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RE: ECU/APP St. agree to football series
(01-12-2017 06:52 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
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(01-11-2017 02:57 PM)Duncan20 Wrote:  I think it will be 1 in Boone, 2 in Greenville and 1 in Charlotte with App getting the ticket $. Plus App will still have 6 games in Boone the year the game in Charlotte is played.

Thats Bull &*&^

Now why is that?

To me it seems that App has a great negotiator in scheduling as they landed the game in Charlotte which serves as a home game and will likely have 30,000+ App fans in attendance; and two ACC schools have agreed to play in Boone before App makes a return trip.

East Carolina is a G5 and should be treated as such.... should be 1 in Boone 1 in Greenville and 1 in Charlotte

Or

2 in Boone 2 in Greenville

Then the series probably wouldn't have happened until App expanded their stadium, and you'll probably say "oh well" but App fans know this is a win-win all the way around.

Our capacity may be about 2500 higher by the time the game in Boone occurs. If the next phase of expansion is complete by then, our stadium will hold 36k to 37k with the hill. That's higher than 3 AAC teams and higher than 2 in state ACC teams. This was about ECU's pride. A lot of ECU fans don't like this deal, and even more would be unhappy if it was 1-1 or 2-2. The fact of the matter is App is now a peer program to ECU, and currently a better program than ECU. A lot of there fans don't want to accept this. I'm happy with the deal. Should a fun series that will hopefully re establish an old rivalry.
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I think a lot of the problem some ECU fans have, isn't with App, most will concede that we're a good FBS program, and its a good thing to form an instate rivalry with us, but rather, their being forced to face the reality that all their efforts, all the money spent on stadium reinvations, fan support etc. just to show the P5 schools their ready to move up, has failed, and their just a G5 school like App. I actually feel for them, they have done everything possible to show they have more in common with the ACC than the SBC, but their location is just brutal, and unless somehow a new P5 conference is formed, which isn't going to happen, then they better get use to playing away games against the likes of App, Charlotte, or ODU.
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(01-12-2017 09:01 AM)moehler Wrote:  I think a lot of the problem some ECU fans have, isn't with App, most will concede that we're a good FBS program, and its a good thing to form an instate rivalry with us, but rather, their being forced to face the reality that all their efforts, all the money spent on stadium reinvations, fan support etc. just to show the P5 schools their ready to move up, has failed, and their just a G5 school like App. I actually feel for them, they have done everything possible to show they have more in common with the ACC than the SBC, but their location is just brutal, and unless somehow a new P5 conference is formed, which isn't going to happen, then they better get use to playing away games against the likes of App, Charlotte, or ODU.

I agree with your statement. I would hate to be in their shoes, and would likely be bitter too. Being in the AAC should have been a wake up call for ECU. There are 2 to 3 programs in the AAC that would get the call up ahead of them if the opportunity arose. Add BYU to the mix, and it's even more. The expansion pace is slow right now, so it might as well be 10 programs ahead of them. They have hit their ceiling. The AAC is a good conference and a good fit for ECU. OOC series against an in state team that brought an estimated 15k as an FCS team is no brainer. We are going after a lot of the same recruits now, and I'm thrilled we have the opportunity to prove our worth to them with this series. Emagine what this will do for our in state recruiting if we win the series. Big opportunity for App!
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(01-12-2017 09:01 AM)moehler Wrote:  I think a lot of the problem some ECU fans have, isn't with App, most will concede that we're a good FBS program, and its a good thing to form an instate rivalry with us, but rather, their being forced to face the reality that all their efforts, all the money spent on stadium reinvations, fan support etc. just to show the P5 schools their ready to move up, has failed, and their just a G5 school like App. I actually feel for them, they have done everything possible to show they have more in common with the ACC than the SBC, but their location is just brutal, and unless somehow a new P5 conference is formed, which isn't going to happen, then they better get use to playing away games against the likes of App, Charlotte, or ODU.

You nailed it. Quite honestly I think ECU deserves better than how they are treated by the P5's. Especially in state. They are P5 in everything except their name and location. Its gotta be frustrating for them.
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(01-12-2017 09:25 AM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  
(01-12-2017 09:01 AM)moehler Wrote:  I think a lot of the problem some ECU fans have, isn't with App, most will concede that we're a good FBS program, and its a good thing to form an instate rivalry with us, but rather, their being forced to face the reality that all their efforts, all the money spent on stadium reinvations, fan support etc. just to show the P5 schools their ready to move up, has failed, and their just a G5 school like App. I actually feel for them, they have done everything possible to show they have more in common with the ACC than the SBC, but their location is just brutal, and unless somehow a new P5 conference is formed, which isn't going to happen, then they better get use to playing away games against the likes of App, Charlotte, or ODU.

I agree with your statement. I would hate to be in their shoes, and would likely be bitter too. Being in the AAC should have been a wake up call for ECU. There are 2 to 3 programs in the AAC that would get the call up ahead of them if the opportunity arose. Add BYU to the mix, and it's even more. The expansion pace is slow right now, so it might as well be 10 programs ahead of them. They have hit their ceiling. The AAC is a good conference and a good fit for ECU. OOC series against an in state team that brought an estimated 15k as an FCS team is no brainer. We are going after a lot of the same recruits now, and I'm thrilled we have the opportunity to prove our worth to them with this series. Emagine what this will do for our in state recruiting if we win the series. Big opportunity for App!

You'd hate to be in our shoes? 03-lmfao

Ok, we're both G5, yes. But that's where the comparison ends.

However... the AAC's TV deal nets each team about $2M per year. The SunBelt last I saw was around $100K per team. While both are peanuts compared to P5 contracts, one is a drastically larger amount of peanuts.

The AAC has sent 2 teams to the Access Bowl, out of 3 years... winning both.

You JUST started getting some bigger name schools to come to your stadium... we have had that going for decades. (Kudos on the Miami game... would love to have them in Greenville.)

Kidd-Brewer: 24,050
Dowdy-Ficklen: 50,000

Our recruiting classes are better.

Yes, you have been successful in the Sun Belt... but we were successful in C-USA... both are **** leagues. If App played an AAC schedule, it would have struggled to become bowl eligible. You can't take a week off in the AAC. There are no Texas States or NMSUs in the American. Yes, we struggled in our bowl games for whatever reason, but there is no denying that top to bottom, the American is a much better league than the Sun Belt.

So... keep on thinking that you'd hate to be in our shoes. Maybe if you say it enough times, it will make it true. 03-lmfao

Good day.
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(01-12-2017 10:23 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  
(01-12-2017 09:25 AM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  
(01-12-2017 09:01 AM)moehler Wrote:  I think a lot of the problem some ECU fans have, isn't with App, most will concede that we're a good FBS program, and its a good thing to form an instate rivalry with us, but rather, their being forced to face the reality that all their efforts, all the money spent on stadium reinvations, fan support etc. just to show the P5 schools their ready to move up, has failed, and their just a G5 school like App. I actually feel for them, they have done everything possible to show they have more in common with the ACC than the SBC, but their location is just brutal, and unless somehow a new P5 conference is formed, which isn't going to happen, then they better get use to playing away games against the likes of App, Charlotte, or ODU.

I agree with your statement. I would hate to be in their shoes, and would likely be bitter too. Being in the AAC should have been a wake up call for ECU. There are 2 to 3 programs in the AAC that would get the call up ahead of them if the opportunity arose. Add BYU to the mix, and it's even more. The expansion pace is slow right now, so it might as well be 10 programs ahead of them. They have hit their ceiling. The AAC is a good conference and a good fit for ECU. OOC series against an in state team that brought an estimated 15k as an FCS team is no brainer. We are going after a lot of the same recruits now, and I'm thrilled we have the opportunity to prove our worth to them with this series. Emagine what this will do for our in state recruiting if we win the series. Big opportunity for App!

You'd hate to be in our shoes? 03-lmfao

Ok, we're both G5, yes. But that's where the comparison ends.

However... the AAC's TV deal nets each team about $2M per year. The SunBelt last I saw was around $100K per team. While both are peanuts compared to P5 contracts, one is a drastically larger amount of peanuts.

The AAC has sent 2 teams to the Access Bowl, out of 3 years... winning both.

You JUST started getting some bigger name schools to come to your stadium... we have had that going for decades. (Kudos on the Miami game... would love to have them in Greenville.)

Kidd-Brewer: 24,050
Dowdy-Ficklen: 50,000

Our recruiting classes are better.

Yes, you have been successful in the Sun Belt... but we were successful in C-USA... both are **** leagues. If App played an AAC schedule, it would have struggled to become bowl eligible. You can't take a week off in the AAC. There are no Texas States or NMSUs in the American. Yes, we struggled in our bowl games for whatever reason, but there is no denying that top to bottom, the American is a much better league than the Sun Belt.

So... keep on thinking that you'd hate to be in our shoes. Maybe if you say it enough times, it will make it true. 03-lmfao

Good day.

You remember that part where he said he "would probably be bitter too"? Yeah, you painted that picture perfectly for him. It's amazing that you can read all of that and miss the entire point. "Okay, we're both G5, yes. But that's where the comparison ends." Yeah, but anything after that is just arguing semantics. You've put more time, effort, and money into your football program than we have by a pretty substantial margin, but you're still sitting with us at the kids table when Thanksgiving rolls around. The point being made is that our return on investment is far better than yours, but congratulations on being the tallest midget. Good day.
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ECU fans measure your whatever, but to everyone outside of the AAC App and ECU are the same, sorry guys.
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what should really scare the ECU faithful, is, at this moment our football program is stronger than theirs, our recruiting is very competitive, and we haven't even begun to renovate our stadium, when that gets done, hopefully in the next 2 or 3 years, that's going to close the gap even more. Again, feel bad for them, they have done everything possible to support their program, but because of no fault of their own, they aren't seeing the positive, bottom line results. Again, they are a G5 school, no amount of denial is going to change that.
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(01-12-2017 10:23 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  
(01-12-2017 09:25 AM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  
(01-12-2017 09:01 AM)moehler Wrote:  I think a lot of the problem some ECU fans have, isn't with App, most will concede that we're a good FBS program, and its a good thing to form an instate rivalry with us, but rather, their being forced to face the reality that all their efforts, all the money spent on stadium reinvations, fan support etc. just to show the P5 schools their ready to move up, has failed, and their just a G5 school like App. I actually feel for them, they have done everything possible to show they have more in common with the ACC than the SBC, but their location is just brutal, and unless somehow a new P5 conference is formed, which isn't going to happen, then they better get use to playing away games against the likes of App, Charlotte, or ODU.

I agree with your statement. I would hate to be in their shoes, and would likely be bitter too. Being in the AAC should have been a wake up call for ECU. There are 2 to 3 programs in the AAC that would get the call up ahead of them if the opportunity arose. Add BYU to the mix, and it's even more. The expansion pace is slow right now, so it might as well be 10 programs ahead of them. They have hit their ceiling. The AAC is a good conference and a good fit for ECU. OOC series against an in state team that brought an estimated 15k as an FCS team is no brainer. We are going after a lot of the same recruits now, and I'm thrilled we have the opportunity to prove our worth to them with this series. Emagine what this will do for our in state recruiting if we win the series. Big opportunity for App!

You'd hate to be in our shoes? 03-lmfao

Ok, we're both G5, yes. But that's where the comparison ends.

However... the AAC's TV deal nets each team about $2M per year. The SunBelt last I saw was around $100K per team. While both are peanuts compared to P5 contracts, one is a drastically larger amount of peanuts.

The AAC has sent 2 teams to the Access Bowl, out of 3 years... winning both.

You JUST started getting some bigger name schools to come to your stadium... we have had that going for decades. (Kudos on the Miami game... would love to have them in Greenville.)

Kidd-Brewer: 24,050
Dowdy-Ficklen: 50,000

Our recruiting classes are better.

Yes, you have been successful in the Sun Belt... but we were successful in C-USA... both are **** leagues. If App played an AAC schedule, it would have struggled to become bowl eligible. You can't take a week off in the AAC. There are no Texas States or NMSUs in the American. Yes, we struggled in our bowl games for whatever reason, but there is no denying that top to bottom, the American is a much better league than the Sun Belt.

So... keep on thinking that you'd hate to be in our shoes. Maybe if you say it enough times, it will make it true. 03-lmfao

Good day.

Haha, you completely missed the point. I was referring to your current state compared to your future potential. I'd hate to have done everything right, have all the chips in place, facilities, fan support, attendance, and still not get to the promise land. I was not referring to App's current state v ECU's current state. I even complimented your conference. Did you read past the word shoes? Slow down and think. So yes, I would hate to be in your shoes. Would I be bitter, yes. But not as bitter as you.
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(01-12-2017 10:46 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  ECU fans measure your whatever, but to everyone outside of the AAC App and ECU are the same, sorry guys.

In some ways yes. If we are just talking about product on the field ECU and App aren't the same I'd favor you guys by 2-3 TD's neutral field if we played tomorrow. In terms of perception outside the state/region I'd also agree neither of us register in any real way. However, there's a reason your administration desperately wants this series and was thrilled to accept it on uneven terms. In terms of fan base and stadium you guys are 30 years behind ECU. There's a reason you'll charge probably your highest ticket prices ever for the game in Boone and it will break whatever current attendance record you have. There's a reason you'll probably have your stadium expanded in time to play us at home or have temp seating brought in just for that game. The reason is we aren't the same. In the same way ECU needed series with NC State and UNC you guys need games with us. You need series like that to justify stadium expansions, to grow the fan base, all the same reasons ECU needed series with State and UNC and still do. Now yes State and UNC benefit from playing ECU, but if we never played again they wouldn't lose sleep over it. ECU is gonna benefit from playing App, long term I think they'll benefit a lot from it, but currently it's going to benefit you guys a lot more. You won't admit it, because I wouldn't go to a State board and admit that we desperately need to play games with them but it's true. Even home games against vastly superior programs like VT and WVU don't drive season ticket sales and don't mean as much as a home game against State. So yes in terms of the on the field ECU fans do need to face reality that we aren't and probably never will be again a vastly superior program over long stretches, it will ebb and flow, but off the field the gap is quite big.
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(01-12-2017 11:56 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(01-12-2017 10:46 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  ECU fans measure your whatever, but to everyone outside of the AAC App and ECU are the same, sorry guys.

In some ways yes. If we are just talking about product on the field ECU and App aren't the same I'd favor you guys by 2-3 TD's neutral field if we played tomorrow. In terms of perception outside the state/region I'd also agree neither of us register in any real way. However, there's a reason your administration desperately wants this series and was thrilled to accept it on uneven terms. In terms of fan base and stadium you guys are 30 years behind ECU. There's a reason you'll charge probably your highest ticket prices ever for the game in Boone and it will break whatever current attendance record you have. There's a reason you'll probably have your stadium expanded in time to play us at home or have temp seating brought in just for that game. The reason is we aren't the same. In the same way ECU needed series with NC State and UNC you guys need games with us. You need series like that to justify stadium expansions, to grow the fan base, all the same reasons ECU needed series with State and UNC and still do. Now yes State and UNC benefit from playing ECU, but if we never played again they wouldn't lose sleep over it. ECU is gonna benefit from playing App, long term I think they'll benefit a lot from it, but currently it's going to benefit you guys a lot more. You won't admit it, because I wouldn't go to a State board and admit that we desperately need to play games with them but it's true. Even home games against vastly superior programs like VT and WVU don't drive season ticket sales and don't mean as much as a home game against State. So yes in terms of the on the field ECU fans do need to face reality that we aren't and probably never will be again a vastly superior program over long stretches, it will ebb and flow, but off the field the gap is quite big.

Well said. I think most App fans would agree with your statement. Y'all are miles ahead of us, but we are currently nipping at your heels on the recruiting trail. I know y'all are down, but I'm just amazed at how we have been able to hit the ground running.
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I think the question that needs to be asked is will the ECU faithful continue to support the program now that they are coming to the realization they probably are never going to get that P5 invitation. Think about it, all the building, all the donations, and the support was based on the one singular goal, and hope, that eventually they would be extended an invitation to a P5 conference. The ECU faithful would not allow themselves to believe there wasn't a chance, however small that eventually they would get the call. Now, even to the most hardcore ECU fan, it has to be apparent, that this goal is probably dead. So the big question is, based on this realization, do we start to see a gradual drop in attendance, donations, general support of the program, while the App, ODU, GS etc, continue to build their programs and narrow the gap.
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(01-12-2017 10:23 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  
(01-12-2017 09:25 AM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  
(01-12-2017 09:01 AM)moehler Wrote:  I think a lot of the problem some ECU fans have, isn't with App, most will concede that we're a good FBS program, and its a good thing to form an instate rivalry with us, but rather, their being forced to face the reality that all their efforts, all the money spent on stadium reinvations, fan support etc. just to show the P5 schools their ready to move up, has failed, and their just a G5 school like App. I actually feel for them, they have done everything possible to show they have more in common with the ACC than the SBC, but their location is just brutal, and unless somehow a new P5 conference is formed, which isn't going to happen, then they better get use to playing away games against the likes of App, Charlotte, or ODU.

I agree with your statement. I would hate to be in their shoes, and would likely be bitter too. Being in the AAC should have been a wake up call for ECU. There are 2 to 3 programs in the AAC that would get the call up ahead of them if the opportunity arose. Add BYU to the mix, and it's even more. The expansion pace is slow right now, so it might as well be 10 programs ahead of them. They have hit their ceiling. The AAC is a good conference and a good fit for ECU. OOC series against an in state team that brought an estimated 15k as an FCS team is no brainer. We are going after a lot of the same recruits now, and I'm thrilled we have the opportunity to prove our worth to them with this series. Emagine what this will do for our in state recruiting if we win the series. Big opportunity for App!

You'd hate to be in our shoes? 03-lmfao

Ok, we're both G5, yes. But that's where the comparison ends.

However... the AAC's TV deal nets each team about $2M per year. The SunBelt last I saw was around $100K per team. While both are peanuts compared to P5 contracts, one is a drastically larger amount of peanuts.

The AAC has sent 2 teams to the Access Bowl, out of 3 years... winning both.

You JUST started getting some bigger name schools to come to your stadium... we have had that going for decades. (Kudos on the Miami game... would love to have them in Greenville.)

Kidd-Brewer: 24,050
Dowdy-Ficklen: 50,000

Our recruiting classes are better.

Yes, you have been successful in the Sun Belt... but we were successful in C-USA... both are **** leagues. If App played an AAC schedule, it would have struggled to become bowl eligible. You can't take a week off in the AAC. There are no Texas States or NMSUs in the American. Yes, we struggled in our bowl games for whatever reason, but there is no denying that top to bottom, the American is a much better league than the Sun Belt.

So... keep on thinking that you'd hate to be in our shoes. Maybe if you say it enough times, it will make it true. 03-lmfao

Good day.

There may not be any Tx Sts but there are ECUs and UCONNS...yuck.
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(01-12-2017 11:56 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(01-12-2017 10:46 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  ECU fans measure your whatever, but to everyone outside of the AAC App and ECU are the same, sorry guys.

In some ways yes. If we are just talking about product on the field ECU and App aren't the same I'd favor you guys by 2-3 TD's neutral field if we played tomorrow. In terms of perception outside the state/region I'd also agree neither of us register in any real way. However, there's a reason your administration desperately wants this series and was thrilled to accept it on uneven terms. In terms of fan base and stadium you guys are 30 years behind ECU. There's a reason you'll charge probably your highest ticket prices ever for the game in Boone and it will break whatever current attendance record you have. There's a reason you'll probably have your stadium expanded in time to play us at home or have temp seating brought in just for that game. The reason is we aren't the same. In the same way ECU needed series with NC State and UNC you guys need games with us. You need series like that to justify stadium expansions, to grow the fan base, all the same reasons ECU needed series with State and UNC and still do. Now yes State and UNC benefit from playing ECU, but if we never played again they wouldn't lose sleep over it. ECU is gonna benefit from playing App, long term I think they'll benefit a lot from it, but currently it's going to benefit you guys a lot more. You won't admit it, because I wouldn't go to a State board and admit that we desperately need to play games with them but it's true. Even home games against vastly superior programs like VT and WVU don't drive season ticket sales and don't mean as much as a home game against State. So yes in terms of the on the field ECU fans do need to face reality that we aren't and probably never will be again a vastly superior program over long stretches, it will ebb and flow, but off the field the gap is quite big.

Both programs need games like this. All programs at the G5 level need games that create revenue through ticket sales.

Look in your side view mirror ECU, read the print.
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(01-12-2017 01:02 PM)moehler Wrote:  I think the question that needs to be asked is will the ECU faithful continue to support the program now that they are coming to the realization they probably are never going to get that P5 invitation. Think about it, all the building, all the donations, and the support was based on the one singular goal, and hope, that eventually they would be extended an invitation to a P5 conference. The ECU faithful would not allow themselves to believe there wasn't a chance, however small that eventually they would get the call. Now, even to the most hardcore ECU fan, it has to be apparent, that this goal is probably dead. So the big question is, based on this realization, do we start to see a gradual drop in attendance, donations, general support of the program, while the App, ODU, GS etc, continue to build their programs and narrow the gap.

No doubt they'll continue to show up. There is too much pride, and that's a good thing.
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(01-12-2017 01:47 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  
(01-12-2017 11:56 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(01-12-2017 10:46 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  ECU fans measure your whatever, but to everyone outside of the AAC App and ECU are the same, sorry guys.

In some ways yes. If we are just talking about product on the field ECU and App aren't the same I'd favor you guys by 2-3 TD's neutral field if we played tomorrow. In terms of perception outside the state/region I'd also agree neither of us register in any real way. However, there's a reason your administration desperately wants this series and was thrilled to accept it on uneven terms. In terms of fan base and stadium you guys are 30 years behind ECU. There's a reason you'll charge probably your highest ticket prices ever for the game in Boone and it will break whatever current attendance record you have. There's a reason you'll probably have your stadium expanded in time to play us at home or have temp seating brought in just for that game. The reason is we aren't the same. In the same way ECU needed series with NC State and UNC you guys need games with us. You need series like that to justify stadium expansions, to grow the fan base, all the same reasons ECU needed series with State and UNC and still do. Now yes State and UNC benefit from playing ECU, but if we never played again they wouldn't lose sleep over it. ECU is gonna benefit from playing App, long term I think they'll benefit a lot from it, but currently it's going to benefit you guys a lot more. You won't admit it, because I wouldn't go to a State board and admit that we desperately need to play games with them but it's true. Even home games against vastly superior programs like VT and WVU don't drive season ticket sales and don't mean as much as a home game against State. So yes in terms of the on the field ECU fans do need to face reality that we aren't and probably never will be again a vastly superior program over long stretches, it will ebb and flow, but off the field the gap is quite big.

Both programs need games like this. All programs at the G5 level need games that create revenue through ticket sales.

Look in your side view mirror ECU, read the print.

Nah I'm good. I didn't say a single thing that isn't true. You didn't hear me saying we are "too good" to play App or that ECU will dominate the series. All I stated is that certainly in the short term App will gain more from the series and that stadium and fan base wise you are about where ECU was in the late 1980s. Long term i think it's good for ECU because IMO ECU doesn't need to keep beating itself up with 3-4 P5s a year. The balance needs to be 2 P5s, 1 G5, and 1 FCS. Ideally I would like the G5 to rotate between App, ODU, and maybe Charlotte because while they might not sell out they'd still be better gates than any non-P5 OOC we would play. However, when we go up the mountain it will be a sell out every time and you'll charge your highest ticket prices of the year every time, and probably see spikes in season ticket sales every year we are on your home schedule. Not an insult because the same happens here everytime State and UNC are on our home schedule.
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RE: ECU/APP St. agree to football series
(01-12-2017 11:56 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(01-12-2017 10:46 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  ECU fans measure your whatever, but to everyone outside of the AAC App and ECU are the same, sorry guys.

In some ways yes. If we are just talking about product on the field ECU and App aren't the same I'd favor you guys by 2-3 TD's neutral field if we played tomorrow. In terms of perception outside the state/region I'd also agree neither of us register in any real way. However, there's a reason your administration desperately wants this series and was thrilled to accept it on uneven terms. In terms of fan base and stadium you guys are 30 years behind ECU. There's a reason you'll charge probably your highest ticket prices ever for the game in Boone and it will break whatever current attendance record you have. There's a reason you'll probably have your stadium expanded in time to play us at home or have temp seating brought in just for that game. The reason is we aren't the same. In the same way ECU needed series with NC State and UNC you guys need games with us. You need series like that to justify stadium expansions, to grow the fan base, all the same reasons ECU needed series with State and UNC and still do. Now yes State and UNC benefit from playing ECU, but if we never played again they wouldn't lose sleep over it. ECU is gonna benefit from playing App, long term I think they'll benefit a lot from it, but currently it's going to benefit you guys a lot more. You won't admit it, because I wouldn't go to a State board and admit that we desperately need to play games with them but it's true. Even home games against vastly superior programs like VT and WVU don't drive season ticket sales and don't mean as much as a home game against State. So yes in terms of the on the field ECU fans do need to face reality that we aren't and probably never will be again a vastly superior program over long stretches, it will ebb and flow, but off the field the gap is quite big.

I'll mostly agree with what you have said, because ECU is ahead of us in fan base, donations, stadium size and such. I will disagree that we desperately need this series. We do need need this and other series like the one we have with Marshall to help grow our program, but we wouldn't be dead in the water without it.

I also think ECU needs this series just like everyone in college football needs to get back to focusing on local rivalry games. When the TV payout took off everyone focused on markets and who would turn on the most TV's, but that is proving to cause a lot of issues now. Even Texas and Texas A&M are talking about the negative impact of losing that series.
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RE: ECU/APP St. agree to football series
(01-12-2017 10:46 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  ECU fans measure your whatever, but to everyone outside of the AAC App and ECU are the same, sorry guys.

Yea Idk about that man. Obviously I respect the heck out of App and I'll admit that due to the Michigan win I probably heard about y'all before I had even heard of ECU, but I remember that one season when they beat two ranked teams back to back ( I can't remember who) and were ranked. Their highlights played all over Sportscenter for a good while and I remember being so impressed with their packed stadium. It still amazes me how well they can draw fans and fill that stadium and beat the hell out of some P5s too.

But even with all that App would probably win if they played this season lol.
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RE: ECU/APP St. agree to football series
(01-12-2017 10:23 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  
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(01-12-2017 09:01 AM)moehler Wrote:  I think a lot of the problem some ECU fans have, isn't with App, most will concede that we're a good FBS program, and its a good thing to form an instate rivalry with us, but rather, their being forced to face the reality that all their efforts, all the money spent on stadium reinvations, fan support etc. just to show the P5 schools their ready to move up, has failed, and their just a G5 school like App. I actually feel for them, they have done everything possible to show they have more in common with the ACC than the SBC, but their location is just brutal, and unless somehow a new P5 conference is formed, which isn't going to happen, then they better get use to playing away games against the likes of App, Charlotte, or ODU.

I agree with your statement. I would hate to be in their shoes, and would likely be bitter too. Being in the AAC should have been a wake up call for ECU. There are 2 to 3 programs in the AAC that would get the call up ahead of them if the opportunity arose. Add BYU to the mix, and it's even more. The expansion pace is slow right now, so it might as well be 10 programs ahead of them. They have hit their ceiling. The AAC is a good conference and a good fit for ECU. OOC series against an in state team that brought an estimated 15k as an FCS team is no brainer. We are going after a lot of the same recruits now, and I'm thrilled we have the opportunity to prove our worth to them with this series. Emagine what this will do for our in state recruiting if we win the series. Big opportunity for App!

You'd hate to be in our shoes? 03-lmfao

Ok, we're both G5, yes. But that's where the comparison ends.

However... the AAC's TV deal nets each team about $2M per year. The SunBelt last I saw was around $100K per team. While both are peanuts compared to P5 contracts, one is a drastically larger amount of peanuts.

The AAC has sent 2 teams to the Access Bowl, out of 3 years... winning both.

You JUST started getting some bigger name schools to come to your stadium... we have had that going for decades. (Kudos on the Miami game... would love to have them in Greenville.)

Kidd-Brewer: 24,050
Dowdy-Ficklen: 50,000

Our recruiting classes are better.

Yes, you have been successful in the Sun Belt... but we were successful in C-USA... both are **** leagues. If App played an AAC schedule, it would have struggled to become bowl eligible. You can't take a week off in the AAC. There are no Texas States or NMSUs in the American. Yes, we struggled in our bowl games for whatever reason, but there is no denying that top to bottom, the American is a much better league than the Sun Belt.

So... keep on thinking that you'd hate to be in our shoes. Maybe if you say it enough times, it will make it true. 03-lmfao

Good day.

Despite your condescending tone, I agree with a lot of what you said. I would love for App to be in the AAC. You are well ahead of us in the stadium department. However, I think the difference between our recruiting is negligible and we actually rely a lot less on JUCOs than you guys, which I think is key in establishing long-term success. With our current on-field product, I don't think App would win the AAC but I certainly think we'd be competitive enough to be bowl eligible.
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RE: ECU/APP St. agree to football series
(01-12-2017 10:23 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  
(01-12-2017 09:25 AM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  
(01-12-2017 09:01 AM)moehler Wrote:  I think a lot of the problem some ECU fans have, isn't with App, most will concede that we're a good FBS program, and its a good thing to form an instate rivalry with us, but rather, their being forced to face the reality that all their efforts, all the money spent on stadium reinvations, fan support etc. just to show the P5 schools their ready to move up, has failed, and their just a G5 school like App. I actually feel for them, they have done everything possible to show they have more in common with the ACC than the SBC, but their location is just brutal, and unless somehow a new P5 conference is formed, which isn't going to happen, then they better get use to playing away games against the likes of App, Charlotte, or ODU.

I agree with your statement. I would hate to be in their shoes, and would likely be bitter too. Being in the AAC should have been a wake up call for ECU. There are 2 to 3 programs in the AAC that would get the call up ahead of them if the opportunity arose. Add BYU to the mix, and it's even more. The expansion pace is slow right now, so it might as well be 10 programs ahead of them. They have hit their ceiling. The AAC is a good conference and a good fit for ECU. OOC series against an in state team that brought an estimated 15k as an FCS team is no brainer. We are going after a lot of the same recruits now, and I'm thrilled we have the opportunity to prove our worth to them with this series. Emagine what this will do for our in state recruiting if we win the series. Big opportunity for App!

You'd hate to be in our shoes? 03-lmfao

Ok, we're both G5, yes. But that's where the comparison ends.

However... the AAC's TV deal nets each team about $2M per year. The SunBelt last I saw was around $100K per team. While both are peanuts compared to P5 contracts, one is a drastically larger amount of peanuts.

The AAC has sent 2 teams to the Access Bowl, out of 3 years... winning both.

You JUST started getting some bigger name schools to come to your stadium... we have had that going for decades. (Kudos on the Miami game... would love to have them in Greenville.)

Kidd-Brewer: 24,050
Dowdy-Ficklen: 50,000

Our recruiting classes are better.

Yes, you have been successful in the Sun Belt... but we were successful in C-USA... both are **** leagues. If App played an AAC schedule, it would have struggled to become bowl eligible. You can't take a week off in the AAC. There are no Texas States or NMSUs in the American. Yes, we struggled in our bowl games for whatever reason, but there is no denying that top to bottom, the American is a much better league than the Sun Belt.

So... keep on thinking that you'd hate to be in our shoes. Maybe if you say it enough times, it will make it true. 03-lmfao

Good day.

You clearly don't get it? The man is paying you a compliment and somehow you come back with that load of crap. I shouldn't be surprised...
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