(12-24-2016 09:27 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  Let's remember the decision was based on the on field performance of the two schools. This year the SBC is rated 4th out of the G5 conferences and has a chance at 3rd once the bowls are complete. Idaho, with its wins over UNLV and Colorado State, certainly helped that this year.

But in the previous two, neither Idaho and NMSU contributed anything, in fact, they hurt the league. The SBC finished 5th in both years. Had the SBC not had those teams they would have finished 4th one year, 3rd in the other.

THAT'S why the decision was made.

Yep. Was disappointed when the decision was made, but wasn't mad. Just saying the Idaho facts regarding performance have changed since this spring. Over the next few years at least, I believe you'll lose more money than you'll save by kicking us out.

(12-24-2016 09:05 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  Regarding Idaho, they should go back to playing football against teams that their fan base can travel to. Eastern Washington, Idaho State, Montana, Montana State, and the rest of the Big Sky is logical

So we could be just like Idaho State. Very inspirational. Thank you.

(12-24-2016 09:27 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  Let's remember the decision was based on the on field performance of the two schools. This year the SBC is rated 4th out of the G5 conferences and has a chance at 3rd once the bowls are complete. Idaho, with its wins over UNLV and Colorado State, certainly helped that this year.

But in the previous two, neither Idaho and NMSU contributed anything, in fact, they hurt the league. The SBC finished 5th in both years. Had the SBC not had those teams they would have finished 4th one year, 3rd in the other.

THAT'S why the decision was made.

The league presidents have made the decision. They won't be going back on it.

And what did Georgia State do the past 3 years?

It's pretty pathetic to throw stones when the sunbelt had how many FBS out of conference wins this year? 5? Yeah you're right it's only one or two programs holding the conference back from challenging the SEC. Once Idaho and NMSU leave I'm sure the SBC will be routinely placing 2 if not 3 playoff teams a year!

(12-24-2016 01:48 PM)nsavandal09 Wrote:  

(12-24-2016 09:27 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  Let's remember the decision was based on the on field performance of the two schools. This year the SBC is rated 4th out of the G5 conferences and has a chance at 3rd once the bowls are complete. Idaho, with its wins over UNLV and Colorado State, certainly helped that this year.

But in the previous two, neither Idaho and NMSU contributed anything, in fact, they hurt the league. The SBC finished 5th in both years. Had the SBC not had those teams they would have finished 4th one year, 3rd in the other.

THAT'S why the decision was made.

The league presidents have made the decision. They won't be going back on it.

And what did Georgia State do the past 3 years? What about Texas State?

It's pretty pathetic to throw stones when the sunbelt had how many FBS out of conference wins this year? 5? Yeah you're right it's only one or two programs holding the conference back from challenging the SEC. Once Idaho and NMSU leave I'm sure the SBC will be routinely placing 2 if not 3 playoff teams a year!

(12-24-2016 09:27 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  Let's remember the decision was based on the on field performance of the two schools. This year the SBC is rated 4th out of the G5 conferences and has a chance at 3rd once the bowls are complete. Idaho, with its wins over UNLV and Colorado State, certainly helped that this year.

But in the previous two, neither Idaho and NMSU contributed anything, in fact, they hurt the league. The SBC finished 5th in both years. Had the SBC not had those teams they would have finished 4th one year, 3rd in the other.

THAT'S why the decision was made.

The league presidents have made the decision. They won't be going back on it.

If I remember the announcement correctly no presidents voted on this. It was just an unexpected announcement.

Idaho does this one more time next year and we'll have an interesting decision on our hands. Would the SBC really kick a 9-win team out of the conference? At least extend them and NMSU.

(12-27-2016 05:57 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  Idaho does this one more time next year and we'll have an interesting decision on our hands. Would the SBC really kick a 9-win team out of the conference? At least extend them and NMSU.

I'm all for extending invitations to both of them. I never thought they should have been dropped in the first place.

I think there may be something going on behind the scenes. Such as maybe UTA is going to announce a return to football. If that happens, and they know it, NMSU will be reinvited to the SBC. But Idaho is just so far away.

Who knows what's going to happen, but right now Idaho doesn't have FBS facilities, and nothing that another conference wants in their league. Independence is your home if you want to stay FBS, continue to win and make yourself relevant and make the MW want you. But one good season, and I'm happy about your success this season, doesn't change your location and facilities.

Good luck Idaho.

These teams reminds me of the student that waited until the end of the semester to ask for any extra credit that could help their grade.... it's a little too late, sorry this didn't work out for you guys. Best of luck in the future...

Idaho doesn't deserve to be treated like this, wished u guys would've tried being independent again...

(12-27-2016 11:28 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Who knows what's going to happen, but right now Idaho doesn't have FBS facilities, and nothing that another conference wants in their league. Independence is your home if you want to stay FBS, continue to win and make yourself relevant and make the MW want you. But one good season, and I'm happy about your success this season, doesn't change your location and facilities.

Good luck Idaho.

In an era when a whole lot of money is riding on on-field performance, we're currently better at football than at least 70% of the Sun Belt. So that's at least one thing a conference would want.

(12-27-2016 11:28 PM)Usajags Wrote:  I think there may be something going on behind the scenes. Such as maybe UTA is going to announce a return to football. If that happens, and they know it, NMSU will be reinvited to the SBC. But Idaho is just so far away.

Who knows what's going to happen, but right now Idaho doesn't have FBS facilities, and nothing that another conference wants in their league. Independence is your home if you want to stay FBS, continue to win and make yourself relevant and make the MW want you. But one good season, and I'm happy about your success this season, doesn't change your location and facilities.

Good luck Idaho.

Latah County, are Idaho's facilities that much worse than the average Sun Belt school's? The Kibbie Dome is small, dated, and leaves a lot to be desired; not trying be rude, but it's hard to argue otherwise. But aside from the stadium, does Idaho have comparable practice facilities, training rooms, locker rooms, and so forth? It's not like this league is full of schools with mega-athletic budgets...

(12-28-2016 01:19 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(12-27-2016 11:28 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Who knows what's going to happen, but right now Idaho doesn't have FBS facilities, and nothing that another conference wants in their league. Independence is your home if you want to stay FBS, continue to win and make yourself relevant and make the MW want you. But one good season, and I'm happy about your success this season, doesn't change your location and facilities.

Good luck Idaho.

In an era when a whole lot of money is riding on on-field performance, we're currently better at football than at least 70% of the Sun Belt. So that's at least one thing a conference would want.

Gotta do it more then just one season, string a couple together.

(12-28-2016 04:41 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(12-27-2016 11:28 PM)Usajags Wrote:  I think there may be something going on behind the scenes. Such as maybe UTA is going to announce a return to football. If that happens, and they know it, NMSU will be reinvited to the SBC. But Idaho is just so far away.

Who knows what's going to happen, but right now Idaho doesn't have FBS facilities, and nothing that another conference wants in their league. Independence is your home if you want to stay FBS, continue to win and make yourself relevant and make the MW want you. But one good season, and I'm happy about your success this season, doesn't change your location and facilities.

Good luck Idaho.

Latah County, are Idaho's facilities that much worse than the average Sun Belt school's? The Kibbie Dome is small, dated, and leaves a lot to be desired; not trying be rude, but it's hard to argue otherwise. But aside from the stadium, does Idaho have comparable practice facilities, training rooms, locker rooms, and so forth? It's not like this league is full of schools with mega-athletic budgets...

I was referring to the facility that is in front of everyone, the dome. It doesn't meet FBS standards. They have received waivers at different times from the NCAA to even be able to use it and stay DI.

(12-24-2016 01:48 PM)nsavandal09 Wrote:  

(12-24-2016 09:27 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  Let's remember the decision was based on the on field performance of the two schools. This year the SBC is rated 4th out of the G5 conferences and has a chance at 3rd once the bowls are complete. Idaho, with its wins over UNLV and Colorado State, certainly helped that this year.

But in the previous two, neither Idaho and NMSU contributed anything, in fact, they hurt the league. The SBC finished 5th in both years. Had the SBC not had those teams they would have finished 4th one year, 3rd in the other.

THAT'S why the decision was made.

The league presidents have made the decision. They won't be going back on it.

And what did Georgia State do the past 3 years?

It's pretty pathetic to throw stones when the sunbelt had how many FBS out of conference wins this year? 5? Yeah you're right it's only one or two programs holding the conference back from challenging the SEC. Once Idaho and NMSU leave I'm sure the SBC will be routinely placing 2 if not 3 playoff teams a year!

No one is throwing any stones.

Georgia State is not the topic of discussion. They are a full time member and were added for long term growth. They were in a bowl game last year in football and they've made an NIT and NCAA appearance in basketball and won a game when they got there. They've shown a plan for long term growth with their purchase of the Turner Field property.

When Idaho and NMSU were added for football, it was to get to 12 football schools and then Western Kentucky left before it could be put into play. The deal was to revisit it after two years. It was revisited. Unfortunately, the schools didn't do anything to justify keeping them before this year.

As I said earlier, it's not personal to either school.

But the thread asks if there's any chance this be revisited. The answer is no.

The answer is an obvious NO and I wish people would leave it alone.

I actually like having two large state schools in the conference and wish they'd get another 2 years after the '17 season. That'd give them both time to get their stuff in order for either an Indy run or MWC or the chance of greater realignment or something. Also, I think 12 works better for scheduling than 10. However, with $$$$$$$$ stopping at 10 teams there really is just no need for 12.

(12-28-2016 04:41 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(12-27-2016 11:28 PM)Usajags Wrote:  I think there may be something going on behind the scenes. Such as maybe UTA is going to announce a return to football. If that happens, and they know it, NMSU will be reinvited to the SBC. But Idaho is just so far away.

Who knows what's going to happen, but right now Idaho doesn't have FBS facilities, and nothing that another conference wants in their league. Independence is your home if you want to stay FBS, continue to win and make yourself relevant and make the MW want you. But one good season, and I'm happy about your success this season, doesn't change your location and facilities.

Good luck Idaho.

Latah County, are Idaho's facilities that much worse than the average Sun Belt school's? The Kibbie Dome is small, dated, and leaves a lot to be desired; not trying be rude, but it's hard to argue otherwise. But aside from the stadium, does Idaho have comparable practice facilities, training rooms, locker rooms, and so forth? It's not like this league is full of schools with mega-athletic budgets...

Other than capacity our facilities are FBS-quality. Idaho needs to fix the capacity issue because it hampers our ability to capitalize on opportunities with top-drawing teams. It's an Idaho problem, but I've never really understood why this is a big issue for other teams' fans.

(12-28-2016 10:00 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(12-28-2016 01:19 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(12-27-2016 11:28 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Who knows what's going to happen, but right now Idaho doesn't have FBS facilities, and nothing that another conference wants in their league. Independence is your home if you want to stay FBS, continue to win and make yourself relevant and make the MW want you. But one good season, and I'm happy about your success this season, doesn't change your location and facilities.

Good luck Idaho.

In an era when a whole lot of money is riding on on-field performance, we're currently better at football than at least 70% of the Sun Belt. So that's at least one thing a conference would want.

Gotta do it more then just one season, string a couple together.

OK, so what happens if we do it again next year. What if we win this conference?

(12-28-2016 12:13 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  OK, so what happens if we do it again next year. What if we win this conference?

Nothing happens, as far as Idaho's membership in the Sun Belt.

If you win the Sun Belt next year, that means that Idaho wins a conference championship in their last year as a FBS school. Nothing more, nothing less.

The Sun Belt's decision has been made.

There will be no going back.

(12-23-2016 02:59 PM)NMSTFan Wrote:  

(12-23-2016 02:18 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(12-23-2016 02:00 PM)NMSTFan Wrote:  

(12-23-2016 01:56 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  The other idea would be go ahead and invite EKU and JMU as 11 and 12. With no crossover. Also good basketball adds.

Troy - APP
USA - CCU
TXSU- JMU
ULL - GSU
ULM - Ga St
ASU- EKU

Might aswell join FCS. If y'all do decided something like that.

Remember, I have no allegiance to any SBC program. Both teams are FBS capable and fit the region well. JMU and EKU would not be any worse then NMSU and probably an upgrade. That FCS view would have kept Ga So and App out of the conference. Both already have SBC titles. I only included NMSU since it was currently already part of the two year deal and thought it was the simplest solution. UMASS could easily be added with JMU or EKU but does create a northern outpost in the same time zone to get an existing FBS team. My point was I think a 12 team makes more sense when planning a CCG.

Not saying you are a fan of a Sun Belt program. However, I was just pointing out what I saw. Looks like most of the teams you listed are from an FCS conference. You made and FCS conference and labeled it FBS. Just an observation. NMSU is a much better program and I believe if SBC boots us out for them (EKU and JMU) would be a downgrade. NMSU is a state school and has more funds and better academics and is light years ahead of there FCS programs. Trust me NMSU is a hidden Gem. We are the next Arizona St

Your academics statement, regarding JMU, is completely off. Forbes ranks JMU 174 on its list of top colleges. NMSU is 419.

(12-23-2016 02:59 PM)NMSTFan Wrote:  

(12-23-2016 02:18 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(12-23-2016 02:00 PM)NMSTFan Wrote:  

(12-23-2016 01:56 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  The other idea would be go ahead and invite EKU and JMU as 11 and 12. With no crossover. Also good basketball adds.

Troy - APP
USA - CCU
TXSU- JMU
ULL - GSU
ULM - Ga St
ASU- EKU

Might aswell join FCS. If y'all do decided something like that.

Remember, I have no allegiance to any SBC program. Both teams are FBS capable and fit the region well. JMU and EKU would not be any worse then NMSU and probably an upgrade. That FCS view would have kept Ga So and App out of the conference. Both already have SBC titles. I only included NMSU since it was currently already part of the two year deal and thought it was the simplest solution. UMASS could easily be added with JMU or EKU but does create a northern outpost in the same time zone to get an existing FBS team. My point was I think a 12 team makes more sense when planning a CCG.

Not saying you are a fan of a Sun Belt program. However, I was just pointing out what I saw. Looks like most of the teams you listed are from an FCS conference. You made and FCS conference and labeled it FBS. Just an observation. NMSU is a much better program and I believe if SBC boots us out for them (EKU and JMU) would be a downgrade. NMSU is a state school and has more funds and better academics and is light years ahead of there FCS programs. Trust me NMSU is a hidden Gem. We are the next Arizona St

good lord. Really?

You should look into JMU some more.