(05-21-2017 09:07 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  State-by-state breakdown:
Hawaii - 1
Minnesota - 1
Maine - 1
Vermont - 1
Wyoming - 1

Delaware - 2
Montana - 2
Nevada - 2
New Hampshire - 2
New Mexico - 2
North Dakota - 2
South Dakota - 2
West Virginia - 2

Arizona - 3
Idaho - 3
Kansas - 3
Nebraska - 3

District of Columbia - 4
Iowa - 4
Oklahoma - 4
Oregon - 4
Rhode Island - 4
Wisconsin - 4

Arkansas - 5
Colorado - 5
Missouri - 5
Washington - 5

Massachusetts - 6
Mississippi - 6
Utah - 6

Connecticut - 7
Georgia - 7
Kentucky - 7
Michigan - 7

New Jersey - 8

Alabama - 9
Maryland - 9

Indiana - 10

Louisiana - 12
South Carolina - 12
Tennessee - 12

Florida - 13
Illinois - 13
Ohio - 13

Pennsylvania - 14
Virginia - 14

North Carolina - 18

New York - 21
Texas - 21

California - 24

IMHO states with too many DI teams (based on population and number of division one athletes): North Carolina, Louisiana, Ohio Indiana and Alabama.

States that do not have enough: Missouri and New Jersey

New Jersey has a lot of smaller schools that have decent fan bases, but don't have the state support to go D1. Schools like Caldwell, Rowan, Glassboro, Richard Stockton, and Montclair have a lot of support in state, but little outside it.

I you're looking for a "hard line", it's not I-35 or I-29, it's US Hwy 281.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Route_281

(05-22-2017 09:47 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 07:51 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 07:45 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  There are a total of 351 DI programs. Only 138 of them are west of the Mississippi River. That's a wild statistic.

What percentage of the US population is west of the Mississippi river?

This says 41%

http://www.answers.com/Q/What_it_the_pop...ississippi

138 of 351 D1 programs west of the Mississippi is 39% so its pretty population proportionate.

There's only 27 FBS schools out of 131 total, west of Texas. And two of them (NMSU & Idaho) could be gone in a year. So out of 131 FBS football programs there could be only 25 west of Texas. Smallest number ever, with an exploding population in places like Vegas, Pheonix, Denver, Portland & Seattle and of course LA, San Diego and San Fran/San Jose.

Population growth also happened to Bullhead City. Last time I used to lived there, less than 10,000. It is bigger than that now. Kingman, Parker, Needles, Lake Havasu City, Blythe and Yuma, all along the Colorado River have grown since the last time I have been there. Parker was like 1,000 and now is up there close to 5000. It might be the casino industry that helped that area grow. Many Native Americans opened up casinos in these areas.
Colorado Springs, Grand Junction and Pueblo have grown since the last time I was there.
Idaho have grown more since it was less than 1 million since I was there.
Spokane area, Bellingham, my birthplace Tacoma, Olympia, Vancouver (Wash.), Anacortes, and many cities along the I5 corridor or close by I5 and other major freeways and highways have grown. Even the town with Central Washington have grown in population since then. The population growth is in states like Arizona, Colorado, Idaho, Washington, Oregon, California, west Texas, Weatherford (OK), Ada (OK) and many cities in those areas. Amarillo's city limit is only like 7 miles
north of Canyon which the city limit seems to grow outward even more. In a few years, Canyon could be really a suburbs of Amarillo.

(05-21-2017 10:34 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 09:07 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  State-by-state breakdown:

As an addendum, here's a rank of states and their ratio of people (in millions) to team, listed in descending order:

Minnesota: 5.52
Arizona: 2.31
California: 1.64
Florida: 1.59
Georgia: 1.47
Nevada: 1.47
Washington: 1.46
Wisconsin: 1.45
Hawaii: 1.43
Michigan: 1.42
Maine: 1.33
Texas: 1.33
Missouri: 1.22
Massachusetts: 1.14
New Jersey: 1.12
Colorado: 1.11
New Mexico: 1.04
Oregon: 1.02
Illinois: 0.98
Oklahoma: 0.98
Kansas: 0.97
New York: 0.94
West Virginia: 0.92
Pennsylvania: 0.91
Ohio: 0.89
Iowa: 0.79
New Hampshire: 0.67
Maryland: 0.67
Indiana: 0.66
Nebraska: 0.63
Vermont: 0.62
Virginia: 0.60
Arkansas: 0.60
Wyoming: 0.59
North Carolina: 0.56
Idaho: 0.56
Tennessee: 0.55
Alabama: 0.54
Montana: 0.52
Connecticut: 0.51
Utah: 0.51
Mississippi: 0.50
Delaware: 0.48
South Dakota: 0.44
South Carolina: 0.41
Louisiana: 0.39
North Dakota: 0.38
Rhode Island: 0.27
DC: 0.17
Alaska: N/A

It would be very interesting to see this done for only FBS.

I get the impression some of you have never driven across the plains states or Rocky Mountain states both Northwest and Southwest. There aren't just large swaths of land with no D1 schools, there are large swaths of land where you have very little, and in some cases NO population.

South Carolina is a little deceptive because it has some microscopic schools in D-I.

Wofford makes Wake Forest look like UT-Austin. It's a city block sized private.

Furman, as anybody who has seen that ridiculous campus knows, is a rich private with some size and room to grow but forever limited by the price to get in.

SC State may not exist in another few years ... their enrollment is collapsing and they more or less got a bailout from Columbia to keep going.

Presbyterian is also tiny and has few resources.

(05-22-2017 03:32 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  I get the impression some of you have never driven across the plains states or Rocky Mountain states both Northwest and Southwest. There aren't just large swaths of land with no D1 schools, there are large swaths of land where you have very little, and in some cases NO population.

It just depends. There are a lot of empty space between Grand Junction and Denver. Grand Junction and Durango big cities in Western Colorado. Grand Junction metro population is over 140,000 according to census of 2011. It could be over 150,000 by now. Western Colorado is more of farmland and ranches.

As for the southwest? The Colorado River from Bullhead City down to Yuma have grown a lot. Summertime, there are a lot of resorts and campgrounds along the river between Parker and Parker Dam, some south of Parker on the California side, and some in the Lake Havasu City on both sides of the lake. Like I said, the major cities or population centers are mainly along major highways or freeways, and in some cases, along a major river.

(05-22-2017 03:32 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  I get the impression some of you have never driven across the plains states or Rocky Mountain states both Northwest and Southwest. There aren't just large swaths of land with no D1 schools, there are large swaths of land where you have very little, and in some cases NO population.

Ya don't say? If not for irrigation, Hoover Dam and what not, there'd be even fewer people. Phoenix, Vegas, Salt Lake, Albuquerque and even LA to an extent exist mostly because of it.

(05-22-2017 12:16 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 09:07 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  State-by-state breakdown:
Hawaii - 1
Minnesota - 1
Maine - 1
Vermont - 1
Wyoming - 1

Delaware - 2
Montana - 2
Nevada - 2
New Hampshire - 2
New Mexico - 2
North Dakota - 2
South Dakota - 2
West Virginia - 2

Arizona - 3
Idaho - 3
Kansas - 3
Nebraska - 3

District of Columbia - 4
Iowa - 4
Oklahoma - 4
Oregon - 4
Rhode Island - 4
Wisconsin - 4

Arkansas - 5
Colorado - 5
Missouri - 5
Washington - 5

Massachusetts - 6
Mississippi - 6
Utah - 6

Connecticut - 7
Georgia - 7
Kentucky - 7
Michigan - 7

New Jersey - 8

Alabama - 9
Maryland - 9

Indiana - 10

Louisiana - 12
South Carolina - 12
Tennessee - 12

Florida - 13
Illinois - 13
Ohio - 13

Pennsylvania - 14
Virginia - 14

North Carolina - 18

New York - 21
Texas - 21

California - 24

IMHO states with too many DI teams (based on population and number of division one athletes): North Carolina, Louisiana, Ohio Indiana and Alabama.

States that do not have enough: Missouri and New Jersey

Doesn't Arizona have 4 now? Arizona, ASU, NAU and Grand Canyon?

(05-22-2017 05:21 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 03:32 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  I get the impression some of you have never driven across the plains states or Rocky Mountain states both Northwest and Southwest. There aren't just large swaths of land with no D1 schools, there are large swaths of land where you have very little, and in some cases NO population.

It just depends. There are a lot of empty space between Grand Junction and Denver. Grand Junction and Durango big cities in Western Colorado. Grand Junction metro population is over 140,000 according to census of 2011. It could be over 150,000 by now. Western Colorado is more of farmland and ranches.

As for the southwest? The Colorado River from Bullhead City down to Yuma have grown a lot. Summertime, there are a lot of resorts and campgrounds along the river between Parker and Parker Dam, some south of Parker on the California side, and some in the Lake Havasu City on both sides of the lake. Like I said, the major cities or population centers are mainly along major highways or freeways, and in some cases, along a major river.

You must mean Eastern Colorado. I'm pretty sure Western Colorado is mostly mountainous terrain.

(05-22-2017 06:59 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 03:32 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  I get the impression some of you have never driven across the plains states or Rocky Mountain states both Northwest and Southwest. There aren't just large swaths of land with no D1 schools, there are large swaths of land where you have very little, and in some cases NO population.

Ya don't say? If not for irrigation, Hoover Dam and what not, there'd be even fewer people. Phoenix, Vegas, Salt Lake, Albuquerque and even LA to an extent exist mostly because of it.

trust me, I know. Once you get past Omaha, KC, OKC and Dallas and head west you can go hours and hours and hours before you come across Denver or Albuquerque. Then another gap before Salt Lake, Phoenix and then another gap to Las Vegas, LA. I work from Houston to Vegas, and anything and everything between. The least understood part of the country (IMO) is New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, Arizona and Nevada. The true Mountain West. Beautiful with very few people and few stops in between the big cities of each state.

(05-22-2017 02:02 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 10:34 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 09:07 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  State-by-state breakdown:

As an addendum, here's a rank of states and their ratio of people (in millions) to team, listed in descending order:

It would be very interesting to see this done for only FBS.

I don't feel like going back and calculating it again, although one would think that Missouri, New Jersey, New York, and Wisconsin would be shown as under-developed for FBS football while Ohio, Michigan, and Louisiana are oversaturated.

You didn't even mention El Paso, my personal favorite.

(05-22-2017 07:10 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 05:21 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 03:32 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  I get the impression some of you have never driven across the plains states or Rocky Mountain states both Northwest and Southwest. There aren't just large swaths of land with no D1 schools, there are large swaths of land where you have very little, and in some cases NO population.

It just depends. There are a lot of empty space between Grand Junction and Denver. Grand Junction and Durango big cities in Western Colorado. Grand Junction metro population is over 140,000 according to census of 2011. It could be over 150,000 by now. Western Colorado is more of farmland and ranches.

As for the southwest? The Colorado River from Bullhead City down to Yuma have grown a lot. Summertime, there are a lot of resorts and campgrounds along the river between Parker and Parker Dam, some south of Parker on the California side, and some in the Lake Havasu City on both sides of the lake. Like I said, the major cities or population centers are mainly along major highways or freeways, and in some cases, along a major river.

You must mean Eastern Colorado. I'm pretty sure Western Colorado is mostly mountainous terrain.

Yeah. There's reallly only one big town in Western Colorado and that's Grand Junction. My favorite place in the world is a little mountain town south of there about an hour from Durango: Pagosa Springs. Heaven on earth. God's country.

(05-22-2017 07:16 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  You didn't even mention El Paso, my personal favorite.

I like El Paso. It has a pretty mountain range. They also serve New Mexico green chili there and not Tex Mex.

(05-22-2017 06:59 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 03:32 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  I get the impression some of you have never driven across the plains states or Rocky Mountain states both Northwest and Southwest. There aren't just large swaths of land with no D1 schools, there are large swaths of land where you have very little, and in some cases NO population.

Ya don't say? If not for irrigation, Hoover Dam and what not, there'd be even fewer people. Phoenix, Vegas, Salt Lake, Albuquerque and even LA to an extent exist mostly because of it.

Albuquerque and Salt Lake get a lot of winter snow....much different than Phoenix and Las Vegas of the desert with the big cactus from the western movies. Nothing at all the same like people in the East think. Much greener with tall trees and rivers and actual winters too....I put Colorado, New Mexico and Utah with their ski resorts in a different geographic category than I do with Phoenix & Las Vegas with their Palm Trees and Sequoa Cactus....

(05-22-2017 07:15 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 02:02 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 10:34 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 09:07 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  State-by-state breakdown:

As an addendum, here's a rank of states and their ratio of people (in millions) to team, listed in descending order:

It would be very interesting to see this done for only FBS.

I don't feel like going back and calculating it again, although one would think that Missouri, New Jersey, New York, and Wisconsin would be shown as under-developed for FBS football while Ohio, Michigan, and Louisiana are oversaturated.

Back to the subject, Louisiana is the most oversaturated. Budget concerns too....

(05-22-2017 07:04 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 12:16 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 09:07 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  State-by-state breakdown:
Hawaii - 1
Minnesota - 1
Maine - 1
Vermont - 1
Wyoming - 1

Delaware - 2
Montana - 2
Nevada - 2
New Hampshire - 2
New Mexico - 2
North Dakota - 2
South Dakota - 2
West Virginia - 2

Arizona - 3
Idaho - 3
Kansas - 3
Nebraska - 3

District of Columbia - 4
Iowa - 4
Oklahoma - 4
Oregon - 4
Rhode Island - 4
Wisconsin - 4

Arkansas - 5
Colorado - 5
Missouri - 5
Washington - 5

Massachusetts - 6
Mississippi - 6
Utah - 6

Connecticut - 7
Georgia - 7
Kentucky - 7
Michigan - 7

New Jersey - 8

Alabama - 9
Maryland - 9

Indiana - 10

Louisiana - 12
South Carolina - 12
Tennessee - 12

Florida - 13
Illinois - 13
Ohio - 13

Pennsylvania - 14
Virginia - 14

North Carolina - 18

New York - 21
Texas - 21

California - 24

IMHO states with too many DI teams (based on population and number of division one athletes): North Carolina, Louisiana, Ohio Indiana and Alabama.

States that do not have enough: Missouri and New Jersey

Doesn't Arizona have 4 now? Arizona, ASU, NAU and Grand Canyon?

He excluded the transitioning programs. After July 1, there will be four full DI schools,

(05-22-2017 07:10 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 05:21 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 03:32 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  I get the impression some of you have never driven across the plains states or Rocky Mountain states both Northwest and Southwest. There aren't just large swaths of land with no D1 schools, there are large swaths of land where you have very little, and in some cases NO population.

It just depends. There are a lot of empty space between Grand Junction and Denver. Grand Junction and Durango big cities in Western Colorado. Grand Junction metro population is over 140,000 according to census of 2011. It could be over 150,000 by now. Western Colorado is more of farmland and ranches.

As for the southwest? The Colorado River from Bullhead City down to Yuma have grown a lot. Summertime, there are a lot of resorts and campgrounds along the river between Parker and Parker Dam, some south of Parker on the California side, and some in the Lake Havasu City on both sides of the lake. Like I said, the major cities or population centers are mainly along major highways or freeways, and in some cases, along a major river.

You must mean Eastern Colorado. I'm pretty sure Western Colorado is mostly mountainous terrain.

There are some areas around Salida (bought some very hot chili peppers there from farmers), Montrose, Durango, Cortez and Gunnerson are flat areas that could be farming and ranching. They are higher up, but they are in a valley area between mountains that could be used as farmland.