(05-22-2017 07:15 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 02:02 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 10:34 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 09:07 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  State-by-state breakdown:

As an addendum, here's a rank of states and their ratio of people (in millions) to team, listed in descending order:

It would be very interesting to see this done for only FBS.

I don't feel like going back and calculating it again, although one would think that Missouri, New Jersey, New York, and Wisconsin would be shown as under-developed for FBS football while Ohio, Michigan, and Louisiana are oversaturated.

Ohio may not be oversaturated since it is a very large state.

California and Florida might be underused for FBS for how many FBS teams. New York is the worst of all the states with only Syracuse, Buffalo and Army at the FBS level. We could use some more from that state and from Pennsylvania.

(05-21-2017 03:44 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I thought it was bad how these big western states had 1-3 programs apiece until I saw that Minnesota had one. Yet Minnesota sports are mediocre at best.

Minnesota actually does well in the learfield standings. Currently top 10.

But their main sports have been mediocre for as long as I've followed.

(05-22-2017 07:30 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 07:04 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 12:16 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 09:07 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  State-by-state breakdown:
Hawaii - 1
Minnesota - 1
Maine - 1
Vermont - 1
Wyoming - 1

Delaware - 2
Montana - 2
Nevada - 2
New Hampshire - 2
New Mexico - 2
North Dakota - 2
South Dakota - 2
West Virginia - 2

Arizona - 3
Idaho - 3
Kansas - 3
Nebraska - 3

District of Columbia - 4
Iowa - 4
Oklahoma - 4
Oregon - 4
Rhode Island - 4
Wisconsin - 4

Arkansas - 5
Colorado - 5
Missouri - 5
Washington - 5

Massachusetts - 6
Mississippi - 6
Utah - 6

Connecticut - 7
Georgia - 7
Kentucky - 7
Michigan - 7

New Jersey - 8

Alabama - 9
Maryland - 9

Indiana - 10

Louisiana - 12
South Carolina - 12
Tennessee - 12

Florida - 13
Illinois - 13
Ohio - 13

Pennsylvania - 14
Virginia - 14

North Carolina - 18

New York - 21
Texas - 21

California - 24

IMHO states with too many DI teams (based on population and number of division one athletes): North Carolina, Louisiana, Ohio Indiana and Alabama.

States that do not have enough: Missouri and New Jersey

Doesn't Arizona have 4 now? Arizona, ASU, NAU and Grand Canyon?

He excluded the transitioning programs. After July 1, there will be four full DI schools,

Then how did Grand Canyon host Louisville, San Diego St and New Mexico if they aren't full D1? NCAA doesn't allow D1 schools to travel to non D1 schools for away games do they?

(05-23-2017 08:25 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 07:30 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 07:04 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 12:16 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 09:07 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  State-by-state breakdown:
Hawaii - 1
Minnesota - 1
Maine - 1
Vermont - 1
Wyoming - 1

Delaware - 2
Montana - 2
Nevada - 2
New Hampshire - 2
New Mexico - 2
North Dakota - 2
South Dakota - 2
West Virginia - 2

Arizona - 3
Idaho - 3
Kansas - 3
Nebraska - 3

District of Columbia - 4
Iowa - 4
Oklahoma - 4
Oregon - 4
Rhode Island - 4
Wisconsin - 4

Arkansas - 5
Colorado - 5
Missouri - 5
Washington - 5

Massachusetts - 6
Mississippi - 6
Utah - 6

Connecticut - 7
Georgia - 7
Kentucky - 7
Michigan - 7

New Jersey - 8

Alabama - 9
Maryland - 9

Indiana - 10

Louisiana - 12
South Carolina - 12
Tennessee - 12

Florida - 13
Illinois - 13
Ohio - 13

Pennsylvania - 14
Virginia - 14

North Carolina - 18

New York - 21
Texas - 21

California - 24

IMHO states with too many DI teams (based on population and number of division one athletes): North Carolina, Louisiana, Ohio Indiana and Alabama.

States that do not have enough: Missouri and New Jersey

Doesn't Arizona have 4 now? Arizona, ASU, NAU and Grand Canyon?

He excluded the transitioning programs. After July 1, there will be four full DI schools,

Then how did Grand Canyon host Louisville, San Diego St and New Mexico if they aren't full D1? NCAA doesn't allow D1 schools to travel to non D1 schools for away games do they?

2017-2018 school yeAr, Grand Canyon U. becomes full member.

(05-23-2017 08:25 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 07:30 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 07:04 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 12:16 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 09:07 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  State-by-state breakdown:
Hawaii - 1
Minnesota - 1
Maine - 1
Vermont - 1
Wyoming - 1

Delaware - 2
Montana - 2
Nevada - 2
New Hampshire - 2
New Mexico - 2
North Dakota - 2
South Dakota - 2
West Virginia - 2

Arizona - 3
Idaho - 3
Kansas - 3
Nebraska - 3

District of Columbia - 4
Iowa - 4
Oklahoma - 4
Oregon - 4
Rhode Island - 4
Wisconsin - 4

Arkansas - 5
Colorado - 5
Missouri - 5
Washington - 5

Massachusetts - 6
Mississippi - 6
Utah - 6

Connecticut - 7
Georgia - 7
Kentucky - 7
Michigan - 7

New Jersey - 8

Alabama - 9
Maryland - 9

Indiana - 10

Louisiana - 12
South Carolina - 12
Tennessee - 12

Florida - 13
Illinois - 13
Ohio - 13

Pennsylvania - 14
Virginia - 14

North Carolina - 18

New York - 21
Texas - 21

California - 24

IMHO states with too many DI teams (based on population and number of division one athletes): North Carolina, Louisiana, Ohio Indiana and Alabama.

States that do not have enough: Missouri and New Jersey

Doesn't Arizona have 4 now? Arizona, ASU, NAU and Grand Canyon?

He excluded the transitioning programs. After July 1, there will be four full DI schools,

Then how did Grand Canyon host Louisville, San Diego St and New Mexico if they aren't full D1? NCAA doesn't allow D1 schools to travel to non D1 schools for away games do they?

They can travel wherever they want. No restrictions. But they are a transitional school. Count as D1 for opponents. Just not considered full D1 yet, as the NCAA could still deny them (or any other transitional team) full membership in D1 if they haven't met all the criteria.

(05-23-2017 08:25 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Then how did Grand Canyon host Louisville, San Diego St and New Mexico if they aren't full D1? NCAA doesn't allow D1 schools to travel to non D1 schools for away games do they?

Coach Pitino wanted a an early season contest to resemble a conference or tournament game. He got it with Grand Canyon. Besides Dan Majerle is a friend and wanted to help him with his program.
Pitino said the crowd was tougher than Duke or Kentucky.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketb...-kentucky/

(05-23-2017 11:24 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 08:25 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Then how did Grand Canyon host Louisville, San Diego St and New Mexico if they aren't full D1? NCAA doesn't allow D1 schools to travel to non D1 schools for away games do they?

Coach Pitino wanted a an early season contest to resemble a conference or tournament game. He got it with Grand Canyon. Besides Dan Majerle is a friend and wanted to help him with his program.
Pitino said the crowd was tougher than Duke or Kentucky.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketb...-kentucky/

Like a 1-16 or 2-15 Tournament game.

(05-21-2017 05:48 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  You can see how I-35 essentially cuts the country in half

There are only 60 schools (including Hawai'i) west of I-35 (more or less the dividing line). Out of what, 345 schools?

(05-22-2017 09:36 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  But their main sports have been mediocre for as long as I've followed.

How are you defining "mediocre?" And how long have you been following?

They've made the NCAA basketball tournament 4 times since 2009. They made the Final Four in 1997 (although it was vacated).

In football they have 7 national titles. They haven't won the Big Ten since 1967, but Glenn Mason led them to 2 ranked seasons in the early 2000s. Their big problem is that Tim Brewster (07-10) was a disastrous hire. Jerry Kill took a couple seasons to turn it around, posting back-to-back 8-5 seasons but then he had to retire for health reasons. Nevertheless, they still won 9 games last year.

They're not Michigan or Ohio State, but a lot of schools (including Houston) would love to be as "mediocre" as Minnesota.

The big cutoff up I-35 is roughly the farthest reach of gulf air moisture/precipitation. The cities (and D1 universities) of the mountain west coincide with areas of naturally higher precipitation compared to surrounding areas.

Should there be a special color for D2 schools winning the D1 championship?

McKendree's women's bowling defeated Nebraska to claim the D1 NCAA Women's Bowling Championship.

http://www.ncaa.com/sports/bowling

Is this an embarrassment for a P5 school to lose to a D2 school for a National Championship? We have part time D1 schools. Would they get a special color for what sports they are in, and a color to show they are D1 champs in a sport?

(05-23-2017 06:04 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Should there be a special color for D2 schools winning the D1 championship?

McKendree's women's bowling defeated Nebraska to claim the D1 NCAA Women's Bowling Championship.

http://www.ncaa.com/sports/bowling

Is this an embarrassment for a P5 school to lose to a D2 school for a National Championship? We have part time D1 schools. Would they get a special color for what sports they are in, and a color to show they are D1 champs in a sport?

There is no such thing as a part time D1 school. There are sports that are not divided into divisions, like Bowling.

(05-23-2017 06:18 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 06:04 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Should there be a special color for D2 schools winning the D1 championship?

McKendree's women's bowling defeated Nebraska to claim the D1 NCAA Women's Bowling Championship.

http://www.ncaa.com/sports/bowling

Is this an embarrassment for a P5 school to lose to a D2 school for a National Championship? We have part time D1 schools. Would they get a special color for what sports they are in, and a color to show they are D1 champs in a sport?

There is no such thing as a part time D1 school. There are sports that are not divided into divisions, like Bowling.

There are schools that have one or two Division 1 teams. They exist primarily in hockey, lacrosse, and soccer with a few others like Dallas Baptist in baseball.

(05-23-2017 06:32 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 06:18 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 06:04 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Should there be a special color for D2 schools winning the D1 championship?

McKendree's women's bowling defeated Nebraska to claim the D1 NCAA Women's Bowling Championship.

http://www.ncaa.com/sports/bowling

Is this an embarrassment for a P5 school to lose to a D2 school for a National Championship? We have part time D1 schools. Would they get a special color for what sports they are in, and a color to show they are D1 champs in a sport?

There is no such thing as a part time D1 school. There are sports that are not divided into divisions, like Bowling.

There are schools that have one or two Division 1 teams. They exist primarily in hockey, lacrosse, and soccer with a few others like Dallas Baptist in baseball.

Yes, but they have no classification as DI Athletic programs - only selected sports where there is either no DII championship or they are grandfathered in (have to have been DI in that sport before 2011)

(05-23-2017 06:32 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 06:18 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 06:04 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Should there be a special color for D2 schools winning the D1 championship?

McKendree's women's bowling defeated Nebraska to claim the D1 NCAA Women's Bowling Championship.

http://www.ncaa.com/sports/bowling

Is this an embarrassment for a P5 school to lose to a D2 school for a National Championship? We have part time D1 schools. Would they get a special color for what sports they are in, and a color to show they are D1 champs in a sport?

There is no such thing as a part time D1 school. There are sports that are not divided into divisions, like Bowling.

There are schools that have one or two Division 1 teams. They exist primarily in hockey, lacrosse, and soccer with a few others like Dallas Baptist in baseball.

Several schools that are primarily in Division II field Division I wrestling programs: Bloomsburg, Clarion, Edinboro, & Lock Haven. Franklin & Marshall is DIII and fields a D1 wrestling program.

(05-23-2017 01:27 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  [quote='_C2_' pid='14353832' dateline='1495506980']
But their main sports have been mediocre for as long as I've followed.

How are you defining "mediocre?" And how long have you been following?

They've made the NCAA basketball tournament 4 times since 2009. They made the Final Four in 1997 (although it was vacated).

In football they have 7 national titles. They haven't won the Big Ten since 1967, but Glenn Mason led them to 2 ranked seasons in the early 2000s. Their big problem is that Tim Brewster (07-10) was a disastrous hire. Jerry Kill took a couple seasons to turn it around, posting back-to-back 8-5 seasons but then he had to retire for health reasons. Nevertheless, they still won 9 games last year.

They're not Michigan or Ohio State, but a lot of schools (including Houston) would love to be as "mediocre" as Minnesota.
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Minnesota has a phenomenal wrestling program

Minnesota won national titles in the leather helmet era or close enough. That stat of them not winning the B1G in 50 years says it all.

(05-23-2017 07:20 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Minnesota won national titles in the leather helmet era or close enough. That stat of them not winning the B1G in 50 years says it all.

The Gophers playing in the Metrodump off campus really took the air out of their program. It's just now getting on its feet again, with their new stadium on campus. Gopher football has been a relatively minor fan event though ever since the Vikings came and started winning soon after. The Vikings are what most care about now.

Gopher basketball used to be so much better before the Timberwolves.

The time between the North Stars leaving for Dallas and the Wild coming to St Paul seems to be the Gopher hockey golden era.

Minneapolis-St Paul seems much more a pro sports town and that goes for the state too now. Prior to 1960, other than the Lakers, the Gophers ruled supreme. Even in the out-state part, Gopher t-shirts are much more rare than their pro teams. That doesn't seem to hold for Ohio or Michigan.

Ohio may be a little oversaturated in terms of FBS, but I think it has the right number of overall Division I programs. 12 of the 13 universities have enrollment in the five digits, with 11 having at least 15,000, and Xavier is still a pretty good program despite being the one with a four-digit enrollment. I mean, yes, there are some five-digit enrollment universities in Division II and III, but they're the exception rather than the rule.