(02-15-2024 10:36 AM)Eagleholic Wrote:  Didn't GA State start spring football this week? If so, is that going to continue or be put on hold until a new coach can be brought in?

This is awful timing for the Panthers football program from a preparations standpoint. However, as far as player retention goes, it is pretty good since the portal is not open.

I guess the rule for the portal opening for 30 days after a HC change doesn't apply at this point since we're outside of any signing period?

(02-15-2024 10:36 AM)Eagleholic Wrote:  Didn't GA State start spring football this week? If so, is that going to continue or be put on hold until a new coach can be brought in?

This is awful timing for the Panthers football program from a preparations standpoint. However, as far as player retention goes, it is pretty good since the portal is not open.

Yep, spring camp is on hold starting today.

(02-15-2024 10:37 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 10:36 AM)Eagleholic Wrote:  Didn't GA State start spring football this week? If so, is that going to continue or be put on hold until a new coach can be brought in?

This is awful timing for the Panthers football program from a preparations standpoint. However, as far as player retention goes, it is pretty good since the portal is not open.

I guess the rule for the portal opening for 30 days after a HC change doesn't apply at this point since we're outside of any signing period?

I assume that since most schools are in the middle of a semester that it would be hard to leave right now.

If Elliot was making $1M+, he probably doesn't leave. Gotta a find a way to pay our coaches more. We have the best cultures in the G5, the all time winningest programs, but we are behind financially.

(02-15-2024 10:36 AM)Eagleholic Wrote:  However, as far as player retention goes, it is pretty good since the portal is not open.

Does the portal not immediately open up when there is a HC departure?

(02-15-2024 09:35 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  What former App coach does Charlie Cobb hire now?

I hear Steve Wilks is available.

So few consistent reasons seems to be surfacing.

1) Elliott was beyond frustrated with third-party tempering and NIL deals for the 3rd consecutive years.

Honestly, kinda fair. These are the starters he lost to P5s just off my head.
Cristobal- Miami
Clark- Louisville
Thrash- Louisville
Hayes- West Viriginia
Lane- North Carolina
Muhammad- Southern Cal
Gore- Miami
Strachan- South Carolina
Cunningham- Virginia Tech
Lewis- Auburn
Carroll- Missouri
Brown- Boston College

2) His family still lives in South Carolina. Every weekend, he travelled back home to watch his son play HS football for AC Flora. It's completely fair that he wants to be near his family. But it's also fair that GSU fans want an ATL native who loves the city like they do, as well as putting more emphasis on recruiting Atlanta kids over out-of-state kids.

Shawn seems like an old school football guy.

Maybe he got tired of being involved with a football program that has no support.

And before Ga State fans here get upset with me, that’s not a shot at you. Those of you here are obviously the exception and dedicated and I have tremendous respect for your fandom and loyalty to Ga State.

But the reality is, even when you were 6-2 hosting undefeated JMU, in a metro of 6 million, the university couldn’t even get 20k people to show up.

I think Shawn is a “football guy”. If the money is ~par, he’s closer to family, he can be involved with an SEC program and have less responsibility overall, makes total sense to me.

As an outsider looking in, I consider Ga State to be one of the toughest program builds in the country. Will take something remarkable.

(02-15-2024 10:43 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  If Elliot was making $1M+, he probably doesn't leave. Gotta a find a way to pay our coaches more. We have the best cultures in the G5, the all time winningest programs, but we are behind financially.

I don't think extra $200k would've made a difference at all. He's already earned enough, and also going to be well compensated by USC until retirement.

(02-15-2024 10:54 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  So few consistent reasons seems to be surfacing.

1) Elliott was beyond frustrated with third-party tempering and NIL deals for the 3rd consecutive years.

Honestly, kinda fair. These are the starters he lost to P5s just off my head.
Cristobal- Miami
Clark- Louisville
Thrash- Louisville
Hayes- West Viriginia
Lane- North Carolina
Muhammad- Southern Cal
Gore- Miami
Strachan- South Carolina
Cunningham- Virginia Tech
Lewis- Auburn
Carroll- Missouri
Brown- Boston College

2) His family still lives in South Carolina. Every weekend, he travelled back home to watch his son play HS football for AC Flora. It's completely fair that he wants to be near his family. But it's also fair that GSU fans want an ATL native who loves the city like they do, as well as putting more emphasis on recruiting Atlanta kids over out-of-state kids.

That's an incredible amount of players signed by P5s. I think Troy had 4 or 5.

I've been a Troy fan for 18 years. I can remember the first moment I became fan, and that fandom has been a huge part of my life since.

I am still a fan, but NIL and the unlimited transfer portal has made me at least somewhat less interested as much I hate to say it. Money was always a factor, but now it has too much of a say in a program's success, and that's just not a appealing to me. The competition is steadily moving from the football field to the banks.

I mentioned in another thread that star ratings don't matter much at our level, and I still believe that. BUT, I'm smart enough to know that you need money to get the right guys in your program, regardless of what the recruiting services say.

Rarely does what the masses say about the future turn out to be true, but in this case, they were absolutely right about what would happen to college football and the G5 when NIL became real. We are living in it, right now, and it's only going to get worse for those who don't have unlimited funding.

(02-15-2024 10:57 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 10:43 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  If Elliot was making $1M+, he probably doesn't leave. Gotta a find a way to pay our coaches more. We have the best cultures in the G5, the all time winningest programs, but we are behind financially.

I don't think extra $200k would've made a difference at all. He's already earned enough, and also going to be well compensated by USC until retirement.

I really wanted to say $1.5M, but either way, the psychology of "same pay" vs "pay cut" are very different no matter how much money is being made. I imagine there is a number GSU could have given him to keep him around. BUT, if he was truly fed up with the state of college football as a head coach, him staying might not have lead to better seasons. College football is what it is right now, and I hate it.

Also, the "earned enough" mindset is only for guys like you and me. Lifestyle creep is real, and once you're making $750K, your ideas about money absolutely change.

(02-15-2024 10:37 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 10:36 AM)Eagleholic Wrote:  Didn't GA State start spring football this week? If so, is that going to continue or be put on hold until a new coach can be brought in?

This is awful timing for the Panthers football program from a preparations standpoint. However, as far as player retention goes, it is pretty good since the portal is not open.

I guess the rule for the portal opening for 30 days after a HC change doesn't apply at this point since we're outside of any signing period?

My understanding is that it opens immediately, but players wouldn't be able to enroll at their new schools until the Summer.

Here's a stat:

Entering next season only three SBC Teams will return their Head Coach, OC, DC, and starting QB from last year. App, AState, ODU

(02-15-2024 11:06 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 10:54 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  So few consistent reasons seems to be surfacing.

1) Elliott was beyond frustrated with third-party tempering and NIL deals for the 3rd consecutive years.

Honestly, kinda fair. These are the starters he lost to P5s just off my head.
Cristobal- Miami
Clark- Louisville
Thrash- Louisville
Hayes- West Viriginia
Lane- North Carolina
Muhammad- Southern Cal
Gore- Miami
Strachan- South Carolina
Cunningham- Virginia Tech
Lewis- Auburn
Carroll- Missouri
Brown- Boston College

2) His family still lives in South Carolina. Every weekend, he travelled back home to watch his son play HS football for AC Flora. It's completely fair that he wants to be near his family. But it's also fair that GSU fans want an ATL native who loves the city like they do, as well as putting more emphasis on recruiting Atlanta kids over out-of-state kids.

That's an incredible amount of players signed by P5s. I think Troy had 4 or 5.

I've been a Troy fan for 18 years. I can remember the first moment I became fan, and that fandom has been a huge part of my life since.

I am still a fan, but NIL and the unlimited transfer portal has made me at least somewhat less interested as much I hate to say it. Money was always a factor, but now it has too much of a say in a program's success, and that's just not a appealing to me. The competition is steadily moving from the football field to the banks.

I mentioned in another thread that star ratings don't matter much at our level, and I still believe that. BUT, I'm smart enough to know that you need money to get the right guys in your program, regardless of what the recruiting services say.

Rarely does what the masses say about the future turn out to be true, but in this case, they were absolutely right about what would happen to college football and the G5 when NIL became real. We are living in it, right now, and it's only going to get worse for those who don't have unlimited funding.

Yep. I don't know how to feel about it, but we're going to need better regulations and rules at minimum. College football is changing and we're not going back. The era where athletes like Brett Favre create history for the underdog programs are gone. Imagine if WVU or Ohio State were allowed to blatantly pay Randy Moss or Chad Pennington back in their days.

And this post from ESPN's Matt Barrie kinda confirms what's been leaking out from elsewhere.

(02-15-2024 11:06 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 10:54 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  So few consistent reasons seems to be surfacing.

1) Elliott was beyond frustrated with third-party tempering and NIL deals for the 3rd consecutive years.

Honestly, kinda fair. These are the starters he lost to P5s just off my head.
Cristobal- Miami
Clark- Louisville
Thrash- Louisville
Hayes- West Viriginia
Lane- North Carolina
Muhammad- Southern Cal
Gore- Miami
Strachan- South Carolina
Cunningham- Virginia Tech
Lewis- Auburn
Carroll- Missouri
Brown- Boston College

2) His family still lives in South Carolina. Every weekend, he travelled back home to watch his son play HS football for AC Flora. It's completely fair that he wants to be near his family. But it's also fair that GSU fans want an ATL native who loves the city like they do, as well as putting more emphasis on recruiting Atlanta kids over out-of-state kids.

That's an incredible amount of players signed by P5s. I think Troy had 4 or 5.

I've been a Troy fan for 18 years. I can remember the first moment I became fan, and that fandom has been a huge part of my life since.

I am still a fan, but NIL and the unlimited transfer portal has made me at least somewhat less interested as much I hate to say it. Money was always a factor, but now it has too much of a say in a program's success, and that's just not a appealing to me. The competition is steadily moving from the football field to the banks.

I mentioned in another thread that star ratings don't matter much at our level, and I still believe that. BUT, I'm smart enough to know that you need money to get the right guys in your program, regardless of what the recruiting services say.

Rarely does what the masses say about the future turn out to be true, but in this case, they were absolutely right about what would happen to college football and the G5 when NIL became real. We are living in it, right now, and it's only going to get worse for those who don't have unlimited funding.

The challenge for Ga State and some other programs is at least Troy, or JMU, or App, have a history to always fall back on. We were able to build successful programs during a time when we got to keep our talent. I try to imagine App’s FCS 3 peat now and it seems impossible. I’m almost certain we would have lost Armanti Edwards to the portal after the first year. Among others.


How in the world are the Ga States supposed to build long term success in an NIL/transfer portal landscape where the second they sniff success their talent departs. It’s such a daunting problem and frankly seems unachievable.

Well this absolutely stinks for GaSt. Sheesh.

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How many Sun Belt teams are going to 2024 season with new head coaches now. It's going to be interesting this year

(02-15-2024 10:06 AM)Johnnychimpo Wrote:  Imagine having a coach who is 4-1 in bowl games at one of the most difficult coaching jobs in America leave without offering him a $million reasons to stay.

It's not a difficult coaching job though.

Georgia State has the tools to be wildly successful, more than many G5's. They're in a sports city that if GSU catches the national spotlight, it'll kickstart an attendance bandwagon.

Then there's the fact they're in one of the hottest recruiting hubs in the country. You could recruit a competitive FBS roster without ever leaving Fulton County, even after the P4's have had their pickings.

(02-15-2024 12:14 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 10:06 AM)Johnnychimpo Wrote:  Imagine having a coach who is 4-1 in bowl games at one of the most difficult coaching jobs in America leave without offering him a $million reasons to stay.

It's not a difficult coaching job though.

Georgia State has the tools to be wildly successful, more than many G5's. They're in a sports city that if GSU catches the national spotlight, it'll kickstart an attendance bandwagon.

Then there's the fact they're in one of the hottest recruiting hubs in the country. You could recruit a competitive FBS roster without ever leaving Fulton County, even after the P4's have had their pickings.

That was a huge criticism of CSE. He seemed to ignore the Atlanta/Georgia high schools in favor of Carolina schools. It had gotten better with close to half the roster coming from instate but as you said you could fill a stacked roster without leaving the state.

(02-15-2024 12:14 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 10:06 AM)Johnnychimpo Wrote:  Imagine having a coach who is 4-1 in bowl games at one of the most difficult coaching jobs in America leave without offering him a $million reasons to stay.

It's not a difficult coaching job though.

Georgia State has the tools to be wildly successful, more than many G5's. They're in a sports city that if GSU catches the national spotlight, it'll kickstart an attendance bandwagon.

Then there's the fact they're in one of the hottest recruiting hubs in the country. You could recruit a competitive FBS roster without ever leaving Fulton County, even after the P4's have had their pickings.

Atlanta has a P5 team that doesn't sell it's tickets, an NFL team, and all of these are second to the Dawgs.

They do need to find someone that can get the Atlanta kids, though.