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RE: G5 Championship?
(03-04-2020 03:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 02:24 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Gosh lee you need evidence, my evidence is the g5 is FBS college football
Negative Nancy you are

Just because something is "FBS college football" doesn't make it valuable. Why do you think so many G5 football programs are drowning in red ink and need huge student fees and transfers to stay in business?

Michigan got about $55m from the B1G last year. That's more money than the entire Sun Belt and CUSA received, all those schools put together. There are many extremely low-value FBS schools and conferences.

Here’s exactly how much interest there are in the bottom 3 conferences.

CUSA’s tv deal $400k/school/year
MAC’s tv deal $670k/school/year
Sunbelt’s tv deal $400k/school/year

That’s why most of these programs have to do body bag games to have a budget. Just like FCS programs do.
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(03-04-2020 04:16 PM)MidknightWhiskey Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 03:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 02:24 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Gosh lee you need evidence, my evidence is the g5 is FBS college football
Negative Nancy you are

Just because something is "FBS college football" doesn't make it valuable. Why do you think so many G5 football programs are drowning in red ink and need huge student fees and transfers to stay in business?

Michigan got about $55m from the B1G last year. That's more money than the entire Sun Belt and CUSA received, all those schools put together. There are many extremely low-value FBS schools and conferences.

Here’s exactly how much interest there are in the bottom 3 conferences.

CUSA’s tv deal $400k/school/year
MAC’s tv deal $670k/school/year
Sunbelt’s tv deal $400k/school/year

That’s why most of these programs have to do body bag games to have a budget. Just like FCS programs do.

Wow ... so Iowa gets more media money per year than the entire collective MAC, SB, and CUSA conferences get combined?

That's low value activity.

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Well I just feel differently than y’all do, no worries
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(02-18-2020 11:33 PM)Crayton Wrote:  With news of the new 12-team playoff format and the real possibility of 2 “G5” champs earning bids, I’m bumping the thread. Could be a way to snipe the lowest P5 champ or open permanent access to “all 7” champs.

Bump. Was thinking how the lower conferences could maximize their playoff chances. This becomes a more viable plan because instead of racing the American champ for 1 NY6 berth, the G4 Champ can compete against all 6 of the stronger conferences’ champs.
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(06-23-2021 10:04 PM)Crayton Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 11:33 PM)Crayton Wrote:  With news of the new 12-team playoff format and the real possibility of 2 “G5” champs earning bids, I’m bumping the thread. Could be a way to snipe the lowest P5 champ or open permanent access to “all 7” champs.

Bump. Was thinking how the lower conferences could maximize their playoff chances. This becomes a more viable plan because instead of racing the American champ for 1 NY6 berth, the G4 Champ can compete against all 6 of the stronger conferences’ champs.

If this idea was dead in the water before the playoff proposal, it's sitting on the bottom of the ocean now.

With that being said, a decent way to "fix" (or at least make slightly more meaningful) the bowl system would be to have a secondary "NIT" style tournament that involved all 10 conferences. Teams ranked 13-25ish could play some meaningful games against each other in a similar format to the CFP. It would give teams like Michigan something to play for in December.
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I think a bowl game is still a great way to end the season if you’re a renamed team that doesn’t qualify for the playoffs. You typically get to visit a nice destination city and 50% of the participants get to end the season with a win.

There might be some money in some 4-team tournaments played at bowl sites but I think the status quo is the way to go. You’ve still got a lot of great games outside the playoff:

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(06-24-2021 02:17 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I think a bowl game is still a great way to end the season if you’re a renamed team that doesn’t qualify for the playoffs. You typically get to visit a nice destination city and 50% of the participants get to end the season with a win.

There might be some money in some 4-team tournaments played at bowl sites but I think the status quo is the way to go. You’ve still got a lot of great games outside the playoff:

Citrus
Gator
Outback
Cheese It (Orlando)
Las Vegas
Alamo
Music City
Texas

I'd be down with the status quo if they'd change to a ~70/30 payout or something based on winning/losing the game. There has to be a lever that can be pulled to incentivize participation and competitive play, or these games are going to keep looking like the NFL pro bowl.
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RE: G4 Championship?
The OP is nothing about a bowl-season tournament. Using 2020 as an example (OP has 2019), it would pit San Jose against Coastal Carolina on Championship Saturday.

When necromancing I did not read all 8 pages, so maybe most discussion veered toward a 4-team G4 playoff? OP is about a 1-round, 2-team, "regular-season" game that utilizes the current 13th game exemption.
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AAC keep dreaming. You are not p5 nor will they never let you. They will freeze you out. AAC stands for all about Cincinnati not getting in and no one from AAC is not going to share the wealth with the p5s. You guys really are gullible. There is no p6 just another way for the p5 to make more money. By the way, if you are really a p6, every team would want to stay but every school from the AAC would leave if the power conferences came calling. Wake up.
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(06-24-2021 02:17 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I think a bowl game is still a great way to end the season if you’re a renamed team that doesn’t qualify for the playoffs. You typically get to visit a nice destination city and 50% of the participants get to end the season with a win.

There might be some money in some 4-team tournaments played at bowl sites but I think the status quo is the way to go. You’ve still got a lot of great games outside the playoff:

Citrus
Gator
Outback
Cheese It (Orlando)
Las Vegas
Alamo
Music City
Texas

I think you can probably use those bowls and place the top 25 teams and unranked conference champions not in the playoffs and have a fun 2nd tier of bowl games maybe to fill in the gaps on Saturdays when we don't have CFP games playing. This gets you 15-16 teams most years, and rewards the G5 champs giving them a chance at a P5 team in a major bowl. Also gives you the option of 4 4-team mini tournaments if there is financial and fan interest as you suggested. I would sub the Holiday bowl instead of Las Vegas, but that's just my opinion, that doesn't have any major impact.
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Lol...a G4/G5 playoff only benefits the C-USA, Sunbelt and MAC...IMO the AAC & MWC would refuse and laugh at such a ploy....07-coffee3
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still what to do with 4 FBS conference champions that are left out, what happens when it’s an a5 conference champion?
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(06-24-2021 09:02 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  still what to do with 4 FBS conference champions that are left out, what happens when it’s an a5 conference champion?

It's champagne corks popping at the bowl that has the "highest outside the CFP" pick from that conference.
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(06-24-2021 07:47 PM)jaybird44 Wrote:  AAC keep dreaming. You are not p5 nor will they never let you. They will freeze you out. AAC stands for all about Cincinnati not getting in and no one from AAC is not going to share the wealth with the p5s. You guys really are gullible. There is no p6 just another way for the p5 to make more money. By the way, if you are really a p6, every team would want to stay but every school from the AAC would leave if the power conferences came calling. Wake up.

Ture, every AAC team would roll if the Big 12/ACC came calling, because they make 4x what we make, every Big 12/ACC school would leave if the SEC or Big 10 came calling because they make 2x what those conferences make, and every CUSA school would leave if the AAC came calling because we make 20x what you guys make. There is definitely a pecking order, and the AAC sits at 6.
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(06-24-2021 08:40 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  
(06-24-2021 02:17 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I think a bowl game is still a great way to end the season if you’re a renamed team that doesn’t qualify for the playoffs. You typically get to visit a nice destination city and 50% of the participants get to end the season with a win.

There might be some money in some 4-team tournaments played at bowl sites but I think the status quo is the way to go. You’ve still got a lot of great games outside the playoff:

Citrus
Gator
Outback
Cheese It (Orlando)
Las Vegas
Alamo
Music City
Texas

I think you can probably use those bowls and place the top 25 teams and unranked conference champions not in the playoffs and have a fun 2nd tier of bowl games maybe to fill in the gaps on Saturdays when we don't have CFP games playing. This gets you 15-16 teams most years, and rewards the G5 champs giving them a chance at a P5 team in a major bowl. Also gives you the option of 4 4-team mini tournaments if there is financial and fan interest as you suggested. I would sub the Holiday bowl instead of Las Vegas, but that's just my opinion, that doesn't have any major impact.

Las Vegas though has moved way up in the PAC pecking order with the NFL stadium.

Music City has the payout but not the destination for a top tier bowl. Is it a step up from bowls like the Holiday, Sun and Liberty in terms of perception?

The MAC fan inside of me thinks playing the B1G #5 in Detroit as the #1 bowl might best these other setups.
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(06-25-2021 08:27 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(06-24-2021 08:40 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  
(06-24-2021 02:17 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I think a bowl game is still a great way to end the season if you’re a renamed team that doesn’t qualify for the playoffs. You typically get to visit a nice destination city and 50% of the participants get to end the season with a win.

There might be some money in some 4-team tournaments played at bowl sites but I think the status quo is the way to go. You’ve still got a lot of great games outside the playoff:

Citrus
Gator
Outback
Cheese It (Orlando)
Las Vegas
Alamo
Music City
Texas

I think you can probably use those bowls and place the top 25 teams and unranked conference champions not in the playoffs and have a fun 2nd tier of bowl games maybe to fill in the gaps on Saturdays when we don't have CFP games playing. This gets you 15-16 teams most years, and rewards the G5 champs giving them a chance at a P5 team in a major bowl. Also gives you the option of 4 4-team mini tournaments if there is financial and fan interest as you suggested. I would sub the Holiday bowl instead of Las Vegas, but that's just my opinion, that doesn't have any major impact.

Las Vegas though has moved way up in the PAC pecking order with the NFL stadium.

Music City has the payout but not the destination for a top tier bowl. Is it a step up from bowls like the Holiday, Sun and Liberty in terms of perception?

The MAC fan inside of me thinks playing the B1G #5 in Detroit as the #1 bowl might best these other setups.

Seriously? Nashville isn't a destination for a top tier bowl while we have top tier bowls in Dallas, Atlanta, and Phoenix? Nashville and Vegas are a real bore. Really wish Cleveland and Albuquerque would return our calls.
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(06-25-2021 08:34 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  
(06-25-2021 08:27 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(06-24-2021 08:40 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  
(06-24-2021 02:17 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I think a bowl game is still a great way to end the season if you’re a renamed team that doesn’t qualify for the playoffs. You typically get to visit a nice destination city and 50% of the participants get to end the season with a win.

There might be some money in some 4-team tournaments played at bowl sites but I think the status quo is the way to go. You’ve still got a lot of great games outside the playoff:

Citrus
Gator
Outback
Cheese It (Orlando)
Las Vegas
Alamo
Music City
Texas

I think you can probably use those bowls and place the top 25 teams and unranked conference champions not in the playoffs and have a fun 2nd tier of bowl games maybe to fill in the gaps on Saturdays when we don't have CFP games playing. This gets you 15-16 teams most years, and rewards the G5 champs giving them a chance at a P5 team in a major bowl. Also gives you the option of 4 4-team mini tournaments if there is financial and fan interest as you suggested. I would sub the Holiday bowl instead of Las Vegas, but that's just my opinion, that doesn't have any major impact.

Las Vegas though has moved way up in the PAC pecking order with the NFL stadium.

Music City has the payout but not the destination for a top tier bowl. Is it a step up from bowls like the Holiday, Sun and Liberty in terms of perception?

The MAC fan inside of me thinks playing the B1G #5 in Detroit as the #1 bowl might best these other setups.

Seriously? Nashville isn't a destination for a top tier bowl while we have top tier bowls in Dallas, Atlanta, and Phoenix? Nashville and Vegas are a real bore. Really wish Cleveland and Albuquerque would return our calls.

Doesn't have warm weather. It's not really a Dec-Jan type place.

Its definitely a town worthy of a bowl game. I still feel that it's in the category of a newer game rather than traditional.
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(06-24-2021 09:02 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  still what to do with 4 FBS conference champions that are left out, what happens when it’s an a5 conference champion?

An excellent question.

I do think their will still be bowls outside the CFP structure just as there is still and NIT, CBI, and CIT. Their importance will continue to decrease to the level of the current NIT, CBI, and CIT as will the volume of these bowls, but they will exist.

Right now the current structure displaces 12 teams from their conference bowl allotment. Under the new structure, 12 teams will be displaced from their conference bowl allotment.

I dont think much will change for the G5 bowls as they are mostly against each other anyways, and like now, most years only 1 G5 team will be displaced to participate in the larger CFP structure.

The Citrus Bowl can still make good money, especially if they keep their NYD slot, my matching up the best Big 10 and SEC teams outside of the CFP structure. Will players opt out? Sure, but its still a good football game that can be played with 2 very interested fanbases in a tourist destination city.
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(03-04-2020 04:16 PM)MidknightWhiskey Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 03:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 02:24 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Gosh lee you need evidence, my evidence is the g5 is FBS college football
Negative Nancy you are

Just because something is "FBS college football" doesn't make it valuable. Why do you think so many G5 football programs are drowning in red ink and need huge student fees and transfers to stay in business?

Michigan got about $55m from the B1G last year. That's more money than the entire Sun Belt and CUSA received, all those schools put together. There are many extremely low-value FBS schools and conferences.

Here’s exactly how much interest there are in the bottom 3 conferences.

CUSA’s tv deal $400k/school/year
MAC’s tv deal $670k/school/year
Sunbelt’s tv deal $400k/school/year

That’s why most of these programs have to do body bag games to have a budget. Just like FCS programs do.
these numbers are not static and should trend up with this new cfp-12
i’d like to see BYU join the MWC in an effort to make the playoffs available to 7 conference champions
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(06-25-2021 11:54 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(06-24-2021 09:02 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  still what to do with 4 FBS conference champions that are left out, what happens when it’s an a5 conference champion?

An excellent question.

I do think their will still be bowls outside the CFP structure just as there is still and NIT, CBI, and CIT. Their importance will continue to decrease to the level of the current NIT, CBI, and CIT as will the volume of these bowls, but they will exist.

Right now the current structure displaces 12 teams from their conference bowl allotment. Under the new structure, 12 teams will be displaced from their conference bowl allotment.

I dont think much will change for the G5 bowls as they are mostly against each other anyways, and like now, most years only 1 G5 team will be displaced to participate in the larger CFP structure.

The Citrus Bowl can still make good money, especially if they keep their NYD slot, my matching up the best Big 10 and SEC teams outside of the CFP structure. Will players opt out? Sure, but its still a good football game that can be played with 2 very interested fanbases in a tourist destination city.

I think the PAC champ would like to play in a CFP access bowl if they don't make the playoffs.

LV, Alamo, Citrus, Gator could have contracts with the PAC, XII, B1G, ACC respectively and host the 4 conference champs not in bowls.

PAC then could have the Las Vegas Bowl as #2 and also put their champ in the Alamo Bowl if it doesn't qualify for the playoff.

Same with the ACC, have the Gator #2 and place the champ in the Citrus.

Of course somebody would have to take the MAC Champion and they might get shipped out west more often than not with all the southern based FBS conferences.
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