida, and Kentucky will be back... all paid for with football money.

Basketball money - if it ever comes - will come too late to do any good.

Alabama hired a great coach. There are only so many great coaches. They won't all be in the SEC.

But keep believing THE SKY IS FALLING

(07-23-2021 01:59 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 01:56 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 01:40 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 01:22 PM)nole Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 01:17 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  Once the football playoff can no longer be expanded ...
Once the TV/Streaming contracts plateau ...

... the powers that be will see how much they have to pay the kids playing hoops, and they will turn their attention to March Madness revenues .... and they will wrest control of March Madness from the NCAA.

When that happens, the hoops programs will suddenly be more valuable, and the ACC will start to earn more with their hoops power houses.

lol

Once that happens, the B1G and SEC along with their networks will have used hundreds of millions of dollars to buy themselves MUCH better basketball programs and basically squashed the ACC bball schools .....much like the old Big East basketball programs.


The ACC's #1 issue is they are just living in another world....living in the past. Asleep at the wheel for 15 years plus misreading EVERYTHING and thnking Swofford was a Ninja.


He was the Tommy Boy of Ninja's. A joke and he killed the ACC

I don't think you'll find the SEC spending hundreds of millions of dollars on BASKETBALL ... ever.

They will spend most of their money on football. It's how they are wired.

We are already seeing it happen. Look at the strides made by Alabama men's basketball! Add to that LSU and Mississippi State, and they've always had Florida, and Kentucky will be back... all paid for with football money.

Basketball money - if it ever comes - will come too late to do any good.

Alabama hired a great coach. There are only so many great coaches. They won't all be in the SEC.

But keep believing THE SKY IS FALLING

I never said the sky was falling. If anything, I'm an ACC optimist. That said, denial ain't just a river in Egypt...

(07-23-2021 01:57 PM)esayem Wrote:  No evidence that more money makes programs any better. Or have you not watched Clemson the last decade?

There is plenty of money going around and NIL actually makes the playing field more even.

Money never matters with the ACC unless someone suggests a team outside Notre Dame should be able to 'eat what they kill'.....THEN money is very important and we can never divide it differently (unless you are ND).

That last logic train of thought is how you know the ACC is full of @#$#@ when it comes to money.

(07-23-2021 01:22 PM)nole Wrote:  The ACC's #1 issue is they are just living in another world....living in the past. Asleep at the wheel for 15 years plus misreading EVERYTHING and thnking Swofford was a Ninja.


He was the Tommy Boy of Ninja's. A joke and he killed the ACC

Well, I for one am glad that Ninja Swoff convinced your people to sign the GOR.

(07-22-2021 04:24 PM)esayem Wrote:  If the ACC expanded then wouldn't the GOR become void? If that's the case, why would the majority of the conference want that? You think Wake Forest and Boston College want to open the door for Clemson and FSU to leave?

PLUS, THERE ARE NO SCHOOLS LEFT THAT WILL MAKE THE ACC MONEY

I have never understood this statement.

Please explain to me what that money machine Pitt brought to the table that UC didn't. I'd like to know.

(07-23-2021 06:22 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 04:24 PM)esayem Wrote:  If the ACC expanded then wouldn't the GOR become void? If that's the case, why would the majority of the conference want that? You think Wake Forest and Boston College want to open the door for Clemson and FSU to leave?

PLUS, THERE ARE NO SCHOOLS LEFT THAT WILL MAKE THE ACC MONEY

I have never understood this statement.

Please explain to me what that money machine Pitt brought to the table that UC didn't. I'd like to know.

Each new addition must be MORE valuable than the one before it if conference payouts are to continue increasing.

Pitt and Syracuse benefitted from a special, one-time scenario: the ACC could renegotiate at a higher per game rate (although even then, ESPN only paid for NEW games - those under contract remained as-is).

(07-23-2021 10:27 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 10:00 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:53 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Go big.

The basketball first schools in the ACC should be terrified of other people doing exactly that. The SEC or the B1G could just reach down and double the conference payments to FSU, Clemson, GT, VT, Miami, and NC State and that's a wrap on ACC football at the P level. All the Jordans and all the Zions on Earth can't overcome football being more than 80% of the revenue now. If the ACC were going to do something to stop this runaway train it should have happened some time ago, starting with yanking March Madness away from the NCAA so that basketball doesn't fund the entirety of the NCAA any more. By letting the NCAA consume a huge chunk of the basketball money the ACC allowed this trajectory to happen. In 1984 when the NCAA lost all the football money that should have been a four alarm fire in Durham and Chapel Hill to do the same with March Madness.

^^^ THIS ^^^

Might be the best comment anyone has ever posted on this site!

Reputation cheapskate.

(07-23-2021 06:22 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 04:24 PM)esayem Wrote:  If the ACC expanded then wouldn't the GOR become void? If that's the case, why would the majority of the conference want that? You think Wake Forest and Boston College want to open the door for Clemson and FSU to leave?

PLUS, THERE ARE NO SCHOOLS LEFT THAT WILL MAKE THE ACC MONEY

I have never understood this statement.

Please explain to me what that money machine Pitt brought to the table that UC didn't. I'd like to know.

Shouldn't you be on the Big XII board?

At the time, Pitt was a no-brainer over Cincinnati. I suppose it's the ACC's fault that schools join and immediately can't compete.