(09-20-2017 06:10 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 03:56 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  Liberty has a far weaker resume than any other call up in recent memory. That's what it really comes down to, the rest is all extra.

This right here. For all the money they have their accomplishments in FCS aren't super impressive, and basketball isn't bad, but not good enough to give any real boost to the conference.

If Liberty wants a conference home, they start showing they can play great football and people will overlook all the controversial stuff.

GS didn't have a conference home in the 80s, but after we won 4 national championships, the snobs over in the SoCon finally decided to let us in the club.

Here we have a sound and a logical argument based on athletic performance. Not merely a prejudiced opinion.

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(09-20-2017 07:59 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 11:58 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 08:15 PM)airtroop Wrote:  Just a couple of quotes from the article... click this link to read in its entirety:

Quote:Liberty University chancellor Jerry Falwell Jr. leaves no doubt about where he stands on most issues. He's outspokenly conservative, ardently Pro-Life and a dedicated supporter of President Trump.

So perhaps it shouldn't have come as a surprise that he expressed a pretty sharp opinion on the recent revelation that Conference USA turned down a $24 million offer from Liberty last fall to join the league.

I broke the story in a column that ran in The Virginian-Pilot on Sept. 8.

Falwell Tweeted a link to my story with the following comment: "Few bigoted U pres big on diversity & inclusion (except 4 conservatives) vetoed LU from Sun Belt, CUSA. It backfired... "

SNIP!!!

Quote:"... An interesting aside: You can draw the inference from Falwell's Tweet that Liberty made the same $24 million offer to the Sun Belt Conference, which also turned down the Flames. If true, it's a startling revelation. ..."

He also goes on to point out all of the MANY private schools have held membership in C-USA... interesting read in the middle of the week anyway.

Sorry Jerry, you might live in Jerrys world in Lynchburg VA. That's a great place for Liberty "Lynchburg", its something I'm sure he wouldn't mind seeing come back. But others already in a conference don't need you to pay to play since we seem to already own the game and are playing quite will without a snot nosed egotistical right winged propaganda outfit you call a university. You can't call yourself a university when you teach creationism as a science class and force students to attend regular brainwashing meetings once a week.

Also isn't bribery a crime, that's what he attempted to do with both CUSA and The Sun Belt. Why did he stop there, why not try for the ACC, B12 or even SEC. Or B10 for that matter.

The whole creationism is what really gets me. Teach it as a religion all you want, but going about it like it is a science should be enough to lose accreditation and not even be considered a university.

As opposed to the scientific facts behind the Big Bang THEORY of how the universe began.

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(09-20-2017 10:15 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  I find it amusing people denounce Creationism yet expect people to believe, without one ounce of proof, the universe formed out of nothing.

I believe in God. I also believe in science through empirical evidence. The Big Bang Theory is the most prevalent scientific theory for the creation of the universe. It does not say that the universe came from nothing but rather the whole universe came from a singular point. Astronomers have observed the path that galaxies move through space and have observed that all the galaxies that we can see are moving away from the same point in space. I don't see how that excludes God from creating the galaxies. "In the beginning there was nothing but God and God said let there be light and there was light." Sounds an awful lot like the Big Bang to me.

(09-20-2017 10:15 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  You want me to believe the complexity of the human body, the perfection of the seasons and the order of the universe all happened by happenstance. I'd like to see the mathematical equasion to figure those odds.

I'm not saying it happened by accident. I still believe in a grand design because ALL life is complex, not just the human body which further goes into how all living organisms are related but more on that later. The seasons are caused by the tilt of the Earth's axis and some parts of the world don't experience seasons. If you want the mathematical equation to determine the odds of life existing in the universe, watch this:

(09-20-2017 10:15 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Then there's Darwin's theory of evolution. Key word being theory. No proof, no facts and most importantly no speciation in the fossil record. That's not to say animals and organisms can't adapt and change with their environment. But to teach all life on this planet developed from some self-replicating molecule is borderline insane.

I'm not sure what you mean by "no proof, no facts" because there are actually tons of experiments and observations that back up the theory of evolution. We observe how viruses evolve over short periods of time. That's the reason people get flu shots every year because every year or so the virus mutates and the antibodies in the previous year's vaccine aren't equipped to fight the mutation. I think it's strange that you find cells replicating DNA and dividing (which you can actually observe yourself through a microscope) is more far-fetch than the idea that big man in the sky coughed and there was Adam. I suppose next you'll be telling me the Earth is flat and NASA is lying to us because they hate Jesus. For more watch this:




I know none of this is going to change your firmly held beliefs and if this is going too far, then mods please delete this post. God's design is more complex and far less anthropocentric (centered around humans) than we could possibly ever imagine. I'll leave you with a great Neil DeGrasse Tyson quote: "The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it."

(09-20-2017 10:15 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 12:39 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 12:17 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 09:03 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  It has nothing to do with their stance on homosexuality for me. They have required classes in creationism and evangelism. There's a student code of conduct called "the Liberty Way" that bans cursing, dancing, r-rated movies, pornography, and hugs that last longer than 3 seconds, and establishes a curfew where students have to ask permission to leave campus. Liberty exists for the sole purpose of indoctrination not education (unlike TCU, Baylor, ND, etc) and the part that I have the biggest problem with is that Falwell uses the university has both a platform and a purse to push his views into mainstream politics. If you want to accuse me of hating them just for their views on homosexuality so be it, but like I said earlier, there's a difference between hold Christian conservative beliefs and being an @$$hole.

As a private school Liberty can teach whatever they please. Nobody holds a gun to anyone's head making them attend. I suppose you believe the government is far better suited than parents to decide what the want their children to be taught and how to conduct their lives. The government mandated public education systems have been indoctrinating children for 60 years. Lastly, who is and isn't an ahole is a matter of opinion.

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I'm aware they can teach whatever they want. That's exactly what they're doing. If the governement is teaching factual science and mathematics and how to think for oneself and form an opinion while parents want to teach someone how to reject empirical thought and blindly believe and do what they're told, then yes I'll definitely take the government over someone's uneducated parents. If the government has been indoctrinating kids for 60 years and the US has the strongest economy the world has ever seen, then I'll definitely take the government education. Yes please.

Give me a break. Everyone has different opinions and is entitled to do so. If the government was really trying to train everyone to think the same way, why is there still such a divide in this country? At our supposedly "liberal" colleges no one is forced to take liberalism 101 or burn a cop car for extra credit. Meanwhile at Liberty, there are mandated classes that push religious and political beliefs that students must accept to pass.

Jerry Falwell Jr is playing the victim card by saying that people who don't agree with his extremist Evangelical views are part of the "intolerant left" but some of those views at their very core are intolerable. Does he have the right to hold those views? Yes. Does he have the right to scream intolerance when he doesn't get his way because we hold different opinions? No.

It's essentially like a school bully who calls everyone in the class names and then cries and calls all the kids mean when nobody wants to be his friend.

You give me a break. What Liberty is doing is no different than those on the "exterme left" pushing their agenda. I find it amusing people denounce Creationism yet expect people to believe, without one ounce of proof, the universe formed out of nothing. You want me to believe the complexity of the human body, the perfection of the seasons and the order of the universe all happened by happenstance. I'd like to see the mathematical equasion to figure those odds. Then there's Darwin's theory of evolution. Key word being theory. No proof, no facts and most importantly no speciation in the fossil record. That's not to say animals and organisms can't adapt and change with their environment. But to teach all life on this planet developed from some self-replicating molecule is borderline insane. Still, what each of us believes or doesn't believe should not factor into who we play in an athletic contest..

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You can find any number of credible scientists who will concede that sure it is possible there is a God who created the universe via a big bang but those scientists aren't eligible to work at Liberty because Liberty insists the entire universe is aproximately 6000 years old which flies in the face of all evidence.

(09-20-2017 11:34 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  If this is too much, mods please delete:[/b]

(09-20-2017 10:15 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  I find it amusing people denounce Creationism yet expect people to believe, without one ounce of proof, the universe formed out of nothing.

I believe in God. I also believe in science through empirical evidence. The Big Bang Theory is the most prevalent scientific theory for the creation of the universe. It does not say that the universe came from nothing but rather the whole universe came from a singular point. Astronomers have observed the path that galaxies move through space and have observed that all the galaxies that we can see are moving away from the same point in space. I don't see how that excludes God from creating the galaxies. "In the beginning there was nothing but God and God said let there be light and there was light." Sounds an awful lot like the Big Bang to me.

(09-20-2017 10:15 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  You want me to believe the complexity of the human body, the perfection of the seasons and the order of the universe all happened by happenstance. I'd like to see the mathematical equasion to figure those odds.

I'm not saying it happened by accident. I still believe in a grand design because ALL life is complex, not just the human body which further goes into how all living organisms are related but more on that later. The seasons are caused by the tilt of the Earth's axis and some parts of the world don't experience seasons. If you want the mathematical equation to determine the odds of life existing in the universe, watch this:

(09-20-2017 10:15 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Then there's Darwin's theory of evolution. Key word being theory. No proof, no facts and most importantly no speciation in the fossil record. That's not to say animals and organisms can't adapt and change with their environment. But to teach all life on this planet developed from some self-replicating molecule is borderline insane.

I'm not sure what you mean by "no proof, no facts" because there are actually tons of experiments and observations that back up the theory of evolution. We observe how viruses evolve over short periods of time. That's the reason people get flu shots every year because every year or so the virus mutates and the antibodies in the previous year's vaccine aren't equipped to fight the mutation. I think it's strange that you find cells replicating DNA and dividing (which you can actually observe yourself through a microscope) is more far-fetch than the idea that big man in the sky coughed and there was Adam. I suppose next you'll be telling me the Earth is flat and NASA is lying to us because they hate Jesus. For more watch this:




I know none of this is going to change your firmly held beliefs and if this is going too far, then mods please delete this post. God's design is more complex and far less anthropocentric (centered around humans) than we could possibly ever imagine. I'll leave you with a great Neil DeGrasse Tyson quote: "The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it."

During the Scopes "Monkey" Trial Clarence Darrow called his opposing counsel William Jennings Bryan to the stand.

Bryan rejected the idea that man evolved from lower forms of life and John Scopes was being tried for teaching that it had in violation of Tennessee law.

To undermine Bryan, Darrow began questioning Bryan on the age of the earth and the age of the universe. Bryan batted those questions away arguing that the Biblical account did not conflict with science since the lifetime of a man is but a vapor before God's eyes, a day for God could be decades, centuries or millenniums.

The sole point of contention was the lack of concrete evidence that humankind came into existence via evolution from lower forms. Bryan like the majority of Christians in 1925 did not contend that the earth was millions or billions of years old.

In the early 20th Century only Seventh Day Adventists and a subset of Lutherans widely accepted the idea that the earth was only thousands of years old. Evangelicals didn't start widely embracing the idea until the 1960's.

First, kudos to the board mods for letting this thread run.

Second, JFJr acts like a bozo at times. JR, the expression don't poop where you want to eat applies here.

Third, the ironic part of this thread is it's true. LU was bypassed by some FCS teams less ready than LU, but LU's political-social-religious baggage chilled LU's acceptance.

Fourth, this is why LU will be the "can't lose" on all SBC games. It just builds for great game build up and game day atmosphere.

Jr's kick in the nuts to SBC and C-USA schools was dumb, stupid and idiotic. Such is the plight of a LU fan who enjoys the schools athletics without drinking the schools Kool Aid.

(09-20-2017 12:23 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 12:17 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 09:03 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  It has nothing to do with their stance on homosexuality for me. They have required classes in creationism and evangelism. There's a student code of conduct called "the Liberty Way" that bans cursing, dancing, r-rated movies, pornography, and hugs that last longer than 3 seconds, and establishes a curfew where students have to ask permission to leave campus. Liberty exists for the sole purpose of indoctrination not education (unlike TCU, Baylor, ND, etc) and the part that I have the biggest problem with is that Falwell uses the university has both a platform and a purse to push his views into mainstream politics. If you want to accuse me of hating them just for their views on homosexuality so be it, but like I said earlier, there's a difference between hold Christian conservative beliefs and being an @$$hole.

As a private school Liberty can teach whatever they please. Nobody holds a gun to anyone's head making them attend. I suppose you believe the government is far better suited than parents to decide what the want their children to be taught and how to conduct their lives. The government mandated public education systems have been indoctrinating children for 60 years. Lastly, who is and isn't an ahole is a matter of opinion.

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I suppose he isn't familiar with Meredith College or Brigham-Young University.

To your point about Liberty being able to teach whatever they please, I would imagine many students choose Universities and courses that reaffirm their belief set more often than not. A course on creationism and evangelism is going to be known to the student prior to accepting an offer of attendance, and that student has likely already been indoctrinated by the Evangelic Baptist movement. It is extremely similar to UC Berkley's stance on free speech except when that free speech isn't in lock step with the ideological belief of what truly is mainstream. In central Virginia, in and around Lynchburg, what is taught at Liberty isn't out of the mainstream politics.

The only reason Virginia ever turns red is because of probably 3 counties in Northern Virginia and the tide water area. The rest of the state is rather blue.

You got your colors mixed up. Virginia goes blue because the places people live tend to vote that way.

(09-21-2017 04:11 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  First, kudos to the board mods for letting this thread run.

Second, JFJr acts like a bozo at times. JR, the expression don't poop where you want to eat applies here.

Third, the ironic part of this thread is it's true. LU was bypassed by some FCS teams less ready than LU, but LU's political-social-religious baggage chilled LU's acceptance.

Fourth, this is why LU will be the "can't lose" on all SBC games. It just builds for great game build up and game day atmosphere.

Jr's kick in the nuts to SBC and C-USA schools was dumb, stupid and idiotic. Such is the plight of a LU fan who enjoys the schools athletics without drinking the schools Kool Aid.

Pump the brakes, LU was passed over by App St, GS, and CCU. All three of those programs were light years ahead of where Liberty was.

(09-20-2017 11:34 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  If this is too much, mods please delete:[/b]

(09-20-2017 10:15 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  I find it amusing people denounce Creationism yet expect people to believe, without one ounce of proof, the universe formed out of nothing.

I believe in God. I also believe in science through empirical evidence. The Big Bang Theory is the most prevalent scientific theory for the creation of the universe. It does not say that the universe came from nothing but rather the whole universe came from a singular point. Astronomers have observed the path that galaxies move through space and have observed that all the galaxies that we can see are moving away from the same point in space. I don't see how that excludes God from creating the galaxies. "In the beginning there was nothing but God and God said let there be light and there was light." Sounds an awful lot like the Big Bang to me.

(09-20-2017 10:15 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  You want me to believe the complexity of the human body, the perfection of the seasons and the order of the universe all happened by happenstance. I'd like to see the mathematical equasion to figure those odds.

I'm not saying it happened by accident. I still believe in a grand design because ALL life is complex, not just the human body which further goes into how all living organisms are related but more on that later. The seasons are caused by the tilt of the Earth's axis and some parts of the world don't experience seasons. If you want the mathematical equation to determine the odds of life existing in the universe, watch this:

(09-20-2017 10:15 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Then there's Darwin's theory of evolution. Key word being theory. No proof, no facts and most importantly no speciation in the fossil record. That's not to say animals and organisms can't adapt and change with their environment. But to teach all life on this planet developed from some self-replicating molecule is borderline insane.

I'm not sure what you mean by "no proof, no facts" because there are actually tons of experiments and observations that back up the theory of evolution. We observe how viruses evolve over short periods of time. That's the reason people get flu shots every year because every year or so the virus mutates and the antibodies in the previous year's vaccine aren't equipped to fight the mutation. I think it's strange that you find cells replicating DNA and dividing (which you can actually observe yourself through a microscope) is more far-fetch than the idea that big man in the sky coughed and there was Adam. I suppose next you'll be telling me the Earth is flat and NASA is lying to us because they hate Jesus. For more watch this:




I know none of this is going to change your firmly held beliefs and if this is going too far, then mods please delete this post. God's design is more complex and far less anthropocentric (centered around humans) than we could possibly ever imagine. I'll leave you with a great Neil DeGrasse Tyson quote: "The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it."

I'm far from a theologian, but the Bible I read does not say there was nothing. It says God created the heavens and the earth. Heavens meaning the galaxies and solar systems, not Heaven where He, angels and the saints reside. BTW, I don't know how old the Earth is and I seriously doubt anyoine else does either. Who started the clock? Yes we know there were dinosaurs and early beings who didn't look much like we do today. So in a sense I do think man and creatures evolve over a period of time. The Bible also says when Cain was made a "fugitive" and "wanderer" he was afraid those he met would kill him. He also married a woman, so where did those people come from? Nobody knows the time frame between all these happening.

My issue with a lot of scientific "fact" is it's based on theory. We know water boils and ice melts at a certain temps. Those are easily proven facts, but just because scientist believe the universe is expanding that is no proof of a Big Bang Theory. You mentioned the angle of the Earth in relationship to the seasons. Science wants you to believe that was all happen stance. The Big Bang flung all this mater out into the expanse of space and the glob we know as Earth just happened to latch onto our sun at just the right distance and just the right angle to create the water, oxygen and the seasons capeable of sustaining life. To me that is far more difficult to accept than Creation. It's a funny assertion, but the age old question remains unanswered. If humans came from apes why are there still apes? I just can't accept some single cell organism living in water miraciously grew legs, crawwled out of the muck, replaced his gills with lungs, began strolling around on the ground and is the basis for every living creature on the planet. That takes quite an imagination.
At the end of the day it's all about faith and belief. Obviously we're not all going to agree, but I still maintain it's no reason to avoid playing some athletic contests. I'm done with this. Y'all have a nice day.

(09-21-2017 06:49 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  I'm far from a theologian, but the Bible I read does not say there was nothing. It says God created the heavens and the earth. Heavens meaning the galaxies and solar systems, not Heaven where He, angels and the saints reside. BTW, I don't know how old the Earth is and I seriously doubt anyoine else does either. Who started the clock? Yes we know there were dinosaurs and early beings who didn't look much like we do today. So in a sense I do think man and creatures evolve over a period of time. The Bible also says when Cain was made a "fugitive" and "wanderer" he was afraid those he met would kill him. He also married a woman, so where did those people come from? Nobody knows the time frame between all these happening.

My issue with a lot of scientific "fact" is it's based on theory. We know water boils and ice melts at a certain temps. Those are easily proven facts, but just because scientist believe the universe is expanding that is no proof of a Big Bang Theory. You mentioned the angle of the Earth in relationship to the seasons. Science wants you to believe that was all happen stance. The Big Bang flung all this mater out into the expanse of space and the glob we know as Earth just happened to latch onto our sun at just the right distance and just the right angle to create the water, oxygen and the seasons capeable of sustaining life. To me that is far more difficult to accept than Creation. It's a funny assertion, but the age old question remains unanswered. If humans came from apes why are there still apes? I just can't accept some single cell organism living in water miraciously grew legs, crawwled out of the muck, replaced his gills with lungs, began strolling around on the ground and is the basis for every living creature on the planet. That takes quite an imagination.
At the end of the day it's all about faith and belief. Obviously we're not all going to agree, but I still maintain it's no reason to avoid playing some athletic contests. I'm done with this. Y'all have a nice day.

(09-20-2017 10:37 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 07:59 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 11:58 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 08:15 PM)airtroop Wrote:  Just a couple of quotes from the article... click this link to read in its entirety:

Quote:Liberty University chancellor Jerry Falwell Jr. leaves no doubt about where he stands on most issues. He's outspokenly conservative, ardently Pro-Life and a dedicated supporter of President Trump.

So perhaps it shouldn't have come as a surprise that he expressed a pretty sharp opinion on the recent revelation that Conference USA turned down a $24 million offer from Liberty last fall to join the league.

I broke the story in a column that ran in The Virginian-Pilot on Sept. 8.

Falwell Tweeted a link to my story with the following comment: "Few bigoted U pres big on diversity & inclusion (except 4 conservatives) vetoed LU from Sun Belt, CUSA. It backfired... "

SNIP!!!

Quote:"... An interesting aside: You can draw the inference from Falwell's Tweet that Liberty made the same $24 million offer to the Sun Belt Conference, which also turned down the Flames. If true, it's a startling revelation. ..."

He also goes on to point out all of the MANY private schools have held membership in C-USA... interesting read in the middle of the week anyway.

Sorry Jerry, you might live in Jerrys world in Lynchburg VA. That's a great place for Liberty "Lynchburg", its something I'm sure he wouldn't mind seeing come back. But others already in a conference don't need you to pay to play since we seem to already own the game and are playing quite will without a snot nosed egotistical right winged propaganda outfit you call a university. You can't call yourself a university when you teach creationism as a science class and force students to attend regular brainwashing meetings once a week.

Also isn't bribery a crime, that's what he attempted to do with both CUSA and The Sun Belt. Why did he stop there, why not try for the ACC, B12 or even SEC. Or B10 for that matter.

The whole creationism is what really gets me. Teach it as a religion all you want, but going about it like it is a science should be enough to lose accreditation and not even be considered a university.

As opposed to the scientific facts behind the Big Bang THEORY of how the universe began.

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Your capitalization of the word "theory" demonstrates your lack of understanding as to what a scientific theory even is. If you want to argue against something, that is certainly your right so feel free, but you should always take the time to educate yourself on the subject first.

You may or may not be correct about the big bang, but you're definitely incorrect in using the word "theory" to suggest that it is nothing more than a hypothesis.

Read the first two paragraphs and you'll understand what is meant by the word theory, when speaking in scientific terms: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

Thoroughly enjoying the discussion in this thread. For the record, the "Young Earth" position of creationism has traditionally been the predominant theory taught in Creationism classes at LU for decades. Most at LU don't feel the age of creation is significant. The time period is only relevant if you require it for your theory to be correct. Intelligent Design doesn't.

What any of this has to do with scheduling football games against each other on a few random fall Saturdays is beyond me.

My beef is with the idea that Liberty should be excluded because they have too much money as a private school. Let me get this straight, public schools have a gravy train from state tax dollars funneled into their coffers that private schools do not access. All schools have the ability to generate revenue through how they market their educational resources. So a school without the benefit of tax dollars being driven directly into their operating budget is excluded because it was more creative than other schools in developing curriculum to meet the changing needs of the marketplace? Every school currently in the Sun Belt had the oppoortunity and squandered it in spite of tax dollars being at their disposal. Now every school in the league is playing catch-up and crying foul. That to me is more indicative of the problems in the Sun Belt than liberal elites not wanting diverse viewpoints in their club.

No Liberty fan would ever question App State & Georgia Southern's worthiness as candidates. The Statesboro folks had some financial challenges that they wisely overcame to be positioned for success. Both football programs have been the envy of ours for decades. They both had the fan support to make it a success.

(09-21-2017 08:56 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  Thoroughly enjoying the discussion in this thread. For the record, the "Young Earth" position of creationism has traditionally been the predominant theory taught in Creationism classes at LU for decades. Most at LU don't feel the age of creation is significant. The time period is only relevant if you require it for your theory to be correct. Intelligent Design doesn't.

What any of this has to do with scheduling football games against each other on a few random fall Saturdays is beyond me.

My beef is with the idea that Liberty should be excluded because they have too much money as a private school. Let me get this straight, public schools have a gravy train from state tax dollars funneled into their coffers that private schools do not access. All schools have the ability to generate revenue through how they market their educational resources. So a school without the benefit of tax dollars being driven directly into their operating budget is excluded because it was more creative than other schools in developing curriculum to meet the changing needs of the marketplace? Every school currently in the Sun Belt had the oppoortunity and squandered it in spite of tax dollars being at their disposal. Now every school in the league is playing catch-up and crying foul. That to me is more indicative of the problems in the Sun Belt than liberal elites not wanting diverse viewpoints in their club.

No Liberty fan would ever question App State & Georgia Southern's worthiness as candidates. The Statesboro folks had some financial challenges that they wisely overcame to be positioned for success. Both football programs have been the envy of ours for decades. They both had the fan support to make it a success.

(09-21-2017 08:56 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  Thoroughly enjoying the discussion in this thread. For the record, the "Young Earth" position of creationism has traditionally been the predominant theory taught in Creationism classes at LU for decades. Most at LU don't feel the age of creation is significant. The time period is only relevant if you require it for your theory to be correct. Intelligent Design doesn't.

What any of this has to do with scheduling football games against each other on a few random fall Saturdays is beyond me.

My beef is with the idea that Liberty should be excluded because they have too much money as a private school. Let me get this straight, public schools have a gravy train from state tax dollars funneled into their coffers that private schools do not access. All schools have the ability to generate revenue through how they market their educational resources. So a school without the benefit of tax dollars being driven directly into their operating budget is excluded because it was more creative than other schools in developing curriculum to meet the changing needs of the marketplace? Every school currently in the Sun Belt had the oppoortunity and squandered it in spite of tax dollars being at their disposal. Now every school in the league is playing catch-up and crying foul. That to me is more indicative of the problems in the Sun Belt than liberal elites not wanting diverse viewpoints in their club.

No Liberty fan would ever question App State & Georgia Southern's worthiness as candidates. The Statesboro folks had some financial challenges that they wisely overcame to be positioned for success. Both football programs have been the envy of ours for decades. They both had the fan support to make it a success.

We're in Louisiana. Wanna trade "gravy trains"? Because I'll gladly trade our "gravy train" for yours.

I want to make a correction to my earlier statement about Falwell using the most tired argument around. It's actually the second most tired argument around, as someone in the thread just used "If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?".

No schools with worse resumes were invited by a conference in at least 20 years.

Please enlighten me, truebluedrew. Are state funds a significant portion of Georgia Southern University's operating expenses? Or is funding from the statehouse a zero or negative sum relationship?

I feel for you, AstroCajun. Thankfully our operating budget was not built on a foundation of royalties from oil & gas production. It is based on a free market system of paying customers. What is happening in Louisiana with higher education right now is a travesty as well as a tragedy.

On the the recurring theme of discussion, creationism is taught as a religion course at LU these days and is not in the science department. But I know that doesn't fit the stereotype so please carry on.

There is no "free market" in higher education in any true sense of the word. Higher education costs are grossly inflated by an absolutely ridiculous system of funding via government where students are essentially price insensitive because of grants, scholarships, and below market government secured loans with deferred repayment schedules.

The government's misguided attempt to inject free market economics into higher education, vocational/technical training, and health care via subsidization of the customer rather than the provider has created rampant and unsustainable inflation.

(09-21-2017 09:11 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 08:56 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  Thoroughly enjoying the discussion in this thread. For the record, the "Young Earth" position of creationism has traditionally been the predominant theory taught in Creationism classes at LU for decades. Most at LU don't feel the age of creation is significant. The time period is only relevant if you require it for your theory to be correct. Intelligent Design doesn't.

What any of this has to do with scheduling football games against each other on a few random fall Saturdays is beyond me.

My beef is with the idea that Liberty should be excluded because they have too much money as a private school. Let me get this straight, public schools have a gravy train from state tax dollars funneled into their coffers that private schools do not access. All schools have the ability to generate revenue through how they market their educational resources. So a school without the benefit of tax dollars being driven directly into their operating budget is excluded because it was more creative than other schools in developing curriculum to meet the changing needs of the marketplace? Every school currently in the Sun Belt had the oppoortunity and squandered it in spite of tax dollars being at their disposal. Now every school in the league is playing catch-up and crying foul. That to me is more indicative of the problems in the Sun Belt than liberal elites not wanting diverse viewpoints in their club.

No Liberty fan would ever question App State & Georgia Southern's worthiness as candidates. The Statesboro folks had some financial challenges that they wisely overcame to be positioned for success. Both football programs have been the envy of ours for decades. They both had the fan support to make it a success.

We do use a ton of allocated funds to support the athletic department. How that breaks down I dont know but there is state money involved.

(09-21-2017 09:25 AM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  I want to make a correction to my earlier statement about Falwell using the most tired argument around. It's actually the second most tired argument around, as someone in the thread just used "If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?".

No schools with worse resumes were invited by a conference in at least 20 years.

So again nothing to do with football and why is it no far left garbage is ever brought up when scheduling or conf membership? Hmmmm

(09-21-2017 10:33 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 09:25 AM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  I want to make a correction to my earlier statement about Falwell using the most tired argument around. It's actually the second most tired argument around, as someone in the thread just used "If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?".

No schools with worse resumes were invited by a conference in at least 20 years.

So again nothing to do with football and why is it no far left garbage is ever brought up when scheduling or conf membership? Hmmmm

My second sentence said "No school with a worse resume has been invited to a conference in at least 20 years". I was referring to football there. They have one playoff appearance EVER in one of the worst FCS conferences there is. That won't cut it unless you have a killer basketball program, or are in a huge market.