(10-05-2023 03:46 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(10-05-2023 12:29 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(10-05-2023 04:19 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(10-05-2023 02:46 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 11:12 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  lol

I think that will come down to the NC university system decision-makers.

I don't think anyone liked what they saw happen with Cal and UCLA.

And the SEC won't have the "1 state, 1 school" excuse this time, if they take FSU and Clemson, since Florida and SC are already in the SEC.

But all that said, I'm just following the question of this thread.

I think the SEC should add: FSU, Clemson, NC, and Louisville.

It fills out their east side, while leaving the ACC options for viability. (which, I would think, is an espn preference)

But anyway, this thread is about what is likely to happen, not what I think should happen...

The NC University decision makers? Why didn’t that work for Ok St or Texas Tech? No offense to North Carolina, but OU and Texas are much bigger Brands. If they couldn’t force us to take little brother then UNC definitely can’t. The B1G would beg off bc nc st isn’t AAU, and the SEC certainly doesn’t want a small brand that the B1G was looking for an excuse to exclude.

a.) circumstances are different. As I noted, Florida and SC are already in the SEC.

b.) Not every college system is the same. And from what I've been reading, this might well make a difference. It may not, but there does seem to be some issues that would need addressing for NC, which is different than, Texas, for example,

There are plenty of issues that need addressing in North Carolina, and those issues are similar but slightly different in North Carolina than in Texas, Arizona, California or Oklahoma. However, those issues are not the P2's problem; they are UNC's problem. Either UNC works out this "problem", like Cal, OK St, A&M and Texas did, or they have no choice but to remain in the ACC.

As an aside, I think that it's been GREAT for State of Texas football that we split up the SWC, then later split up the Big 12. By all accounts, the Big 12 is a stronger conference (even the new new Big 12) than the old SWC was, as is the ACC. The SEC is probably the strongest Conference in the history of Conferences. And out of the 8 Texas schools in the final version of the SWC, we have:

SEC: 2 teams
Big 12: 4 teams
ACC: 1 team
AAC: 1 team

North Carolina has too much in just the ACC and no schools anywhere else. If they get UNC into either of the P2, then perhaps Duke and NC St stay together or even those 2 then split up, maybe then one or 2 of the up and comers in North Carolina get to move up? It's not an easy process, and it's taken most of the Texas schools a long time to find good homes, but I think it's quite possible, even probable, that something similar would happen in North Carolina. A Renaissance in football, if you will. Or, the politicians can screw it all up and keep UNC tethered to little brother forever and see what that does for the various schools in North Carolina.

You are soooo pro-Texas, that I have to say that reading your posts just sometimes brings a smile. lol

It's fun to see someone so enjoy something : )

The thought that I immediately had upon reading your post, though, was that you've kinda just described the SEC.

If it continues to expand, it runs the exact same risk that the top schools could leave and start or join a new conference.

There are a lot of egos in the SEC. (just as in many conferences) - so I could see the SEC decide to PAC itself under the right (wrong) circumstances.

Likely? probably not in the near future. But possible? yes.

And yes, something similar could happen to the Big10 as well.

For a conference to survive, the "disruptive" influence needs to be extracted. Among other things, the money involved has just raised the stakes too high for the past nonsense to fly any more.

You argument about the Big12 makes more sense when adding in that once Nebraska, Texas, Oklahoma (and others) left, there was much less of an issue of warring factions, and Texas dominating discussions. Or in other words - the "disruptive" influence had been removed.

The new Big12 is likely to be a lot more stable (granted the 4Cs and Kansas will always be interested in a Big10 invite, but Kansas has waited this long...)

On the other hand, the disruptive influences just broke the PAC to pieces.

So in the case of the ACC - if FSU, Clemson, and NC leave, things are likely to be less disruptive. (Though the Stanford and Cal situation raises eyebrows - shades of PAC disruption)

But if the ACC doesn't let them leave, it could very well PAC itself. The M7 was just a shot across the bow...

We all live contract to contract and birth to death. If the zeitgeist is Super 2 you roll with it instead of kicking against the goads. If 15 years from now it is more compact brand strong regional opponents, that's what will happen. The colleges are dancers, the one passing out the money is the piper. We dance to whatever tune suits them. Under the NCAA where they pocketed the money it wasn't so obvious. Without paying the middleman promoter (NCAA) the carrots are bigger and the Pavlovian response to them predictable.

(10-05-2023 04:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-05-2023 03:46 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(10-05-2023 12:29 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(10-05-2023 04:19 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(10-05-2023 02:46 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  The NC University decision makers? Why didn’t that work for Ok St or Texas Tech? No offense to North Carolina, but OU and Texas are much bigger Brands. If they couldn’t force us to take little brother then UNC definitely can’t. The B1G would beg off bc nc st isn’t AAU, and the SEC certainly doesn’t want a small brand that the B1G was looking for an excuse to exclude.

a.) circumstances are different. As I noted, Florida and SC are already in the SEC.

b.) Not every college system is the same. And from what I've been reading, this might well make a difference. It may not, but there does seem to be some issues that would need addressing for NC, which is different than, Texas, for example,

There are plenty of issues that need addressing in North Carolina, and those issues are similar but slightly different in North Carolina than in Texas, Arizona, California or Oklahoma. However, those issues are not the P2's problem; they are UNC's problem. Either UNC works out this "problem", like Cal, OK St, A&M and Texas did, or they have no choice but to remain in the ACC.

As an aside, I think that it's been GREAT for State of Texas football that we split up the SWC, then later split up the Big 12. By all accounts, the Big 12 is a stronger conference (even the new new Big 12) than the old SWC was, as is the ACC. The SEC is probably the strongest Conference in the history of Conferences. And out of the 8 Texas schools in the final version of the SWC, we have:

SEC: 2 teams
Big 12: 4 teams
ACC: 1 team
AAC: 1 team

North Carolina has too much in just the ACC and no schools anywhere else. If they get UNC into either of the P2, then perhaps Duke and NC St stay together or even those 2 then split up, maybe then one or 2 of the up and comers in North Carolina get to move up? It's not an easy process, and it's taken most of the Texas schools a long time to find good homes, but I think it's quite possible, even probable, that something similar would happen in North Carolina. A Renaissance in football, if you will. Or, the politicians can screw it all up and keep UNC tethered to little brother forever and see what that does for the various schools in North Carolina.

You are soooo pro-Texas, that I have to say that reading your posts just sometimes brings a smile. lol

It's fun to see someone so enjoy something : )

The thought that I immediately had upon reading your post, though, was that you've kinda just described the SEC.

If it continues to expand, it runs the exact same risk that the top schools could leave and start or join a new conference.

There are a lot of egos in the SEC. (just as in many conferences) - so I could see the SEC decide to PAC itself under the right (wrong) circumstances.

Likely? probably not in the near future. But possible? yes.

And yes, something similar could happen to the Big10 as well.

For a conference to survive, the "disruptive" influence needs to be extracted. Among other things, the money involved has just raised the stakes too high for the past nonsense to fly any more.

You argument about the Big12 makes more sense when adding in that once Nebraska, Texas, Oklahoma (and others) left, there was much less of an issue of warring factions, and Texas dominating discussions. Or in other words - the "disruptive" influence had been removed.

The new Big12 is likely to be a lot more stable (granted the 4Cs and Kansas will always be interested in a Big10 invite, but Kansas has waited this long...)

On the other hand, the disruptive influences just broke the PAC to pieces.

So in the case of the ACC - if FSU, Clemson, and NC leave, things are likely to be less disruptive. (Though the Stanford and Cal situation raises eyebrows - shades of PAC disruption)

But if the ACC doesn't let them leave, it could very well PAC itself. The M7 was just a shot across the bow...

We all live contract to contract and birth to death. If the zeitgeist is Super 2 you roll with it instead of kicking against the goads. If 15 years from now it is more compact brand strong regional opponents, that's what will happen. The colleges are dancers, the one passing out the money is the piper. We dance to whatever tune suits them. Under the NCAA where they pocketed the money it wasn't so obvious. Without paying the middleman promoter (NCAA) the carrots are bigger and the Pavlovian response to them predictable.

No argument here.

Though once things hit the half a billion range (and now, the billion range), those nosebleed numbers are really affecting things.

When wannabe fbs schools are shrugging off a $5M requirement, you know things have changed.

The PAC showed us pretty clearly what happens to the various haves and have-nots.

And so, if the top 8 or so SEC schools decided that more money could be made by starting a new conference, I don't think they'd blink before they left.

Same for the ACC - hence the M7.

The University of Kansas

(10-05-2023 04:11 PM)Rockchalkchihawk Wrote:  The University of Kansas

Would be a smart play.