Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
G4 Championship?
Author Message
Crayton Offline
All American
*

Posts: 3,347
Joined: Feb 2019
Reputation: 187
I Root For: Florida
Location:
Post: #101
RE: G5 Championship?
Returning to the OP,

the final weekend of the year there are 24 "G4" away teams and 24 home teams. If we add 2 away teams (NMSU and Liberty), we can give the top 2 away teams a BYE to December. We will also postpone the CCG of the G4 conference with the worst division winners to December. In this way, we can keep 4 December games (1 hosted by each G4 conference) AND stage a G4 Championship Game. The four games are the G4CG, the worst CCG, and 2 games featuring the 2 BYE teams, the 4th conference champion, and the best CCG loser of the 3 Thanksgiving games.

2019 example (using post-bowl SRS, ranking only top 10 G4 teams)
November, Thanksgiving weekend:
#1 App St vs. #4 Louisiana
#3 Boise St vs. #10 Hawaii
#5 FAU vs. NR UAB
#2 Air Force BYE (NMSU plays @ MWC-West team)
#7 Buffalo BYE (Liberty plays @ MAC-West team)

December:
Champ #1 App St vs. #3 Boise St (SB host)
#2 Air Force vs. #4 Louisiana (MW host)
#5 FAU vs. #7 Buffalo (CU host)
NR Miami(OH) vs. NR Central Michigan (MA host)
03-01-2020 01:54 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
quo vadis Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 50,201
Joined: Aug 2008
Reputation: 2429
I Root For: USF/Georgetown
Location: New Orleans
Post: #102
RE: G5 Championship?
(03-01-2020 01:54 AM)Crayton Wrote:  Returning to the OP,

the final weekend of the year there are 24 "G4" away teams and 24 home teams. If we add 2 away teams (NMSU and Liberty), we can give the top 2 away teams a BYE to December. We will also postpone the CCG of the G4 conference with the worst division winners to December. In this way, we can keep 4 December games (1 hosted by each G4 conference) AND stage a G4 Championship Game. The four games are the G4CG, the worst CCG, and 2 games featuring the 2 BYE teams, the 4th conference champion, and the best CCG loser of the 3 Thanksgiving games.

2019 example (using post-bowl SRS, ranking only top 10 G4 teams)
November, Thanksgiving weekend:
#1 App St vs. #4 Louisiana
#3 Boise St vs. #10 Hawaii
#5 FAU vs. NR UAB
#2 Air Force BYE (NMSU plays @ MWC-West team)
#7 Buffalo BYE (Liberty plays @ MAC-West team)

December:
Champ #1 App St vs. #3 Boise St (SB host)
#2 Air Force vs. #4 Louisiana (MW host)
#5 FAU vs. #7 Buffalo (CU host)
NR Miami(OH) vs. NR Central Michigan (MA host)

With the point of all this being?
03-01-2020 02:21 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
BruceMcF Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 13,220
Joined: Jan 2013
Reputation: 789
I Root For: Reds/Buckeyes/.
Location:
Post: #103
RE: G5 Championship?
(03-01-2020 02:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  With the point of all this being?

Evidently eliminating the predictability of the end of the regular season inventory and losing the CCG weekend top-up. So, in the end, reducing actual direct media revenues to the conferences.

It seems to be addressing the question, "is it feasible to organize a Go5 championship in a way that does not interfere with the Access Bowl spot", rather, "is it feasible to organize a Go5 championship that can be expected to benefit all Go5 conferences."
(This post was last modified: 03-01-2020 04:32 AM by BruceMcF.)
03-01-2020 04:31 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
goodknightfl Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 21,178
Joined: Feb 2004
Reputation: 518
I Root For:
Location:
Post: #104
RE: G5 Championship?
(03-01-2020 04:31 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(03-01-2020 02:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  With the point of all this being?

Evidently eliminating the predictability of the end of the regular season inventory and losing the CCG weekend top-up. So, in the end, reducing actual direct media revenues to the conferences.

It seems to be addressing the question, "is it feasible to organize a Go5 championship in a way that does not interfere with the Access Bowl spot", rather, "is it feasible to organize a Go5 championship that can be expected to benefit all Go5 conferences."

The best fix, is to give AAC the access spot every year, and let the G4 have their championship. 03-lmfao
03-01-2020 07:38 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
BruceMcF Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 13,220
Joined: Jan 2013
Reputation: 789
I Root For: Reds/Buckeyes/.
Location:
Post: #105
RE: G5 Championship?
(03-01-2020 07:38 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The best fix, is to give AAC the access spot every year, and let the G4 have their championship. 03-lmfao

Note that you can well be "that's OUR Access Bowl spot" ...

... and you can also be "We AREN'T in 'the Group'", ...

... but you can't be both at once, since the Access Spot is the spot for the highest rated champion from the Group.

So be our guest, leave the Group behind. Just remember it also means leaving behind the Access Bowl spot that goes to a member of the Group.
(This post was last modified: 03-01-2020 09:21 AM by BruceMcF.)
03-01-2020 09:20 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
slhNavy91 Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 7,893
Joined: Jul 2015
Reputation: 1631
I Root For: Navy
Location:
Post: #106
RE: G5 Championship?
(03-01-2020 09:20 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(03-01-2020 07:38 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The best fix, is to give AAC the access spot every year, and let the G4 have their championship. 03-lmfao

Note that you can well be "that's OUR Access Bowl spot" ...

... and you can also be "We AREN'T in 'the Group'", ...

... but you can't be both at once, since the Access Spot is the spot for the highest rated champion from the Group.

So be our guest, leave the Group behind. Just remember it also means leaving behind the Access Bowl spot that goes to a member of the Group.

Here's why you are wrong:
"P6" is about 2026 and the next iteration of the CFP.
"P6" isnt saying "Get us out of this "Group of 5" immediately!" It is saying "Don't press the easy button and lump us with those other four because we were at our nadir in conference perception when the current structure was established. If you judge the AAC and members on our merits on- and off-field, you will see that there is a solid case to be made that we have very little in common with those other four conferences; include us in the upper tier in the next CFP restructure."

In that sense taking the non-contract-bowl-conference NY6 slot year after year after year (four out of six hopefully turns into ten out of twelve) in the CURRENT construct is a key part of proving we are head and shoulders above those four and that should be recognized in the NEXT construct.

P6 and repeatedly taking the NY6 slot are perfectly congruous.
03-01-2020 10:14 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
quo vadis Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 50,201
Joined: Aug 2008
Reputation: 2429
I Root For: USF/Georgetown
Location: New Orleans
Post: #107
RE: G5 Championship?
(03-01-2020 10:14 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Here's why you are wrong:
"P6" is about 2026 and the next iteration of the CFP.

Hmm ... IIRC four years ago "P6" was about 2019-2020 and the new media and bowl deals. I suspect the goal posts will continue to get pushed back.


"P6" isnt saying "Get us out of this "Group of 5" immediately!" It is saying "Don't press the easy button and lump us with those other four because we were at our nadir in conference perception when the current structure was established.

But ... the CFP agreement that was ratified in 2012 did just that, lumped the AAC in with the other G5 conferences, so this would be closing the barn door after all the cows have escaped.

If you judge the AAC and members on our merits on- and off-field, you will see that there is a solid case to be made that we have very little in common with those other four conferences; include us in the upper tier in the next CFP restructure."

In that sense taking the non-contract-bowl-conference NY6 slot year after year after year (four out of six hopefully turns into ten out of twelve) in the CURRENT construct is a key part of proving we are head and shoulders above those four and that should be recognized in the NEXT construct.

P6 and repeatedly taking the NY6 slot are perfectly congruous.

I think the other poster was just saying that if the AAC takes the "P6" campaign seriously, it should renounce its claim to be eligible for the Access Bowl spot, since that spot is reserved for "Group" champions and the AAC is claiming it is not a member of the "Group". The fact that the AAC continues to send its champ to the Access game when earned undermines its claim, implicit in "P6", that it is not a member of the Group conferences.

And he has a point, because despite my statement about "P6" being about 2020 and yours that it is about 2026, the AAC has said all along that the campaign is meant to claim that it is "P" right now (really, in the past too) not at some future date. E.g., in 2017 Aresco said: "We believe we are already a P6 conference, and correspondingly we want and need a TV/media deal that recognizes what we have achieved and affords us the resources to continue to build the conference and continue to compete successfully with the other P6 conferences in the ever-competitive college football environment."

So there's all that, LOL.
(This post was last modified: 03-01-2020 10:39 AM by quo vadis.)
03-01-2020 10:37 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Attackcoog Offline
Moderator
*

Posts: 44,874
Joined: Oct 2011
Reputation: 2886
I Root For: Houston
Location:
Post: #108
RE: G5 Championship?
(03-01-2020 10:37 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-01-2020 10:14 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Here's why you are wrong:
"P6" is about 2026 and the next iteration of the CFP.

Hmm ... IIRC four years ago "P6" was about 2019-2020 and the new media and bowl deals. I suspect the goal posts will continue to get pushed back.


"P6" isnt saying "Get us out of this "Group of 5" immediately!" It is saying "Don't press the easy button and lump us with those other four because we were at our nadir in conference perception when the current structure was established.

But ... the CFP agreement that was ratified in 2012 did just that, lumped the AAC in with the other G5 conferences, so this would be closing the barn door after all the cows have escaped.

If you judge the AAC and members on our merits on- and off-field, you will see that there is a solid case to be made that we have very little in common with those other four conferences; include us in the upper tier in the next CFP restructure."

In that sense taking the non-contract-bowl-conference NY6 slot year after year after year (four out of six hopefully turns into ten out of twelve) in the CURRENT construct is a key part of proving we are head and shoulders above those four and that should be recognized in the NEXT construct.

P6 and repeatedly taking the NY6 slot are perfectly congruous.

I think the other poster was just saying that if the AAC takes the "P6" campaign seriously, it should renounce its claim to be eligible for the Access Bowl spot, since that spot is reserved for "Group" champions and the AAC is claiming it is not a member of the "Group". The fact that the AAC continues to send its champ to the Access game when earned undermines its claim, implicit in "P6", that it is not a member of the Group conferences.

And he has a point, because despite my statement about "P6" being about 2020 and yours that it is about 2026, the AAC has said all along that the campaign is meant to claim that it is "P" right now (really, in the past too) not at some future date. E.g., in 2017 Aresco said: "We believe we are already a P6 conference, and correspondingly we want and need a TV/media deal that recognizes what we have achieved and affords us the resources to continue to build the conference and continue to compete successfully with the other P6 conferences in the ever-competitive college football environment."

So there's all that, LOL.

I’m sure the AAC will gladly renounce any claim to the access bowl the moment they are granted a contract bowl. Until then, being the conference that typically supplies the access bowl participant is an excellent way to reflect the P6 marketing effort.
(This post was last modified: 03-01-2020 07:56 PM by Attackcoog.)
03-01-2020 12:31 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
sierrajip Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,706
Joined: May 2011
Reputation: 189
I Root For: UCF
Location:
Post: #109
RE: G5 Championship?
For JHS55, AQttackcoog, and Quo Vadis, +2 on the last few posts.
03-01-2020 07:25 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
quo vadis Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 50,201
Joined: Aug 2008
Reputation: 2429
I Root For: USF/Georgetown
Location: New Orleans
Post: #110
RE: G5 Championship?
(03-01-2020 12:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-01-2020 10:37 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-01-2020 10:14 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Here's why you are wrong:
"P6" is about 2026 and the next iteration of the CFP.

Hmm ... IIRC four years ago "P6" was about 2019-2020 and the new media and bowl deals. I suspect the goal posts will continue to get pushed back.


"P6" isnt saying "Get us out of this "Group of 5" immediately!" It is saying "Don't press the easy button and lump us with those other four because we were at our nadir in conference perception when the current structure was established.

But ... the CFP agreement that was ratified in 2012 did just that, lumped the AAC in with the other G5 conferences, so this would be closing the barn door after all the cows have escaped.

If you judge the AAC and members on our merits on- and off-field, you will see that there is a solid case to be made that we have very little in common with those other four conferences; include us in the upper tier in the next CFP restructure."

In that sense taking the non-contract-bowl-conference NY6 slot year after year after year (four out of six hopefully turns into ten out of twelve) in the CURRENT construct is a key part of proving we are head and shoulders above those four and that should be recognized in the NEXT construct.

P6 and repeatedly taking the NY6 slot are perfectly congruous.

I think the other poster was just saying that if the AAC takes the "P6" campaign seriously, it should renounce its claim to be eligible for the Access Bowl spot, since that spot is reserved for "Group" champions and the AAC is claiming it is not a member of the "Group". The fact that the AAC continues to send its champ to the Access game when earned undermines its claim, implicit in "P6", that it is not a member of the Group conferences.

And he has a point, because despite my statement about "P6" being about 2020 and yours that it is about 2026, the AAC has said all along that the campaign is meant to claim that it is "P" right now (really, in the past too) not at some future date. E.g., in 2017 Aresco said: "We believe we are already a P6 conference, and correspondingly we want and need a TV/media deal that recognizes what we have achieved and affords us the resources to continue to build the conference and continue to compete successfully with the other P6 conferences in the ever-competitive college football environment."

So there's all that, LOL.

I’m sure the AAC will gladly renounce any claim to the access bowl the moment they are granted a contract bowl. Until then, being the conference that typically supplies the access bowl participant is an excellent way to reflect the P6 marketing effort.

The problem is, part of what you call the P6 "marketing effort" is a claim by the ACC that the AAC is a "P" as we speak, heck not just as we speak but has been for 3-4 years now, not that it is building towards that in the future.

That contradiction creates these kinds of difficulties.
03-02-2020 08:52 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Kit-Cat Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 10,000
Joined: Jun 2002
Reputation: 125
I Root For: Championships
Location:

CrappiesCrappiesCrappiesCrappiesCrappies
Post: #111
RE: G5 Championship?
(03-01-2020 10:14 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(03-01-2020 09:20 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(03-01-2020 07:38 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The best fix, is to give AAC the access spot every year, and let the G4 have their championship. 03-lmfao

Note that you can well be "that's OUR Access Bowl spot" ...

... and you can also be "We AREN'T in 'the Group'", ...

... but you can't be both at once, since the Access Spot is the spot for the highest rated champion from the Group.

So be our guest, leave the Group behind. Just remember it also means leaving behind the Access Bowl spot that goes to a member of the Group.

Here's why you are wrong:
"P6" is about 2026 and the next iteration of the CFP.
"P6" isnt saying "Get us out of this "Group of 5" immediately!" It is saying "Don't press the easy button and lump us with those other four because we were at our nadir in conference perception when the current structure was established. If you judge the AAC and members on our merits on- and off-field, you will see that there is a solid case to be made that we have very little in common with those other four conferences; include us in the upper tier in the next CFP restructure."

In that sense taking the non-contract-bowl-conference NY6 slot year after year after year (four out of six hopefully turns into ten out of twelve) in the CURRENT construct is a key part of proving we are head and shoulders above those four and that should be recognized in the NEXT construct.

P6 and repeatedly taking the NY6 slot are perfectly congruous.

I didn't see the P6 marketing having a positive impact on AAC bowl negotiations.

If the AAC was on the verge of an auto slot for itself one would think it could have snagged a bowl for itself against a #2/#3 in the interim. Nothing remotely close to that happened.
03-02-2020 12:02 PM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
slhNavy91 Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 7,893
Joined: Jul 2015
Reputation: 1631
I Root For: Navy
Location:
Post: #112
RE: G5 Championship?
(03-02-2020 12:02 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(03-01-2020 10:14 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(03-01-2020 09:20 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(03-01-2020 07:38 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The best fix, is to give AAC the access spot every year, and let the G4 have their championship. 03-lmfao

Note that you can well be "that's OUR Access Bowl spot" ...

... and you can also be "We AREN'T in 'the Group'", ...

... but you can't be both at once, since the Access Spot is the spot for the highest rated champion from the Group.

So be our guest, leave the Group behind. Just remember it also means leaving behind the Access Bowl spot that goes to a member of the Group.

Here's why you are wrong:
"P6" is about 2026 and the next iteration of the CFP.
"P6" isnt saying "Get us out of this "Group of 5" immediately!" It is saying "Don't press the easy button and lump us with those other four because we were at our nadir in conference perception when the current structure was established. If you judge the AAC and members on our merits on- and off-field, you will see that there is a solid case to be made that we have very little in common with those other four conferences; include us in the upper tier in the next CFP restructure."

In that sense taking the non-contract-bowl-conference NY6 slot year after year after year (four out of six hopefully turns into ten out of twelve) in the CURRENT construct is a key part of proving we are head and shoulders above those four and that should be recognized in the NEXT construct.

P6 and repeatedly taking the NY6 slot are perfectly congruous.

I didn't see the P6 marketing having a positive impact on AAC bowl negotiations.

If the AAC was on the verge of an auto slot for itself one would think it could have snagged a bowl for itself against a #2/#3 in the interim. Nothing remotely close to that happened.

Do that many people really NOT understand the difference between strategic goals (years off), and the years-ago situation upon which we're trying to improve, and events in recent months?
03-02-2020 12:55 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
quo vadis Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 50,201
Joined: Aug 2008
Reputation: 2429
I Root For: USF/Georgetown
Location: New Orleans
Post: #113
RE: G5 Championship?
(03-02-2020 12:02 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  I didn't see the P6 marketing having a positive impact on AAC bowl negotiations.

If the AAC was on the verge of an auto slot for itself one would think it could have snagged a bowl for itself against a #2/#3 in the interim. Nothing remotely close to that happened.

Yes, "Navy" is trying to spin the P6 campaign as some far-off futuristic thing but when it was conceived in 2016-2017 it's pretty clear that it was supposed to have an impact on big events coming up in 2020, namely the new bowl deals and the new media deal.

Given that the bowl deal was bad and the media deal mediocre, it's hard to argue that P6 has been working. Will it work five years from now when the CFP is up for renewal? Who knows? But that's five years from now.
03-02-2020 01:15 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
JHS55 Offline
All American
*

Posts: 4,408
Joined: Jan 2016
Reputation: 173
I Root For: Houston
Location:
Post: #114
RE: G5 Championship?
5 years ?, I don’t think the “p6” thing will even have a chance to happen becouse of the “ player compensation “ thing takes effect 2023 and I think things will get intresting before 2023, like mybe next year
It has already started in that states are trying to decide how to handle this as a whole group of states or each state mandates its own and unique rules
The p6 narrative my have already run its course
03-02-2020 05:42 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
quo vadis Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 50,201
Joined: Aug 2008
Reputation: 2429
I Root For: USF/Georgetown
Location: New Orleans
Post: #115
RE: G5 Championship?
(03-02-2020 05:42 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  The p6 narrative my have already run its course

I've always maintained that the real audience for the P6 campaign isn't the national media or fans or the P5 conferences, it's actually the AAC schools themselves. That is, IMO, the P6 campaign was developed by Aresco to market himself to the AAC schools, so that he can keep his high-paying job.

Aresco may not be good at negotiating bowl deals or media deals, but since day one he has shown a fine nose for sensing the temperature in the AAC room. The P6 campaign feeds the "chip on the shoulder" defiance that has characterized the league all along, actually inherited from the old Big East. That wounded sense of disrespect is probably the strongest, arguably the only, narrative that binds the schools. It is what caused UCF to put up a ridiculous 2017 national champions banner in their stadium AND, amazingly, why many USF fans actually supported them in that.

P6 may be scoffed at nationally, but it is Red Meat to the supporters of AAC schools, exactly what they want to hear, and thus keeps Aresco fully in the good graces of the members, and raking in that $2m+ salary despite delivering very little in terms of tangible results. In that regard, it has been extremely successful for him.
(This post was last modified: 03-02-2020 07:28 PM by quo vadis.)
03-02-2020 07:26 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
sierrajip Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,706
Joined: May 2011
Reputation: 189
I Root For: UCF
Location:
Post: #116
RE: G5 Championship?
(03-02-2020 07:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-02-2020 05:42 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  The p6 narrative my have already run its course

I've always maintained that the real audience for the P6 campaign isn't the national media or fans or the P5 conferences, it's actually the AAC schools themselves. That is, IMO, the P6 campaign was developed by Aresco to market himself to the AAC schools, so that he can keep his high-paying job.

Aresco may not be good at negotiating bowl deals or media deals, but since day one he has shown a fine nose for sensing the temperature in the AAC room. The P6 campaign feeds the "chip on the shoulder" defiance that has characterized the league all along, actually inherited from the old Big East. That wounded sense of disrespect is probably the strongest, arguably the only, narrative that binds the schools. It is what caused UCF to put up a ridiculous 2017 national champions banner in their stadium AND, amazingly, why many USF fans actually supported them in that.

P6 may be scoffed at nationally, but it is Red Meat to the supporters of AAC schools, exactly what they want to hear, and thus keeps Aresco fully in the good graces of the members, and raking in that $2m+ salary despite delivering very little in terms of tangible results. In that regard, it has been extremely successful for him.

Sorry, but how much is the AAC making compared to the other G4. ESPiN is willing to put up with the P6 as long as it favors them. That is all that counts, until a change of distribution changes that.

Jealous about the NC, huh.
03-02-2020 08:10 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Attackcoog Offline
Moderator
*

Posts: 44,874
Joined: Oct 2011
Reputation: 2886
I Root For: Houston
Location:
Post: #117
RE: G5 Championship?
(03-02-2020 08:52 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-01-2020 12:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-01-2020 10:37 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-01-2020 10:14 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Here's why you are wrong:
"P6" is about 2026 and the next iteration of the CFP.

Hmm ... IIRC four years ago "P6" was about 2019-2020 and the new media and bowl deals. I suspect the goal posts will continue to get pushed back.


"P6" isnt saying "Get us out of this "Group of 5" immediately!" It is saying "Don't press the easy button and lump us with those other four because we were at our nadir in conference perception when the current structure was established.

But ... the CFP agreement that was ratified in 2012 did just that, lumped the AAC in with the other G5 conferences, so this would be closing the barn door after all the cows have escaped.

If you judge the AAC and members on our merits on- and off-field, you will see that there is a solid case to be made that we have very little in common with those other four conferences; include us in the upper tier in the next CFP restructure."

In that sense taking the non-contract-bowl-conference NY6 slot year after year after year (four out of six hopefully turns into ten out of twelve) in the CURRENT construct is a key part of proving we are head and shoulders above those four and that should be recognized in the NEXT construct.

P6 and repeatedly taking the NY6 slot are perfectly congruous.

I think the other poster was just saying that if the AAC takes the "P6" campaign seriously, it should renounce its claim to be eligible for the Access Bowl spot, since that spot is reserved for "Group" champions and the AAC is claiming it is not a member of the "Group". The fact that the AAC continues to send its champ to the Access game when earned undermines its claim, implicit in "P6", that it is not a member of the Group conferences.

And he has a point, because despite my statement about "P6" being about 2020 and yours that it is about 2026, the AAC has said all along that the campaign is meant to claim that it is "P" right now (really, in the past too) not at some future date. E.g., in 2017 Aresco said: "We believe we are already a P6 conference, and correspondingly we want and need a TV/media deal that recognizes what we have achieved and affords us the resources to continue to build the conference and continue to compete successfully with the other P6 conferences in the ever-competitive college football environment."

So there's all that, LOL.

I’m sure the AAC will gladly renounce any claim to the access bowl the moment they are granted a contract bowl. Until then, being the conference that typically supplies the access bowl participant is an excellent way to reflect the P6 marketing effort.

The problem is, part of what you call the P6 "marketing effort" is a claim by the ACC that the AAC is a "P" as we speak, heck not just as we speak but has been for 3-4 years now, not that it is building towards that in the future.

That contradiction creates these kinds of difficulties.

lol...Honestly----the whole crying about the use of the P6 labeling is hilarious. The AAC is almost universally considered to the be the #6 FBS conferece---thus "P6" is just a witty way of reflecting that perception. Look---the conference has two choices. They can represent themselves as being the "top of the bottom half of FBS" or they can represent themselves as being "Part of the top 6". You dont need a masters in marketing to figure out which is the best way to go.
03-02-2020 08:16 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Attackcoog Offline
Moderator
*

Posts: 44,874
Joined: Oct 2011
Reputation: 2886
I Root For: Houston
Location:
Post: #118
RE: G5 Championship?
(03-02-2020 07:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-02-2020 05:42 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  The p6 narrative my have already run its course

I've always maintained that the real audience for the P6 campaign isn't the national media or fans or the P5 conferences, it's actually the AAC schools themselves. That is, IMO, the P6 campaign was developed by Aresco to market himself to the AAC schools, so that he can keep his high-paying job.

Aresco may not be good at negotiating bowl deals or media deals, but since day one he has shown a fine nose for sensing the temperature in the AAC room. The P6 campaign feeds the "chip on the shoulder" defiance that has characterized the league all along, actually inherited from the old Big East. That wounded sense of disrespect is probably the strongest, arguably the only, narrative that binds the schools. It is what caused UCF to put up a ridiculous 2017 national champions banner in their stadium AND, amazingly, why many USF fans actually supported them in that.

P6 may be scoffed at nationally, but it is Red Meat to the supporters of AAC schools, exactly what they want to hear, and thus keeps Aresco fully in the good graces of the members, and raking in that $2m+ salary despite delivering very little in terms of tangible results. In that regard, it has been extremely successful for him.

It has two components. The labeling is the consumption of fans and general public. The other is a legitimate strategic plan that sets goals that could very well lead to the AAC becoming a legit power conference over time. The second part is largely for internal consumption and is only relevant to the extent that the member schools actually execute the plan. Although both are public---hardly anyone outside of the school administrators have bothered to see what the actual strategic plan is.
(This post was last modified: 03-02-2020 08:26 PM by Attackcoog.)
03-02-2020 08:25 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
quo vadis Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 50,201
Joined: Aug 2008
Reputation: 2429
I Root For: USF/Georgetown
Location: New Orleans
Post: #119
RE: G5 Championship?
(03-02-2020 08:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-02-2020 07:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-02-2020 05:42 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  The p6 narrative my have already run its course

I've always maintained that the real audience for the P6 campaign isn't the national media or fans or the P5 conferences, it's actually the AAC schools themselves. That is, IMO, the P6 campaign was developed by Aresco to market himself to the AAC schools, so that he can keep his high-paying job.

Aresco may not be good at negotiating bowl deals or media deals, but since day one he has shown a fine nose for sensing the temperature in the AAC room. The P6 campaign feeds the "chip on the shoulder" defiance that has characterized the league all along, actually inherited from the old Big East. That wounded sense of disrespect is probably the strongest, arguably the only, narrative that binds the schools. It is what caused UCF to put up a ridiculous 2017 national champions banner in their stadium AND, amazingly, why many USF fans actually supported them in that.

P6 may be scoffed at nationally, but it is Red Meat to the supporters of AAC schools, exactly what they want to hear, and thus keeps Aresco fully in the good graces of the members, and raking in that $2m+ salary despite delivering very little in terms of tangible results. In that regard, it has been extremely successful for him.

It has two components. The labeling is the consumption of fans and general public. The other is a legitimate strategic plan that sets goals that could very well lead to the AAC becoming a legit power conference over time. The second part is largely for internal consumption and is only relevant to the extent that the member schools actually execute the plan. Although both are public---hardly anyone outside of the school administrators have bothered to see what the actual strategic plan is.

Nah, when it was released, I read the strategic plan. It's not legit as it doesn't have timetables and measurables, which means it is nothing in that sense, just marketing.

That's especially true for the commissioner's activities. What I mean is, if you look at the plan and at what the schools are collectively responsible for achieving on the court and field, there are some specifics, such as putting 4-6 teams in the NCAA tournament each year, averaging 75% of stadium capacity in football, having 2-4 teams ranked in the CFP top 25, having a .500 bowl record, stuff like that. Whatever else you may think about them, those are real tangible targets that performance can collectively be measured against.

But when it comes to the stuff that actually defines whether a conference is "P" or not - the media deal, the bowl deal (including contract status with a major bowl) and "autonomy" status in the NCAA - stuff which it is the commissioner's job for achieving, there is basically nothing specific and no timetable. I remember that I was rather stunned when i reached the end of the document and .... that's it? Where's the big section on getting a $20m a year media deal by 2025 or signing a contract bowl by 2020?

But nope, just IIRC the vaguest language about improving revenue. But absolutely zero that Aresco could be held accountable for or measured against.

So I stand by my claim that the actual purpose of the plan is Aresco job protection.

BTW, I found the plan and re-read it. It's as i remembered. There are like 5 pages with details on how the teams are supposed to perform on the field, but the last section "revenue generation", is just one paltry page filled with fluff.

http://theamerican.org/documents/2017/5/...df?id=1374
(This post was last modified: 03-03-2020 10:50 AM by quo vadis.)
03-03-2020 10:31 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
TrueBlueDrew Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 6,553
Joined: Jun 2014
Reputation: 486
I Root For: Jawjuh Suthen
Location: Enemy Turf
Post: #120
RE: G5 Championship?
The G5 should never give up any access it has to the CFP/NY6 Bowls, however the G5 need to do a better job of ensuring it's champions that aren't playing in the access bowl still have quality match ups versus each other.

The G5 conferences need to select 4 bowls that will be the "G5 Showcase" bowls and feature the 4 conference champions not in the Access Bowl and 4 out of 5 conference runner ups. All 4 bowls won't have conference contracts and therefore are free to select teams based on what they think is most important ie proximity, ranking, ticket sales, brand recognition, etc.

This will be good for tv, fan support, and the bowl cities because it will ensure that G5 conference champions will have better, more interesting match ups.

This is not a G5 championship but a showcase where the G5 chooses its most prestigious bowl games and sends its best teams to those like the G5 version of the Cotton, Sugar, Rose, and Orange Bowls.
03-03-2020 10:48 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2024 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2024 MyBB Group.