(01-18-2020 10:48 PM)Hilltopper413 Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 10:06 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 09:45 PM)wkufirst Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 09:05 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 08:52 PM)Theflash Wrote:  Well duh! Judy has instructed all officials to blatantly favor WKU. She loves our AD, our coaches, and our wonderful, upstanding, straight A players.... not to mention she feels sorry for us because we lost Bassey.
Get a grip, people. WKU doesn’t foul. That’s a Stanz trademark. Have you all not seen the olé defense we play? On offense, our guys go to the basket. 99% of the time WKU shoots more free throws than the other team. Several times this team has made more than the other team shoots. This has happened at home and the road during the Stanz era.

That doesn't sell when the team is frantically pressing full court in the last minute down 6. They not only do foul, they did foul.

I don't blame or fault WKU, and no, Judy hasn't instructed the refs to favor WKU.

So then what is it? WKU just gets lucky? In 6 conference game WKU has attempted 142 FT’s to their opponents 71. So either WKU is cheating, it’s pure luck, or it’s the style we play, take your pick.

WKU certainly hasn’t been lucky the last two years in the CUSAT final. This should be your year, but we’ll see if Stansbury can actually coach you to the win. And make no mistake, ODU will be waiting for you to defend our title when the chips are really down.

Lol at the this should be our year comment. We lost a first team All-American big and are missing our senior PG that we were relying on to run the team. Two losses that NOBODY else in CUSA could survive. It speaks to the recruiting acumen of Stanz that we even have a shot. At full strength I would agree with you, but with the attrition it is certainly not ours to lose anymore. But I still wouldn’t count us out.

Down play all you want, but you know you’re the favorite. And, yes, I’ll agree with you that you most likely won’t be able to close this year again with the most talented team. Stansbury is an elite recruiter, but he can’t coach. His coaching performance last year against us proved that beyond a reasonable doubt.

(01-18-2020 11:19 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 10:52 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  I pay $1,100 for a basketball season ticket

Say what? Does this include your annual contribution to the program?

Yes (part of it) but I cant get the ticket ($316) without it.

(01-18-2020 09:45 PM)wkufirst Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 09:05 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 08:52 PM)Theflash Wrote:  Well duh! Judy has instructed all officials to blatantly favor WKU. She loves our AD, our coaches, and our wonderful, upstanding, straight A players.... not to mention she feels sorry for us because we lost Bassey.
Get a grip, people. WKU doesn’t foul. That’s a Stanz trademark. Have you all not seen the olé defense we play? On offense, our guys go to the basket. 99% of the time WKU shoots more free throws than the other team. Several times this team has made more than the other team shoots. This has happened at home and the road during the Stanz era.

That doesn't sell when the team is frantically pressing full court in the last minute down 6. They not only do foul, they did foul.

I don't blame or fault WKU, and no, Judy hasn't instructed the refs to favor WKU.

So then what is it? WKU just gets lucky? In 6 conference game WKU has attempted 142 FT’s to their opponents 71. So either WKU is cheating, it’s pure luck, or it’s the style we play, take your pick.

It is what it is, but you guys saying your style of play is what causes teams to foul more doesn't seem to fit when prior to this game Charlotte shot 103 FTs compared to the opponents 56 in conference play. So your style of play caused Charlotte players to go from a 2:1 advantage at the line to a 1:3 disadvantage. WKU took the most FTs of any Charlotte opponent this season, and took more than UAB, MT, and ODU combined in our games. I thought the refs have sucked in multiple games and have said as much. Yesterday we had what 4 monitor reviews, a delay of game on a WKU player, and a bench warning on Charlotte for celebrating. All of the players deserve better than what this conference officiating is doing.

Dowless is correct. This is not a WKU-specific problem. Your players did nothing wrong. They played hard and did what they had to in order to win both games against ODU and Charlotte.

This is also not a Stanbury problem. He did nothing wrong (aside from being a smug weenie with a questionable history).

It is a refereeing problem -- a problem that is unfair in the extreme to college kids who are giving their all according to set rules, only to have it snatched away by adults with inconsistent whistles.

WKU has enough talent to outright win the CUSA title. You should want for your players for that win, if it comes, to be considered legitimate. Telling us that your "style of play" justifies refs calling fouls only when the opposing team makes contact (and sometimes even when there is no contact at all) frames the concern incorrectly.

Saying it that way makes this a WKU problem, when it really is not.

clt is 1000% behind the wku cusa Illuminati theories,

Only 13 fouls yesterday?

I don’t have the time now but for the last 3 years you will find that our teams almost always win the FT battle. It’s not a coincidence. We will keep shooting more FT than are opponents (most games) and y’all will keep complaining about it. Go Tops!

(01-18-2020 07:33 PM)wkufirst Wrote:  How are y’all still surprised when WKU wins the FT battle nearly every game? It’s the way Stanz coaches. Don’t foul and get to the line. You’ll never see a Stansbury team be accused of being a physical team.

Uhhh, so has Charlotte in the vast majority of games this year......until yesterday.....hmmm, 31 attempts to 13.....refs even gave wku the ball on a tie-up when the arrow was pointing to Charlotte.....I have never seen that before.

According to our stat guru zeke on are team boards...

“We are #37 in getting there the most often, #11 in team FT%, and #10 best in not sending opponents there, This is out of 353 teams. If I crunched the numbers (and I might, just for kicks), we might be #1 in total free throw advantage in the entire country.”

So this talk of Charlotte gets to the line too... sorry WKU is just better at it. And the stats back it up, out of 353 teams.

(01-19-2020 09:05 AM)wkufirst Wrote:  According to our stat guru zeke on are team boards...

“We are #37 in getting there the most often, #11 in team FT%, and #10 best in not sending opponents there, This is out of 353 teams. If I crunched the numbers (and I might, just for kicks), we might be #1 in total free throw advantage in the entire country.”

So this talk of Charlotte gets to the line too... sorry WKU is just better at it. And the stats back it up, out of 353 teams.

After watching the ODU / WKU and Charlotte / WKU games it is easy to see why WKU is #37 in getting to the line and even easier than that to see how they are #10 in not sending opponents there. Your stats are backing up our argument about the poor, one sided officiating in the last two WKU home games. They may climb to #1 after those two games.

(01-19-2020 11:10 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-19-2020 09:05 AM)wkufirst Wrote:  According to our stat guru zeke on are team boards...

“We are #37 in getting there the most often, #11 in team FT%, and #10 best in not sending opponents there, This is out of 353 teams. If I crunched the numbers (and I might, just for kicks), we might be #1 in total free throw advantage in the entire country.”

So this talk of Charlotte gets to the line too... sorry WKU is just better at it. And the stats back it up, out of 353 teams.

After watching the ODU / WKU and Charlotte / WKU games it is easy to see why WKU is #37 in getting to the line and even easier than that to see how they are #10 in not sending opponents there. Your stats are backing up our argument about the poor, one sided officiating in the last two WKU home games. They may climb to #1 after those two games.

Wrong. These stats were the same before the last two games and will likely remain for the rest of the season.

In addition, wkufirst, you did not just beat us on the foul line. (Yes, WKU scored 24 points on free throws, and we only scored 11. But I will fully accept that this reflects your pristine brand of basketball compared to our thug-like approach.)

That's fine, but beside the point. Where you really beat us, especially in the last few minutes, was on turnovers. You turned us over 15 times. We only turned you over 12. Ordinarily, it is the playground bullies, not the kids in bowties, who win that battle.

Add to that the foul-out losses of both Jason Wade (two of his were total phantom calls) and Kalu Ezikpe (that last one was at least debatable). We just don't have the depth to recover from that. Those foul outs are more bothersome in view of by the non-calls on the three tie ups for which WKUYG was good enough to post clips. If the game had been called evenly, either those tie-ups would have been foul calls on WKU or Wade/Ezkipe (two of our tougher players) would still have been in the game.

As I've stated before, this is not a WKU-specific issue. Your players did exactly what needed to be done to take that win, and no one is taking it away from you. But if you thought that was a fairly called game by the refs, then I question either your eyesight or your bias.

(01-19-2020 12:48 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  In addition, wkufirst, you did not just beat us on the foul line. (Yes, WKU scored 24 points on free throws, and we only scored 11. But I will fully accept that this reflects your pristine brand of basketball compared to our thug-like approach.)

That's fine, but beside the point. Where you really beat us, especially in the last few minutes, was on turnovers. You turned us over 15 times. We only turned you over 12. Ordinarily, it is the playground bullies, not the kids in bowties, who win that battle.

Add to that the foul-out losses of both Jason Wade (two of his were total phantom calls) and Kalu Ezikpe (that last one was at least debatable). We just don't have the depth to recover from that. Those foul outs are more bothersome in view of by the non-calls on the three tie ups for which WKUYG was good enough to post clips. If the game had been called evenly, either those tie-ups would have been foul calls on WKU or Wade/Ezkipe (two of our tougher players) would still have been in the game.

As I've stated before, this is not a WKU-specific issue. Your players did exactly what needed to be done to take that win, and no one is taking it away from you. But if you thought that was a fairly called game by the refs, then I question either your eyesight or your bias.

So it’s just a coincidence that WKU has been a leader in these categories for the last three years? Man, we sure are lucky!

Terrible loss by Tech, No way UNT should have had enough time for last second shot if coached correctly.


Gotta hold serve at home especially against weak team

(01-19-2020 01:50 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Terrible loss by Tech, No way UNT should have had enough time for last second shot if coached correctly.


Gotta hold serve at home especially against weak team

I'm not saying we are a great team or even going to make the first pod, but I think at this point most would agree we are not one of the weaker basketball teams in C-USA.

Losing Isaiah Crawford to a season ending knee injury is a huge loss for Tech. Crawford hurt his knee at UTEP. We needed him badly last night against UNT, especially in a game when our guards were shooting so poorly. Good win for UNT.

(01-18-2020 10:52 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 09:13 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 07:46 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 07:44 PM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  Proud of the Green today. Didnt get to watch the game this time. Good game by both teams?

The good thing about espn+...replays.

there isn't a 'plus' that 'matters' when your first year anointed 'legendary' corch wins his first conference game with the flu bug at da howze.... .... that shite rivals 0 in '12 on the foosball field, guns....

it's hockey Blues time for nuts zongo....I'll start paying att'n again around the quarters in conf. play....

#uncle

I know what you mean because while Western is no where close to the dumpster fire of S. Miss. Stansbury needing to replace 8 to 10 players every year and those high ranking recruits he does sign dont show up or transfer out after one year...is getting to me. It's just not fun any more.

I pay $1,100 for a basketball season ticket and last year I missed more home games than in the previous 8 combined. This year I've made it to two home games. While this team is starting to actually be a fun team to watch and play for each other than me, me, me, like last year and early on this season....

setting aside 6 hours to go see them play, its a 2 hour drive for homes games. Especially when all are on espn+

Its got to be about as bad as it gets to be a S. Miss fan in basketball and even football. I've seen what S. Miss can be with the right coach. Fans turn out and it gets as loud as any place in CUSA.

Jay Ladner was not even a good coach at Southeastern Louisiana. Hiring him for the S. Miss job made zero sense. While Doc was not a bad coach. S. Miss needs to get someone young, with a drive to win. Someone with aau connections or at least great JUCO connections.

TheN there's football and S. Miss hires someone that is older instead of a you coach with a drive to move up and a hot exciting system. The only time you dont go with a young OC or position coach...if there a proven older coach with baggage. Other wise we dont get those proven coaches. Hell, should have welcomed Art Briles with open arms.

At schools in CUSA the only time you are going to get coaches like that...when they come with huge baggage. Like you I would just checkout because it's obvious the president or AD at S. Miss doesnt care.

like Obama, Bennett (southern miss prez) is nothing but an uncle tommie goon yes man...

until he's gone, #fanApathyAndDisgust is in da Rock/Yurt....

I can't pass judgement at this point with our first year AD....like Sadler, he inherited 'worst case scenario'....

yeah, it sucks being a southern miss fan today....

(01-18-2020 08:46 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 08:23 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  MT basketball should just start over. What a bad team...

Hope MTSU improves soon.

At least I have balance this season with Seton Hall being so good. I have almost given up on watching the Blue Raiders play... I do end up tuning in to every game, but it's almost masochistic to sit through the horrible games time after time. I have seen MT in person and on TV this year - doesn't matter how you watch it (or slice it)... still painful, and obvious that they are completely outmatched in all facets in pretty much every game.

(01-19-2020 12:48 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  As I've stated before, this is not a WKU-specific issue. Your players did exactly what needed to be done to take that win, and no one is taking it away from you. But if you thought that was a fairly called game by the refs, then I question either your eyesight or your bias.

Of course you have no bias. If it were a fairly called game you guys would have had to forfeit due to lack of players. Your guys were called for about half the fouls that they actually committed.

(01-19-2020 12:18 PM)wkufirst Wrote:  

(01-19-2020 11:10 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-19-2020 09:05 AM)wkufirst Wrote:  According to our stat guru zeke on are team boards...

“We are #37 in getting there the most often, #11 in team FT%, and #10 best in not sending opponents there, This is out of 353 teams. If I crunched the numbers (and I might, just for kicks), we might be #1 in total free throw advantage in the entire country.”

So this talk of Charlotte gets to the line too... sorry WKU is just better at it. And the stats back it up, out of 353 teams.

After watching the ODU / WKU and Charlotte / WKU games it is easy to see why WKU is #37 in getting to the line and even easier than that to see how they are #10 in not sending opponents there. Your stats are backing up our argument about the poor, one sided officiating in the last two WKU home games. They may climb to #1 after those two games.

Wrong. These stats were the same before the last two games and will likely remain for the rest of the season.

All the stats in the world don't mean that fouls aren't fouls, or that WKU is playing its typical "Matador" defense as WKU fans like to allege they play during games when WKU is scrambling and aggressively double teaming against the odds to overcome a significant deficit in the last minute. When ODU (or any team) has the ball and a 6 point lead against WKU with under a minute to go they just like any other team are doing everything they can to steal the in bounds pass, create a travel, or knock the ball loose. The refs typically in games during that situation have a quick whistle to call fouls on a reach in or with contact by the aggressive player hitting the arm or hand of the offensive player.

ODU is awful this season and Charlotte, WKU, and Marshall may all have done Monarch Nation a great favor by defeating them as it hopefully might hasten the replacement of coach Jones. Trust me when I say that I am honestly not upset at all about ODU losing the WKU game or any of the others I mentioned. I am however upset about what this conference has continued to become from how the conference tournament is handled, the conference TV money, the lack of a non streaming TV package like other conferences have, and in this case the 2nd rate (which is probably higher than they deserve to be called) officials working for the conference. Other than a few of their fans losing all objectivity while looking through their WKU red shaded glasses that suddenly causes them to not see what would otherwise be an obvious foul, I have no problem with WKU benefiting from the calls. It wasn't the WKU coach's fault, the WKU player's fault, or the fans in attendance fault. The non calls was all the fault of the shoddy refs. Though it appears to be unlikely, I would love to see if WKU had similar foul discrepancy totals if they had a return game to Norfolk this season, especially if ODU had a 6 or more point lead in the last minute of the game. I doubt very much that they would. Perhaps they will have a trip to Charlotte this season during pod play, so maybe that will be a good comparison.

(01-19-2020 03:17 PM)Hilltopper2K Wrote:  

(01-19-2020 12:48 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  As I've stated before, this is not a WKU-specific issue. Your players did exactly what needed to be done to take that win, and no one is taking it away from you. But if you thought that was a fairly called game by the refs, then I question either your eyesight or your bias.

Of course you have no bias. If it were a fairly called game you guys would have had to forfeit due to lack of players. Your guys were called for about half the fouls that they actually committed.

OK.

WKU never fouls ... even when trailing by multiple possessions in the last minute of the game and the other team has the ball.

ODU does nothing but foul, foul, foul, foul, foul ....

Does that sound about right to you?