Do any of you MAC fans want to talk to us GSU fans?


Very quit around here!

(12-09-2018 06:30 PM)easterneagles79 Wrote:  Honestly guys, let’s stop comparing GSU to Army offensively.

Not only are they much different schematically, but Army is also a much better and more effiecient offense. We were not light years away from beating Army, although they did control the pace of the game.

We are very different in many ways from Army. Still you will have to face a run based option attack.

(12-09-2018 06:39 PM)GSUsTALON Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 06:30 PM)easterneagles79 Wrote:  Honestly guys, let’s stop comparing GSU to Army offensively.

Not only are they much different schematically, but Army is also a much better and more effiecient offense. We were not light years away from beating Army, although they did control the pace of the game.

We are very different in many ways from Army. Still you will have to face a run based option attack.

Agreed. My point is simply with the fact that we hung with Army. At times we struggled with the offense, but for the most part we held our own and were essentially step for step with them the entire way.

You like stats, so...

Team efficiency rankings on ESPN:

Southern sits at 72 and Army sits at 49.

Southerns offensive YPG is ranked 115 and Army sits around 80

This isnt to say our offense is great, because its far from it... It's simply to show that like you said... yes, Army and GS are much different offensively in more ways than just scheme.

(12-09-2018 06:35 PM)GSUsTALON Wrote:  Do any of you MAC fans want to talk to us GSU fans?


Very quit around here!

StingEagle from the Flite Line http://www.gsufans.com

"Not feeling 40+ points. No team they've faced has scored more than 40. It's promising that Army came the closest and also the highest scoring with 37. Army is clicking like a well oiled machine, while we have yet to get to that point. On that note, I predict 31-21 good guys."

(12-09-2018 06:43 PM)easterneagles79 Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 06:39 PM)GSUsTALON Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 06:30 PM)easterneagles79 Wrote:  Honestly guys, let’s stop comparing GSU to Army offensively.

Not only are they much different schematically, but Army is also a much better and more effiecient offense. We were not light years away from beating Army, although they did control the pace of the game.

We are very different in many ways from Army. Still you will have to face a run based option attack.

Agreed. My point is simply with the fact that we hung with Army. At times we struggled with the offense, but for the most part we held our own and were essentially step for step with them the entire way.

You like stats, so...

Team efficiency rankings on ESPN:

Southern sits at 72 and Army sits at 49.

Southerns offensive YPG is ranked 115 and Army sits around 80

This isnt to say our offense is great, because its far from it... It's simply to show that like you said... yes, Army and GS are much different offensively in more ways than just scheme.

I think I said this in an earlier post. GSU is rebounding after 2 horrible years & 3 head coaches in those years. This year we are 9-3 and in a bowl. I'm very happy with our progress.

(12-09-2018 07:00 PM)GSUsTALON Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 06:43 PM)easterneagles79 Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 06:39 PM)GSUsTALON Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 06:30 PM)easterneagles79 Wrote:  Honestly guys, let’s stop comparing GSU to Army offensively.

Not only are they much different schematically, but Army is also a much better and more effiecient offense. We were not light years away from beating Army, although they did control the pace of the game.

We are very different in many ways from Army. Still you will have to face a run based option attack.

Agreed. My point is simply with the fact that we hung with Army. At times we struggled with the offense, but for the most part we held our own and were essentially step for step with them the entire way.

You like stats, so...

Team efficiency rankings on ESPN:

Southern sits at 72 and Army sits at 49.

Southerns offensive YPG is ranked 115 and Army sits around 80

This isnt to say our offense is great, because its far from it... It's simply to show that like you said... yes, Army and GS are much different offensively in more ways than just scheme.

I think I said this in an earlier post. GSU is rebounding after 2 horrible years & 3 head coaches in those years. This year we are 9-3 and in a bowl. I'm very happy with our progress.

Yeah, its definitely been a good turn around for you guys. But, just as you said we shouldnt compare GS to Army, we also shouldnt compare your team in the here in now to any of your past years.

2018 is all that matters when it comes to the game this coming Saturday.

Do any of you guys track advanced stats for your team?

Until Connelly puts his Advanced Statistical Profiles back up I can't look at EMU's stuff but I saw a stat the other day that intrigued me. It stated that your defense gives up 5+ yards on rushes 51.5% of the time. That's also referred to as Opportunity Rate. I believe S&P filters sacks out of that equation, which is why I'm curious to look. If that's true, that's a very good stat for us from my perspective. Just for reference, our Opportunity Rate for the season currently sits at 40%.

I have a feeling this has something to do with your defense being in "bend don't break" mode, but not counting Army, have ya'll played many teams that prefer to run the ball? I know spread/Air Raid teams that lean on passing a lot more tend to struggle in the redzone due to the compression of the field minimizing the route options, but a team like ours is fine with that because we're going to grind you as much as possible.

I'm also curious to know what your Points per Opportunity (average points scored when inside the opponents 40) are on both offense and defense. Ours are currently 5.41 PPO offensively and 4.25 PPO on defense. This means we are scoring ~1.2 more points per trip inside the 40 than our opponents. Since we're allowing less opportunities as well, these add up. Our defense is bend don't break as well, but tends to be more disruptive at times. We also have some very good corners and safety play is really good as well.

There's several other things I want to look at, but those are just a couple I've checked out so far.

Once again, hope there's a lot of fans headed down. Not quite sure how the weather is going to tilt yet, but at a minimum it'll be a little chilly (at least for us Southerners). Hope everyone traveling down has a safe trip.

(12-09-2018 06:35 PM)GSUsTALON Wrote:  Do any of you MAC fans want to talk to us GSU fans?


Very quit around here!

No. We're quiet for a reason.......we're ignoring you.......hint.....hint.

Take your annoying stat blathering back to your own board, and reguritate it between yourselves until you're blue in the face.

Thanks. No hard feelings.

(12-09-2018 08:44 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  Do any of you guys track advanced stats for your team?

Until Connelly puts his Advanced Statistical Profiles back up I can't look at EMU's stuff but I saw a stat the other day that intrigued me. It stated that your defense gives up 5+ yards on rushes 51.5% of the time. That's also referred to as Opportunity Rate. I believe S&P filters sacks out of that equation, which is why I'm curious to look. If that's true, that's a very good stat for us from my perspective. Just for reference, our Opportunity Rate for the season currently sits at 40%.

I have a feeling this has something to do with your defense being in "bend don't break" mode, but not counting Army, have ya'll played many teams that prefer to run the ball? I know spread/Air Raid teams that lean on passing a lot more tend to struggle in the redzone due to the compression of the field minimizing the route options, but a team like ours is fine with that because we're going to grind you as much as possible.

I'm also curious to know what your Points per Opportunity (average points scored when inside the opponents 40) are on both offense and defense. Ours are currently 5.41 PPO offensively and 4.25 PPO on defense. This means we are scoring ~1.2 more points per trip inside the 40 than our opponents. Since we're allowing less opportunities as well, these add up. Our defense is bend don't break as well, but tends to be more disruptive at times. We also have some very good corners and safety play is really good as well.

There's several other things I want to look at, but those are just a couple I've checked out so far.

Once again, hope there's a lot of fans headed down. Not quite sure how the weather is going to tilt yet, but at a minimum it'll be a little chilly (at least for us Southerners). Hope everyone traveling down has a safe trip.

I didn't know you were into the deep dark side of stats, Wrath!
Looking at both the GSU/EM offense & Defense are you saying -

GSU> EM

(12-09-2018 08:44 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  Do any of you guys track advanced stats for your team?

Until Connelly puts his Advanced Statistical Profiles back up I can't look at EMU's stuff but I saw a stat the other day that intrigued me. It stated that your defense gives up 5+ yards on rushes 51.5% of the time. That's also referred to as Opportunity Rate. I believe S&P filters sacks out of that equation, which is why I'm curious to look. If that's true, that's a very good stat for us from my perspective. Just for reference, our Opportunity Rate for the season currently sits at 40%.

I have a feeling this has something to do with your defense being in "bend don't break" mode, but not counting Army, have ya'll played many teams that prefer to run the ball? I know spread/Air Raid teams that lean on passing a lot more tend to struggle in the redzone due to the compression of the field minimizing the route options, but a team like ours is fine with that because we're going to grind you as much as possible.

I'm also curious to know what your Points per Opportunity (average points scored when inside the opponents 40) are on both offense and defense. Ours are currently 5.41 PPO offensively and 4.25 PPO on defense. This means we are scoring ~1.2 more points per trip inside the 40 than our opponents. Since we're allowing less opportunities as well, these add up. Our defense is bend don't break as well, but tends to be more disruptive at times. We also have some very good corners and safety play is really good as well.

There's several other things I want to look at, but those are just a couple I've checked out so far.

Once again, hope there's a lot of fans headed down. Not quite sure how the weather is going to tilt yet, but at a minimum it'll be a little chilly (at least for us Southerners). Hope everyone traveling down has a safe trip.

Easier to stop the run when an entire offense is built around it. Our run did wasn't that great but, like others have said, they did a good job of keeping teams out of the end zone.

Also note that just a few weeks ago our D held Akron to about 90 yards...for the game.

Any updates on Glass or is that mums the word? The GSU staff must have their hands full preparing for what amounts to two different offenses.

(12-09-2018 08:57 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 06:35 PM)GSUsTALON Wrote:  Do any of you MAC fans want to talk to us GSU fans?


Very quit around here!

No. We're quiet for a reason.......we're ignoring you.......hint.....hint.

Take your annoying stat blathering back to your own board, and reguritate it between yourselves until you're blue in the face.

Thanks. No hard feelings.

blathering?

If you are upset with our limited blathering you must be seething.

(12-09-2018 09:22 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 08:44 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  Do any of you guys track advanced stats for your team?

Until Connelly puts his Advanced Statistical Profiles back up I can't look at EMU's stuff but I saw a stat the other day that intrigued me. It stated that your defense gives up 5+ yards on rushes 51.5% of the time. That's also referred to as Opportunity Rate. I believe S&P filters sacks out of that equation, which is why I'm curious to look. If that's true, that's a very good stat for us from my perspective. Just for reference, our Opportunity Rate for the season currently sits at 40%.

I have a feeling this has something to do with your defense being in "bend don't break" mode, but not counting Army, have ya'll played many teams that prefer to run the ball? I know spread/Air Raid teams that lean on passing a lot more tend to struggle in the redzone due to the compression of the field minimizing the route options, but a team like ours is fine with that because we're going to grind you as much as possible.

I'm also curious to know what your Points per Opportunity (average points scored when inside the opponents 40) are on both offense and defense. Ours are currently 5.41 PPO offensively and 4.25 PPO on defense. This means we are scoring ~1.2 more points per trip inside the 40 than our opponents. Since we're allowing less opportunities as well, these add up. Our defense is bend don't break as well, but tends to be more disruptive at times. We also have some very good corners and safety play is really good as well.

There's several other things I want to look at, but those are just a couple I've checked out so far.

Once again, hope there's a lot of fans headed down. Not quite sure how the weather is going to tilt yet, but at a minimum it'll be a little chilly (at least for us Southerners). Hope everyone traveling down has a safe trip.

Easier to stop the run when an entire offense is built around it. Our run did wasn't that great but, like others have said, they did a good job of keeping teams out of the end zone.

Also note that just a few weeks ago our D held Akron to about 90 yards...for the game.

"Easier to stop the run when an entire offense is built around it." you mean like Army?


What's an Akron?

(12-09-2018 09:24 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Any updates on Glass or is that mums the word? The GSU staff must have their hands full preparing for what amounts to two different offenses.

Not really.

Fans from the GSU board are welcome here and should be treated with respect as long as they do the same. Let's at least keep it cordial, well, as much as is reasonably possible anyway.

(12-09-2018 09:49 PM)DocBluez Wrote:  Fans from the GSU board are welcome here and should be treated with respect as long as they do the same. Let's at least keep it cordial, well, as much as is reasonably possible anyway.

No probs here Doc, with a little tit for tat. A bowl is on the line.

Looks like many of the GSU fans will be at the Aviator bar on Friday.

Is this where the EM fans will be hanging out?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ3oHpup-pk

(12-09-2018 09:24 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Any updates on Glass or is that mums the word? The GSU staff must have their hands full preparing for what amounts to two different offenses.

Glass will play.

In an attempt to bring some levity to TALON's one-man assault on your board, let me say this...

I think that EMU and GS have very different styles, yet seem to play similar games. From the bend-don't-break defenses to the offenses that have flashes of brilliance, but are mostly counted on to just not screw up and find points wherever possible, it seems like the game plans will be similar even if the alignments won't be.

I haven't studied EMU's games enough to know trends on how most of your games have gone, but I feel confident saying that your best chance to control the game is to make plays early. Even in our best performances, we're notoriously slow in getting our offense going. It's a point of contention for our fans but I (probably over-optimistically) view it as a 20-plus year option OC knowing when to take his shots and feeling out the defense for as long as possible before making his moves.

Field position is also big for Georgia Southern. Even when our offense hasn't scored, we've done pretty well about getting a first down or two and flipping the field. Our defense seems to challenge opponents to string together 12-15 positive plays in a row if they want to score. If we make a big first down play to get teams off schedule or if offenses get tired of checkdowns and force something, that's where the huge turnover differential shows up.

Back on the GS offensive side, our fans wish that there would be more explosive runs each game, but the OL doesn't currently allow for that. They aren't awful, but asking them to just do the basics with their fourth OC in as many years is about all that can be expected. That said, there's plenty of gamebreaking potential at all the skill positions, so any extended drive that starts to wear on a defense becomes a ticking time bomb for someone to get an extra few inches of space and break free.

And that plays into the one thing that I think will be the difference IF Georgia Southern ends up winning this game. If the blocking does enough to extend drives and churn out 250 or more on the ground, the stats would predict that Georgia Southern will find a few big plays through the air. Werts is far from a gunslinger, but he's progressed enough this year to where he can make the occasional clutch throw on third down and he rarely misses a read when safeties bite on the run and receivers run free up the seams.

(12-09-2018 10:30 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 09:24 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Any updates on Glass or is that mums the word? The GSU staff must have their hands full preparing for what amounts to two different offenses.

Glass will play.

If true that’s huge. He will absolutely be able to change the game on his own if he is healthy and effective. The problem is going to be with how the staff handles Wiegers when and if Glass plays. Being a senior, I’m sure they will try and play him to some extent. Unfortunately from watching pleanty of games this year, when the staff attempts to rotate the two, our offense really bogs down when Glass is not in the game.