Quote:BE's BCS Money is FOOL GOLD. Much of its goes toward scheduling OOC teams.

Okay, I'm sorry. I was talking to you under the assumption that you had some intelligence. I shouldn't have made that assumption.

brista21 Wrote:

tigersharktwo Wrote:

brista21 Wrote:

CyberBull Wrote:Glimpse of Voting for BE #9 :

USF - No, obvious reasons and UCF continue to take shots at USF; see "cowgirls" comment by O'Leary the other night...
Pitt - No, getting screwed in scheduling just like....see below...
WVU - No, see Pittsburg; UCF's last visit to WVU left a sour taste in their mouths due to players taking cheap shots and thugging it up...
UL - No, Tom Jurich was one of USF's most vocal supporters for admission to the BE; adding CFLA potentially undermines this growth; UL also heavily recruits Florida so I doubt he wants TWO teams to compete with

Syracuse - yes; was ready to admit UCF as football-only back in 2003

Cincy -- Leaning toward no; no real indication either way but UC's President is very close to USF's and have historically have voted the same back in their CDOA days...

UCONN -- ? wildcard
Rutgers -- ? another wildcard; they also recruit Florida heavily but usually for 3rd or 4th tier players. There are plenty of those around and they can sell recruits on playing in Florida at least once if not twice per year;


Overall it doesn't look good for UCF and if the BE decides it needs to add a bowl friendly program Memphis or ECU would fit the bill better than UCF

I tend to believe that Rutgers will vote with WVU as is common and vote no on UCF. ECU would probably garner our support as would Memphis.

As for RU recruiting 3rd or 4th tier players, that's starting to change and an absolute breakout season this year would virtually ensure getting the best NJ, NY, and even a few of the best Florida guys on the banks of the old Raritan.

Rutgers or UCONN are clearly not interested in a 9th team from cusa.If a psu,ND or like school ever becomes available thats a different story.ucfla cleary has no interest in the BE for football only.

Tigershark, who do you speak with at Rutgers about this. Word around campus is we're gonna have a ninth team from somewhere soon. Although the preference seems to be for Temple with Golden and D'Onofrio running the show.

lmfao lmfao lmfao He a consultant for Rutgers now, also!

nflsucks Wrote:

Quote:BE's BCS Money is FOOL GOLD. Much of its goes toward scheduling OOC teams.

Okay, I'm sorry. I was talking to you under the assumption that you had some intelligence. I shouldn't have made that assumption.

Did Buffalo just drop a BE team for a higher bidder, did not another BE team was dropped by another creampuff due the same reasons. USF let Florida A&M get the lion share of their gate plus about another $200,000 to play the game. Florida A&M is a D-1AA that got the best of USF so much for the BE's BCS money. lmfao

Magic Knight Wrote:

nflsucks Wrote:

Quote:BE's BCS Money is FOOL GOLD. Much of its goes toward scheduling OOC teams.

Okay, I'm sorry. I was talking to you under the assumption that you had some intelligence. I shouldn't have made that assumption.

Did Buffalo just drop a BE team for a higher bidder, did not another BE team was dropped by another creampuff due the same reasons. USF let Florida A&M get the lion share of their gate plus about another $200,000 to play the game. Florida A&M is a D-1AA that got the best of USF so much for the BE's BCS money. lmfao

Son we are laughing all the way to the back. USF got 3 times more in BCS Money then the entire C-USA combined.

goodknightfl Wrote:

Shannon Panther Wrote:The obvious fix is to move the UCF Marshall game to Saturday and give ESPN a different CUSA game for that Wednesday. Either that or Pitt will negotiate another appearance on ESPN to compensate them. It looks like CUSA made the mistake though.

like it or not.....
espn is the driving force here... they want the UCF marshall game in mid week that would have been worked out between CUSA and ESPN.. probably with little or no knowledge of the agreement. Pitt is a BCS school... hell they should be able to play sat... and then play ucf an non bcs school on tuesday and still beat us...

That wasn't what was agreed on. We have breach of contract. The agreement was they could move the game only if neither team gained a competitive advantage. The Marshall UCF game was scheduled after the agreement with Pitt was made.

Do not get mad get even!

Magic Knight Wrote:

nflsucks Wrote:

Quote:Leave CDOA for the Big Easy, great deal.

Thank God you aren't in charge of the UCF Athletic Department, only a fool would pass up the money you'd get being in a BCS football conference (not to mention the basketball upgrade).

But I'm sure that the UCF fans would much rather receive significantly less money and watch Tulane, Tulsa, ECU, etc. than USF, Pitt, Louisville, and West Virginia.

BE's BCS Money is FOOL GOLD. Much of its goes toward scheduling OOC teams. It was funny watching Florida A &M get the lion share of the gate from USF.

A THIRD RATE SCHOOL IN A NONBCS CONFERENCE will need games against the sunbelt and many 1AA's

Shannon Panther Wrote:

goodknightfl Wrote:

Shannon Panther Wrote:The obvious fix is to move the UCF Marshall game to Saturday and give ESPN a different CUSA game for that Wednesday. Either that or Pitt will negotiate another appearance on ESPN to compensate them. It looks like CUSA made the mistake though.

like it or not.....
espn is the driving force here... they want the UCF marshall game in mid week that would have been worked out between CUSA and ESPN.. probably with little or no knowledge of the agreement. Pitt is a BCS school... hell they should be able to play sat... and then play ucf an non bcs school on tuesday and still beat us...

That wasn't what was agreed on. We have breach of contract. The agreement was they could move the game only if neither team gained a competitive advantage. The Marshall UCF game was scheduled after the agreement with Pitt was made.

It stinks that this was moved to the smack board...

Anyway, we don't know what the agreement was. I'm pretty sure there was no written contract to not have a few extra days off. We are talking a two day difference....UCF plays many weekday games for exposure. The only reason why we moved the Pitt game to this year was because ESPN wanted to Televise the game. ESPN wanted Southern Miss against UCF too...Guess what? That is a Tuesday night game....I'm sure someone will be at some advantage or disadvantage the next week.

The reality of the situation is that Pitt needed a game and UCF helped them out and ESPN offered to Televise the game. I personally think it is crappy for Pitt to act this way of you ask me.

Wilkie01 Wrote:Do not get mad get even!

Exactly, just win on the field...I'm pretty sure UF, Alabama, Va. Tech, and other could care less if this happened. If they were pissed they would just try to run up the score.

I'm not sure how you could schedule games with C-USA schools in the future. So many games are midweek and most of us would continue to go for exposure.

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:

Shannon Panther Wrote:

goodknightfl Wrote:

Shannon Panther Wrote:The obvious fix is to move the UCF Marshall game to Saturday and give ESPN a different CUSA game for that Wednesday. Either that or Pitt will negotiate another appearance on ESPN to compensate them. It looks like CUSA made the mistake though.

like it or not.....
espn is the driving force here... they want the UCF marshall game in mid week that would have been worked out between CUSA and ESPN.. probably with little or no knowledge of the agreement. Pitt is a BCS school... hell they should be able to play sat... and then play ucf an non bcs school on tuesday and still beat us...

That wasn't what was agreed on. We have breach of contract. The agreement was they could move the game only if neither team gained a competitive advantage. The Marshall UCF game was scheduled after the agreement with Pitt was made.

It stinks that this was moved to the smack board...

Anyway, we don't know what the agreement was. I'm pretty sure there was no written contract to not have a few extra days off. We are talking a two day difference....UCF plays many weekday games for exposure. The only reason why we moved the Pitt game to this year was because ESPN wanted to Televise the game. ESPN wanted Southern Miss against UCF too...Guess what? That is a Tuesday night game....I'm sure someone will be at some advantage or disadvantage the next week.

The reality of the situation is that Pitt needed a game and UCF helped them out and ESPN offered to Televise the game. I personally think it is crappy for Pitt to act this way of you ask me.

Pitt should tell UCF to go F*%$ themselves and find another opponent. UCF breached an oral contract. Spin it anyway you want to, according to the article UCF is in material breach of contract and Pitt owes them nothing. Pitt should give them just what they owe them.

I find it humorous that you think it is crappy of Pitt to insist that UCF honor their agreements. The game was scheduled for Saturday and ESPN wanted it moved to Friday. Pitt agreed as long as there was no competetive advantage gained by UCF. UCF agreed to these terms. UCF has breached these terms. Pitt should simply walk away and have nothing more to do with UCF, ever. After the hose job they laid on WVU last season and this crap, nobody from the BE, especially USF should have anything to do with UCF at all.

I hope the buy out for the return games for this is high. Given this level of integrity, I am not counting on UCF honoring the return game they owe us.

tigersharktwo Wrote:

Magic Knight Wrote:

nflsucks Wrote:

Quote:Leave CDOA for the Big Easy, great deal.

Thank God you aren't in charge of the UCF Athletic Department, only a fool would pass up the money you'd get being in a BCS football conference (not to mention the basketball upgrade).

But I'm sure that the UCF fans would much rather receive significantly less money and watch Tulane, Tulsa, ECU, etc. than USF, Pitt, Louisville, and West Virginia.

BE's BCS Money is FOOL GOLD. Much of its goes toward scheduling OOC teams. It was funny watching Florida A &M get the lion share of the gate from USF.

A THIRD RATE SCHOOL IN A NONBCS CONFERENCE will need games against the sunbelt and many 1AA's

No one cares what you think Guppy, you have no creditability at all!

Shannon Panther Wrote:

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:

Shannon Panther Wrote:

goodknightfl Wrote:

Shannon Panther Wrote:The obvious fix is to move the UCF Marshall game to Saturday and give ESPN a different CUSA game for that Wednesday. Either that or Pitt will negotiate another appearance on ESPN to compensate them. It looks like CUSA made the mistake though.

like it or not.....
espn is the driving force here... they want the UCF marshall game in mid week that would have been worked out between CUSA and ESPN.. probably with little or no knowledge of the agreement. Pitt is a BCS school... hell they should be able to play sat... and then play ucf an non bcs school on tuesday and still beat us...

That wasn't what was agreed on. We have breach of contract. The agreement was they could move the game only if neither team gained a competitive advantage. The Marshall UCF game was scheduled after the agreement with Pitt was made.

It stinks that this was moved to the smack board...

Anyway, we don't know what the agreement was. I'm pretty sure there was no written contract to not have a few extra days off. We are talking a two day difference....UCF plays many weekday games for exposure. The only reason why we moved the Pitt game to this year was because ESPN wanted to Televise the game. ESPN wanted Southern Miss against UCF too...Guess what? That is a Tuesday night game....I'm sure someone will be at some advantage or disadvantage the next week.

The reality of the situation is that Pitt needed a game and UCF helped them out and ESPN offered to Televise the game. I personally think it is crappy for Pitt to act this way of you ask me.

Pitt should tell UCF to go F*%$ themselves and find another opponent. UCF breached an oral contract. Spin it anyway you want to, according to the article UCF is in material breach of contract and Pitt owes them nothing. Pitt should give them just what they owe them.

I find it humorous that you think it is crappy of Pitt to insist that UCF honor their agreements. The game was scheduled for Saturday and ESPN wanted it moved to Friday. Pitt agreed as long as there was no competetive advantage gained by UCF. UCF agreed to these terms. UCF has breached these terms. Pitt should simply walk away and have nothing more to do with UCF, ever. After the hose job they laid on WVU last season and this crap, nobody from the BE, especially USF should have anything to do with UCF at all.

I hope the buy out for the return games for this is high. Given this level of integrity, I am not counting on UCF honoring the return game they owe us.

First off its sounds like a verbal agreement and not a written agreement. It was the Conferences' faults. It sucks for Pitt, but UCF would've had more time off if it was on its original date, so I don't get why pitt would be super upset about this (it does suck to only have 5 days, but UCF would have more no matter what). If they are super upset...the options are as follows: Do nothing and play the game on ESPN and let UCF try to make it up to Pitt another way. UCF was already helping Pitt out by moving this game up to this year. Option 2, forget ESPN and move the game back to saturday and both schools will lose out on some tv exposure. UCF will still have more time for the game than pitt because that was how it was scheduled originally. Option 3, Pitt can decide not to show up and break the written contract which would mean that UCF would not return to Pitt in the future for the 2 that we owe them. We owe them two because this game was moved up. Normally 2 for 1s go home, away, and home. This one is away, home, and home for pitt. So they would really hurt themselves with this move. UCF is overbooked and would just find an easy replacement. But Pitt is in a worse position because they need more OOC games. I'm sure UCF will find a solution or way to repay Pitt that will make them happy. Maybe sharing more of the revenue from the game or something. Our administration isn't stupid, they'll find a way to end on good terms with Pitt. Don't let some internet fans make you mad. Thank goodness they aren't the administrations.

Pitt is a big enough name that they would have teams jumping at a chance to replace UCF on the schedule. MAC schools or even C-USA schools would love a series against Pitt.

UCF may have pissed in their own Wheaties and have alienated to many BIG EAST football schools! Looks like Memphis and ECU will be added.

the article i read said it was a cusa mess up ... all ucf did was say ok to the date change just like pitt did before they realized the prob. how many schools turn down tv deals.. if pitt is unhappy with the deal after they agreed to the switch drop the game.. I am quite sure ucf saw the TV game and just said... hell yes we will play.. and I imagine pitt did the same till they looked harder later..... If the BE is a true BCS league the slight disavantage shouldnt make any dif. look at the current recruiting classes... UCF has 6 3 stars and no 4 stars ... I think pit has something like 9 3 stars and 4 or 5 4 star kids.. it should be a miss match.. the extra couple of days should just make it a little more even. the fact of the matter is PITT is worried the playing field might be even.

Shannon Panther Wrote:

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:

Shannon Panther Wrote:

goodknightfl Wrote:

Shannon Panther Wrote:The obvious fix is to move the UCF Marshall game to Saturday and give ESPN a different CUSA game for that Wednesday. Either that or Pitt will negotiate another appearance on ESPN to compensate them. It looks like CUSA made the mistake though.

like it or not.....
espn is the driving force here... they want the UCF marshall game in mid week that would have been worked out between CUSA and ESPN.. probably with little or no knowledge of the agreement. Pitt is a BCS school... hell they should be able to play sat... and then play ucf an non bcs school on tuesday and still beat us...

That wasn't what was agreed on. We have breach of contract. The agreement was they could move the game only if neither team gained a competitive advantage. The Marshall UCF game was scheduled after the agreement with Pitt was made.

It stinks that this was moved to the smack board...

Anyway, we don't know what the agreement was. I'm pretty sure there was no written contract to not have a few extra days off. We are talking a two day difference....UCF plays many weekday games for exposure. The only reason why we moved the Pitt game to this year was because ESPN wanted to Televise the game. ESPN wanted Southern Miss against UCF too...Guess what? That is a Tuesday night game....I'm sure someone will be at some advantage or disadvantage the next week.

The reality of the situation is that Pitt needed a game and UCF helped them out and ESPN offered to Televise the game. I personally think it is crappy for Pitt to act this way of you ask me.

Pitt should tell UCF to go F*%$ themselves and find another opponent. UCF breached an oral contract. Spin it anyway you want to, according to the article UCF is in material breach of contract and Pitt owes them nothing. Pitt should give them just what they owe them.

I find it humorous that you think it is crappy of Pitt to insist that UCF honor their agreements. The game was scheduled for Saturday and ESPN wanted it moved to Friday. Pitt agreed as long as there was no competetive advantage gained by UCF. UCF agreed to these terms. UCF has breached these terms. Pitt should simply walk away and have nothing more to do with UCF, ever. After the hose job they laid on WVU last season and this crap, nobody from the BE, especially USF should have anything to do with UCF at all.

I hope the buy out for the return games for this is high. Given this level of integrity, I am not counting on UCF honoring the return game they owe us.

If Pitt wants to bolt fine....You have no proof of even a verbal agreement. At best we are looking at miscommunication. If Pitt was so concerned about an extra two days off they should have put it in the contract. It's not like UCF is trying to pull a fast one. We will continue to go after exposure....

This is the dumbest agruement ever. We are talking about 2 extra days here...that is it. This happens almost every week in college football due to weekday games. What about the Rutgers game the following week? You will have an extra day to prepare on a game that means something...A conference game! You guys should be happy...

Shannon Panther Wrote:

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:

Shannon Panther Wrote:

goodknightfl Wrote:

Shannon Panther Wrote:The obvious fix is to move the UCF Marshall game to Saturday and give ESPN a different CUSA game for that Wednesday. Either that or Pitt will negotiate another appearance on ESPN to compensate them. It looks like CUSA made the mistake though.

like it or not.....
espn is the driving force here... they want the UCF marshall game in mid week that would have been worked out between CUSA and ESPN.. probably with little or no knowledge of the agreement. Pitt is a BCS school... hell they should be able to play sat... and then play ucf an non bcs school on tuesday and still beat us...

That wasn't what was agreed on. We have breach of contract. The agreement was they could move the game only if neither team gained a competitive advantage. The Marshall UCF game was scheduled after the agreement with Pitt was made.

It stinks that this was moved to the smack board...

Anyway, we don't know what the agreement was. I'm pretty sure there was no written contract to not have a few extra days off. We are talking a two day difference....UCF plays many weekday games for exposure. The only reason why we moved the Pitt game to this year was because ESPN wanted to Televise the game. ESPN wanted Southern Miss against UCF too...Guess what? That is a Tuesday night game....I'm sure someone will be at some advantage or disadvantage the next week.

The reality of the situation is that Pitt needed a game and UCF helped them out and ESPN offered to Televise the game. I personally think it is crappy for Pitt to act this way of you ask me.

Pitt should tell UCF to go F*%$ themselves and find another opponent. UCF breached an oral contract. Spin it anyway you want to, according to the article UCF is in material breach of contract and Pitt owes them nothing. Pitt should give them just what they owe them.

I find it humorous that you think it is crappy of Pitt to insist that UCF honor their agreements. The game was scheduled for Saturday and ESPN wanted it moved to Friday. Pitt agreed as long as there was no competetive advantage gained by UCF. UCF agreed to these terms. UCF has breached these terms. Pitt should simply walk away and have nothing more to do with UCF, ever. After the hose job they laid on WVU last season and this crap, nobody from the BE, especially USF should have anything to do with UCF at all.

I hope the buy out for the return games for this is high. Given this level of integrity, I am not counting on UCF honoring the return game they owe us.

I wouldn't mind seeing you schedule with Toledo. Of course it would have to be at the Glass Bowl since Pitt has the home game this year. A win would do wonders for our status and a win for Pitt would keep your BCS bowl chances alive since we are a D-I school. ;-)

Apparently the athletic directors course in ethics is required of all UCF students based on the responses here. Let's get a few things straight.

1. The game was originally scheduled for Saturday.

2. UCF and ESPN wanted to move it to Friday. This was for UCF's benefit, not Pitt's.

3 Pitt agreed with the understanding (verbal or written, either is legally binding) that they would switch the game as long as there was no competetive advantage gained by UCF by doing so. Both parties agreed to this.

4. CUSA and/or UCF violated this agreement by scheduling the UCF Marshall game for a Wednesday night prior to the Pitt game. Giving UCF more prep time and rest prior to the game.

5. Jeff Long, Pitt's AD is PO'd because UCF reniged on the agreement.

6. The issue isn't whether Pitt should be able to beat UCF at a competetive disadvantage, it is about UCF honoring it's commitments. and they are not
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What Long should tell UCF and ESPN is, either pick UCF Marshall and Pitt will play UCF on Saturday, or move UCF Marshall to Saturday and Pitt will play on Thursday. What he will probably do is negotiate an extra game to be televised this year and play the game on Thursday.

UCF is making a bad name for themselves around the BE. First they screwed WVU last year, and I give you it was completely legal contractually but it put WVU in a bad spot, and now this with Pitt. If the AD's can't operate on a gentlemen's agreement, there is no way UCF gets any consideration for expansion in 2010.

Spin it any way you want to UCF fans, this is a breach of contract and no matter how you want to perfume the pig, you have met the enemy, and it is you.

Shannon Panther Wrote:Apparently the athletic directors course in ethics is required of all UCF students based on the responses here. Let's get a few things straight.

1. The game was originally scheduled for Saturday.

2. UCF and ESPN wanted to move it to Friday. This was for UCF's benefit, not Pitt's.

3 Pitt agreed with the understanding (verbal or written, either is legally binding) that they would switch the game as long as there was no competetive advantage gained by UCF by doing so. Both parties agreed to this.

4. CUSA and/or UCF violated this agreement by scheduling the UCF Marshall game for a Wednesday night prior to the Pitt game. Giving UCF more prep time and rest prior to the game.

5. Jeff Long, Pitt's AD is PO'd because UCF reniged on the agreement.

6. The issue isn't whether Pitt should be able to beat UCF at a competetive disadvantage, it is about UCF honoring it's commitments. and they are not
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What Long should tell UCF and ESPN is, either pick UCF Marshall and Pitt will play UCF on Saturday, or move UCF Marshall to Saturday and Pitt will play on Thursday. What he will probably do is negotiate an extra game to be televised this year and play the game on Thursday.

UCF is making a bad name for themselves around the BE. First they screwed WVU last year, and I give you it was completely legal contractually but it put WVU in a bad spot, and now this with Pitt. If the AD's can't operate on a gentlemen's agreement, there is no way UCF gets any consideration for expansion in 2010.

Spin it any way you want to UCF fans, this is a breach of contract and no matter how you want to perfume the pig, you have met the enemy, and it is you.

We don't know the details, so to say we are creating a bad name is not even fair. You put the details in the contract if you want to make sure....This is a business and you have to maintain common sense.

It doesn't make sense for UCF to join a northeast based league....So I'm not concerned about those issues either.

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:

Shannon Panther Wrote:Apparently the athletic directors course in ethics is required of all UCF students based on the responses here. Let's get a few things straight.

1. The game was originally scheduled for Saturday.

2. UCF and ESPN wanted to move it to Friday. This was for UCF's benefit, not Pitt's.

3 Pitt agreed with the understanding (verbal or written, either is legally binding) that they would switch the game as long as there was no competetive advantage gained by UCF by doing so. Both parties agreed to this.

4. CUSA and/or UCF violated this agreement by scheduling the UCF Marshall game for a Wednesday night prior to the Pitt game. Giving UCF more prep time and rest prior to the game.

5. Jeff Long, Pitt's AD is PO'd because UCF reniged on the agreement.

6. The issue isn't whether Pitt should be able to beat UCF at a competetive disadvantage, it is about UCF honoring it's commitments. and they are not
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What Long should tell UCF and ESPN is, either pick UCF Marshall and Pitt will play UCF on Saturday, or move UCF Marshall to Saturday and Pitt will play on Thursday. What he will probably do is negotiate an extra game to be televised this year and play the game on Thursday.

UCF is making a bad name for themselves around the BE. First they screwed WVU last year, and I give you it was completely legal contractually but it put WVU in a bad spot, and now this with Pitt. If the AD's can't operate on a gentlemen's agreement, there is no way UCF gets any consideration for expansion in 2010.

Spin it any way you want to UCF fans, this is a breach of contract and no matter how you want to perfume the pig, you have met the enemy, and it is you.

We don't know the details, so to say we are creating a bad name is not even fair. You put the details in the contract if you want to make sure....This is a business and you have to maintain common sense.

It doesn't make sense for UCF to join a northeast based league....So I'm not concerned about those issues either.

You apparently have the same integrity level as your AD. The article clearly states that the two schools agreed that the switch would be made only if neither team gained a competetive advantage. UCF violated that agreement. It's all about integrity.