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I don't really want to talk politics.
I'm a guy who has voted Republican for president six times and the two more times I voted for a third party candidate who was a true conservative over the GOP candidate. Voted GOP more often than not for governor.

Falwell's comments reflect precisely why I find it harder and harder to vote Republican.

The members of the Sun Belt Conference are public institutions that cannot discriminate in employment or accepting students on any basis other than academic merit or public safety (ie. an academically qualified rapist or person with history of violence).

In a constitutional republic it is NOT liberal to uphold the law. It is not liberal to choose to not enter an equity partnership with an institution not following the same standards or that have a different mission.

Goobers like Falwell are not interested in being "conservative" in the sense of upholding the constitution and laws, they never objected to the cost in dollars and lives and wisdom of fighting in Iraq nor the pivot in US policy in Afghanistan from eliminating the Taliban to reshaping Afghanistan politically and socially.

They want a theocracy where they want the law of the land to be the Bible as they interpret it without regard to the millions of other confessing Christians who disagree with their reading.

Falwell and Liberty University are free to pursue what they want to pursue, but that doesn't make everyone who disagrees with them nasty old liberals intent on oppressing.
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Pretty much went the way I thought it would. I am for Liberty being held out due to the academic suspicions I have with the online stuff but keeping them out due to administration beliefs is asinine. While I dont agree probably with a lot of his views, I also agree zero with UC Berkeley admins you know the ones that have a free speech week then do everything in their power to limit the speech of certain people but I have no problem playing them due to the fact the football team is not an extension of the admin. Its mostly just guys trying to make a living and players trying to get and education or making an NFL dream come true. I doubt the majority or UC or Liberty players are inline with their admins beliefs.

I have to laugh when I have seen both Marshall and ECU fans talking **** to anyone this week. Do we have Sun Belt posters going on the AAC and CUSA board as much as they come here? Its like if they suck they feel the need to talk crap somewhere else to make themselves feel relevant?
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Who cares...
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(09-20-2017 10:27 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Who cares...

You do since you took the time to post that.
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(09-20-2017 10:01 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(09-20-2017 09:56 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(09-20-2017 09:26 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  looks like the following schools have ZERO P5's scheduled at home going forward....

Ark State, Georgia Southern, USA, Ooh La La.... the rest are lucky to have one or 2.

Wait...who kicked Iowa State out of the Big 12?

Oops.... Liberty still has you beat by a long shot. 03-lmfao

I'm disappointed in you Hood, you didn't count our upcoming home games with SMU, Tulsa, and Memphis as games against "Power" schools. I mean, I thought that was your MO. You are letting down your people man.
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(09-20-2017 08:12 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Those schools don't openly and proudly do what Liberty does.

Baby Falwell is just as nasty, arrogant and bigoted as his dead daddy was and his dear friend Pat Robertson is. It was just up until a few years ago he was smart and kept his mouth shut. When he was pushed into a corner and had to respond, he lashed out just like his daddy would and people seen who he was.

I would group Liberty in with the likes of Abilene Christian, Oral Roberts, Bob Jones and others.
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One word comes to mind reading Falwell's comments: Jealousy

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Name the school admitted to the Sun Belt, CUSA, MAC, or AAC in the past 10 years with a worse resume than Liberty.

I'll hang up and listen.
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Yea, but BYU's president did not blame homosexuals for 9/11.
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Not that I'm taking up for Falwell, but I'm pretty sure Falwell's actual quote was that he blamed the secularization of America. Homosexuality was included, but if I recall he mentioned abortion and many other things that he felt that God was displeased with.
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And that somehow makes it better?
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(09-20-2017 10:29 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(09-20-2017 10:27 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Who cares...

You do since you took the time to post that.

I guess I should have put a question mark since I am legitimately curious as to why anyone would care about his comments. So, who cares and why?
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(09-20-2017 08:46 AM)SENOREIDA Wrote:  
(09-20-2017 08:13 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(09-19-2017 08:24 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Might as well call this like it is. A lot of people like to hide behind the curtain of Liberty being Internet U, when the reality is Liberty's mission and purpose, especially their stance on homosexuality, goes against their personal liberal beliefs. People just need to be honest about it. I don't see much difference in the Mormon's stance on the subject, but yet there is no vicious crusade against BYU.

"The law of chastity of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) states that "sexual relations are proper only between a man and a woman who are legally and lawfully wedded as husband and wife."[1] In principle, this commandment forbids all same-sex sexual behavior (whether intra-marriage or extramarital). Homosexuality-related violations of the law of chastity may result in church discipline."
Yea, but BYU's president did not blame homosexuals for 9/11. I'm all for freedom of religion and speech, but they have consequences. I don't blame our presidents, who do not want to be associated with a University that has a track record of making really ignorant statements. It is hypocritical people who are fighting to not do business with homosexuals, because of personal beliefs, are screaming others need to be forced to do business with them.
Nice dodge. Actually it's just the opposite. Schools are free to schedule whoever they wish and use whatever reason they wish. Private businesses are being forced into compliance with ideals they do not agree with. Again, all I ask is just be honest and admit why you are prejudiced against playing Liberty.

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I see pros and cons. They have great facilities, lots of money and can recruit in that region. On the other hand, and unlike the other religious universities, they are more of a product of one religious leader and his family. That figure embraces the prosperity gospel and that gives me heartburn about considering their membership.
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(09-20-2017 09:21 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(09-20-2017 09:06 AM)RedWolfington Wrote:  
(09-20-2017 08:57 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  Liberty has better schedules than both the Slumbelch and CDOA.

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03-lmfao how many of y'all are getting home and home series with Virginia Tech, BYU, Army, Duke, Syracuse, Wake Forest... plus not being locked into your garbage conference games? That flexibility alone is a huge plus for them.
If you tell me it was a straight one for one without enumeration to the opponent then I'm impressed. If $$$ flowed to the opponent then I'm not impressed. Anyone could do it.
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(09-20-2017 09:03 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  It has nothing to do with their stance on homosexuality for me. They have required classes in creationism and evangelism. There's a student code of conduct called "the Liberty Way" that bans cursing, dancing, r-rated movies, pornography, and hugs that last longer than 3 seconds, and establishes a curfew where students have to ask permission to leave campus. Liberty exists for the sole purpose of indoctrination not education (unlike TCU, Baylor, ND, etc) and the part that I have the biggest problem with is that Falwell uses the university has both a platform and a purse to push his views into mainstream politics. If you want to accuse me of hating them just for their views on homosexuality so be it, but like I said earlier, there's a difference between hold Christian conservative beliefs and being an @$$hole.
As a private school Liberty can teach whatever they please. Nobody holds a gun to anyone's head making them attend. I suppose you believe the government is far better suited than parents to decide what the want their children to be taught and how to conduct their lives. The government mandated public education systems have been indoctrinating children for 60 years. Lastly, who is and isn't an ahole is a matter of opinion.

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(09-19-2017 08:24 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

To be fair, it seems everyone else, including University presidents, were casting stones at Liberty far before this story ever broke.
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(09-20-2017 12:17 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(09-20-2017 09:03 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  It has nothing to do with their stance on homosexuality for me. They have required classes in creationism and evangelism. There's a student code of conduct called "the Liberty Way" that bans cursing, dancing, r-rated movies, pornography, and hugs that last longer than 3 seconds, and establishes a curfew where students have to ask permission to leave campus. Liberty exists for the sole purpose of indoctrination not education (unlike TCU, Baylor, ND, etc) and the part that I have the biggest problem with is that Falwell uses the university has both a platform and a purse to push his views into mainstream politics. If you want to accuse me of hating them just for their views on homosexuality so be it, but like I said earlier, there's a difference between hold Christian conservative beliefs and being an @$$hole.
As a private school Liberty can teach whatever they please. Nobody holds a gun to anyone's head making them attend. I suppose you believe the government is far better suited than parents to decide what the want their children to be taught and how to conduct their lives. The government mandated public education systems have been indoctrinating children for 60 years. Lastly, who is and isn't an ahole is a matter of opinion.

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I suppose he isn't familiar with Meredith College or Brigham-Young University.

To your point about Liberty being able to teach whatever they please, I would imagine many students choose Universities and courses that reaffirm their belief set more often than not. A course on creationism and evangelism is going to be known to the student prior to accepting an offer of attendance, and that student has likely already been indoctrinated by the Evangelic Baptist movement. It is extremely similar to UC Berkley's stance on free speech except when that free speech isn't in lock step with the ideological belief of what truly is mainstream. In central Virginia, in and around Lynchburg, what is taught at Liberty isn't out of the mainstream politics.

The only reason Virginia ever turns red is because of probably 3 counties in Northern Virginia and the tide water area. The rest of the state is rather blue.
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(09-20-2017 12:17 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(09-20-2017 09:03 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  It has nothing to do with their stance on homosexuality for me. They have required classes in creationism and evangelism. There's a student code of conduct called "the Liberty Way" that bans cursing, dancing, r-rated movies, pornography, and hugs that last longer than 3 seconds, and establishes a curfew where students have to ask permission to leave campus. Liberty exists for the sole purpose of indoctrination not education (unlike TCU, Baylor, ND, etc) and the part that I have the biggest problem with is that Falwell uses the university has both a platform and a purse to push his views into mainstream politics. If you want to accuse me of hating them just for their views on homosexuality so be it, but like I said earlier, there's a difference between hold Christian conservative beliefs and being an @$$hole.
As a private school Liberty can teach whatever they please. Nobody holds a gun to anyone's head making them attend. I suppose you believe the government is far better suited than parents to decide what the want their children to be taught and how to conduct their lives. The government mandated public education systems have been indoctrinating children for 60 years. Lastly, who is and isn't an ahole is a matter of opinion.

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Exactly, double standard like crazy. What in the heck do you call what is happening at UC Berkeley and that is a public institution.
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(09-20-2017 12:17 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(09-20-2017 09:03 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  It has nothing to do with their stance on homosexuality for me. They have required classes in creationism and evangelism. There's a student code of conduct called "the Liberty Way" that bans cursing, dancing, r-rated movies, pornography, and hugs that last longer than 3 seconds, and establishes a curfew where students have to ask permission to leave campus. Liberty exists for the sole purpose of indoctrination not education (unlike TCU, Baylor, ND, etc) and the part that I have the biggest problem with is that Falwell uses the university has both a platform and a purse to push his views into mainstream politics. If you want to accuse me of hating them just for their views on homosexuality so be it, but like I said earlier, there's a difference between hold Christian conservative beliefs and being an @$$hole.
As a private school Liberty can teach whatever they please. Nobody holds a gun to anyone's head making them attend. I suppose you believe the government is far better suited than parents to decide what the want their children to be taught and how to conduct their lives. The government mandated public education systems have been indoctrinating children for 60 years. Lastly, who is and isn't an ahole is a matter of opinion.

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I'm aware they can teach whatever they want. That's exactly what they're doing. If the governement is teaching factual science and mathematics and how to think for oneself and form an opinion while parents want to teach someone how to reject empirical thought and blindly believe and do what they're told, then yes I'll definitely take the government over someone's uneducated parents. If the government has been indoctrinating kids for 60 years and the US has the strongest economy the world has ever seen, then I'll definitely take the government education. Yes please.

Give me a break. Everyone has different opinions and is entitled to do so. If the government was really trying to train everyone to think the same way, why is there still such a divide in this country? At our supposedly "liberal" colleges no one is forced to take liberalism 101 or burn a cop car for extra credit. Meanwhile at Liberty, there are mandated classes that push religious and political beliefs that students must accept to pass.

Jerry Falwell Jr is playing the victim card by saying that people who don't agree with his extremist Evangelical views are part of the "intolerant left" but some of those views at their very core are intolerable. Does he have the right to hold those views? Yes. Does he have the right to scream intolerance when he doesn't get his way because we hold different opinions? No.

It's essentially like a school bully who calls everyone in the class names and then cries and calls all the kids mean when nobody wants to be his friend.
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(09-20-2017 12:36 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(09-20-2017 12:17 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(09-20-2017 09:03 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  It has nothing to do with their stance on homosexuality for me. They have required classes in creationism and evangelism. There's a student code of conduct called "the Liberty Way" that bans cursing, dancing, r-rated movies, pornography, and hugs that last longer than 3 seconds, and establishes a curfew where students have to ask permission to leave campus. Liberty exists for the sole purpose of indoctrination not education (unlike TCU, Baylor, ND, etc) and the part that I have the biggest problem with is that Falwell uses the university has both a platform and a purse to push his views into mainstream politics. If you want to accuse me of hating them just for their views on homosexuality so be it, but like I said earlier, there's a difference between hold Christian conservative beliefs and being an @$$hole.
As a private school Liberty can teach whatever they please. Nobody holds a gun to anyone's head making them attend. I suppose you believe the government is far better suited than parents to decide what the want their children to be taught and how to conduct their lives. The government mandated public education systems have been indoctrinating children for 60 years. Lastly, who is and isn't an ahole is a matter of opinion.

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Exactly, double standard like crazy. What in the heck do you call what is happening at UC Berkeley and that is a public institution.

The great thing about public schools is that if you want things at UC Berkeley to change, you can move to Berkeley and vote for politicians who will run the education system like you think it should be run. The reason UC Berkeley is the way it is is because the voters of that state want it that way.

If anyone finds themselves unhappy with the political decision in their area or even at the federal level, it's because they are outnumbered and more people hold the opposite opinion. How's that for double standard?
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(09-20-2017 10:24 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  I don't really want to talk politics.
I'm a guy who has voted Republican for president six times and the two more times I voted for a third party candidate who was a true conservative over the GOP candidate. Voted GOP more often than not for governor.

Falwell's comments reflect precisely why I find it harder and harder to vote Republican.

The members of the Sun Belt Conference are public institutions that cannot discriminate in employment or accepting students on any basis other than academic merit or public safety (ie. an academically qualified rapist or person with history of violence).

In a constitutional republic it is NOT liberal to uphold the law. It is not liberal to choose to not enter an equity partnership with an institution not following the same standards or that have a different mission.

Goobers like Falwell are not interested in being "conservative" in the sense of upholding the constitution and laws, they never objected to the cost in dollars and lives and wisdom of fighting in Iraq nor the pivot in US policy in Afghanistan from eliminating the Taliban to reshaping Afghanistan politically and socially.

They want a theocracy where they want the law of the land to be the Bible as they interpret it without regard to the millions of other confessing Christians who disagree with their reading.

Falwell and Liberty University are free to pursue what they want to pursue, but that doesn't make everyone who disagrees with them nasty old liberals intent on oppressing.

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