(03-04-2024 09:28 AM)SFLFB Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 06:08 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 07:46 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  City or DMA's brought along that are "new" to the ACC:

OSU - Portland and Southside Washington, Medford, Eugene
Tulane - New Orleans and Baton Rouge
Utah - Utah plus Mormon country in Idaho and Nevada
UConn - Hartford
GW - MD
USF - Nothing new

This is incorrect and, frankly, sounds disingenuous and possibly trolling.

USF brings the Orlando/Daytona Beach/Melbourne FL DMA (4M people) - bigger than the DMAs of Portland, New Orleans, or Hartford. That's true even with FSU still in the ACC. Without FSU, USF helps the ACC retain full TV carriage throughout the state of Florida (not just South Florida). I'd say that brings a lot!

Orlando is also full of co-branding opportunities for the ACC which the American conference is probably unable to exploit.

Finally, having 2 schools in Florida allows all the other schools to continue to mine that state for talent. Cut it down to one school, and all of a sudden everyone else has a lot less presence there.
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As much as I'd like to get upset with you (or anyone/everyone) for confusing c and USF, replacing the words Orlando with Tampa and then Daytona Beach/Melbourne with St. Petersburg/Sarasota, the post is still accurate.

Someone else mentioned rivalry games, hot take: USF/c is a P2-worthy rivalry game. Only 80 miles between us, overlapping recruiting territory makes most fans know players on the other teams, many fans went to high school with people at the other school, USF carries the academic tilt, c has the athletics tilt (akin to UF/FSU). Both have a chip on their shoulder with the "big 3" in Florida. It's worth watching in all sports.

Agree. But it’s only worth it if the conference has both USF and UCF. USF vs Miami is not a thing and will not likely develop into a thing no matter how much you/we wish it. They are a great market and academic add. I’d hope the ACC can see past that, but history says otherwise. Ironically the best synergy for USF in the ACC is FSU, but unfortunately won’t happen.

Tulane does not bring New Orleans and Baton Rouge. LSU owns the Louisiana market and this was true even when Tulane was in the SEC.

(03-04-2024 09:47 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Agree. But it’s only worth it if the conference has both USF and UCF. USF vs Miami is not a thing and will not likely develop into a thing no matter how much you/we wish it. They are a great market and academic add. I’d hope the ACC can see past that, but history says otherwise. Ironically the best synergy for USF in the ACC is FSU, but unfortunately won’t happen.

I don't know. Out of conference regional rivalries are still really powerful TV draws. FSU/UF is a good example, USC/Clemson, UL/Kentucky, etc. Agreed that USF-Miami will not really become a thing. If USF were invited to the ACC (and we'd rather affiliate with the ACC over the B12 100x over), I think we'd poke at our former Big East schools (UL/Pitt/Cuse/ND), our institutional "peer schools" (GaTech/VaTech/NCSt), and of course, anyone remaining in-state (Miami, assuming FSU is gone).

Adding a c game on rivalry weekend in November would not be a bad idea. I don't think it will be long before c is competitive in the B12 for football, and USF can do the same in the ACC.

(03-04-2024 06:19 AM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 06:08 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 07:46 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  City or DMA's brought along that are "new" to the ACC:

OSU - Portland and Southside Washington, Medford, Eugene
Tulane - New Orleans and Baton Rouge
Utah - Utah plus Mormon country in Idaho and Nevada
UConn - Hartford
GW - MD
USF - Nothing new

This is incorrect and, frankly, sounds disingenuous and possibly trolling.

USF brings the Orlando/Daytona Beach/Melbourne FL DMA (4M people) - bigger than the DMAs of Portland, New Orleans, or Hartford. That's true even with FSU still in the ACC. Without FSU, USF helps the ACC retain full TV carriage throughout the state of Florida (not just South Florida). I'd say that brings a lot!

Orlando is also full of co-branding opportunities for the ACC which the American conference is probably unable to exploit.

Finally, having 2 schools in Florida allows all the other schools to continue to mine that state for talent. Cut it down to one school, and all of a sudden everyone else has a lot less presence there.
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Did you just mix up USF and UCF cause USF is in Tampa, but to your point, it at least maintains some parts of Florida lost when FSU and maybe Miami leave.

Yes I did mix them up. Good catch.

(03-04-2024 09:28 AM)SFLFB Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 06:08 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 07:46 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  City or DMA's brought along that are "new" to the ACC:

OSU - Portland and Southside Washington, Medford, Eugene
Tulane - New Orleans and Baton Rouge
Utah - Utah plus Mormon country in Idaho and Nevada
UConn - Hartford
GW - MD
USF - Nothing new

This is incorrect and, frankly, sounds disingenuous and possibly trolling.

USF brings the Orlando/Daytona Beach/Melbourne FL DMA (4M people) - bigger than the DMAs of Portland, New Orleans, or Hartford. That's true even with FSU still in the ACC. Without FSU, USF helps the ACC retain full TV carriage throughout the state of Florida (not just South Florida). I'd say that brings a lot!

Orlando is also full of co-branding opportunities for the ACC which the American conference is probably unable to exploit.

Finally, having 2 schools in Florida allows all the other schools to continue to mine that state for talent. Cut it down to one school, and all of a sudden everyone else has a lot less presence there.
.

As much as I'd like to get upset with you (or anyone/everyone) for confusing c and USF, replacing the words Orlando with Tampa and then Daytona Beach/Melbourne with St. Petersburg/Sarasota, the post is still accurate.

Someone else mentioned rivalry games, hot take: USF/c is a P2-worthy rivalry game. Only 80 miles between us, overlapping recruiting territory makes most fans know players on the other teams, many fans went to high school with people at the other school, USF carries the academic tilt, c has the athletics tilt (akin to UF/FSU). Both have a chip on their shoulder with the "big 3" in Florida. It's worth watching in all sports.

The ACC is going to ask USF to take the same deal as SMU or at best Cal and Stan. The B12 has better leadership. The B12 is the landing spot for the rest of the ACC that does not make the cut in the P2. If USF has a B12 invite, then you take that and never look back.

The ACC is using duct tape to hold things together until 2036. The future of the ACC appears to be an academic G conference.

(03-03-2024 11:40 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  USF
UConn
Memphis
Tulane

I agree. Those four were in the "First Four Out" during Big 12 expansion in 2021 with Boise State in place of Tulane at the time, those four would be a strong get for the ACC.

(03-04-2024 09:51 AM)EZ rider Wrote:  Tulane does not bring New Orleans and Baton Rouge. LSU owns the Louisiana market and this was true even when Tulane was in the SEC.

The ACC gets paid per state, not per market dma. Tulane is in Louisiana last I checked. It doesn't matter how bad they are or how popular LSU is.

John Skipper explained this years ago.

(03-04-2024 09:51 AM)EZ rider Wrote:  Tulane does not bring New Orleans and Baton Rouge. LSU owns the Louisiana market and this was true even when Tulane was in the SEC.

Totally shocked to hear this from an SMU fan.. based on your history and reputation in delivering Dallas and size of your school… but anyway.. your wrong..

(03-04-2024 09:51 AM)EZ rider Wrote:  Tulane does not bring New Orleans and Baton Rouge. LSU owns the Louisiana market and this was true even when Tulane was in the SEC.

I agree...it isn't 1965 but they do have some fanbase.

They would deliver a new state with good recruits

Great academics with lots of students from the NE

Definitely worth a look...not my top choice but a candidate nonetheless

USF and UCF are each worth 1 pt

USF + UCF = 4 pts

(03-04-2024 05:54 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 09:51 AM)EZ rider Wrote:  Tulane does not bring New Orleans and Baton Rouge. LSU owns the Louisiana market and this was true even when Tulane was in the SEC.

I agree...it isn't 1965 but they do have some fanbase.

They would deliver a new state with good recruits

Great academics with lots of students from the NE

Definitely worth a look...not my top choice but a candidate nonetheless

Tulane is not poor, nor is it wealthy.
Tulane is relatively tiny compared to other research private schools.
One day New Orleans will fall into the Gulf of Mexico.

(03-04-2024 06:56 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 05:54 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 09:51 AM)EZ rider Wrote:  Tulane does not bring New Orleans and Baton Rouge. LSU owns the Louisiana market and this was true even when Tulane was in the SEC.

I agree...it isn't 1965 but they do have some fanbase.

They would deliver a new state with good recruits

Great academics with lots of students from the NE

Definitely worth a look...not my top choice but a candidate nonetheless

Tulane is not poor, nor is it wealthy.
Tulane is relatively tiny compared to other research private schools.
One day New Orleans will fall into the Gulf of Mexico.

It's already below sea level; hard to fall up!
I agree that the ocean will eventually, inevitably, swallow it someday.

I don't believe that any school from the Big 12 (including Kansas) will be moving to the SEC, B1G or ACC.

(03-04-2024 09:51 AM)EZ rider Wrote:  Tulane does not bring New Orleans and Baton Rouge. LSU owns the Louisiana market and this was true even when Tulane was in the SEC.

That is like saying SMU didn't bring anything to the ACC. SO the first thing to recognize is that ACC/ESPN relationship is held together by the cash cow called ACC Network.

So what does Tulane brings to the table besides their academic ranking? They bring ACC Network subscribers from the state of Louisiana. With the state population being 4,573,749 they currently have 1.7M homes that subscribe to some type of Pay for TV that would become "In-State Rate" for the ACC Network (TV Homes projected to top 2M by 2026.)

[u]Current ACC States Population Estimate for 2023[/u]:
1 California 38,965,193
2 Texas 30,503,301
3 Florida 22,610,726
4 New York 19,571,216
5 Penn 12,961,683
6 Illinois 12,549,689 (ND brings Chicago, Ill)
8 Georgia 11,029,227
9 N Carolina 10,835,491
12 Virginia 8,715,698
16 Mass 7,001,3996
23 S Carolina 5,373,555
26 Kentucky 4,526,154

Link
https://www.statsamerica.org/sip/rank_li...op1&ct=S18

Current ACC States #TV households & ACC Network "In State" Subscriptions":
1 California 13.4M
2 Texas 10.7M
3 Florida 8.5M
4 New York 7.6M
5 Penn 5.2M
6 Illinois 4.9M (ND brings Chicago, Ill)
8 N Carolina 4.1M
10 Georgia 4M
12 Virginia 3.3M
16 Mass 2.7M
23 S Carolina 2M
26 Kentucky 1.7M

Link
https://www.statista.com/statistics/2422...-by-state/


So why would Tulane matter to the ACC? If Clemson leaves there are no brands close to Tulane to backfill and keep S. Carolina as an "In-State" subscription rate. However grabbing Tulane would keep the ACC Network dollars the same.

In FACT UCONN would also be in line as a candidate as they have a solid academic ranking and there state population is 3.6M and their TV homes are 1.4M and expected to grow to 1.8M by 2026.

I think who actually would be selected would be the school that is willing to come in at lesser shares like Stanford & Cal or even SMU.

The same data can be used for Oregon St & Washington St? It will be interesting how this plays out for sure.

Agreed the trend has been set

No new ACC backfill will get a full share right away. Save for USF...they might be able to have leverage if FSU and Miami both leave. FAU is a fair backup choice but USF is the play. UCF should be courted around 2028.

(03-05-2024 09:13 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  UCF should be courted around 2028.

UCF should not be allowed in unless they change their name back to the Citronauts.

(03-05-2024 09:27 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(03-05-2024 09:13 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  UCF should be courted around 2028.

UCF should not be allowed in unless they change their name back to the Citronauts.

And back to Florida Tech.

(03-05-2024 10:01 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-05-2024 09:27 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(03-05-2024 09:13 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  UCF should be courted around 2028.

UCF should not be allowed in unless they change their name back to the Citronauts.

And back to Florida Tech.

Impossible, that name is now taken.

(03-05-2024 08:44 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 09:51 AM)EZ rider Wrote:  Tulane does not bring New Orleans and Baton Rouge. LSU owns the Louisiana market and this was true even when Tulane was in the SEC.

That is like saying SMU didn't bring anything to the ACC. SO the first thing to recognize is that ACC/ESPN relationship is held together by the cash cow called ACC Network.

So what does Tulane brings to the table besides their academic ranking? They bring ACC Network subscribers from the state of Louisiana. With the state population being 4,573,749 the currently have 1.7M homes that subscribe to some type of Pay for TV that would become "In-State Rate" for the ACC Network that is projected to top 2M by 2026.

[u]Current ACC States Population Estimate for 2023[/u]:
1 California 38,965,193
2 Texas 30,503,301
3 Florida 22,610,726
4 New York 19,571,216
5 Penn 12,961,683
8 Georgia 11,029,227
9 N Carolina 10,835,491
12 Virginia 8,715,698
16 Mass 7,001,399
17 Indiana 6,862,199
23 S Carolina 5,373,555
26 Kentucky 4,526,154

Link
https://www.statsamerica.org/sip/rank_li...op1&ct=S18

Current ACC States #TV households & ACC Network "In State" Subscriptions":
1 California 13.4M
2 Texas 10.7M
3 Florida 8.5M
4 New York 7.6M
5 Penn 5.2M
8 N Carolina 4.1M
10 Georgia 4M
12 Virginia 3.3M
16 Mass 2.7M
17 Indiana 2.6M
23 S Carolina 2M
26 Kentucky 1.7M

Link
https://www.statista.com/statistics/2422...-by-state/


So why would Tulane matter to the ACC? If Clemson leaves there are no brands close to Tulane to backfill and keep S. Carolina as an "In-State" subscription rate. However grabbing Tulane would keep the ACC Network dollars the same.

In FACT UCONN would also be in line as a candidate as they have a solid academic ranking and there state population is 3.6M and their TV homes are 1.4M and expected to grow to 1.8M by 2026.

I think who actually would be selected would be the school that is willing to come in at lesser shares like Stanford & Cal or even SMU.

The same data can be used for Oregon St & Washington St? It will be interesting how this plays out for sure.

Are there no states bigger than Louisiana that the ACCN could get into...?
Illinois (NIU?) and Ohio (Cincinnati) are nearly 3X as big.
Washington (Wazzu), Arizona (ASU), and Tennessee (Memphis) are nearly 2X as big.

(03-05-2024 10:04 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(03-05-2024 10:01 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-05-2024 09:27 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(03-05-2024 09:13 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  UCF should be courted around 2028.

UCF should not be allowed in unless they change their name back to the Citronauts.

And back to Florida Tech.

Impossible, that name is now taken.

RECOGNIZE!