(09-20-2017 10:36 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 10:01 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 09:56 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 09:26 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  looks like the following schools have ZERO P5's scheduled at home going forward....

Ark State, Georgia Southern, USA, Ooh La La.... the rest are lucky to have one or 2.

Wait...who kicked Iowa State out of the Big 12?

Oops.... Liberty still has you beat by a long shot.

I'm disappointed in you Hood, you didn't count our upcoming home games with SMU, Tulsa, and Memphis as games against "Power" schools. I mean, I thought that was your MO. You are letting down your people man.

It should not go unacknowledged that this was the best philosophical checkmate I have ever seen on this board.

A "P6'er" coming on here and saying that a sun belt team has weak OOC scheduling because they lack P5's but doesn't acknowledge the supposed "P6" games on the schedule.

(09-20-2017 12:39 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 12:17 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 09:03 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  It has nothing to do with their stance on homosexuality for me. They have required classes in creationism and evangelism. There's a student code of conduct called "the Liberty Way" that bans cursing, dancing, r-rated movies, pornography, and hugs that last longer than 3 seconds, and establishes a curfew where students have to ask permission to leave campus. Liberty exists for the sole purpose of indoctrination not education (unlike TCU, Baylor, ND, etc) and the part that I have the biggest problem with is that Falwell uses the university has both a platform and a purse to push his views into mainstream politics. If you want to accuse me of hating them just for their views on homosexuality so be it, but like I said earlier, there's a difference between hold Christian conservative beliefs and being an @$$hole.

As a private school Liberty can teach whatever they please. Nobody holds a gun to anyone's head making them attend. I suppose you believe the government is far better suited than parents to decide what the want their children to be taught and how to conduct their lives. The government mandated public education systems have been indoctrinating children for 60 years. Lastly, who is and isn't an ahole is a matter of opinion.

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I'm aware they can teach whatever they want. That's exactly what they're doing. If the governement is teaching factual science and mathematics and how to think for oneself and form an opinion while parents want to teach someone how to reject empirical thought and blindly believe and do what they're told, then yes I'll definitely take the government over someone's uneducated parents. If the government has been indoctrinating kids for 60 years and the US has the strongest economy the world has ever seen, then I'll definitely take the government education. Yes please.

Give me a break. Everyone has different opinions and is entitled to do so. If the government was really trying to train everyone to think the same way, why is there still such a divide in this country? At our supposedly "liberal" colleges no one is forced to take liberalism 101 or burn a cop car for extra credit. Meanwhile at Liberty, there are mandated classes that push religious and political beliefs that students must accept to pass.

Jerry Falwell Jr is playing the victim card by saying that people who don't agree with his extremist Evangelical views are part of the "intolerant left" but some of those views at their very core are intolerable. Does he have the right to hold those views? Yes. Does he have the right to scream intolerance when he doesn't get his way because we hold different opinions? No.

It's essentially like a school bully who calls everyone in the class names and then cries and calls all the kids mean when nobody wants to be his friend.

Great points here. How many students have parents that are geneticists? Not many, but there are many others who parents tell them that evolution isn't real despite the fact that they themselves have no science to back up their opinion.
I saw a great sign recently: Don't Believe Everything You Think
More people should really consider this.

(09-20-2017 12:55 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 10:36 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 10:01 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 09:56 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 09:26 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  looks like the following schools have ZERO P5's scheduled at home going forward....

Ark State, Georgia Southern, USA, Ooh La La.... the rest are lucky to have one or 2.

Wait...who kicked Iowa State out of the Big 12?

Oops.... Liberty still has you beat by a long shot.

I'm disappointed in you Hood, you didn't count our upcoming home games with SMU, Tulsa, and Memphis as games against "Power" schools. I mean, I thought that was your MO. You are letting down your people man.

It should not go unacknowledged that this was the best philosophical checkmate I have ever seen on this board.

A "P6'er" coming on here and saying that a sun belt team has weak OOC scheduling because they lack P5's but doesn't acknowledge the supposed "P6" games on the schedule.

+1

P6 is a marketing gimmick and a way to troll other G5 fans. Nothing more. What's sad is the number of other G5 fans who fall for it on the AAC board.

(09-20-2017 01:18 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  P6 is a marketing gimmick and a way to troll other G5 fans. Nothing more. What's sad is the number of other G5 fans who fall for it on the AAC board.

Somebody save this post for eternal reference to use with his/her conference mates.

Even if they taught liberal Methodism I'd still have the same issues I have with them today.

They are wealthy private who are free to thriw tons of money at whatever they want with no real transparency or oversight. No FOIA.

NONE of the rest of us are wealthy. None of us have the ability to throw massive resources at any problem. None of us are free from FOIA. None of us are free from (sometimes stifling) government oversight and regulation.

Love 'em or hate 'em they are way different from the rest of us and not a match I'm particularly interested in experimenting with.

Plus I don't really trust our conference bureaucracy's ability to be fair between low resource and high resource members. IMO.

No religious bias there.

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(09-20-2017 01:28 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Even if they taught liberal Methodism I'd still have the same issues I have with them today.

They are wealthy private who are free to thriw tons of money at whatever they want with no real transparency or oversight. No FOIA.

NONE of the rest of us are wealthy. None of us have the ability to throw massive resources at any problem. None of us are free from FOIA. None of us are free from (sometimes stifling) government oversight and regulation.

Love 'em or hate 'em they are way different from the rest of us and not a match I'm particularly interested in experimenting with.

Plus I don't really trust our conference bureaucracy's ability to be fair between low resource and high resource members. IMO.

No religious bias there.

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When the AD at a Sun Belt school says we've raised X or we spend Y you can generally verify it or refute before close of the next business day thanks to FOI.

If a player is in trouble you can often get that via FOI as well (as limited by Federal student privacy law).

If the coach and AD are conspiring to hide crimes by players, there is usually a paper trail that will reveal it to the public via FOI.

Before colleges wised up and hired monitoring companies or purchased monitoring software FOI revealed impermissible contact cases (now they head it off or if they don't they file a secondary infraction report).

Liberty's sales pitch included showing games on their channel. I don't want a conference mate making the decision of whether or not I get on TV, especially when the network exists to promote that school.

(09-19-2017 09:26 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  He says he's being discriminated against by our seemingly "liberal" universities because he's conservative. You can't use discrimination in admission standards, use school profits to fund lobbyists, AND be play the victim card. There's a difference between being a conservative and being an @$$hole. Falwell is the latter.

He does have a point though.

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(09-20-2017 03:24 PM)DawggoneEagle Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 09:26 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  He says he's being discriminated against by our seemingly "liberal" universities because he's conservative. You can't use discrimination in admission standards, use school profits to fund lobbyists, AND be play the victim card. There's a difference between being a conservative and being an @$$hole. Falwell is the latter.

He does have a point though.

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Not really. I imagine CUSA and the SBC would take BYU or Notre Dame in a heartbeat. They don't have a problem with religious or private institutions. They just don't want Liberty who also happens to be a private, religious institution.

Liberty has a far weaker resume than any other call up in recent memory. That's what it really comes down to, the rest is all extra.

They did manage to use the most tired argument around though: "Hey, if you're not okay with me being an a**hole to tons of people, then you're the actual a**hole!"

(09-20-2017 03:56 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  Liberty has a far weaker resume than any other call up in recent memory. That's what it really comes down to, the rest is all extra.

They did manage to use the most tired argument around though: "Hey, if you're not okay with me being an a**hole to tons of people, then you're the actual a**hole!"

(09-20-2017 12:36 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 12:17 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 09:03 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  It has nothing to do with their stance on homosexuality for me. They have required classes in creationism and evangelism. There's a student code of conduct called "the Liberty Way" that bans cursing, dancing, r-rated movies, pornography, and hugs that last longer than 3 seconds, and establishes a curfew where students have to ask permission to leave campus. Liberty exists for the sole purpose of indoctrination not education (unlike TCU, Baylor, ND, etc) and the part that I have the biggest problem with is that Falwell uses the university has both a platform and a purse to push his views into mainstream politics. If you want to accuse me of hating them just for their views on homosexuality so be it, but like I said earlier, there's a difference between hold Christian conservative beliefs and being an @$$hole.

As a private school Liberty can teach whatever they please. Nobody holds a gun to anyone's head making them attend. I suppose you believe the government is far better suited than parents to decide what the want their children to be taught and how to conduct their lives. The government mandated public education systems have been indoctrinating children for 60 years. Lastly, who is and isn't an ahole is a matter of opinion.

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Exactly, double standard like crazy. What in the heck do you call what is happening at UC Berkeley and that is a public institution.

I went to war to ensure both Berkeley and Liberty can behave like absolute jackasses. I also hate both schools. Oh well, that's what freedom is.

(09-20-2017 04:43 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  I went to war to ensure both Berkeley and Liberty can behave like absolute jackasses. I also hate both schools. Oh well, that's what freedom is.

Thanks for your service!

All I have to say about it is that I don't want my university associated with Liberty in any way. If they were to join the belt I would want out as quickly as possible.

(09-20-2017 03:56 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  Liberty has a far weaker resume than any other call up in recent memory. That's what it really comes down to, the rest is all extra.

This right here. For all the money they have their accomplishments in FCS aren't super impressive, and basketball isn't bad, but not good enough to give any real boost to the conference.

If Liberty wants a conference home, they start showing they can play great football and people will overlook all the controversial stuff.

GS didn't have a conference home in the 80s, but after we won 4 national championships, the snobs over in the SoCon finally decided to let us in the club.

I will say though that there are 10 times more threads on this board about Liberty than there are threads about the Sun Belt on their board. I know some of their fans start threads over here but can we stop giving them the time of day? Honestly...

(09-20-2017 06:17 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  I will say though that there are 10 times more threads on this board about Liberty than there are threads about the Sun Belt on their board. I know some of their fans start threads over here but can we stop giving them the time of day? Honestly...

The only reason this thread is here is because their wanker President mentioned our conference and our "bigoted" Presidents. I think that deserves a thread.

It is also really dumb to burn bridges. I hope he finds that out later when he needs a schedule spot filled by one of the SBC or CUSA bigots.

I was wishing them well on their independence bid but he sure wised me up.

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(09-19-2017 11:58 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 08:15 PM)airtroop Wrote:  Just a couple of quotes from the article... click this link to read in its entirety:

Quote:Liberty University chancellor Jerry Falwell Jr. leaves no doubt about where he stands on most issues. He's outspokenly conservative, ardently Pro-Life and a dedicated supporter of President Trump.

So perhaps it shouldn't have come as a surprise that he expressed a pretty sharp opinion on the recent revelation that Conference USA turned down a $24 million offer from Liberty last fall to join the league.

I broke the story in a column that ran in The Virginian-Pilot on Sept. 8.

Falwell Tweeted a link to my story with the following comment: "Few bigoted U pres big on diversity & inclusion (except 4 conservatives) vetoed LU from Sun Belt, CUSA. It backfired... "

SNIP!!!

Quote:"... An interesting aside: You can draw the inference from Falwell's Tweet that Liberty made the same $24 million offer to the Sun Belt Conference, which also turned down the Flames. If true, it's a startling revelation. ..."

He also goes on to point out all of the MANY private schools have held membership in C-USA... interesting read in the middle of the week anyway.

Sorry Jerry, you might live in Jerrys world in Lynchburg VA. That's a great place for Liberty "Lynchburg", its something I'm sure he wouldn't mind seeing come back. But others already in a conference don't need you to pay to play since we seem to already own the game and are playing quite will without a snot nosed egotistical right winged propaganda outfit you call a university. You can't call yourself a university when you teach creationism as a science class and force students to attend regular brainwashing meetings once a week.

Also isn't bribery a crime, that's what he attempted to do with both CUSA and The Sun Belt. Why did he stop there, why not try for the ACC, B12 or even SEC. Or B10 for that matter.

The whole creationism is what really gets me. Teach it as a religion all you want, but going about it like it is a science should be enough to lose accreditation and not even be considered a university.

(09-20-2017 12:39 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 12:17 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 09:03 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  It has nothing to do with their stance on homosexuality for me. They have required classes in creationism and evangelism. There's a student code of conduct called "the Liberty Way" that bans cursing, dancing, r-rated movies, pornography, and hugs that last longer than 3 seconds, and establishes a curfew where students have to ask permission to leave campus. Liberty exists for the sole purpose of indoctrination not education (unlike TCU, Baylor, ND, etc) and the part that I have the biggest problem with is that Falwell uses the university has both a platform and a purse to push his views into mainstream politics. If you want to accuse me of hating them just for their views on homosexuality so be it, but like I said earlier, there's a difference between hold Christian conservative beliefs and being an @$$hole.

As a private school Liberty can teach whatever they please. Nobody holds a gun to anyone's head making them attend. I suppose you believe the government is far better suited than parents to decide what the want their children to be taught and how to conduct their lives. The government mandated public education systems have been indoctrinating children for 60 years. Lastly, who is and isn't an ahole is a matter of opinion.

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I'm aware they can teach whatever they want. That's exactly what they're doing. If the governement is teaching factual science and mathematics and how to think for oneself and form an opinion while parents want to teach someone how to reject empirical thought and blindly believe and do what they're told, then yes I'll definitely take the government over someone's uneducated parents. If the government has been indoctrinating kids for 60 years and the US has the strongest economy the world has ever seen, then I'll definitely take the government education. Yes please.

Give me a break. Everyone has different opinions and is entitled to do so. If the government was really trying to train everyone to think the same way, why is there still such a divide in this country? At our supposedly "liberal" colleges no one is forced to take liberalism 101 or burn a cop car for extra credit. Meanwhile at Liberty, there are mandated classes that push religious and political beliefs that students must accept to pass.

Jerry Falwell Jr is playing the victim card by saying that people who don't agree with his extremist Evangelical views are part of the "intolerant left" but some of those views at their very core are intolerable. Does he have the right to hold those views? Yes. Does he have the right to scream intolerance when he doesn't get his way because we hold different opinions? No.

It's essentially like a school bully who calls everyone in the class names and then cries and calls all the kids mean when nobody wants to be his friend.

You give me a break. What Liberty is doing is no different than those on the "exterme left" pushing their agenda. I find it amusing people denounce Creationism yet expect people to believe, without one ounce of proof, the universe formed out of nothing. You want me to believe the complexity of the human body, the perfection of the seasons and the order of the universe all happened by happenstance. I'd like to see the mathematical equasion to figure those odds. Then there's Darwin's theory of evolution. Key word being theory. No proof, no facts and most importantly no speciation in the fossil record. That's not to say animals and organisms can't adapt and change with their environment. But to teach all life on this planet developed from some self-replicating molecule is borderline insane. Still, what each of us believes or doesn't believe should not factor into who we play in an athletic contest..

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(09-20-2017 01:18 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  P6 is a marketing gimmick and a way to troll other G5 fans. Nothing more. What's sad is the number of other G5 fans who fall for it on the AAC board.

Exactly.




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