Again, statistically we have led in these categories consistently for three years. So either it’s a direct reflection of our style of play or we have incredible luck with shoddy refs.
(01-19-2020 03:59 PM)wkufirst Wrote: Again, statistically we have led in these categories consistently for three years. So either it’s a direct reflection of our style of play or we have incredible luck with shoddy refs.
So WKU is usually down by 2 or 3 possessions and without the ball in the last minute of every game? Those statistics are meaningless in those instances.
(01-19-2020 03:59 PM)wkufirst Wrote: Again, statistically we have led in these categories consistently for three years. So either it’s a direct reflection of our style of play or we have incredible luck with shoddy refs.
So WKU is usually down by 2 or 3 possessions and without the ball in the last minute of every game? Those statistics are meaningless in those instances.
Actually during the stansbury years it is true. About half the time we are down by that mich then the players decide its time to play. I hate it as a fan.
(01-18-2020 08:23 PM)Ole Blue Wrote: MT basketball should just start over. What a bad team...
No worries. Keep your chin up. LA Tech --and its' horrible free throw shooting-- is coming to town! We'll make you guys feel good about yourselves and your team.
(01-19-2020 03:59 PM)wkufirst Wrote: Again, statistically we have led in these categories consistently for three years. So either it’s a direct reflection of our style of play or we have incredible luck with shoddy refs.
So WKU is usually down by 2 or 3 possessions and without the ball in the last minute of every game? Those statistics are meaningless in those instances.
Why? Do you think fouls shouldn't be called in the last minute?
2018.
20.9% of our points came from the line for #68 in the country
15% of opponents points came from the line for #344 in the country
2019
21.6% of our points came from the line for #41 in the country
15.2% of opponents points came from the line for #333 in the country
2020
22.8% of our points come from the line for #21 in the country
14.1% of opponents points come from the line for #331 in the country
So yeah, it’s not a trend. It only happened in home cooking over ODU king of the hackers and Charlotte the UVA wannabes.
This philosophy backfires at times like when we played at UAB and the refs called it like they had flights 30 minutes after the game. They assaulted and mauled us all night long and we shot 7-8 free throws. UAB hit 11-14.
But this is not some conspiracy against ODU and Charlotte. It’s what we do. I’m not even saying I like it. But it’s not against the rules to NOT FOUL on defense and watch guys shoot layups for the other team. It’s also not against the rules to dribble drive like Tayveion Hollingsworth and Josh Anderson do every game. Bassey was also a foul magnet before he got hurt.
Man we need cleanup up in Aisle ODU/Charlotte. Bring a big mop.
(01-18-2020 09:05 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote: That doesn't sell when the team is frantically pressing full court in the last minute down 6. They not only do foul, they did foul.
I don't blame or fault WKU, and no, Judy hasn't instructed the refs to favor WKU.
So then what is it? WKU just gets lucky? In 6 conference game WKU has attempted 142 FT’s to their opponents 71. So either WKU is cheating, it’s pure luck, or it’s the style we play, take your pick.
WKU certainly hasn’t been lucky the last two years in the CUSAT final. This should be your year, but we’ll see if Stansbury can actually coach you to the win. And make no mistake, ODU will be waiting for you to defend our title when the chips are really down.
Lol at the this should be our year comment. We lost a first team All-American big and are missing our senior PG that we were relying on to run the team. Two losses that NOBODY else in CUSA could survive. It speaks to the recruiting acumen of Stanz that we even have a shot. At full strength I would agree with you, but with the attrition it is certainly not ours to lose anymore. But I still wouldn’t count us out.
Down play all you want, but you know you’re the favorite. And, yes, I’ll agree with you that you most likely won’t be able to close this year again with the most talented team. Stansbury is an elite recruiter, but he can’t coach. His coaching performance last year against us proved that beyond a reasonable doubt.
Nice to know where we stand in your head. We start a 6’ 5” center, a freshman PG, and we don’t shoot it very well from deep. I, actually, like this team and think they are capable of winning it all, but if we are the favorite after losing our two most important players this conference is worse than I thought.
(01-19-2020 04:29 PM)dahbeed Wrote: 2018.
20.9% of our points came from the line for #68 in the country
15% of opponents points came from the line for #344 in the country
2019
21.6% of our points came from the line for #41 in the country
15.2% of opponents points came from the line for #333 in the country
2020
22.8% of our points come from the line for #21 in the country
14.1% of opponents points come from the line for #331 in the country
So yeah, it’s not a trend. It only happened in home cooking over ODU king of the hackers and Charlotte the UVA wannabes.
This philosophy backfires at times like when we played at UAB and the refs called it like they had flights 30 minutes after the game. They assaulted and mauled us all night long and we shot 7-8 free throws. UAB hit 11-14.
But this is not some conspiracy against ODU and Charlotte. It’s what we do. I’m not even saying I like it. But it’s not against the rules to NOT FOUL on defense and watch guys shoot layups for the other team. It’s also not against the rules to dribble drive like Tayveion Hollingsworth and Josh Anderson do every game. Bassey was also a foul magnet before he got hurt.
Man we need cleanup up in Aisle ODU/Charlotte. Bring a big mop.
WKU .... where what the team AVERAGED doing last year and the year before is proof that they didn't commit fouls in the final 60 - 120 seconds of a game last week when defeat was staring them in the face.
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(01-19-2020 04:29 PM)dahbeed Wrote: 2018.
20.9% of our points came from the line for #68 in the country
15% of opponents points came from the line for #344 in the country
2019
21.6% of our points came from the line for #41 in the country
15.2% of opponents points came from the line for #333 in the country
2020
22.8% of our points come from the line for #21 in the country
14.1% of opponents points come from the line for #331 in the country
So yeah, it’s not a trend. It only happened in home cooking over ODU king of the hackers and Charlotte the UVA wannabes.
This philosophy backfires at times like when we played at UAB and the refs called it like they had flights 30 minutes after the game. They assaulted and mauled us all night long and we shot 7-8 free throws. UAB hit 11-14.
But this is not some conspiracy against ODU and Charlotte. It’s what we do. I’m not even saying I like it. But it’s not against the rules to NOT FOUL on defense and watch guys shoot layups for the other team. It’s also not against the rules to dribble drive like Tayveion Hollingsworth and Josh Anderson do every game. Bassey was also a foul magnet before he got hurt.
Man we need cleanup up in Aisle ODU/Charlotte. Bring a big mop.
WKU .... where what the team AVERAGED doing last year and the year before is proof that they didn't commit fouls in the final 60 - 120 seconds of a game last week when defeat was staring them in the face.
Point me to a play where Western tried to foul a ODU play on purpose that wasnt called in those last 2 minutes? You tell me and I will put up the video. You can say so and so should have been called a foul. It's your opinion but that's not what I think you are arguing. I believe your argument in the above post...
Western was down so they had to foul and they tried to foul on purpose. Again if that's your argument tell at what point it happened and wasnt called?
(01-19-2020 04:29 PM)dahbeed Wrote: 2018.
20.9% of our points came from the line for #68 in the country
15% of opponents points came from the line for #344 in the country
2019
21.6% of our points came from the line for #41 in the country
15.2% of opponents points came from the line for #333 in the country
2020
22.8% of our points come from the line for #21 in the country
14.1% of opponents points come from the line for #331 in the country
So yeah, it’s not a trend. It only happened in home cooking over ODU king of the hackers and Charlotte the UVA wannabes.
This philosophy backfires at times like when we played at UAB and the refs called it like they had flights 30 minutes after the game. They assaulted and mauled us all night long and we shot 7-8 free throws. UAB hit 11-14.
But this is not some conspiracy against ODU and Charlotte. It’s what we do. I’m not even saying I like it. But it’s not against the rules to NOT FOUL on defense and watch guys shoot layups for the other team. It’s also not against the rules to dribble drive like Tayveion Hollingsworth and Josh Anderson do every game. Bassey was also a foul magnet before he got hurt.
Man we need cleanup up in Aisle ODU/Charlotte. Bring a big mop.
WKU .... where what the team AVERAGED doing last year and the year before is proof that they didn't commit fouls in the final 60 - 120 seconds of a game last week when defeat was staring them in the face.
Point me to a play where Western tried to foul a ODU play on purpose that wasnt called in those last 2 minutes? You tell me and I will put up the video. You can say so and so should have been called a foul. It's your opinion but that's not what I think you are arguing. I believe your argument in the above post...
Western was down so they had to foul and they tried to foul on purpose. Again if that's your argument tell at what point it happened and wasnt called?
Nope. Wasn't implying that WKU was for over the last minute continually trying to foul ODU and the refs would not call it. I'm saying that in their aggressiveness during the ending of the game while attempting to cut into a 6-10 point ODU lead they did commit fouls on several occasions that are typically whistled in short order, but oddly weren't in that game.
One such occasion is at the very beginning of the Video #2. WKU player #4 is holding (with his right hand) onto the arm of ODU player #11 who is trying to put the ball on the floor and dribble it into the front court. It is noticeable enough that it twists the ODU player around a bit as he is trying to break free from his grasp. No call. The same WKU player then reaches in again from almost behind the ODU player when he stops deep in the front court to get the oddly called jump ball which instead is typically called a reach in or hack in most instances in that same situation. I'm not even sure that the player even got a second hand on the ball at all to have some semblance of co-control of it. It doesn't matter. The foul should have been called in the back court with ODU's best free throw shooter going to the line. It also would have meant that if another jump ball did happen later, ODU would maintain possession.
Another was not covered on your 4 videos. ODU's Wade had the ball in his hands in the front court right near the mid-court stripe. He gets double teamed and is all but strip searched causing the ball to come loose and bouncing towards the WKU goal. No foul is called. Ironically enough, after one of the two WKU players picks up the loose ball and is heading in for a layup, Wade runs in front of the player and in the slow motion replay it didn't appear that any contact was made with the WKU player but Wade was whistled for his 4th foul. At least that is how I remember the replay from 3 days ago.
(01-18-2020 08:23 PM)Ole Blue Wrote: MT basketball should just start over. What a bad team...
No worries. Keep your chin up. LA Tech --and its' horrible free throw shooting-- is coming to town! We'll make you guys feel good about yourselves and your team.
Do you really think the Raiders have any chance of winning? I would be more surprised if they win a game in conference play than if they go winless. The team is basically a bunch of guards, and the best guard from last year has regressed significantly (Antonio Green).
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(01-19-2020 09:12 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote: All i know is, we are really bad, but still good enough to beat the "little duke", ODU.
Serious question: how sad is your life, to be feeling left out of this conversation?
How's it feel to lose to Marshall? Again?
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Somewhat expected. Kinsey is a superstar. West is very good. D'Antoni is a helluva coach. We're struggling.
I think you may have confused us for the self-pleasuring fans over at WKU.
I've been fueding with the ODU folk for some time. Just throwing some friendly jabs. In all honesty, this is the weakest cusa has been in basketball in some time. I'm embarrassed that somebody is going to get a bid to the tourney and get thrashed in the spotlight.
(01-19-2020 08:15 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: That's a generous offer. Post clips of the last two fouls called on Jason Wade. We'll compare them to the no calls on the three tie ups.
Here's the last 2:50 seconds
I dont have a video editor but did download the one I used to put about 11 clips I made with my phone. Phone clips are good size and clear. Not so much for this video....it was taking forever to download after putting all 11 clips on same board.
It starts after Western scored to cut the lead to 10 and after ODU wasted 20 or so seconds. Other clips I started after Western got the ball into front court. Most of ODU's clips with the ball are in full the last 2 minutes.
I will check play by play to find the time line on the fouls you want and will grab them. While Western might have got away with some touch fouls so did ODU though out the game. ODU also got away with a very clear walk for a easy 2 points. There's probably a good 5 calls on both sides in every game like the non-walk call.
(01-19-2020 12:48 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: As I've stated before, this is not a WKU-specific issue. Your players did exactly what needed to be done to take that win, and no one is taking it away from you. But if you thought that was a fairly called game by the refs, then I question either your eyesight or your bias.
Of course you have no bias. If it were a fairly called game you guys would have had to forfeit due to lack of players. Your guys were called for about half the fouls that they actually committed.
Some of the stuff written is correct. I think WKU plays to get to the foul line. But this last statement is bullsdiss. WKU got every one of them called and some that should have been called. Charlotte didn’t play the VCU type grab defense, but every time a Charlotte player contest a WKU player a whistle was blown.
(01-19-2020 08:15 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: That's a generous offer. Post clips of the last two fouls called on Jason Wade. We'll compare them to the no calls on the three tie ups.
5th foul and while you didnt see it as it was called live (didnt show a replay)...stop action you can see Wade come across the arm or hand. Foul or not we both know it's very very often called a foul when the ball is slapped from behind on a reach in.
4th foul the refs are behind the play and while its clear on the TV screen that Wade flew past Savage. Probably looked different to the ref behind the play.. slowed down from behind it actually looks like he might have hit Savage. Looks can be deceiving depending on where you are when you see it. From the other view, straight in, it looks like he flew past Savage
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