(07-23-2021 06:58 PM)nole Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 04:05 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 01:22 PM)nole Wrote:  The ACC's #1 issue is they are just living in another world....living in the past. Asleep at the wheel for 15 years plus misreading EVERYTHING and thnking Swofford was a Ninja.


He was the Tommy Boy of Ninja's. A joke and he killed the ACC

Well, I for one am glad that Ninja Swoff convinced your people to sign the GOR.

He did....kind of one fool fooling another, but he definitely got the best of FSU's god awful, horrible leadership. That stated, FSU has been run by absolute morons for about 15 years now. (athletically)

And I think FSU would sign another extension as FSU won’t have any other alternatives.

While UT and OU to the SEC is not the best outcome for the ACC, it’s not the worst outcome either IMO. If OU and UT had gone to the BIG or Pac-12, the SEC’s next target would most likely be FSU. With 16 teams and greatly increased payout, the SEC will not consider adding FSU. And FSU to the Big 12 is out of the question now.

In other words, it looks like FSU is permanently stuck in the ACC.

(07-23-2021 09:49 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:34 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:22 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 04:24 PM)esayem Wrote:  If the ACC expanded then wouldn't the GOR become void? If that's the case, why would the majority of the conference want that? You think Wake Forest and Boston College want to open the door for Clemson and FSU to leave?

PLUS, THERE ARE NO SCHOOLS LEFT THAT WILL MAKE THE ACC MONEY

I have never understood this statement.

Please explain to me what that money machine Pitt brought to the table that UC didn't. I'd like to know.

Shouldn't you be on the Big XII board?

At the time, Pitt was a no-brainer over Cincinnati. I suppose it's the ACC's fault that schools join and immediately can't compete.

Wow. Where was I in 2012 ???

I notice you failed to back that statement up with any, oh I don't know, FACTS of anything.

I guess it was Pitt's BE football championships? Huge TV market? Rabid fan base?

Just exactly what metric were you referring to?

As much as I like Cincinnati.... with respect to Pitt and Cuse joining in 2012, ESPN told us who to add so that we could get network and get the most added to our contract payouts. I assume that's because Pitt and Cuse had better ratings and bigger state populations for the ACCN.

(07-23-2021 10:47 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:58 PM)nole Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 04:05 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 01:22 PM)nole Wrote:  The ACC's #1 issue is they are just living in another world....living in the past. Asleep at the wheel for 15 years plus misreading EVERYTHING and thnking Swofford was a Ninja.


He was the Tommy Boy of Ninja's. A joke and he killed the ACC

Well, I for one am glad that Ninja Swoff convinced your people to sign the GOR.

He did....kind of one fool fooling another, but he definitely got the best of FSU's god awful, horrible leadership. That stated, FSU has been run by absolute morons for about 15 years now. (athletically)

And I think FSU would sign another extension as FSU won’t have any other alternatives.

While UT and OU to the SEC is not the best outcome for the ACC, it’s not the worst outcome either IMO. If OU and UT had gone to the BIG or Pac-12, the SEC’s next target would most likely be FSU. With 16 teams and greatly increased payout, the SEC will not consider adding FSU. And FSU to the Big 12 is out of the question now.

In other words, it looks like FSU is permanently stuck in the ACC.

That's true. The only thing we'd have to worry about is if the SEC and B1G go to 20 or more, or that the B1G takes UVA and UNC when the GoR runs out but then we still have other teams in those states.

(07-23-2021 11:59 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:49 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:34 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:22 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 04:24 PM)esayem Wrote:  If the ACC expanded then wouldn't the GOR become void? If that's the case, why would the majority of the conference want that? You think Wake Forest and Boston College want to open the door for Clemson and FSU to leave?

PLUS, THERE ARE NO SCHOOLS LEFT THAT WILL MAKE THE ACC MONEY

I have never understood this statement.

Please explain to me what that money machine Pitt brought to the table that UC didn't. I'd like to know.

Shouldn't you be on the Big XII board?

At the time, Pitt was a no-brainer over Cincinnati. I suppose it's the ACC's fault that schools join and immediately can't compete.

Wow. Where was I in 2012 ???

I notice you failed to back that statement up with any, oh I don't know, FACTS of anything.

I guess it was Pitt's BE football championships? Huge TV market? Rabid fan base?

Just exactly what metric were you referring to?

As much as I like Cincinnati.... with respect to Pitt and Cuse joining in 2012, ESPN told us who to add so that we could get network and get the most added to our contract payouts. I assume that's because Pitt and Cuse had better ratings and bigger state populations for the ACCN.

Thank you for stepping up and admitting that, because it's true.

And the answer to that is that Pitt's prez was the head of the TV negotiations who ESPN got to convince the rest of the league to reject their offer... so they could destroy the league.

(07-23-2021 10:47 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:58 PM)nole Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 04:05 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 01:22 PM)nole Wrote:  The ACC's #1 issue is they are just living in another world....living in the past. Asleep at the wheel for 15 years plus misreading EVERYTHING and thnking Swofford was a Ninja.


He was the Tommy Boy of Ninja's. A joke and he killed the ACC

Well, I for one am glad that Ninja Swoff convinced your people to sign the GOR.

He did....kind of one fool fooling another, but he definitely got the best of FSU's god awful, horrible leadership. That stated, FSU has been run by absolute morons for about 15 years now. (athletically)

And I think FSU would sign another extension as FSU won’t have any other alternatives.

While UT and OU to the SEC is not the best outcome for the ACC, it’s not the worst outcome either IMO. If OU and UT had gone to the BIG or Pac-12, the SEC’s next target would most likely be FSU. With 16 teams and greatly increased payout, the SEC will not consider adding FSU. And FSU to the Big 12 is out of the question now.

In other words, it looks like FSU is permanently stuck in the ACC.

Doens't matter what FSU does or doesn't do. The ACC is a dead conference.

(07-24-2021 08:39 AM)nole Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 10:47 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:58 PM)nole Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 04:05 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 01:22 PM)nole Wrote:  The ACC's #1 issue is they are just living in another world....living in the past. Asleep at the wheel for 15 years plus misreading EVERYTHING and thnking Swofford was a Ninja.


He was the Tommy Boy of Ninja's. A joke and he killed the ACC

Well, I for one am glad that Ninja Swoff convinced your people to sign the GOR.

He did....kind of one fool fooling another, but he definitely got the best of FSU's god awful, horrible leadership. That stated, FSU has been run by absolute morons for about 15 years now. (athletically)

And I think FSU would sign another extension as FSU won’t have any other alternatives.

While UT and OU to the SEC is not the best outcome for the ACC, it’s not the worst outcome either IMO. If OU and UT had gone to the BIG or Pac-12, the SEC’s next target would most likely be FSU. With 16 teams and greatly increased payout, the SEC will not consider adding FSU. And FSU to the Big 12 is out of the question now.

In other words, it looks like FSU is permanently stuck in the ACC.

Doens't matter what FSU does or doesn't do. The ACC is a dead conference.

"We're not dead yet!"

Monty Python

(07-23-2021 09:49 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:34 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:22 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 04:24 PM)esayem Wrote:  If the ACC expanded then wouldn't the GOR become void? If that's the case, why would the majority of the conference want that? You think Wake Forest and Boston College want to open the door for Clemson and FSU to leave?

PLUS, THERE ARE NO SCHOOLS LEFT THAT WILL MAKE THE ACC MONEY

I have never understood this statement.

Please explain to me what that money machine Pitt brought to the table that UC didn't. I'd like to know.

Shouldn't you be on the Big XII board?

At the time, Pitt was a no-brainer over Cincinnati. I suppose it's the ACC's fault that schools join and immediately can't compete.

Wow. Where was I in 2012 ???

I notice you failed to back that statement up with any, oh I don't know, FACTS of anything.

I guess it was Pitt's BE football championships? Huge TV market? Rabid fan base?

Just exactly what metric were you referring to?

That Pitt was an established eastern brand which had programs like Notre Dame coming to their football stadium every other season while Cincinnati was middle of the road Midwestern football program with a suspect men’s hoops program. Maybe that for starters?

Cincinnati wasn’t even on the radar, bub.

(07-24-2021 09:49 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:49 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:34 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:22 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 04:24 PM)esayem Wrote:  If the ACC expanded then wouldn't the GOR become void? If that's the case, why would the majority of the conference want that? You think Wake Forest and Boston College want to open the door for Clemson and FSU to leave?

PLUS, THERE ARE NO SCHOOLS LEFT THAT WILL MAKE THE ACC MONEY

I have never understood this statement.

Please explain to me what that money machine Pitt brought to the table that UC didn't. I'd like to know.

Shouldn't you be on the Big XII board?

At the time, Pitt was a no-brainer over Cincinnati. I suppose it's the ACC's fault that schools join and immediately can't compete.

Wow. Where was I in 2012 ???

I notice you failed to back that statement up with any, oh I don't know, FACTS of anything.

I guess it was Pitt's BE football championships? Huge TV market? Rabid fan base?

Just exactly what metric were you referring to?

That Pitt was an established eastern brand which had programs like Notre Dame coming to their football stadium every other season while Cincinnati was middle of the road Midwestern football program with a suspect men’s hoops program. Maybe that for starters?

Cincinnati wasn’t even on the radar, bub.

Pitt played Notre Dame.

That IS impressive.

(07-24-2021 11:15 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 09:49 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:49 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:34 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:22 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  I have never understood this statement.

Please explain to me what that money machine Pitt brought to the table that UC didn't. I'd like to know.

Shouldn't you be on the Big XII board?

At the time, Pitt was a no-brainer over Cincinnati. I suppose it's the ACC's fault that schools join and immediately can't compete.

Wow. Where was I in 2012 ???

I notice you failed to back that statement up with any, oh I don't know, FACTS of anything.

I guess it was Pitt's BE football championships? Huge TV market? Rabid fan base?

Just exactly what metric were you referring to?

That Pitt was an established eastern brand which had programs like Notre Dame coming to their football stadium every other season while Cincinnati was middle of the road Midwestern football program with a suspect men’s hoops program. Maybe that for starters?

Cincinnati wasn’t even on the radar, bub.

Pitt played Notre Dame.

That IS impressive.

(07-24-2021 12:05 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 10:47 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:58 PM)nole Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 04:05 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 01:22 PM)nole Wrote:  The ACC's #1 issue is they are just living in another world....living in the past. Asleep at the wheel for 15 years plus misreading EVERYTHING and thnking Swofford was a Ninja.


He was the Tommy Boy of Ninja's. A joke and he killed the ACC

Well, I for one am glad that Ninja Swoff convinced your people to sign the GOR.

He did....kind of one fool fooling another, but he definitely got the best of FSU's god awful, horrible leadership. That stated, FSU has been run by absolute morons for about 15 years now. (athletically)

And I think FSU would sign another extension as FSU won’t have any other alternatives.

While UT and OU to the SEC is not the best outcome for the ACC, it’s not the worst outcome either IMO. If OU and UT had gone to the BIG or Pac-12, the SEC’s next target would most likely be FSU. With 16 teams and greatly increased payout, the SEC will not consider adding FSU. And FSU to the Big 12 is out of the question now.

In other words, it looks like FSU is permanently stuck in the ACC.

That's true. The only thing we'd have to worry about is if the SEC and B1G go to 20 or more, or that the B1G takes UVA and UNC when the GoR runs out but then we still have other teams in those states.

ITT a GoR, poorly executed, which had nepotism issues, which now serves as an atlas stone the league must shoulder, is panned as a great thing because it traps current membership.

That sounds like a really positive spin for "everybody is leaving in a decade".

(07-23-2021 09:49 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:34 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:22 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 04:24 PM)esayem Wrote:  If the ACC expanded then wouldn't the GOR become void? If that's the case, why would the majority of the conference want that? You think Wake Forest and Boston College want to open the door for Clemson and FSU to leave?

PLUS, THERE ARE NO SCHOOLS LEFT THAT WILL MAKE THE ACC MONEY

I have never understood this statement.

Please explain to me what that money machine Pitt brought to the table that UC didn't. I'd like to know.

Shouldn't you be on the Big XII board?

At the time, Pitt was a no-brainer over Cincinnati. I suppose it's the ACC's fault that schools join and immediately can't compete.

Wow. Where was I in 2012 ???

I notice you failed to back that statement up with any, oh I don't know, FACTS of anything.

I guess it was Pitt's BE football championships? Huge TV market? Rabid fan base?

Just exactly what metric were you referring to?

You wont gain much support from ACC fans here by running down an actual ACC team. Why dont you instead tell us the reasons that Cincy should be an ACC target.

(07-24-2021 12:05 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 12:05 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 10:47 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:58 PM)nole Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 04:05 PM)esayem Wrote:  Well, I for one am glad that Ninja Swoff convinced your people to sign the GOR.

He did....kind of one fool fooling another, but he definitely got the best of FSU's god awful, horrible leadership. That stated, FSU has been run by absolute morons for about 15 years now. (athletically)

And I think FSU would sign another extension as FSU won’t have any other alternatives.

While UT and OU to the SEC is not the best outcome for the ACC, it’s not the worst outcome either IMO. If OU and UT had gone to the BIG or Pac-12, the SEC’s next target would most likely be FSU. With 16 teams and greatly increased payout, the SEC will not consider adding FSU. And FSU to the Big 12 is out of the question now.

In other words, it looks like FSU is permanently stuck in the ACC.

That's true. The only thing we'd have to worry about is if the SEC and B1G go to 20 or more, or that the B1G takes UVA and UNC when the GoR runs out but then we still have other teams in those states.

ITT a GoR, poorly executed, which had nepotism issues, which now serves as an atlas stone the league must shoulder, is panned as a great thing because it traps current membership.

That sounds like a really positive spin for "everybody is leaving in a decade".

No, it’s twelve or so years to navigate the landscape for some dadgummed stability.

Shout out to Roy Williams!

I have been thinking about things and if you take a long term view, i actually think Kansas is a no brainer for the ACC to take. There are a few reasons why I think this:
1. Kansas is a blue blood basketball program. How often do blue blood basketball programs become available? The game has changed and the rules are different from the past. Cable cutting has made the old model of TV markets less and less important. The important thing to think about is where is the puck going (as hockey players like to say). We are moving to an internet streaming model and away from cable TV although Cable will still be there. The internet streaming model is based on IP networks so anybody around the world will be able to see sports. Have any of you seen the value on the stock market of companies like Netflix, Amazon, Apple, Disney, Comcast (NBC), Paramount+ (CBS), Youtube TV (Google), Warner Brothers Discovery? They are huge companies and some of them are valued in the trillions of $$. These companies are searching for content and need content. I think Basketball may be the 2nd most popular sport in the world so I think if the ACC got a team like Kansas, it would build the ACC network brand more and entice one of the streaming networks. Plenty of people around the world would probably like to see the feeder league to the NBA and other leagues around the world. This would help the streaming companies to drive subscribers around the world. In the short term the ACC might take a hit in revenue by bringing in Kansas but in the long term the ACC will have the best college basketball league in the US and once the streaming becomes more common place, there will be value there for the large streaming companies to sell ACC basketball to the rest of the world.

(07-24-2021 12:13 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:49 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:34 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:22 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 04:24 PM)esayem Wrote:  If the ACC expanded then wouldn't the GOR become void? If that's the case, why would the majority of the conference want that? You think Wake Forest and Boston College want to open the door for Clemson and FSU to leave?

PLUS, THERE ARE NO SCHOOLS LEFT THAT WILL MAKE THE ACC MONEY

I have never understood this statement.

Please explain to me what that money machine Pitt brought to the table that UC didn't. I'd like to know.

Shouldn't you be on the Big XII board?

At the time, Pitt was a no-brainer over Cincinnati. I suppose it's the ACC's fault that schools join and immediately can't compete.

Wow. Where was I in 2012 ???

I notice you failed to back that statement up with any, oh I don't know, FACTS of anything.

I guess it was Pitt's BE football championships? Huge TV market? Rabid fan base?

Just exactly what metric were you referring to?

You wont gain much support from ACC fans here by running down an actual ACC team. Why dont you instead tell us the reasons that Cincy should be an ACC target.

[ahem]

1) Plant your flag right in the middle of B1G country. Weaken Ohio St.
2) Play games in one of the best recruiting areas in the country.
3) Louisville's natural rival.
4) Large TV market. (Don't tell me that doesn't matter anymore)
5) A football upgrade.
6) Basketball brand on par.
7) Academics on par.
8) Facilities on par.

... that enough?

(07-24-2021 03:11 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 12:13 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:49 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:34 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:22 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  I have never understood this statement.

Please explain to me what that money machine Pitt brought to the table that UC didn't. I'd like to know.

Shouldn't you be on the Big XII board?

At the time, Pitt was a no-brainer over Cincinnati. I suppose it's the ACC's fault that schools join and immediately can't compete.

Wow. Where was I in 2012 ???

I notice you failed to back that statement up with any, oh I don't know, FACTS of anything.

I guess it was Pitt's BE football championships? Huge TV market? Rabid fan base?

Just exactly what metric were you referring to?

You wont gain much support from ACC fans here by running down an actual ACC team. Why dont you instead tell us the reasons that Cincy should be an ACC target.

[ahem]

1) Plant your flag right in the middle of B1G country. Weaken Ohio St.
2) Play games in one of the best recruiting areas in the country.
3) Louisville's natural rival.
4) Large TV market. (Don't tell me that doesn't matter anymore)
5) A football upgrade.
6) Basketball brand on par.
7) Academics on par.
8) Facilities on par.

... that enough?

Hi, I'm earth. Have we met?

(07-24-2021 03:11 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 12:13 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:49 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:34 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:22 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  I have never understood this statement.

Please explain to me what that money machine Pitt brought to the table that UC didn't. I'd like to know.

Shouldn't you be on the Big XII board?

At the time, Pitt was a no-brainer over Cincinnati. I suppose it's the ACC's fault that schools join and immediately can't compete.


Cincinnati is a possibility. The basketball is not as good as Kansas but the football is much better than Kansas. There will be a short term hit to ACC revenues with either Kansas or Cincinnati or UConn for that matter but with internet streaming coming, i think building the best basketball league in the NCAA is the way to go as basketball is the number 2 sport in the world.

Wow. Where was I in 2012 ???

I notice you failed to back that statement up with any, oh I don't know, FACTS of anything.

I guess it was Pitt's BE football championships? Huge TV market? Rabid fan base?

Just exactly what metric were you referring to?

You wont gain much support from ACC fans here by running down an actual ACC team. Why dont you instead tell us the reasons that Cincy should be an ACC target.

[ahem]

1) Plant your flag right in the middle of B1G country. Weaken Ohio St.
2) Play games in one of the best recruiting areas in the country.
3) Louisville's natural rival.
4) Large TV market. (Don't tell me that doesn't matter anymore)
5) A football upgrade.
6) Basketball brand on par.
7) Academics on par.
8) Facilities on par.

... that enough?

(07-24-2021 03:16 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 03:11 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 12:13 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:49 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:34 PM)esayem Wrote:  Shouldn't you be on the Big XII board?

At the time, Pitt was a no-brainer over Cincinnati. I suppose it's the ACC's fault that schools join and immediately can't compete.

Wow. Where was I in 2012 ???

I notice you failed to back that statement up with any, oh I don't know, FACTS of anything.

I guess it was Pitt's BE football championships? Huge TV market? Rabid fan base?

Just exactly what metric were you referring to?

You wont gain much support from ACC fans here by running down an actual ACC team. Why dont you instead tell us the reasons that Cincy should be an ACC target.

[ahem]

1) Plant your flag right in the middle of B1G country. Weaken Ohio St.
2) Play games in one of the best recruiting areas in the country.
3) Louisville's natural rival.
4) Large TV market. (Don't tell me that doesn't matter anymore)
5) A football upgrade.
6) Basketball brand on par.
7) Academics on par.
8) Facilities on par.

... that enough?

Hi, I'm earth. Have we met?

Oh how cute.

Care to engage in any real debate?

Can you amend the GOR's expiration date, ending it much sooner, to compel ESPN to renegotiate the contract?

I would think that if the Big 12 folds and it becomes P4 16 team conferences that ND would more than likely have to join in a conference full time if wanting any chance at a shot at the 4 team playoffs. I would find it hard for the P4 conferences to play many if any out of conference Big name schools with all having Big time schools on Their own conferences to deal with.
I would love to see ND in the ACC full time along with either WVU, Cincinnati, UCF, TCU, Houston. I can't see going more than 16 in any P4 conferences.

(07-24-2021 03:27 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 03:16 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 03:11 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 12:13 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:49 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Wow. Where was I in 2012 ???

I notice you failed to back that statement up with any, oh I don't know, FACTS of anything.

I guess it was Pitt's BE football championships? Huge TV market? Rabid fan base?

Just exactly what metric were you referring to?

You wont gain much support from ACC fans here by running down an actual ACC team. Why dont you instead tell us the reasons that Cincy should be an ACC target.

[ahem]

1) Plant your flag right in the middle of B1G country. Weaken Ohio St.
2) Play games in one of the best recruiting areas in the country.
3) Louisville's natural rival.
4) Large TV market. (Don't tell me that doesn't matter anymore)
5) A football upgrade.
6) Basketball brand on par.
7) Academics on par.
8) Facilities on par.

... that enough?

Hi, I'm earth. Have we met?

Oh how cute.

Care to engage in any real debate?

If you actually believe that adding Cincinnati will weaken OSU....well bless your heart.