(01-12-2017 01:02 PM)moehler Wrote:  I think the question that needs to be asked is will the ECU faithful continue to support the program now that they are coming to the realization they probably are never going to get that P5 invitation. Think about it, all the building, all the donations, and the support was based on the one singular goal, and hope, that eventually they would be extended an invitation to a P5 conference. The ECU faithful would not allow themselves to believe there wasn't a chance, however small that eventually they would get the call. Now, even to the most hardcore ECU fan, it has to be apparent, that this goal is probably dead. So the big question is, based on this realization, do we start to see a gradual drop in attendance, donations, general support of the program, while the App, ODU, GS etc, continue to build their programs and narrow the gap.

That IS the $64,000 question.

(01-12-2017 01:47 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 11:56 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 10:46 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  ECU fans measure your whatever, but to everyone outside of the AAC App and ECU are the same, sorry guys.

In some ways yes. If we are just talking about product on the field ECU and App aren't the same I'd favor you guys by 2-3 TD's neutral field if we played tomorrow. In terms of perception outside the state/region I'd also agree neither of us register in any real way. However, there's a reason your administration desperately wants this series and was thrilled to accept it on uneven terms. In terms of fan base and stadium you guys are 30 years behind ECU. There's a reason you'll charge probably your highest ticket prices ever for the game in Boone and it will break whatever current attendance record you have. There's a reason you'll probably have your stadium expanded in time to play us at home or have temp seating brought in just for that game. The reason is we aren't the same. In the same way ECU needed series with NC State and UNC you guys need games with us. You need series like that to justify stadium expansions, to grow the fan base, all the same reasons ECU needed series with State and UNC and still do. Now yes State and UNC benefit from playing ECU, but if we never played again they wouldn't lose sleep over it. ECU is gonna benefit from playing App, long term I think they'll benefit a lot from it, but currently it's going to benefit you guys a lot more. You won't admit it, because I wouldn't go to a State board and admit that we desperately need to play games with them but it's true. Even home games against vastly superior programs like VT and WVU don't drive season ticket sales and don't mean as much as a home game against State. So yes in terms of the on the field ECU fans do need to face reality that we aren't and probably never will be again a vastly superior program over long stretches, it will ebb and flow, but off the field the gap is quite big.

Both programs need games like this. All programs at the G5 level need games that create revenue through ticket sales.

Look in your side view mirror ECU, read the print.

Good 'un Saint!

(01-12-2017 10:23 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 09:25 AM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 09:01 AM)moehler Wrote:  I think a lot of the problem some ECU fans have, isn't with App, most will concede that we're a good FBS program, and its a good thing to form an instate rivalry with us, but rather, their being forced to face the reality that all their efforts, all the money spent on stadium reinvations, fan support etc. just to show the P5 schools their ready to move up, has failed, and their just a G5 school like App. I actually feel for them, they have done everything possible to show they have more in common with the ACC than the SBC, but their location is just brutal, and unless somehow a new P5 conference is formed, which isn't going to happen, then they better get use to playing away games against the likes of App, Charlotte, or ODU.

I agree with your statement. I would hate to be in their shoes, and would likely be bitter too. Being in the AAC should have been a wake up call for ECU. There are 2 to 3 programs in the AAC that would get the call up ahead of them if the opportunity arose. Add BYU to the mix, and it's even more. The expansion pace is slow right now, so it might as well be 10 programs ahead of them. They have hit their ceiling. The AAC is a good conference and a good fit for ECU. OOC series against an in state team that brought an estimated 15k as an FCS team is no brainer. We are going after a lot of the same recruits now, and I'm thrilled we have the opportunity to prove our worth to them with this series. Emagine what this will do for our in state recruiting if we win the series. Big opportunity for App!

You'd hate to be in our shoes?

Ok, we're both G5, yes. But that's where the comparison ends.

However... the AAC's TV deal nets each team about $2M per year. The SunBelt last I saw was around $100K per team. While both are peanuts compared to P5 contracts, one is a drastically larger amount of peanuts.

The AAC has sent 2 teams to the Access Bowl, out of 3 years... winning both.

You JUST started getting some bigger name schools to come to your stadium... we have had that going for decades. (Kudos on the Miami game... would love to have them in Greenville.)

Kidd-Brewer: 24,050
Dowdy-Ficklen: 50,000

Our recruiting classes are better.

Yes, you have been successful in the Sun Belt... but we were successful in C-USA... both are **** leagues. If App played an AAC schedule, it would have struggled to become bowl eligible. You can't take a week off in the AAC. There are no Texas States or NMSUs in the American. Yes, we struggled in our bowl games for whatever reason, but there is no denying that top to bottom, the American is a much better league than the Sun Belt.

So... keep on thinking that you'd hate to be in our shoes. Maybe if you say it enough times, it will make it true.

Good day.

According to 247 sports, App is 84th in recruiting while ECU is 72nd. ECU's average is 80.41 while App's is 78.96. That isn't exactly winning the recruiting battle by a large amount.

We can't argue that ECU has a larger stadium, more donations, and a larger athletic budget. I'll still take our facilities, stadium not included, and location any day compared to ECU. You ECU folks can argue all you want but if we lined up tomorrow we would stomp you guys and that's with your stadium, donations and budget. In regards to Ecugrad07 recruiting quips, I don't see ECU with a freshman All-American (Clifton Duck) and he was rated a 2 star 75 by 247sports. At the G5 level their rating aren't too accurate.. Like Eric noted, ECUs recruiting, even according to the recruiting sites, isn't far ahead of Apps. If you look at on field performance I don't think you could argue that at all. ECU is nothing but average and even with their advantage in money App can still more than hold their own with ECU on the field. You'll see soon enough.

Love it. As long as we can make sure the Greenville games aren't at noon in September. God, those last two have been hellaciously hot.

(01-12-2017 09:36 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  Love it. As long as we can make sure the Greenville games aren't at noon in September. God, those last two have been hellaciously hot.

Hotter than a Greenville STD clinic, that's for damn sure.

(01-12-2017 05:48 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 01:02 PM)moehler Wrote:  I think the question that needs to be asked is will the ECU faithful continue to support the program now that they are coming to the realization they probably are never going to get that P5 invitation. Think about it, all the building, all the donations, and the support was based on the one singular goal, and hope, that eventually they would be extended an invitation to a P5 conference. The ECU faithful would not allow themselves to believe there wasn't a chance, however small that eventually they would get the call. Now, even to the most hardcore ECU fan, it has to be apparent, that this goal is probably dead. So the big question is, based on this realization, do we start to see a gradual drop in attendance, donations, general support of the program, while the App, ODU, GS etc, continue to build their programs and narrow the gap. That IS the $64,000 question.

I think the answer is yes ECU fans will continue to support their program. The answer is already provided in the funds already being raised to as part of a 55-60 million dollar renovation that well ahead of schedule even with a 3-9 football season and a young bball team that is often anemic offensively at times. All the boxes and seats were sold in less than two weeks. It begins after the 2017 season and will be completed sometime in 2018. Including donations and sold boxes the Pirates raised about $27 million in just a very few months. ASU is doing a good job but I can tell you from experience as a former CUSA member there is huge difference in leagues, believe it or not. This not a talk down, but, I'm telling you there is a huge difference. ASU people always mention a win here and there but week to week it is much different. Yes the AAC blew up in bowl season but lots of teams were working with skeleton type staffs and were not well prepared.

(01-13-2017 11:21 AM)diamond coach Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 05:48 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 01:02 PM)moehler Wrote:  I think the question that needs to be asked is will the ECU faithful continue to support the program now that they are coming to the realization they probably are never going to get that P5 invitation. Think about it, all the building, all the donations, and the support was based on the one singular goal, and hope, that eventually they would be extended an invitation to a P5 conference. The ECU faithful would not allow themselves to believe there wasn't a chance, however small that eventually they would get the call. Now, even to the most hardcore ECU fan, it has to be apparent, that this goal is probably dead. So the big question is, based on this realization, do we start to see a gradual drop in attendance, donations, general support of the program, while the App, ODU, GS etc, continue to build their programs and narrow the gap. That IS the $64,000 question.

I think the answer is yes ECU fans will continue to support their program. The answer is already provided in the funds already being raised to as part of a 55-60 million dollar renovation that well ahead of schedule even with a 3-9 football season and a young bball team that is often anemic offensively at times. All the boxes and seats were sold in less than two weeks. It begins after the 2017 season and will be completed sometime in 2018. Including donations and sold boxes the Pirates raised about $27 million in just a very few months. ASU is doing a good job but I can tell you from experience as a former CUSA member there is huge difference in leagues, believe it or not. This not a talk down, but, I'm telling you there is a huge difference. ASU people always mention a win here and there but week to week it is much different. Yes the AAC blew up in bowl season but lots of teams were working with skeleton type staffs and were not well prepared.

I mean in reality you guys are still in CUSA but with just a different conference name. Still playing mainly the same teams you were before the MTSUs of the world entered the current CUSA (you guys still couldn't win the conference after it was watered down). Difference isn't that big, ECU is still a mostly solid program with ups and downs. Nothing new.

(01-12-2017 10:23 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  The AAC has sent 2 teams to the Access Bowl, out of 3 years... winning both.

I have no intention or desire to get involved in the back-and-forth of this thread, but I wanted to point out...in case it hasn't been noted yet...that this isn't correct.

By the time this series get underway ECU's AD and football coach will be gone because they didn't win enough or won big. The same thing will happen with ASU.

We are both G5 schools but ECU has been at it longer. Always the bridesmaid and never the bride. But, ECU fans will continue to strive for that inclusion as there is no other choice for ECU fans.

Anyone, Anytime, Anywhere!

(01-13-2017 01:04 PM)Rowdydowdy Wrote:  By the time this series get underway ECU's AD and football coach will be gone because they didn't win enough or won big. The same thing will happen with ASU.

We are both G5 schools but ECU has been at it longer. Always the bridesmaid and never the bride. But, ECU fans will continue to strive for that inclusion as there is no other choice for ECU fans.

Anyone, Anytime, Anywhere!

Ummmm what? App has two losing seasons since 1990; ECU has 2 since 2015. Two 10 win seasons and no less than a 3rd place finish since joining the Sun Belt in 2014; 6 SoCon Championships in a row (one of those seasons included only a 6 point loss in Greenville), now a Sun Belt Championship (shared).

App will lose the head coach due to an offer being made to a P5 school, not due to poor performance like Coach Mo is going to be. My personal wish as someone with ties to ECU is that Lincoln Riley is courted and asked to return to Greenville to right the ship there as he was the driving force behind the success in the post-Holtz era.

(01-13-2017 12:56 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 10:23 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  The AAC has sent 2 teams to the Access Bowl, out of 3 years... winning both.

I have no intention or desire to get involved in the back-and-forth of this thread, but I wanted to point out...in case it hasn't been noted yet...that this isn't correct.

That's correct. In 2013, Central Florida did not get an access bowl bid. Rather, the won the then-brand new AAC's final automatic bid to the BCS, which had for the previous 15 years gone to the Big East champion. The first CFP Access Bowl entrant was Boise State for the 2014 season. That was when there was a three way tie for the ACA title between Memphis, Cincinnati, and UFC. None of them went to a New Year's Six bowl. In 2015, Houston got the AAC's only access bowl bid so far. For the 2016 season, Western Michigan got the access bowl bid.

(01-13-2017 02:12 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(01-13-2017 01:04 PM)Rowdydowdy Wrote:  By the time this series get underway ECU's AD and football coach will be gone because they didn't win enough or won big. The same thing will happen with ASU.

We are both G5 schools but ECU has been at it longer. Always the bridesmaid and never the bride. But, ECU fans will continue to strive for that inclusion as there is no other choice for ECU fans.

Anyone, Anytime, Anywhere!

Ummmm what? App has two losing seasons since 1990; ECU has 2 since 2015. Two 10 win seasons and no less than a 3rd place finish since joining the Sun Belt in 2014; 6 SoCon Championships in a row (one of those seasons included only a 6 point loss in Greenville), now a Sun Belt Championship (shared).

App will lose the head coach due to an offer being made to a P5 school, not due to poor performance like Coach Mo is going to be. My personal wish as someone with ties to ECU is that Lincoln Riley is courted and asked to return to Greenville to right the ship there as he was the driving force behind the success in the post-Holtz era.

Isn't that what he said? Coaches from both will be gone because either they did well or poorly.

(01-13-2017 05:46 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  

(01-13-2017 02:12 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(01-13-2017 01:04 PM)Rowdydowdy Wrote:  By the time this series get underway ECU's AD and football coach will be gone because they didn't win enough or won big. The same thing will happen with ASU.

We are both G5 schools but ECU has been at it longer. Always the bridesmaid and never the bride. But, ECU fans will continue to strive for that inclusion as there is no other choice for ECU fans.

Anyone, Anytime, Anywhere!

Ummmm what? App has two losing seasons since 1990; ECU has 2 since 2015. Two 10 win seasons and no less than a 3rd place finish since joining the Sun Belt in 2014; 6 SoCon Championships in a row (one of those seasons included only a 6 point loss in Greenville), now a Sun Belt Championship (shared).

App will lose the head coach due to an offer being made to a P5 school, not due to poor performance like Coach Mo is going to be. My personal wish as someone with ties to ECU is that Lincoln Riley is courted and asked to return to Greenville to right the ship there as he was the driving force behind the success in the post-Holtz era.

Isn't that what he said? Coaches from both will be gone because either they did well or poorly.

Shh

So first game in Charlotte in 21, 24 and 26 in Greenville, and 25 in Boone.

2021-Charlotte
2024-Greenville
2025-Boone
2026-Greenville

Good decision to put the Charlotte game first. App fans do you expect you will have completed stadium expansion by 2025?

(01-17-2017 02:21 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Good decision to put the Charlotte game first. App fans do you expect you will have completed stadium expansion by 2025?

We should know more very soon. We keep hearing a facility plan is going to be announced, but nobody seems to know when that is. I have wondered if we were waiting until after this announcement to use it to help the fund raising campaign.

(01-17-2017 02:21 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Good decision to put the Charlotte game first. App fans do you expect you will have completed stadium expansion by 2025?

Plan (likely) includes relocating the track, a tear down & rebuild of our field house in the north endzone, addition of club seats in that endzone, and additional seating along both sidelines. I'd be willing to guess all in, this would bring our official capacity to 28-29k, maybe more depending on exactly what they do. Actual capacity should be 33-35k.

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2 for 1. That's about right.