South Florida
TV Market rank: No. 11
Academic Ranking: No. 89


UConn
TV Market rank: No. 30
Academic Ranking: No. 58

Tulane
TV Market rank: No. 50
Academic Ranking: No. 73



The Rest:
Memphis, Oregon State, and Washington State

The Rest part II:
San Diego State, Colorado State, Rice

I approve this list

I assert that to expedite the playoff whims of ESPN, get ESPN to pay full pro-rata for WOSU. It would be another boost to the 14 (or 13) ACC schools as well as more money flowing into the ACCN, perhaps you go for the trifecta with BSU and have a true western division that is mostly self sufficient.

If you can get a pro-rata for each and skim them like Stan, Cal and SMU, you get the money much closer to where FSU needs it to be.

Yeah, I would consider moving WOSU up and merging The Rest.

USF
UConn
Memphis
Tulane

We could wind up with all of those schools.


UConn -- bolsters hoops big time. Adds to NE corridor. Brings new state to ACCN.

Wash St, Ore St -- Adds to West ACC. Brings 2 new states to ACCN.

USF -- Adds to Florida footprint. AAU school. Investing in facilities (finally).

Tulane, Memphis -- Adds to "Texas" (Central) part of ACC footprint. Brings 2 new states to ACCN.



My order:

UConn
Ore State
Wash State
Sout Florida
Memphis
Tulane

USF should be automatic if FSU leaves, and is the strongest G5 candidate anyway.
Tulane is arguably the 2nd strongest G5 candidate. However, they must be weighed against (a) Oregon State, or (b) poaching a team from the Big XII.

My order:

Tied:
Ore State
Wash State
USF

Then (or maybe up a group):
Tulane

Then (or maybe up a group):
UConn

Then:
Memphis <- Academics, better B12 fit.

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Or, forget the whole thing & wait for B12 teams.

I believe that USF will replace FSU and that the ACC will stay at 17 until the playoff situation settles.

It depends on when FSU leaves and whether another team decides to leave. I would wait until the B12 media deal expires but if the ACC has to expand now, my choice would be:

Top choice: USF, Oregon State
Second choice: UConn
Third choice: Tulane

If only FSU leaves...USF is a no-brainer.

If Clemson goes too...it gets more complicated

(03-02-2024 10:44 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  South Florida
TV Market rank: No. 11
Academic Ranking: No. 89


UConn
TV Market rank: No. 30
Academic Ranking: No. 58

Tulane
TV Market rank: No. 50
Academic Ranking: No. 73



The Rest:
Memphis, Oregon State, and Washington State

The Rest part II:
San Diego State, Colorado State, Rice

National Science Foundation R-D rankings:

47 - Utah
75- USF
78 - Delaware
79 - UConn
99 - Oregon State
106 - George Washington
121 - Tulane

Grad Students

15K - GW
11K - USF
8.3 K - UConn and Utah
5.9K - Oregon State
5.4 K - Tulane

All Undergrad Students on Main Campus
36K - USF
32K - Oregon State
26K - Utah
24K - UConn
19K - Delaware
12K - GW
8K - Tulane

City or DMA's brought along that are "new" to the ACC:

OSU - Portland and Southside Washington, Medford, Eugene
Tulane - New Orleans and Baton Rouge
Utah - Utah plus Mormon country in Idaho and Nevada
UConn - Hartford
GW - MD
USF - Nothing new

(03-03-2024 07:46 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(03-02-2024 10:44 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  South Florida
TV Market rank: No. 11
Academic Ranking: No. 89


UConn
TV Market rank: No. 30
Academic Ranking: No. 58

Tulane
TV Market rank: No. 50
Academic Ranking: No. 73



The Rest:
Memphis, Oregon State, and Washington State

The Rest part II:
San Diego State, Colorado State, Rice

National Science Foundation R-D rankings:

47 - Utah
75- USF
78 - Delaware
79 - UConn
99 - Oregon State
106 - George Washington
121 - Tulane

Grad Students

15K - GW
11K - USF
8.3 K - UConn and Utah
5.9K - Oregon State
5.4 K - Tulane

All Undergrad Students on Main Campus
36K - USF
32K - Oregon State
26K - Utah
24K - UConn
19K - Delaware
12K - GW
8K - Tulane

City or DMA's brought along that are "new" to the ACC:

OSU - Portland and Southside Washington, Medford, Eugene
Tulane - New Orleans and Baton Rouge
Utah - Utah plus Mormon country in Idaho and Nevada
UConn - Hartford
GW - MD
USF - Nothing new

Didn't GW give up football a long time ago?

Lance - yes they did. I only include them for comparison purposes and to see if someone wants to add GW for most sports except football and add Navy for Football and a few sports. Mainly just to stick a finger in MD's eye.

Got to fill up Potomac Yards https://northernvirginiamag.com/culture/...omac-yard/

(03-03-2024 10:06 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Lance - yes they did. I only include them for comparison purposes and to see if someone wants to add GW for most sports except football and add Navy for Football and a few sports. Mainly just to stick a finger in MD's eye.

Got to fill up Potomac Yards https://northernvirginiamag.com/culture/...omac-yard/

Message received.

(03-03-2024 07:46 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  City or DMA's brought along that are "new" to the ACC:

OSU - Portland and Southside Washington, Medford, Eugene
Tulane - New Orleans and Baton Rouge
Utah - Utah plus Mormon country in Idaho and Nevada
UConn - Hartford
GW - MD
USF - Nothing new

This is incorrect and, frankly, sounds disingenuous and possibly trolling.

USF brings the Orlando/Daytona Beach/Melbourne FL DMA (4M people) - bigger than the DMAs of Portland, New Orleans, or Hartford. That's true even with FSU still in the ACC. Without FSU, USF helps the ACC retain full TV carriage throughout the state of Florida (not just South Florida). I'd say that brings a lot!

Orlando is also full of co-branding opportunities for the ACC which the American conference is probably unable to exploit.

Finally, having 2 schools in Florida allows all the other schools to continue to mine that state for talent. Cut it down to one school, and all of a sudden everyone else has a lot less presence there.
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(03-04-2024 06:08 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 07:46 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  City or DMA's brought along that are "new" to the ACC:

OSU - Portland and Southside Washington, Medford, Eugene
Tulane - New Orleans and Baton Rouge
Utah - Utah plus Mormon country in Idaho and Nevada
UConn - Hartford
GW - MD
USF - Nothing new

This is incorrect and, frankly, sounds disingenuous and possibly trolling.

USF brings the Orlando/Daytona Beach/Melbourne FL DMA (4M people) - bigger than the DMAs of Portland, New Orleans, or Hartford. That's true even with FSU still in the ACC. Without FSU, USF helps the ACC retain full TV carriage throughout the state of Florida (not just South Florida). I'd say that brings a lot!

Orlando is also full of co-branding opportunities for the ACC which the American conference is probably unable to exploit.

Finally, having 2 schools in Florida allows all the other schools to continue to mine that state for talent. Cut it down to one school, and all of a sudden everyone else has a lot less presence there.
.

Did you just mix up USF and UCF cause USF is in Tampa, but to your point, it at least maintains some parts of Florida lost when FSU and maybe Miami leave.

USF is the Tampa area, UCF is Orlando.

When I think of who I want to bring in, I think what rivalry games they bring in with them. WSU has UW, OSU has UO, those 2 games had more than 4m watching last year. Put BSU in the mix and you have created a combination of 3 interesting games: WSU-OSU, WSU-BSU, OSU-BSU. There is nothing standing in the way of grabbing up these 3, ESPN just needs to be sold on the idea, maybe Gonzaga gets added to further enhance basketball and Olympic sports.

The ACC could expand so much that a western division forms and there becomes little cross over between the 2 sides, but of course we still want interesting matchups and strong brands. Perhaps something that looks like this:

Cal, Stan, SMU, SDSU, BSU, WSU, OSU as well as Gonzaga and ND as basketball additions to this division. You can get 16 basketball games from this combo. You can shift ND or SMU back over to the main land if you expand any more. The west lacks a true power house football program, but there are a lot of decent to above average football brands.

UCONN gets the country club veto. A Blumenthal too far.

Memphis gets the academic veto.

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(03-04-2024 06:08 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 07:46 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  City or DMA's brought along that are "new" to the ACC:

OSU - Portland and Southside Washington, Medford, Eugene
Tulane - New Orleans and Baton Rouge
Utah - Utah plus Mormon country in Idaho and Nevada
UConn - Hartford
GW - MD
USF - Nothing new

This is incorrect and, frankly, sounds disingenuous and possibly trolling.

USF brings the Orlando/Daytona Beach/Melbourne FL DMA (4M people) - bigger than the DMAs of Portland, New Orleans, or Hartford. That's true even with FSU still in the ACC. Without FSU, USF helps the ACC retain full TV carriage throughout the state of Florida (not just South Florida). I'd say that brings a lot!

Orlando is also full of co-branding opportunities for the ACC which the American conference is probably unable to exploit.

Finally, having 2 schools in Florida allows all the other schools to continue to mine that state for talent. Cut it down to one school, and all of a sudden everyone else has a lot less presence there.
.

As much as I'd like to get upset with you (or anyone/everyone) for confusing c and USF, replacing the words Orlando with Tampa and then Daytona Beach/Melbourne with St. Petersburg/Sarasota, the post is still accurate.

Someone else mentioned rivalry games, hot take: USF/c is a P2-worthy rivalry game. Only 80 miles between us, overlapping recruiting territory makes most fans know players on the other teams, many fans went to high school with people at the other school, USF carries the academic tilt, c has the athletics tilt (akin to UF/FSU). Both have a chip on their shoulder with the "big 3" in Florida. It's worth watching in all sports.