(03-07-2024 08:12 AM)XLance Wrote:  The simplest candidate would be a SEC school moving to the ACC in a swap for FSU.

It is the cheapest move that could be made. A couple of rivalries on both sides could be maintained in an effort to soften the economic impact on both schools.

Which school from the SEC would voluntarily leave the monies, the stability and status of the SEC, to come to the ACC? It would boil down to kicking out an SEC school to be relagated to the ACC. I really dont understand how this would be a feasible option.

(03-07-2024 08:41 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Utah negotiated an exemption from the 99 year Big 12 GOR? Well that seems interesting


https://x.com/utesince84/status/17656130...OBPKLg0WDw

Wow, they have a 99 year GOR agreement? LOL, the craziest part is that Colorado was desperate enough to sign it. Why? I wonder if other B12 schools signed such. If so, why do folks think that B12 schools are right for the picking by 2030?

(03-06-2024 05:54 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 07:32 PM)XLance Wrote:  I don't believe that any school from the Big 12 (including Kansas) will be moving to the SEC, B1G or ACC.

IMO, as student-athletes begin to get more compensation, the financial situation is going to change rapidly for a lot of B12 schools. Once pay-for-play happens, the B1G and SEC are going to start taking further advantage of their athletic department revenue generation ability…regardless of whether there is a breakaway.

Per FY2021-22 (and 5 year average) EADA reports, average revenues for the new conference lineups:

SEC $162M ($142M over 5 years)
B1G $149M ($127M)
ACC $126M ($109M)
B12 $100M ($89M)

Kansas ($123M avg revenues over the past 5 years) and TCU ($118M) are the only B12 schools with strong financial resources. ASU ($107M), Arizona ($101M) and Baylor ($103M) are probably fine, because their revenues are comparable to the lower quartile in the SEC and B1G. Nevertheless, the majority of the B12 schools will struggle financially in the new environment. More than likely, some B12 schools will be available in four to six years…and they’ll have much stronger AD foundations to succeed (as compared to G5 call-ups).

You listed my top 3 expansion "wish list" teams: Kansas, TCU, and Arizona State.

(03-07-2024 08:41 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Utah negotiated an exemption from the 99 year Big 12 GOR? Well that seems interesting

https://x.com/utesince84/status/17656130...OBPKLg0WDw

1. I'm sure Utah holds out hope for a Big Ten invite that isn't coming, but
2. I'm also convinced that Utah (and Arizona State) would rather be in the ACC than the Big XII - they just didn't think an invitation was forthcoming.

BTW, Utah completes my top 4 best expansion candidates list.
(Note: USF is an exception and jumps to #1 if/only if FSU leaves and is #6 otherwise; Tulane is #5 for me if FSU stays - don't hold your breath!).

(03-07-2024 08:41 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Utah negotiated an exemption from the 99 year Big 12 GOR? Well that seems interesting


https://x.com/utesince84/status/17656130...OBPKLg0WDw

99 ... year .... GOR?

We've finally seen something to make Swofford look like a genius.

(03-07-2024 09:19 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 08:41 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Utah negotiated an exemption from the 99 year Big 12 GOR? Well that seems interesting


https://x.com/utesince84/status/17656130...OBPKLg0WDw

Wow, they have a 99 year GOR agreement? LOL, the craziest part is that Colorado was desperate enough to sign it. Why? I wonder if other B12 schools signed such. If so, why do folks think that B12 schools are right for the picking by 2030?

Bylaws, not GOR.

(03-07-2024 10:31 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 09:19 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 08:41 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Utah negotiated an exemption from the 99 year Big 12 GOR? Well that seems interesting


https://x.com/utesince84/status/17656130...OBPKLg0WDw

Wow, they have a 99 year GOR agreement? LOL, the craziest part is that Colorado was desperate enough to sign it. Why? I wonder if other B12 schools signed such. If so, why do folks think that B12 schools are right for the picking by 2030?

Bylaws, not GOR.

What does it even mean? Is it a pinky swear, or does it have teeth?

(03-07-2024 11:50 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 10:31 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 09:19 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 08:41 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Utah negotiated an exemption from the 99 year Big 12 GOR? Well that seems interesting


https://x.com/utesince84/status/17656130...OBPKLg0WDw

Wow, they have a 99 year GOR agreement? LOL, the craziest part is that Colorado was desperate enough to sign it. Why? I wonder if other B12 schools signed such. If so, why do folks think that B12 schools are right for the picking by 2030?

Bylaws, not GOR.

What does it even mean? Is it a pinky swear, or does it have teeth?

The only way to determine if it has teeth is to try to leave before 99 years are up.

I don't know the term of the Big 12 GOR,.

(03-07-2024 12:01 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 11:50 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 10:31 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 09:19 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 08:41 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Utah negotiated an exemption from the 99 year Big 12 GOR? Well that seems interesting


https://x.com/utesince84/status/17656130...OBPKLg0WDw

Wow, they have a 99 year GOR agreement? LOL, the craziest part is that Colorado was desperate enough to sign it. Why? I wonder if other B12 schools signed such. If so, why do folks think that B12 schools are right for the picking by 2030?

Bylaws, not GOR.

What does it even mean? Is it a pinky swear, or does it have teeth?

The only way to determine if it has teeth is to try to leave before 99 years are up.

I don't know the term of the Big 12 GOR,.

Texas and Oklahoma left (are leaving) and they had the same 99 year clause when they joined the Big 12.

(03-06-2024 11:58 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Replace FSU+UNC with USF/UConn/Memphis???

Is this guy serious?

I actually think the ACC has the following on Deck: (No certain Order)

USF, UCONN, Oregon State, Tulane, Colorado State.

However if only FSU leaves I can see where the ACC stands pat until the SEC/BIG expand via next TV contract. As the ACC can lose up to 4 teams before before they have to add anyone.

(03-07-2024 08:41 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Utah negotiated an exemption from the 99 year Big 12 GOR? Well that seems interesting


https://x.com/utesince84/status/17656130...OBPKLg0WDw

I don’t believe that the B12 can have a 99-year GOR. IIRC, GORs are for the terms of media deals. The B12 media deal starts June 2024 and lasts for six years. If you look at the post on X, the source tweet does not even mention a GOR.

There are reports that that the B12 membership does have a 99-year term in the bylaws…and that exit fees are applicable for any team leaving prior to the end of the term. Regardless, OUT left the B12 without paying the 2x exit fees.

(03-07-2024 09:39 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-06-2024 05:54 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 07:32 PM)XLance Wrote:  I don't believe that any school from the Big 12 (including Kansas) will be moving to the SEC, B1G or ACC.

IMO, as student-athletes begin to get more compensation, the financial situation is going to change rapidly for a lot of B12 schools. Once pay-for-play happens, the B1G and SEC are going to start taking further advantage of their athletic department revenue generation ability…regardless of whether there is a breakaway.

Per FY2021-22 (and 5 year average) EADA reports, average revenues for the new conference lineups:

SEC $162M ($142M over 5 years)
B1G $149M ($127M)
ACC $126M ($109M)
B12 $100M ($89M)

Kansas ($123M avg revenues over the past 5 years) and TCU ($118M) are the only B12 schools with strong financial resources. ASU ($107M), Arizona ($101M) and Baylor ($103M) are probably fine, because their revenues are comparable to the lower quartile in the SEC and B1G. Nevertheless, the majority of the B12 schools will struggle financially in the new environment. More than likely, some B12 schools will be available in four to six years…and they’ll have much stronger AD foundations to succeed (as compared to G5 call-ups).

You listed my top 3 expansion "wish list" teams: Kansas, TCU, and Arizona State.

(03-07-2024 08:41 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Utah negotiated an exemption from the 99 year Big 12 GOR? Well that seems interesting

https://x.com/utesince84/status/17656130...OBPKLg0WDw

1. I'm sure Utah holds out hope for a Big Ten invite that isn't coming, but
2. I'm also convinced that Utah (and Arizona State) would rather be in the ACC than the Big XII - they just didn't think an invitation was forthcoming.

BTW, Utah completes my top 4 best expansion candidates list.
(Note: USF is an exception and jumps to #1 if/only if FSU leaves and is #6 otherwise; Tulane is #5 for me if FSU stays - don't hold your breath!).

Agree with this “wish list”

Don’t know how realistic it is in the future, but time will tell. The ACC once had a chance at KU and TCU, but decided to foolishly partake in the “Alliance” (the B12 would have backfilled Memphis & SMU and just moved on).

(03-07-2024 02:23 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  I don’t believe that the B12 can have a 99-year GOR. IIRC, GORs are for the terms of media deals. The B12 media deal starts June 2024 and lasts for six years. If you look at the post on X, the source tweet does not even mention a GOR.

There are reports that that the B12 membership does have a 99-year term in the bylaws…and that exit fees are applicable for any team leaving prior to the end of the term. Regardless, OUT left the B12 without paying the 2x exit fees.

So their exit fee is somehow more legal because it expires in 99 years? OK...

1. Utah, 2. Oregon State, 3. USF

(03-07-2024 08:34 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  1. Utah, 2. Oregon State, 3. USF

Are these new members, or are we replacing school(s)?

While the ACC was twiddling it's thumbs, they let a getable Utah team go. Stan, Cal, OSU, Utah would have been a decent consolation prize after getting played and losing out on Oregon and Washington. SMU would be an unfortunate casualty, but I'd try to work them in at a later date. I'd be ok with giving these schools 75% of the tier 1 shares with the rest of it going to the "success incentive initiative". Oh man..what could have been.

(03-07-2024 08:34 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  1. Utah, 2. Oregon State, 3. USF

Great List

(03-07-2024 08:34 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  1. Utah, 2. Oregon State, 3. USF

(03-07-2024 10:24 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

So lemme get this straight...FSU exposes trade secrets by pointing out the unilateral deal with ESPN that gives them the right to back out of the ACC contract, but the Big12s membership concessions are fair game?

(03-07-2024 08:34 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  1. Utah, 2. Oregon State, 3. USF

If the Big 12 schools are available to the ACC, SEC and B1G, then I think the top three for the ACC (in no particular order) would be:

Utah
Kansas
TCU

These three would be the perfect additions IF the oft talked about pair (Florida State and Clemson) were to depart for the SEC.
The ACC would then match the B1G and SEC at 18 members each and like the B1G would span the entire country.

The first alternate would be USF.