(11-13-2023 10:16 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Brady Hoke retiring from SDSU
https://footballscoop.com/news/sources-b...easons-end

It has been an extremely rough last six or so months for San Diego State.

Early in the summer, they were so full of themselves that they were sending "intent to intent to withdraw" letters to the MWC, thinking a bid to the PAC 12 and the P5 was in the pocket.

Now, SDS Pac 12 dreams went up in smoke, as did the PAC 12, and the team is 3-7 and their coach is on the way out.

Sheesh.

(11-13-2023 11:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 10:16 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Brady Hoke retiring from SDSU
https://footballscoop.com/news/sources-b...easons-end

It has been an extremely rough last six or so months for San Diego State.

Early in the summer, they were so full of themselves that they were sending "intent to intent to withdraw" letters to the MWC, thinking a bid to the PAC 12 and the P5 was in the pocket.

Now, SDS Pac 12 dreams went up in smoke, as did the PAC 12, and the team is 3-7 and their coach is on the way out.

Sheesh.

SDSU was just collateral damage on the Pac 12 train wreck. It's tough to blame them for what happened, clearly Kliavkoff was whispering sweet nothings in their ears for a year and they were ready to ditch the old spouse with the beat up F150 for the new guy with the porsche. They aren't the first to fall for such shenanigans.

(11-13-2023 10:34 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 10:29 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 10:26 AM)ken d Wrote:  I wonder if Jimbo Fisher has called any of these schools yet.

Why Ken D? His biggest issue is tax sheltering that much money. He has to be in 37% bracket, or higher if the state is added. Plus, Sexton will make his percentage no matter what. If I was Jimbo, I would ask A&M to spread it all out a bit more with a clause that if he dies before they are through paying the remainder goes to his heirs.

Yeah, that tax thing is a tough break for Jimbo. I feel sorry for him. (We really need a sarcasm font here)

I lurk a board that uses purple font for that.

Jimbo will get $19 million off the bat then $7 million a year for the next 7-8 years not to coach. I don't see anyone matching that or buying that out so he can coach.

(11-13-2023 11:41 AM)Gopper Wrote:  Jimbo will get picked up by next season as a HC

Well he doesn't need a paycheck.
Would he coach for the love of the game?
Housing is affordable in Grand Forks, ND, good schools.


C'mon ... let a guy dream.

Will Miss State re-hire Mullen? Pull Beamer from SC? A good list of available coaches here.

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/mi...84212/Amp/

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(11-13-2023 12:10 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 11:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 10:16 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Brady Hoke retiring from SDSU
https://footballscoop.com/news/sources-b...easons-end

It has been an extremely rough last six or so months for San Diego State.

Early in the summer, they were so full of themselves that they were sending "intent to intent to withdraw" letters to the MWC, thinking a bid to the PAC 12 and the P5 was in the pocket.

Now, SDS Pac 12 dreams went up in smoke, as did the PAC 12, and the team is 3-7 and their coach is on the way out.

Sheesh.

SDSU was just collateral damage on the Pac 12 train wreck. It's tough to blame them for what happened, clearly Kliavkoff was whispering sweet nothings in their ears for a year and they were ready to ditch the old spouse with the beat up F150 for the new guy with the porsche. They aren't the first to fall for such shenanigans.

I know I was probably in the minority, but when SMU got the nod for the ACC, I really thought SDSU would be the best pickup with Cal and Stanford to get to 18. Guess the problem was it made 19 in basketball.

(11-13-2023 12:37 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Jimbo will get $19 million off the bat then $7 million a year for the next 7-8 years not to coach. I don't see anyone matching that or buying that out so he can coach.

Jimbo's money is guaranteed. If he gets another job, A&M still has to pay the full amount.

(11-13-2023 01:00 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 12:37 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Jimbo will get $19 million off the bat then $7 million a year for the next 7-8 years not to coach. I don't see anyone matching that or buying that out so he can coach.

Jimbo's money is guaranteed. If he gets another job, A&M still has to pay the full amount.

Honestly with that kind of bank, why would anyone go back to coaching?

(11-13-2023 01:08 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 01:00 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 12:37 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Jimbo will get $19 million off the bat then $7 million a year for the next 7-8 years not to coach. I don't see anyone matching that or buying that out so he can coach.

Jimbo's money is guaranteed. If he gets another job, A&M still has to pay the full amount.

Honestly with that kind of bank, why would anyone go back to coaching?

Ego

(11-13-2023 01:09 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 01:08 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 01:00 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 12:37 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Jimbo will get $19 million off the bat then $7 million a year for the next 7-8 years not to coach. I don't see anyone matching that or buying that out so he can coach.

Jimbo's money is guaranteed. If he gets another job, A&M still has to pay the full amount.

Honestly with that kind of bank, why would anyone go back to coaching?

Ego

Yup: a big ol' toss the bird moment to aTm should he win elsewhere.

(11-13-2023 10:29 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 10:26 AM)ken d Wrote:  I wonder if Jimbo Fisher has called any of these schools yet.

Why Ken D? His biggest issue is tax sheltering that much money. He has to be in 37% bracket, or higher if the state is added. Plus, Sexton will make his percentage no matter what. If I was Jimbo, I would ask A&M to spread it all out a bit more with a clause that if he dies before they are through paying the remainder goes to his heirs.

I know Jimbo got A&M to inexplicably agree that any coaching income he gets from future jobs doesn't count as a set-off from his gargantuan buyout, so maybe he could finagle a deal where he "donates" his services to one of these schools and uses his A&M salary as a basis for the value of what he provides (LOL), and then he can claim a multi-million dollar annual in-kind charitable deduction to lower his tax bill? Not that all the new IRS agents wouldn't be on him like flies on you know what, but seems like it could be a shrewd Sexton tax dodge strategy.

(11-13-2023 11:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 10:16 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Brady Hoke retiring from SDSU
https://footballscoop.com/news/sources-b...easons-end

It has been an extremely rough last six or so months for San Diego State.

Early in the summer, they were so full of themselves that they were sending "intent to intent to withdraw" letters to the MWC, thinking a bid to the PAC 12 and the P5 was in the pocket.

Now, SDS Pac 12 dreams went up in smoke, as did the PAC 12, and the team is 3-7 and their coach is on the way out.

Sheesh.

That's true, but, all that aside, they still have a brand new stadium and are located in one of the most desirable cities in the country. I wonder if Boise pulling the trigger on Avalos hastened this "retirement" at SDSU --- I don't know if they'll necessariily be competing for the same coaching candidates, but from an off the field/intangibles standpoint, and having no affiliation to either school, I would think a lot of coaches would probably prefer coaching/recruiting in SoCal over Boise.

I also wouldn't underestimate the Deion-effect with schools hiring new head coaches (hiring a brand name with little-to-no coaching experience) - and, no, I wouldn't count Trent Dilfer at UAB as being an example either.

Miami was interested in Ed Reed a few seasons ago. If Michigan moves on from Harbaugh, could Charles Woodson be in play? How about Marshall Faulk with the Aztecs and their brand new facility?

(11-13-2023 12:47 PM)unalions Wrote:  Will Miss State re-hire Mullen? Pull Beamer from SC? A good list of available coaches here.

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/mi...84212/Amp/

Ms St isn’t stealing USC’s coach unless USC doesn’t want him. They’re last in the SEC in resources, middle of the pack in terms of expectations, and they can only give out a 4 year contract by state law. It’s the epitome of a stepping stone school, but I’d rather be a hero at Duke or Kansas with a 7 yr deal and 7 wins a year than constantly have my job under threat with those same 7 wins but only a 4 yr contract at Ms St.

(11-13-2023 02:09 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 12:47 PM)unalions Wrote:  Will Miss State re-hire Mullen? Pull Beamer from SC? A good list of available coaches here.

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/mi...84212/Amp/

Ms St isn’t stealing USC’s coach unless USC doesn’t want him. They’re last in the SEC in resources, middle of the pack in terms of expectations, and they can only give out a 4 year contract by state law. It’s the epitome of a stepping stone school, but I’d rather be a hero at Duke or Kansas with a 7 yr deal and 7 wins a year than constantly have my job under threat with those same 7 wins but only a 4 yr contract at Ms St.

100% agree on Beamer, even if is his wife is a Starkville native. With respect to the 4 year state limit on contracts, didn't Ole Miss sign Kiffin to a 6 year extension with annual rollover provisions by running the deal through a private foundation? I'm not familiar with the booster organization(s) at MSU but it seems like they ought to be able to do something similar since "they 'sposed to be SEC" too, right?

(11-13-2023 09:36 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  https://247sports.com/article/2023-24-co...219342384/

Head Coaching Seats Available:
Texas A&M
Michigan State
Northwestern
Mississippi State
Boise State
San Diego State

Adding Stony Brook: FCS but being built up for an upgrade at some point.

https://stonybrookathletics.com/news/202...coach.aspx

(11-13-2023 02:21 PM)IWantToTalkToRalphSampson Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 02:09 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 12:47 PM)unalions Wrote:  Will Miss State re-hire Mullen? Pull Beamer from SC? A good list of available coaches here.

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/mi...84212/Amp/

Ms St isn’t stealing USC’s coach unless USC doesn’t want him. They’re last in the SEC in resources, middle of the pack in terms of expectations, and they can only give out a 4 year contract by state law. It’s the epitome of a stepping stone school, but I’d rather be a hero at Duke or Kansas with a 7 yr deal and 7 wins a year than constantly have my job under threat with those same 7 wins but only a 4 yr contract at Ms St.

100% agree on Beamer, even if is his wife is a Starkville native. With respect to the 4 year state limit on contracts, didn't Ole Miss sign Kiffin to a 6 year extension with annual rollover provisions by running the deal through a private foundation? I'm not familiar with the booster organization(s) at MSU but it seems like they ought to be able to do something similar since "they 'sposed to be SEC" too, right?

I've seen conflicting information:

https://cdispatch.com/sports/here-are-th...-ole-miss/

- 4 year deal

- Dellinger says it's 6-8 years, but nobody else said that, and only the details from the first 4 years have been announced.

https://www.clarionledger.com/story/spor...795792007/

The Clarion Ledger has obtained the official term sheet for Kiffin's new state contract, which went into effect on Jan. 1 and runs through Dec. 31, 2026.

Under Mississippi state law, state universities cannot offer contracts to their employees that are longer than four years. Sports Illustrated's Ross Dellenger reported in November that Kiffin's new contract would be for "at least" eight years, with Ole Miss running the deal through its athletic foundation to work around the law. The details of that arrangement were not provided in the term sheet, nor was there any information provided about Kiffin's buyout.

So, conflicting information. It's reasonable to expect that an SEC school would find a way to get around a little thing like a State Law. However, it's also reasonable to expect that Ole' Miss would find it much easier to get out of an "unofficial" deal worked out through their foundation if/when they decided to move on from a coach. How do you value that as a coach, when/if your contract is actually with the foundation instead of the school? I'd probably value it a bit less, but perhaps not too much less, it's just like NIL but for coaches, right?

2022: Nebraska plays North Dakota. Nebraska in-season fires head coach.
2023: Boise State plays North Dakota. Boise State in-season fires head coach.

Looking at 2024 schedule now ... um, dear Iowa State ...