Will Bryan Harsin return to Boise State? Makes sense.

https://theathletic.com/5056764/2023/11/...ed_article

How much fun is "SEC Shorts" going to have with aTm and MissSU.

(11-13-2023 02:45 PM)unalions Wrote:  Will Bryan Harsin return to Boise State? Makes sense.

https://theathletic.com/5056764/2023/11/...ed_article

Don't sleep on Vigen at Montana State. Was assistant at Wyoming. Comes from that < redacted > line of coaches from NDSU.

(11-13-2023 10:09 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 10:01 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 09:58 AM)JRsec Wrote:  There is more money available than solid coaching talent. Some mediocre coaches are going to be paid well to be, well, mediocre. And in 3 to 4 years it will be DeJa'Vu all over again as Yogi said.

I'm going to laugh if Mike Norvell gets poached from FSU.

All off season talk from FSU saying the Power 2 Money gaps is too wide. They need more money to compete at the highest level. Norvell brings them to the highest level and immediately leaves to the highest bidder.

When you become a head coach you get a copy of Eddie Murphy posing as Velvet Jones's book, "Be a Ho!" There aren't many star players who dream of returning to coach at their alma mater. They are all hired guns. Loyalty died with the coaches of the 50's and 60's who were gone by the mid 70's. Heck, even star players have very little loyalty and now with the portal and NIL there is virtually none.

The one star player that was loyal to his alma mater was Scott Frost and it ended terribly for him.

(11-13-2023 02:49 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 10:09 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 10:01 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 09:58 AM)JRsec Wrote:  There is more money available than solid coaching talent. Some mediocre coaches are going to be paid well to be, well, mediocre. And in 3 to 4 years it will be DeJa'Vu all over again as Yogi said.

I'm going to laugh if Mike Norvell gets poached from FSU.

All off season talk from FSU saying the Power 2 Money gaps is too wide. They need more money to compete at the highest level. Norvell brings them to the highest level and immediately leaves to the highest bidder.

When you become a head coach you get a copy of Eddie Murphy posing as Velvet Jones's book, "Be a Ho!" There aren't many star players who dream of returning to coach at their alma mater. They are all hired guns. Loyalty died with the coaches of the 50's and 60's who were gone by the mid 70's. Heck, even star players have very little loyalty and now with the portal and NIL there is virtually none.

The one star player that was loyal to his alma mater was Scott Frost and it ended terribly for him.

Miami and Mario Cristobal is still in play. 8 years remaining on his original contract.

(11-13-2023 02:53 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 02:49 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 10:09 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 10:01 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 09:58 AM)JRsec Wrote:  There is more money available than solid coaching talent. Some mediocre coaches are going to be paid well to be, well, mediocre. And in 3 to 4 years it will be DeJa'Vu all over again as Yogi said.

I'm going to laugh if Mike Norvell gets poached from FSU.

All off season talk from FSU saying the Power 2 Money gaps is too wide. They need more money to compete at the highest level. Norvell brings them to the highest level and immediately leaves to the highest bidder.

When you become a head coach you get a copy of Eddie Murphy posing as Velvet Jones's book, "Be a Ho!" There aren't many star players who dream of returning to coach at their alma mater. They are all hired guns. Loyalty died with the coaches of the 50's and 60's who were gone by the mid 70's. Heck, even star players have very little loyalty and now with the portal and NIL there is virtually none.

The one star player that was loyal to his alma mater was Scott Frost and it ended terribly for him.

Miami and Mario Cristobal is still in play. 8 years remaining on his original contract.

Good point, I had forgotten about him.

(11-13-2023 01:38 PM)IWantToTalkToRalphSampson Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 11:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 10:16 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Brady Hoke retiring from SDSU
https://footballscoop.com/news/sources-b...easons-end

It has been an extremely rough last six or so months for San Diego State.

Early in the summer, they were so full of themselves that they were sending "intent to intent to withdraw" letters to the MWC, thinking a bid to the PAC 12 and the P5 was in the pocket.

Now, SDS Pac 12 dreams went up in smoke, as did the PAC 12, and the team is 3-7 and their coach is on the way out.

Sheesh.

That's true, but, all that aside, they still have a brand new stadium and are located in one of the most desirable cities in the country. I wonder if Boise pulling the trigger on Avalos hastened this "retirement" at SDSU --- I don't know if they'll necessariily be competing for the same coaching candidates, but from an off the field/intangibles standpoint, and having no affiliation to either school, I would think a lot of coaches would probably prefer coaching/recruiting in SoCal over Boise.

I think most consider the SDSU job to have appeal. Hoke's "retirement" has nothing to do with Boise St's firing of their coach. He didn't get the job done.

(11-13-2023 03:21 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  I think most consider the SDSU job to have appeal. Hoke's "retirement" has nothing to do with Boise St's firing of their coach. He didn't get the job done.

It’s seems to be hard for a successful coach to return to a former job and have success there again. I know Petrino had trouble here.

Y’all won’t have a problem finding a good coach.

Ironically Bobby Petrino will be looking for a job with Jimbo getting fired at A&M. Bobby loves to throw the football and he could win at SDSU.

(11-13-2023 04:44 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 03:21 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  I think most consider the SDSU job to have appeal. Hoke's "retirement" has nothing to do with Boise St's firing of their coach. He didn't get the job done.

It’s seems to be hard for a successful coach to return to a former job and have success there again. I know Petrino had trouble here.

Y’all won’t have a problem finding a good coach.

Ironically Bobby Petrino will be looking for a job with Jimbo getting fired at A&M. Bobby loves to throw the football and he could win at SDSU.

Schiano?

(11-13-2023 12:10 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 11:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 10:16 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Brady Hoke retiring from SDSU
https://footballscoop.com/news/sources-b...easons-end

It has been an extremely rough last six or so months for San Diego State.

Early in the summer, they were so full of themselves that they were sending "intent to intent to withdraw" letters to the MWC, thinking a bid to the PAC 12 and the P5 was in the pocket.

Now, SDS Pac 12 dreams went up in smoke, as did the PAC 12, and the team is 3-7 and their coach is on the way out.

Sheesh.

SDSU was just collateral damage on the Pac 12 train wreck. It's tough to blame them for what happened, clearly Kliavkoff was whispering sweet nothings in their ears for a year and they were ready to ditch the old spouse with the beat up F150 for the new guy with the porsche. They aren't the first to fall for such shenanigans.

I just found it humorous that SDS seemed to have a smug attitude of entitlement and expectation about the PAC, not really ever having done anything to deserve a P-promotion, only to have it all blow up in their face. And now on top of that failure on the field and lots of empty seats in their new "Snapdragon" stadium.

Maybe since USF is struggling so bad misery loves company. I guess.

(11-13-2023 05:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 12:10 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 11:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 10:16 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Brady Hoke retiring from SDSU
https://footballscoop.com/news/sources-b...easons-end

It has been an extremely rough last six or so months for San Diego State.

Early in the summer, they were so full of themselves that they were sending "intent to intent to withdraw" letters to the MWC, thinking a bid to the PAC 12 and the P5 was in the pocket.

Now, SDS Pac 12 dreams went up in smoke, as did the PAC 12, and the team is 3-7 and their coach is on the way out.

Sheesh.

SDSU was just collateral damage on the Pac 12 train wreck. It's tough to blame them for what happened, clearly Kliavkoff was whispering sweet nothings in their ears for a year and they were ready to ditch the old spouse with the beat up F150 for the new guy with the porsche. They aren't the first to fall for such shenanigans.

I just found it humorous that SDS seemed to have a smug attitude of entitlement and expectation about the PAC, not really ever having done anything to deserve a P-promotion, only to have it all blow up in their face. And now on top of that failure on the field and lots of empty seats in their new "Snapdragon" stadium.

Maybe since USF is struggling so bad misery loves company. I guess.

USF has a much larger upside. West Coast football is something you may read about in the Monday morning paper if you still get one. I have nothing against SDS but for all the hype early they had a nothing burger of a season. Freson gets no hype but they had the better year.

I know many of your Bulls don't believe it, but again, location, location, location.

(11-13-2023 02:49 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 10:09 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 10:01 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 09:58 AM)JRsec Wrote:  There is more money available than solid coaching talent. Some mediocre coaches are going to be paid well to be, well, mediocre. And in 3 to 4 years it will be DeJa'Vu all over again as Yogi said.

I'm going to laugh if Mike Norvell gets poached from FSU.

All off season talk from FSU saying the Power 2 Money gaps is too wide. They need more money to compete at the highest level. Norvell brings them to the highest level and immediately leaves to the highest bidder.

When you become a head coach you get a copy of Eddie Murphy posing as Velvet Jones's book, "Be a Ho!" There aren't many star players who dream of returning to coach at their alma mater. They are all hired guns. Loyalty died with the coaches of the 50's and 60's who were gone by the mid 70's. Heck, even star players have very little loyalty and now with the portal and NIL there is virtually none.

The one star player that was loyal to his alma mater was Scott Frost and it ended terribly for him.

He got a $16 million buyout. How terrible.

More of these large buyouts are inevitable, because not everyone can win, at least not everyone can win at the level of expectation that schools and fan bases are shelling out $8 million a year and up for the coach have.

IIRC, we have about 15 schools paying that much or more for their coach. Not all of them can win their conference and/or make the CFP. Which is basically what I think a school thinks it is buying when it pays that much. Not even close to all of them.

Maybe with an expanded playoff, making the playoffs will itself be seen as enough of an achievement to keep the wolves at bay, but I doubt it.

(11-13-2023 05:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 12:10 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 11:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 10:16 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Brady Hoke retiring from SDSU
https://footballscoop.com/news/sources-b...easons-end

It has been an extremely rough last six or so months for San Diego State.

Early in the summer, they were so full of themselves that they were sending "intent to intent to withdraw" letters to the MWC, thinking a bid to the PAC 12 and the P5 was in the pocket.

Now, SDS Pac 12 dreams went up in smoke, as did the PAC 12, and the team is 3-7 and their coach is on the way out.

Sheesh.

SDSU was just collateral damage on the Pac 12 train wreck. It's tough to blame them for what happened, clearly Kliavkoff was whispering sweet nothings in their ears for a year and they were ready to ditch the old spouse with the beat up F150 for the new guy with the porsche. They aren't the first to fall for such shenanigans.

I just found it humorous that SDS seemed to have a smug attitude of entitlement and expectation about the PAC, not really ever having done anything to deserve a P-promotion, only to have it all blow up in their face. And now on top of that failure on the field and lots of empty seats in their new "Snapdragon" stadium.

Maybe since USF is struggling so bad misery loves company. I guess.

Because they were to be invited had the PAC not dissolved. That has been confirmed by quite a few people, including K.

This year was not expected to be a good one for football, but it has been worse than expected. Many SDSU supporters felt that Hoke's heart isn't really into coaching anymore. A coaching change is needed at this time. However, football has been strong over the last 14 years or so and BB is one of the top 4 programs in the west. The SD market is one of the biggest in the US without P4/5 representation.

The problem with superpower conferences are that you create a new bottom that includes schools that do NOT tolerate losing. It's going to be expensive and painful for 7-5/8-4 programs to get used to 4-8. Schools will have to give coaches TIME to build PROGRAMS.

Example: Fritz succeeded at Tulane because he was given TIME to figure out how to do things. It took 3-4 years before the bowl games came rolling in.

(11-13-2023 05:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 05:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 12:10 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 11:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 10:16 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Brady Hoke retiring from SDSU
https://footballscoop.com/news/sources-b...easons-end

It has been an extremely rough last six or so months for San Diego State.

Early in the summer, they were so full of themselves that they were sending "intent to intent to withdraw" letters to the MWC, thinking a bid to the PAC 12 and the P5 was in the pocket.

Now, SDS Pac 12 dreams went up in smoke, as did the PAC 12, and the team is 3-7 and their coach is on the way out.

Sheesh.

SDSU was just collateral damage on the Pac 12 train wreck. It's tough to blame them for what happened, clearly Kliavkoff was whispering sweet nothings in their ears for a year and they were ready to ditch the old spouse with the beat up F150 for the new guy with the porsche. They aren't the first to fall for such shenanigans.

I just found it humorous that SDS seemed to have a smug attitude of entitlement and expectation about the PAC, not really ever having done anything to deserve a P-promotion, only to have it all blow up in their face. And now on top of that failure on the field and lots of empty seats in their new "Snapdragon" stadium.

Maybe since USF is struggling so bad misery loves company. I guess.

USF has a much larger upside. West Coast football is something you may read about in the Monday morning paper if you still get one. I have nothing against SDS but for all the hype early they had a nothing burger of a season. Freson gets no hype but they had the better year.

I know many of your Bulls don't believe it, but again, location, location, location.

USF? West Coast football?

The Dons dropped big time football in 1951 after turning down an invitation to the Orange Bowl.




...oh, you're talking about S FLA

(11-13-2023 10:01 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I'm going to laugh if Mike Norvell gets poached from FSU.

All off season talk from FSU saying the Power 2 Money Gap is too wide. They need more money to compete at the highest level. Norvell brings them to the highest level and immediately leaves to the highest bidder.

That would be karmic, but Jimbo leaving was a bit more complex than just the money.

People assume the extra SEC/Big Ten money is going to coaching salaries etc, but it's being spread out all over the place, and each school is unique in the way they blow it across campus. For instance, TAMU is paying Jimbo and his hombres to the tune of $76m and some change. They've evaporated their media income difference over any ACC or Big XII program for over two years by firing him. It's comical.

(11-13-2023 10:29 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 10:26 AM)ken d Wrote:  I wonder if Jimbo Fisher has called any of these schools yet.

Why Ken D? His biggest issue is tax sheltering that much money. He has to be in 37% bracket, or higher if the state is added. Plus, Sexton will make his percentage no matter what. If I was Jimbo, I would ask A&M to spread it all out a bit more with a clause that if he dies before they are through paying the remainder goes to his heirs.

I wonder how much Sarkisian will make off with from Texas when the 'Horns finally decide he's not cut out for the SEC. Nick Saban, Mr. Longhorn is on the phone,...again.

UCLA Fans are calling for Chip Kelly to be fired, and if they lose to USC, I suspect that'll happen.

(11-13-2023 11:41 AM)Gopper Wrote:  Jimbo will get picked up by next season as a HC

Nah, with his buyout I think he goes to TV or something for at least a season or two until the right job opens up for him. He’s 58 and just got fired, whatever job he gets next has to be a hit or he’ll never be a major college head coach again. He seems like the kind of guy who won’t be content doing nothing, but also won’t settle for anything less than what he thinks he deserves.

I could see David Braun being promoted from interim to full head coach at Northwestern if he makes a bowl, going 5-5 there so far is a huge accomplishment with everything going on in Evanston.

(11-13-2023 06:10 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  More of these large buyouts are inevitable, because not everyone can win, at least not everyone can win at the level of expectation that schools and fan bases are shelling out $8 million a year and up for the coach have.

IIRC, we have about 15 schools paying that much or more for their coach. Not all of them can win their conference and/or make the CFP. Which is basically what I think a school thinks it is buying when it pays that much. Not even close to all of them.

Maybe with an expanded playoff, making the playoffs will itself be seen as enough of an achievement to keep the wolves at bay, but I doubt it.

Yeah, there are enough schools that draw 80K or more to their games with full trophy cases from their past that have unrealistic expectations of their program but think that one coach can come in to bring them back to the glory days. That just isn’t reality to your point, but no AD for a program like that can be content with a decent but unspectacular coach or else their job can be put in jeopardy. A fan base like A&M isn’t going to be satisfied with a coach averaging 8-4 and an average bowl, they want action even if it risks turning theminto the next Nebraska.