(06-18-2023 05:09 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  Would anyone really *not* want ECU if they were interested?

We are good where we are. They are not needed.

(06-18-2023 05:09 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  Would anyone really *not* want ECU if they were interested?

Personally I’m not a fan of moving past 14 unless the national landscape dictates we should go to 16. Right now we have 14 teams competing for a single auto bid in basketball. I want to see South Alabama in the postseason more frequently, not less. If we have a culling of DI and we get more than one auto bid then maybe my preference changes.

If we did go past 14 teams then I would want schools that want to be here. Not schools immediately looking for an exit to a “better conference.” Which type of school would ECU be?

(06-18-2023 07:24 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 05:09 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  Would anyone really *not* want ECU if they were interested?

Personally I’m not a fan of moving past 14 unless the national landscape dictates we should go to 16. Right now we have 14 teams competing for a single auto bid in basketball. I want to see South Alabama in the postseason more frequently, not less. If we have a culling of DI and we get more than one auto bid then maybe my preference changes.

If we did go past 14 teams then I would want schools that want to be here. Not schools immediately looking for an exit to a “better conference.” Which type of school would ECU be?

14 is perfect for football: round robin in your division, and you play everybody on the other side every 4 years (plus one of them twice). That’s a real conference. This nonsense where you go 7 or more years between games with somebody is just a long-term scheduling alliance for the sake of chasing money. Until there’s enough money to chase to justify mucking things up, leave it be.

(06-18-2023 10:43 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 07:24 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 05:09 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  Would anyone really *not* want ECU if they were interested?

Personally I’m not a fan of moving past 14 unless the national landscape dictates we should go to 16. Right now we have 14 teams competing for a single auto bid in basketball. I want to see South Alabama in the postseason more frequently, not less. If we have a culling of DI and we get more than one auto bid then maybe my preference changes.

If we did go past 14 teams then I would want schools that want to be here. Not schools immediately looking for an exit to a “better conference.” Which type of school would ECU be?

14 is perfect for football: round robin in your division, and you play everybody on the other side every 4 years (plus one of them twice). That’s a real conference. This nonsense where you go 7 or more years between games with somebody is just a long-term scheduling alliance for the sake of chasing money. Until there’s enough money to chase to justify mucking things up, leave it be.

12 is probably still best overall but in our circumstances 14 is best. At 16 you’re borderline almost 2 conferences sharing 1 name unless you move to 9 games and do the 3+6+6 scheduling format.

(06-17-2023 09:53 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:19 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  SDSU and Boise to the PAC

El Paso and NMSU to the MWC

SMU and Memphis to the Big 12

Texas State and Liberty to the AAC

ECU to the Sun Belt

WKU and MT to the MAC

CUSA crumbles

Love how some of y’all are eager to “ship us off,” but please . . . Don’t link us with Liberty. Ever.

I get the “spirit” of your post, even if in reality it’s probably misplaced.

At present, in The SBC, we are The Western outlier. And we’re well aware of how some of y’all just hate the thought of coming West.

We do have some fans that wouldn’t mind being part of The MWC. Personally, I just see that as Us being an Eastern outlier with an unpleasant time zone thingy goin’ on.

So, if we were to make a move, The AAC (aka: CUSA 5.0) appears to make the most sense for us from a regional perspective.

But unless we have a round of realignment with “lots of moving parts,” I just don’t see it happening. Which is fine, as we’re not dissatisfied with where we are. That said, we also don’t deny that we wouldn’t mind having another TX team (or 2) in the Belt to alleviate that “outlier” feeling.

In fact, were The Belt to add another TX team or two, it would make it The Perfect G5 Conference.

From a Herd perspective, it's not personal, we just have flashbacks of being scared of the year we have to bo out and play UTEP..

(06-17-2023 06:51 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  I don’t get the UNT distain for TXST. IMHO, both schools have much more in common than not. Both started out as Teachers’ Colleges. I don’t have enrollment numbers in front of me, but I’d guess we’re both of similar size.
Both have pretty nice facilities. Both have a great downtown square, good music scenes. I am shocked that a school of UNT’s size still has no baseball program; but other than that, I think that a pretty good rivalry could develop between the two given the chance.

Galavanting around TX for our vacation this summer, I'll let ya know :)

(06-19-2023 12:02 AM)Herdfan1 Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 09:53 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:19 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  SDSU and Boise to the PAC

El Paso and NMSU to the MWC

SMU and Memphis to the Big 12

Texas State and Liberty to the AAC

ECU to the Sun Belt

WKU and MT to the MAC

CUSA crumbles

Love how some of y’all are eager to “ship us off,” but please . . . Don’t link us with Liberty. Ever.

I get the “spirit” of your post, even if in reality it’s probably misplaced.

At present, in The SBC, we are The Western outlier. And we’re well aware of how some of y’all just hate the thought of coming West.

We do have some fans that wouldn’t mind being part of The MWC. Personally, I just see that as Us being an Eastern outlier with an unpleasant time zone thingy goin’ on.

So, if we were to make a move, The AAC (aka: CUSA 5.0) appears to make the most sense for us from a regional perspective.

But unless we have a round of realignment with “lots of moving parts,” I just don’t see it happening. Which is fine, as we’re not dissatisfied with where we are. That said, we also don’t deny that we wouldn’t mind having another TX team (or 2) in the Belt to alleviate that “outlier” feeling.

In fact, were The Belt to add another TX team or two, it would make it The Perfect G5 Conference.

From a Herd perspective, it's not personal, we just have flashbacks of being scared of the year we have to bo out and play UTEP..

Everything in conference is not about what is good for the Eastern Division. The constant complaints about Texas State; the pimping for ECU; all of the whining from the East about not having a bus league; all those and similar complaints are getting old.
I know it is not all of you, but it is enough for it to be annoying.

(06-18-2023 05:41 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 05:09 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  Would anyone really *not* want ECU if they were interested?

I, and I believe also GreenBison, would be perfectly content to just watch them fill out our OOC schedules as a struggling Independent.

I’d like to see them begging for a lifeline the way they did CUSA 1.0 in 1997 for a football only spot. They completely turned their backs on us after leaving CUSA 2.0. So much for a long term rival.

(06-17-2023 09:53 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:19 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  SDSU and Boise to the PAC

El Paso and NMSU to the MWC

SMU and Memphis to the Big 12

Texas State and Liberty to the AAC

ECU to the Sun Belt

WKU and MT to the MAC

CUSA crumbles

Love how some of y’all are eager to “ship us off,” but please . . . Don’t link us with Liberty. Ever.

I get the “spirit” of your post, even if in reality it’s probably misplaced.

At present, in The SBC, we are The Western outlier. And we’re well aware of how some of y’all just hate the thought of coming West.

We do have some fans that wouldn’t mind being part of The MWC. Personally, I just see that as Us being an Eastern outlier with an unpleasant time zone thingy goin’ on.

So, if we were to make a move, The AAC (aka: CUSA 5.0) appears to make the most sense for us from a regional perspective.

But unless we have a round of realignment with “lots of moving parts,” I just don’t see it happening. Which is fine, as we’re not dissatisfied with where we are. That said, we also don’t deny that we wouldn’t mind having another TX team (or 2) in the Belt to alleviate that “outlier” feeling.

In fact, were The Belt to add another TX team or two, it would make it The Perfect G5 Conference.

Not eager to ship you off. Not linking you with Liberty.

I was more going off of who would the AAC want to replace SMU and Memphis with that would say yes. Do you think the TXST admin would turn down an invite to a slightly higher-rated conference full of Texas teams? I like having TXST in the Sun Belt but I have to imagine that’s a great situation for y’all.

Liberty would fit in with the private school money of the AAC. They would no doubt say yes to an invite and they bridge the geography for Temple. That’s all.

(06-19-2023 06:53 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 09:53 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:19 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  SDSU and Boise to the PAC

El Paso and NMSU to the MWC

SMU and Memphis to the Big 12

Texas State and Liberty to the AAC

ECU to the Sun Belt

WKU and MT to the MAC

CUSA crumbles

Love how some of y’all are eager to “ship us off,” but please . . . Don’t link us with Liberty. Ever.

I get the “spirit” of your post, even if in reality it’s probably misplaced.

At present, in The SBC, we are The Western outlier. And we’re well aware of how some of y’all just hate the thought of coming West.

We do have some fans that wouldn’t mind being part of The MWC. Personally, I just see that as Us being an Eastern outlier with an unpleasant time zone thingy goin’ on.

So, if we were to make a move, The AAC (aka: CUSA 5.0) appears to make the most sense for us from a regional perspective.

But unless we have a round of realignment with “lots of moving parts,” I just don’t see it happening. Which is fine, as we’re not dissatisfied with where we are. That said, we also don’t deny that we wouldn’t mind having another TX team (or 2) in the Belt to alleviate that “outlier” feeling.

In fact, were The Belt to add another TX team or two, it would make it The Perfect G5 Conference.

Not eager to ship you off. Not linking you with Liberty.

I was more going off of who would the AAC want to replace SMU and Memphis with that would say yes. Do you think the TXST admin would turn down an invite to a slightly higher-rated conference full of Texas teams? I like having TXST in the Sun Belt but I have to imagine that’s a great situation for y’all.

Liberty would fit in with the private school money of the AAC. They would no doubt say yes to an invite and they bridge the geography for Temple. That’s all.

Interesting question . . …. with more than one way to look/answer:

I think that overall, we’re happy to be in The Belt. Add at least one other TX team, and we feel a little less isolated. I mean, you look at the East side of the conference, and see how happy everyone is to have conference mates nearby, can you blame us for wanting a similar situation?

As to the other question of a “potential invite” to a perceived higher rated conference with other TX teams, I have to believe that our Admin. would say Yes to any such offer. I think the last time a school turned down a perceived “conference step up” would be the first time.

In any event, it’s all just so much speculation, and while fun to contemplate, doesn’t really change anything.

Hope everyone enjoys the off season. FB can’t get here fast enough.

(06-18-2023 05:41 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 05:09 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  Would anyone really *not* want ECU if they were interested?

I, and I believe also GreenBison, would be perfectly content to just watch them fill out our OOC schedules as a struggling Independent.

Add this herd fan to that list. I don't hate ECU but they always feel they are better than where they are. Not a reliable conference mate and they are no bigger a brand than Southern Miss or Marshall.

(06-19-2023 06:35 AM)Vobserver Wrote:  

(06-19-2023 12:02 AM)Herdfan1 Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 09:53 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:19 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  SDSU and Boise to the PAC

El Paso and NMSU to the MWC

SMU and Memphis to the Big 12

Texas State and Liberty to the AAC

ECU to the Sun Belt

WKU and MT to the MAC

CUSA crumbles

Love how some of y’all are eager to “ship us off,” but please . . . Don’t link us with Liberty. Ever.

I get the “spirit” of your post, even if in reality it’s probably misplaced.

At present, in The SBC, we are The Western outlier. And we’re well aware of how some of y’all just hate the thought of coming West.

We do have some fans that wouldn’t mind being part of The MWC. Personally, I just see that as Us being an Eastern outlier with an unpleasant time zone thingy goin’ on.

So, if we were to make a move, The AAC (aka: CUSA 5.0) appears to make the most sense for us from a regional perspective.

But unless we have a round of realignment with “lots of moving parts,” I just don’t see it happening. Which is fine, as we’re not dissatisfied with where we are. That said, we also don’t deny that we wouldn’t mind having another TX team (or 2) in the Belt to alleviate that “outlier” feeling.

In fact, were The Belt to add another TX team or two, it would make it The Perfect G5 Conference.

From a Herd perspective, it's not personal, we just have flashbacks of being scared of the year we have to bo out and play UTEP..

Everything in conference is not about what is good for the Eastern Division. The constant complaints about Texas State; the pimping for ECU; all of the whining from the East about not having a bus league; all those and similar complaints are getting old.
I know it is not all of you, but it is enough for it to be annoying.

The eastern division geography is perfect. Nobody is complaining about travel anymore.

(06-19-2023 09:03 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(06-19-2023 06:35 AM)Vobserver Wrote:  

(06-19-2023 12:02 AM)Herdfan1 Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 09:53 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:19 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  SDSU and Boise to the PAC

El Paso and NMSU to the MWC

SMU and Memphis to the Big 12

Texas State and Liberty to the AAC

ECU to the Sun Belt

WKU and MT to the MAC

CUSA crumbles

Love how some of y’all are eager to “ship us off,” but please . . . Don’t link us with Liberty. Ever.

I get the “spirit” of your post, even if in reality it’s probably misplaced.

At present, in The SBC, we are The Western outlier. And we’re well aware of how some of y’all just hate the thought of coming West.

We do have some fans that wouldn’t mind being part of The MWC. Personally, I just see that as Us being an Eastern outlier with an unpleasant time zone thingy goin’ on.

So, if we were to make a move, The AAC (aka: CUSA 5.0) appears to make the most sense for us from a regional perspective.

But unless we have a round of realignment with “lots of moving parts,” I just don’t see it happening. Which is fine, as we’re not dissatisfied with where we are. That said, we also don’t deny that we wouldn’t mind having another TX team (or 2) in the Belt to alleviate that “outlier” feeling.

In fact, were The Belt to add another TX team or two, it would make it The Perfect G5 Conference.

From a Herd perspective, it's not personal, we just have flashbacks of being scared of the year we have to bo out and play UTEP..

Everything in conference is not about what is good for the Eastern Division. The constant complaints about Texas State; the pimping for ECU; all of the whining from the East about not having a bus league; all those and similar complaints are getting old.
I know it is not all of you, but it is enough for it to be annoying.

The eastern division geography is perfect. Nobody is complaining about travel anymore.

I wouldn't say nobody. It's great for the Carolina schools and the newbies but the Georgia schools lose out on short drive games to the Bama schools.

(06-19-2023 09:16 AM)GSUdpb Wrote:  

(06-19-2023 09:03 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(06-19-2023 06:35 AM)Vobserver Wrote:  

(06-19-2023 12:02 AM)Herdfan1 Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 09:53 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  Love how some of y’all are eager to “ship us off,” but please . . . Don’t link us with Liberty. Ever.

I get the “spirit” of your post, even if in reality it’s probably misplaced.

At present, in The SBC, we are The Western outlier. And we’re well aware of how some of y’all just hate the thought of coming West.

We do have some fans that wouldn’t mind being part of The MWC. Personally, I just see that as Us being an Eastern outlier with an unpleasant time zone thingy goin’ on.

So, if we were to make a move, The AAC (aka: CUSA 5.0) appears to make the most sense for us from a regional perspective.

But unless we have a round of realignment with “lots of moving parts,” I just don’t see it happening. Which is fine, as we’re not dissatisfied with where we are. That said, we also don’t deny that we wouldn’t mind having another TX team (or 2) in the Belt to alleviate that “outlier” feeling.

In fact, were The Belt to add another TX team or two, it would make it The Perfect G5 Conference.

From a Herd perspective, it's not personal, we just have flashbacks of being scared of the year we have to bo out and play UTEP..

Everything in conference is not about what is good for the Eastern Division. The constant complaints about Texas State; the pimping for ECU; all of the whining from the East about not having a bus league; all those and similar complaints are getting old.
I know it is not all of you, but it is enough for it to be annoying.

The eastern division geography is perfect. Nobody is complaining about travel anymore.

I wouldn't say nobody. It's great for the Carolina schools and the newbies but the Georgia schools lose out on short drive games to the Bama schools.

Regardless, the east schools all have it pretty nice. Heck so do most of the West schools. Its just us outliers that have any sort of reason to complain but there's always going to be outliers. We are happy to be here.

(06-19-2023 06:35 AM)Vobserver Wrote:  

(06-19-2023 12:02 AM)Herdfan1 Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 09:53 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:19 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  SDSU and Boise to the PAC

El Paso and NMSU to the MWC

SMU and Memphis to the Big 12

Texas State and Liberty to the AAC

ECU to the Sun Belt

WKU and MT to the MAC

CUSA crumbles

Love how some of y’all are eager to “ship us off,” but please . . . Don’t link us with Liberty. Ever.

I get the “spirit” of your post, even if in reality it’s probably misplaced.

At present, in The SBC, we are The Western outlier. And we’re well aware of how some of y’all just hate the thought of coming West.

We do have some fans that wouldn’t mind being part of The MWC. Personally, I just see that as Us being an Eastern outlier with an unpleasant time zone thingy goin’ on.

So, if we were to make a move, The AAC (aka: CUSA 5.0) appears to make the most sense for us from a regional perspective.

But unless we have a round of realignment with “lots of moving parts,” I just don’t see it happening. Which is fine, as we’re not dissatisfied with where we are. That said, we also don’t deny that we wouldn’t mind having another TX team (or 2) in the Belt to alleviate that “outlier” feeling.

In fact, were The Belt to add another TX team or two, it would make it The Perfect G5 Conference.

From a Herd perspective, it's not personal, we just have flashbacks of being scared of the year we have to bo out and play UTEP..

Everything in conference is not about what is good for the Eastern Division. The constant complaints about Texas State; the pimping for ECU; all of the whining from the East about not having a bus league; all those and similar complaints are getting old.
I know it is not all of you, but it is enough for it to be annoying.

I haven't heard anyone complain about Texas State or travel. We just came from CUSA where SIX schools were over 1000 miles away from us to the SBC with only ONE school over 1000 miles away. We're elated to be here.

North Texas doesn't play baseball, therefore, they aren't a real university.

(06-19-2023 10:51 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  North Texas doesn't play baseball, therefore, they aren't a real university.

This is true.

(06-19-2023 09:16 AM)GSUdpb Wrote:  

(06-19-2023 09:03 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(06-19-2023 06:35 AM)Vobserver Wrote:  

(06-19-2023 12:02 AM)Herdfan1 Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 09:53 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  Love how some of y’all are eager to “ship us off,” but please . . . Don’t link us with Liberty. Ever.

I get the “spirit” of your post, even if in reality it’s probably misplaced.

At present, in The SBC, we are The Western outlier. And we’re well aware of how some of y’all just hate the thought of coming West.

We do have some fans that wouldn’t mind being part of The MWC. Personally, I just see that as Us being an Eastern outlier with an unpleasant time zone thingy goin’ on.

So, if we were to make a move, The AAC (aka: CUSA 5.0) appears to make the most sense for us from a regional perspective.

But unless we have a round of realignment with “lots of moving parts,” I just don’t see it happening. Which is fine, as we’re not dissatisfied with where we are. That said, we also don’t deny that we wouldn’t mind having another TX team (or 2) in the Belt to alleviate that “outlier” feeling.

In fact, were The Belt to add another TX team or two, it would make it The Perfect G5 Conference.

From a Herd perspective, it's not personal, we just have flashbacks of being scared of the year we have to bo out and play UTEP..

Everything in conference is not about what is good for the Eastern Division. The constant complaints about Texas State; the pimping for ECU; all of the whining from the East about not having a bus league; all those and similar complaints are getting old.
I know it is not all of you, but it is enough for it to be annoying.

The eastern division geography is perfect. Nobody is complaining about travel anymore.

I wouldn't say nobody. It's great for the Carolina schools and the newbies but the Georgia schools lose out on short drive games to the Bama schools.

Yeah having GAST-Troy be 194 miles apart (2 hours 54 minutes) and not playing yearly anymore is a bit of a shame. GASO-Troy to a lesser extent at 294 miles (5 hours 11 minutes).

Hard to make everyone happy and to build perfect schedules no matter how you look at it though. Therefore what we have is as good as it can be right now with how much money we bring in.

Troy and Georgia State are closer in distance than Georgia Southern and Georgia State. If a team had to shift west, it would be Georgia State and the GASO-GAST game would be a protected cross-division game

while i know there are not so great options (except WFU!!), or it's currently a stretch for SBC (USF)...it would feel right if a Florida team was still in the SUN Belt