Really good press all across the region in regards to this series.

http://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/new...ed-to.html

The game will be shown on ESPN and falls under the rent free setup the Panthers agreed to with the city of Charlotte.

The recruiting incentives are endless due to this series. If you are a three star prospect in the Charlotte area receiving looks from UNCC, App, ECU, and maybe a few other G5s outside the region, this type of stuff really helps you narrow down the final pick.

(01-18-2017 05:52 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 04:56 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 12:56 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 05:50 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 03:16 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  Plan (likely) includes relocating the track, a tear down & rebuild of our field house in the north endzone, addition of club seats in that endzone, and additional seating along both sidelines. I'd be willing to guess all in, this would bring our official capacity to 28-29k, maybe more depending on exactly what they do. Actual capacity should be 33-35k.

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Good to hear. A lot of silly angst among ECU fans about playing a game in Boone but it will be fun and by 2025 you guys will have been FBS for a full decade. I'd have had an issue if we had like agreed to go to Boone within the first couple of years you were up or something but by 2025 you guys are going to be a firmly established FBS program.

G5 AAC ECU has a problem playing in Boone within our first few years in FBS, but P5 ACC Miami and Wake don't? ?

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Do you think either of those 2 want or care about the allotment of tickets you were able to offer them? You are taking this as a shot at your program and it's not. This is just about logistics there's probably no way that at your current capacity you'd be able to offer the visitor allotment we would want/need to play that game. By 2025 I doubt that's a problem. If I'm wrong though tell me do you think it would be possible with your current stadium configuration to reserve 4 to 5k seats as our allotment?

Don't get me wrong here. It is expressly because we can't accommodate a fan base like ECU's that I have been very aggressive calling for expansion (and elimination of the track & bank) for many years. But that isn't the vibe being put out by a lot of ECU fans and your comment. I'm hearing more along the lines that App hasn't paid sufficient dues in order to host someone like ECU. No question ECU is far ahead of App in stadium size, attendance and fund raising. But the two programs are a lot closer on the field than most ECU fans will admit. It's quite clear a large portion of ECU folks thinks little brother App needs to show more respect to big brother ECU. I wonder if App had a 35K SEAT stadium would your comment have been different? If not you are being more than just a tad hypocritical considering it would be equal to or larger than 5 stadiums ECU has played in over the past several years.

I didn't mean my vibe to come off that App isn't a good program or hasn't "paid its dues" or whatever. Yes there are ECU fans, a lot of them, that feel the way you are describing. I'm not in that group. I think it's insanely hypocritical to take that stance with you guys and then complain about State and UNC doing it towards us. Now yes I believe this does benefit App more than ECU, but I believe it does benefit ECU short and long term for a whole host of reasons. As for why I wouldn't have wanted ECU to play at App immediately upon moving up I can only speak for me but yes it's about the stadium and that currently I see no way you'd be able to give us the same allotment we'd give you. ECU faced that same problem for years, but once we got to 43k we started getting a much higher caliber of OOC opponent at home. If you guys were at 35k right now you wouldn't hear me complain in the least about coming up there because you'd be able to accommodate us the same as we can you. Yes there are stadiums in our league like Tulane, Tulsa, and SMU that are roughly that size or smaller, but we aren't bringing more than a few hundred to those. For ECU-App we'll allot and expect you to sell 4-5k in Greenville and we'll do the same in Boone and currently I don't think you can offer that. I would expect by 2025 this won't be a problem and after this series I'd expect we end up playing fairly regularly on even terms.

(01-19-2017 08:52 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 05:52 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 04:56 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 12:56 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 05:50 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Good to hear. A lot of silly angst among ECU fans about playing a game in Boone but it will be fun and by 2025 you guys will have been FBS for a full decade. I'd have had an issue if we had like agreed to go to Boone within the first couple of years you were up or something but by 2025 you guys are going to be a firmly established FBS program.

G5 AAC ECU has a problem playing in Boone within our first few years in FBS, but P5 ACC Miami and Wake don't? ?

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Do you think either of those 2 want or care about the allotment of tickets you were able to offer them? You are taking this as a shot at your program and it's not. This is just about logistics there's probably no way that at your current capacity you'd be able to offer the visitor allotment we would want/need to play that game. By 2025 I doubt that's a problem. If I'm wrong though tell me do you think it would be possible with your current stadium configuration to reserve 4 to 5k seats as our allotment?

Don't get me wrong here. It is expressly because we can't accommodate a fan base like ECU's that I have been very aggressive calling for expansion (and elimination of the track & bank) for many years. But that isn't the vibe being put out by a lot of ECU fans and your comment. I'm hearing more along the lines that App hasn't paid sufficient dues in order to host someone like ECU. No question ECU is far ahead of App in stadium size, attendance and fund raising. But the two programs are a lot closer on the field than most ECU fans will admit. It's quite clear a large portion of ECU folks thinks little brother App needs to show more respect to big brother ECU. I wonder if App had a 35K SEAT stadium would your comment have been different? If not you are being more than just a tad hypocritical considering it would be equal to or larger than 5 stadiums ECU has played in over the past several years.

I didn't mean my vibe to come off that App isn't a good program or hasn't "paid its dues" or whatever. Yes there are ECU fans, a lot of them, that feel the way you are describing. I'm not in that group. I think it's insanely hypocritical to take that stance with you guys and then complain about State and UNC doing it towards us. Now yes I believe this does benefit App more than ECU, but I believe it does benefit ECU short and long term for a whole host of reasons. As for why I wouldn't have wanted ECU to play at App immediately upon moving up I can only speak for me but yes it's about the stadium and that currently I see no way you'd be able to give us the same allotment we'd give you. ECU faced that same problem for years, but once we got to 43k we started getting a much higher caliber of OOC opponent at home. If you guys were at 35k right now you wouldn't hear me complain in the least about coming up there because you'd be able to accommodate us the same as we can you. Yes there are stadiums in our league like Tulane, Tulsa, and SMU that are roughly that size or smaller, but we aren't bringing more than a few hundred to those. For ECU-App we'll allot and expect you to sell 4-5k in Greenville and we'll do the same in Boone and currently I don't think you can offer that. I would expect by 2025 this won't be a problem and after this series I'd expect we end up playing fairly regularly on even terms.

Fair enough, my apologies. I thnk we guaranteed Miami 2500 tickets. Don't know how many WF requested. I agree ECU will need 3 times that many.

(01-19-2017 06:11 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:52 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 05:52 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 04:56 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 12:56 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  G5 AAC ECU has a problem playing in Boone within our first few years in FBS, but P5 ACC Miami and Wake don't? ?

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Do you think either of those 2 want or care about the allotment of tickets you were able to offer them? You are taking this as a shot at your program and it's not. This is just about logistics there's probably no way that at your current capacity you'd be able to offer the visitor allotment we would want/need to play that game. By 2025 I doubt that's a problem. If I'm wrong though tell me do you think it would be possible with your current stadium configuration to reserve 4 to 5k seats as our allotment?

Don't get me wrong here. It is expressly because we can't accommodate a fan base like ECU's that I have been very aggressive calling for expansion (and elimination of the track & bank) for many years. But that isn't the vibe being put out by a lot of ECU fans and your comment. I'm hearing more along the lines that App hasn't paid sufficient dues in order to host someone like ECU. No question ECU is far ahead of App in stadium size, attendance and fund raising. But the two programs are a lot closer on the field than most ECU fans will admit. It's quite clear a large portion of ECU folks thinks little brother App needs to show more respect to big brother ECU. I wonder if App had a 35K SEAT stadium would your comment have been different? If not you are being more than just a tad hypocritical considering it would be equal to or larger than 5 stadiums ECU has played in over the past several years.

I didn't mean my vibe to come off that App isn't a good program or hasn't "paid its dues" or whatever. Yes there are ECU fans, a lot of them, that feel the way you are describing. I'm not in that group. I think it's insanely hypocritical to take that stance with you guys and then complain about State and UNC doing it towards us. Now yes I believe this does benefit App more than ECU, but I believe it does benefit ECU short and long term for a whole host of reasons. As for why I wouldn't have wanted ECU to play at App immediately upon moving up I can only speak for me but yes it's about the stadium and that currently I see no way you'd be able to give us the same allotment we'd give you. ECU faced that same problem for years, but once we got to 43k we started getting a much higher caliber of OOC opponent at home. If you guys were at 35k right now you wouldn't hear me complain in the least about coming up there because you'd be able to accommodate us the same as we can you. Yes there are stadiums in our league like Tulane, Tulsa, and SMU that are roughly that size or smaller, but we aren't bringing more than a few hundred to those. For ECU-App we'll allot and expect you to sell 4-5k in Greenville and we'll do the same in Boone and currently I don't think you can offer that. I would expect by 2025 this won't be a problem and after this series I'd expect we end up playing fairly regularly on even terms.

Fair enough, my apologies. I thnk we guaranteed Miami 2500 tickets. Don't know how many WF requested. I agree ECU will need 3 times that many.

I say you don't give them but 2 times. App fans will more than fill the stadium.

I can hide under the guise of both (though ultimately everyone knows who I really pull for).

(01-19-2017 08:52 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I didn't mean my vibe to come off that App isn't a good program or hasn't "paid its dues" or whatever. Yes there are ECU fans, a lot of them, that feel the way you are describing. I'm not in that group. I think it's insanely hypocritical to take that stance with you guys and then complain about State and UNC doing it towards us. Now yes I believe this does benefit App more than ECU, but I believe it does benefit ECU short and long term for a whole host of reasons. As for why I wouldn't have wanted ECU to play at App immediately upon moving up I can only speak for me but yes it's about the stadium and that currently I see no way you'd be able to give us the same allotment we'd give you. ECU faced that same problem for years, but once we got to 43k we started getting a much higher caliber of OOC opponent at home. If you guys were at 35k right now you wouldn't hear me complain in the least about coming up there because you'd be able to accommodate us the same as we can you. Yes there are stadiums in our league like Tulane, Tulsa, and SMU that are roughly that size or smaller, but we aren't bringing more than a few hundred to those. For ECU-App we'll allot and expect you to sell 4-5k in Greenville and we'll do the same in Boone and currently I don't think you can offer that. I would expect by 2025 this won't be a problem and after this series I'd expect we end up playing fairly regularly on even terms.

I went to the 2009 game at ECU and ended up buying my tickets from Stubhub because App had sold their allotment and was waiting to see if ECU had more. Black & gold were generously sprinkled throughout Dowdy Ficklen that day so other App fans went to Stubhub as well. I have no doubts that future ECU/App games will be a sell-out and that is good for everyone. What I found interesting at the time was that the tickets to App @ ECU game were the most expensive ECU home game ticket on Stubhub that season. I also noticed that the OOC games were more expensive than conf games and that is telling. With App being in the Sun Belt, App is having the same issues that ECU experienced in CUSA and even somewhat now in the AAC, conference teams are geographically spread out making it difficult to cultivate rivalries. Terry Holland addressed this by scheduling as many close-by OOC teams as possible. Your long term scheduling of WVU and VT is golden for your fan base as these are driveable away games. Getting games with UNC/NCSU is even better, but I understand that required a 'legislative assist', regardless kudos for getting it done, I for one am jealous. It would be nice if App could develop something with WF. We are separated by ~80 miles and I have confidence that those games will be sellouts at each venue.

Anyway, 2021 should be a sell-out. If you ever watched the Texas-Oklahoma rivalry game held in Dallas(?) each year, it's great that half the stadium is dressed in Texas orange and half in Oklahoma red. In theory, Dallas is a neutral site. My hope for 2021 is to see BofA stadium filled with half purple & gold and half black & gold resulting in Charlotte wanting the 2 of us back.

Holland was years ahead of his time, he knew that it was more important to form regional rivalries than to chase tv dollars, that's a big reason why he scheduled the game in 2009, it was a trial run to gauge the interest between the fan bases. Holland knew going forward that it would be beneficial for both App and ECU to start playing each other.

When unbiased common sense prevails this is a great series for both programs when weighing all factors: history, fan bases, facilities, on field performance etc...my only problem with it is it can't start sooner.

FBS History - edge ECU
Fan bases (in terms of size, monetary support, how well they travel, etc) - slight edge ECU
Current facilties - edge ECU
Recent on field performance - edge App

3-1 but very close to 2-2. As such App has to defer just a little with the Charlotte game. But even there, keeping the gate is a big win for App.

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(01-20-2017 01:16 AM)moehler Wrote:  Holland was years ahead of his time, he knew that it was more important to form regional rivalries than to chase tv dollars, that's a big reason why he scheduled the game in 2009, it was a trial run to gauge the interest between the fan bases. Holland knew going forward that it would be beneficial for both App and ECU to start playing each other.

It only took TH one game to figure it out. Prior to the 2012 season at a Pirate Club gathering in WS someone asked Holland why they were playing App again and not a bigger name opponent. Holland told the guy CUSA teams visiting Greenville in 2011 (UAB, UCF, Tulane & So Miss) bought a combined total of 650 tickets. In 2009 App State fans bought nearly 10,000. THAT'S why we're playing Appalachian.

(01-20-2017 01:53 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  When unbiased common sense prevails this is a great series for both programs when weighing all factors: history, fan bases, facilities, on field performance etc...my only problem with it is it can't start sooner.

FBS History - edge ECU
Fan bases (in terms of size, monetary support, how well they travel, etc) - slight edge ECU
Current facilties - edge ECU
Overall on field performance - edge App

3-1 but very close to 2-2. As such App has to defer just a little with the Charlotte game. But even there, keeping the gate is a big win for App.

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Fixed it for you.

(01-20-2017 07:40 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  Fixed it for you.

I see what you did there

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(01-20-2017 01:53 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  When unbiased common sense prevails this is a great series for both programs when weighing all factors: history, fan bases, facilities, on field performance etc...my only problem with it is it can't start sooner.

FBS History - edge ECU
Fan bases (in terms of size, monetary support, how well they travel, etc) - slight edge ECU
Current facilties - edge ECU
Recent on field performance - edge App

3-1 but very close to 2-2. As such App has to defer just a little with the Charlotte game. But even there, keeping the gate is a big win for App.

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Very close to being 2-2 as an FCS program. For those games ECU enjoyed a huge advantage in terms of recruiting higher quality players and depth due to 22 more scholarships. By the time this game rolls around I suspect our roster will contain quite a few more players of equal ability to those at ECU.

http://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go&j...-109841299

Curious to what the App State reaction is to UNCC getting a H&H with ECU? Do you feel like they got a better deal?

(11-02-2017 04:26 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  http://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go&j...-109841299

Curious to what the App State reaction is to UNCC getting a H&H with ECU? Do you feel like they got a better deal?

We got a four game deal with one in Boone and a home game at BofA in Charlotte. UNCC got a two game deal. I'd say ours is better.

I'm surprised ECU is agreeing to play at Richardson Stadium since it only holds 15k. I would have thought they would demand to play at BofA.

(11-02-2017 04:38 PM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 04:26 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  http://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go&j...-109841299

Curious to what the App State reaction is to UNCC getting a H&H with ECU? Do you feel like they got a better deal?

We got a four game deal with one in Boone and a home game at BofA in Charlotte. UNCC got a two game deal. I'd say ours is better.

I'm surprised ECU is agreeing to play at Richardson Stadium since it only holds 15k. I would have thought they would demand to play at BofA.

Richardson is expandable and the game there isn't until 2024, so it's not out of question that seating capacity will be higher by then.

Can't seem to find anything out there other than rehashed news releases but I wonder if the @Charlotte end of it is contingent on the stadium being a certain capacity by a deadline?

(11-02-2017 05:01 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 04:38 PM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 04:26 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  http://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go&j...-109841299

Curious to what the App State reaction is to UNCC getting a H&H with ECU? Do you feel like they got a better deal?

We got a four game deal with one in Boone and a home game at BofA in Charlotte. UNCC got a two game deal. I'd say ours is better.

I'm surprised ECU is agreeing to play at Richardson Stadium since it only holds 15k. I would have thought they would demand to play at BofA.

Richardson is expandable and the game there isn't until 2024, so it's not out of question that seating capacity will be higher by then.

Can't seem to find anything out there other than rehashed news releases but I wonder if the @Charlotte end of it is contingent on the stadium being a certain capacity by a deadline?

With the current state of UNCCs football you really think they will expand?

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(11-02-2017 05:52 PM)Check Yosef Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 05:01 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 04:38 PM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 04:26 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  http://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go&j...-109841299

Curious to what the App State reaction is to UNCC getting a H&H with ECU? Do you feel like they got a better deal?

We got a four game deal with one in Boone and a home game at BofA in Charlotte. UNCC got a two game deal. I'd say ours is better.

I'm surprised ECU is agreeing to play at Richardson Stadium since it only holds 15k. I would have thought they would demand to play at BofA.

Richardson is expandable and the game there isn't until 2024, so it's not out of question that seating capacity will be higher by then.

Can't seem to find anything out there other than rehashed news releases but I wonder if the @Charlotte end of it is contingent on the stadium being a certain capacity by a deadline?

With the current state of UNCCs football you really think they will expand?

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Based on this season, no, but nobody makes major capital project decisions based on one season. I was under the presumption that a) 15,000 wasn't a long-term solution once they reached FBS, and b) the regular presence of bigger games could be a trigger to moving to the next phase — and certainly games against UNC, ECU and App would get way more than 15K.

(11-02-2017 06:59 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 05:52 PM)Check Yosef Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 05:01 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 04:38 PM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 04:26 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  http://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go&j...-109841299

Curious to what the App State reaction is to UNCC getting a H&H with ECU? Do you feel like they got a better deal?

We got a four game deal with one in Boone and a home game at BofA in Charlotte. UNCC got a two game deal. I'd say ours is better.

I'm surprised ECU is agreeing to play at Richardson Stadium since it only holds 15k. I would have thought they would demand to play at BofA.

Richardson is expandable and the game there isn't until 2024, so it's not out of question that seating capacity will be higher by then.

Can't seem to find anything out there other than rehashed news releases but I wonder if the @Charlotte end of it is contingent on the stadium being a certain capacity by a deadline?

With the current state of UNCCs football you really think they will expand?

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Based on this season, no, but nobody makes major capital project decisions based on one season. I was under the presumption that a) 15,000 wasn't a long-term solution once they reached FBS, and b) the regular presence of bigger games could be a trigger to moving to the next phase — and certainly games against UNC, ECU and App would get way more than 15K.

Aye I just think they may see it as very risky based off the first years of the program, I would want to see atleast a couple decent seasons happen before I would be willing to invest but I'm also very risk averse

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They definitely got a better deal. We always get the scraps to the juggernaut 0-9ers.

ECU probably still thinks this is a gimme game. Buckle up, pirates, this one's gonna be rough.

(11-02-2017 05:52 PM)Check Yosef Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 05:01 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 04:38 PM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 04:26 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  http://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go&j...-109841299

Curious to what the App State reaction is to UNCC getting a H&H with ECU? Do you feel like they got a better deal?

We got a four game deal with one in Boone and a home game at BofA in Charlotte. UNCC got a two game deal. I'd say ours is better.

I'm surprised ECU is agreeing to play at Richardson Stadium since it only holds 15k. I would have thought they would demand to play at BofA.

Richardson is expandable and the game there isn't until 2024, so it's not out of question that seating capacity will be higher by then.

Can't seem to find anything out there other than rehashed news releases but I wonder if the @Charlotte end of it is contingent on the stadium being a certain capacity by a deadline?

With the current state of UNCCs football you really think they will expand?

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Charlotte has a football team?