(12-24-2019 07:57 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote: (12-23-2019 12:24 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote: (12-22-2019 04:26 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote: (12-22-2019 02:35 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote: (12-22-2019 02:12 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote: Teams can push opposing lines around and still lose the game. To your point, at least an option attack mixes in some variety in ways they run the ball which causes problems for a defense. Everyone knew ISUr was going to turn around and hand the ball the Robinson and you still gave up 4 yards a carry and 160 yards. That is getting pushed around especially when you know exactly whats coming. That was also a week after giving up 171 to a Nichols team that had 4.2 yards a carry yet for some reason decided to throw the ball around. Credit to you guys from causing two picks but the defensive line especially the interior linemen were pushed around in that game as well.
Yep our defense really sucks balls. Keep harping on our rushing defense while ignoring total defense (2nd, 5 yards per game behind you guys) and the most important stat of all, scoring defense (1st, 3 points per game ahead of you guys).
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Where did I say your defense sucks balls? Never a good sign when you cant respond to facts without creating imaginary statements in your head. I simply said that your defense was pushed around and many bison fans would agree with me for your first two playoff games and SIU. (206 yards...yikes).
By the way, whats the first thing almost every single defensive coach at any level of football says they want to do in their game plan? Stop the run. If you have trouble stopping the run it makes it tough to do anything else so yes I will keep harping on your rush defense because it's arguably the most important part of a defensive scheme. Teams get away from the run when your offense is moving up and down the field on them but when you're in a back and forth game that could present problems
No, you didn’t say that, but you keep insisting we got pushed around against ISUr and cherry picking stats from that game and other games to try and prove that point. You’ll forgive me if that’s my takeaway. I’m not ignoring the facts you present either. Would I like us to be better against the run? Yes. But there’s more to defense than simply doing well against the run, I’m giving additional facts to show that (which you are conveniently ignoring). 2nd in total defense (right behind you) and 1st in scoring defense tell a more complete story.
In the 3 games you cherry picked in SIU, Nicholls, and ISU: We’ve allowed a total of 23 points, and 245 total yards per game (over 130 yards below those teams’ season averages). Maybe, and I know this is crazy, our defensive coaches have a pretty good idea of what they’re doing.
One last food for thought: 8 of our 15 opponents rank in the top 33 in FCS in rushing offense, while 4 of JMU’s opponents ranked even in the top 50. I don’t mention that to try and say our run D is as good as yours, because I think yours is the best. Just saying it’s possible that our run defense isn’t quite as bad as many would like to believe.
Yet again, please point out where i said your defense sucks or that you havent been dominant. I havent ignored anything you've stated nor made any claims that will run all over your team or anything outlandish but you seem to think that pointing out a perceived weakness is somehow insulting your manhood.
Taking three game (that happened in a row mind you) is not cherry picking stats, some may even call that a trend. If you think it is then i like how you also cherry picked stats to prove your point. Funny how that works. I wonder how many of those top 33 rush offenses got away from the run since you were likely up by a ton of points. That may also explain your top pass defensive stats. Although the more I look into it, you've played maybe 2 decent to good QBs all year. Gibbs gave you the most trouble and he only played a quarter.
Like i said in my first post, you can still get pushed around on the lines and win games even in dominant fashion. However, feel free to continue to be butthurt about it
“Please point out where I said your defense sucks……” I had said in my previous post you didn’t actually say that but that was my (incorrect) takeaway. Apparently I need to apologize for that. Profusely.
“…….or that you haven’t been dominant.” Please point out where you DID say that. You hadn’t said that up until this point. Or even good. Or decent. Or not bad. Maybe that’s what you meant when you credited us for causing two picks against Nicholls. (Believe it or not that’s not even my goal here to get anyone to say that, but I can see how the discussion feels that way.)
And no you didn’t say that you think you are going to run all over us, but I didn’t say you did, so I’m not sure why you seem defensive about that. Maybe we’re both making things up.
To me the main objectives for any defense are:
1. Prevent the other team from moving the ball (as best as possible)
2. Prevent the other team from converting 3rd downs (as best as possible)
3. Prevent the other team from scoring (as best as possible)
Handle #1 & #2, then #3 should take care of itself. Sure, choosing those stats is “cherry picking,” but I’m not sure what’s a better indication of success than those. For the aforementioned 3 game “trend” we gave up 245 yards per game, held teams to 11 for 34 on third down, and gave up 23 total points.
I liked your question about in how many of those games against top 33 rushing offenses did teams get away from the run because they were behind, so I went and looked. They didn’t.
4 of those games were over by halftime and the only ones I looked at. Run percentages for those teams against us, with reg. season % in (): 61% (71%), 66% (63%), 70% (54%), and 64% (64%).
I would guess those numbers are a combination of 3 things: 1. Having some success against us, 2. Sticking to what they do best to begin with (even after falling behind) 3. Respecting our pass defense, possibly even too much.
And I’m not butthurt at all. I’m enjoying this discussion, and looking forward to some fun times in Frisco with JMU fans, just like I had fun last time.
I’ll add this most important thing last: Merry Christmas to all on this board and your families. Also wish safe travels to all those going to Frisco!