This is like Christmas morning in November. Suck it Cinn fans. Can't wait to see you sitting at home this time next year with no bowl. The new doormat of the B12

(11-27-2022 10:43 PM)ECU#7 Wrote:  This is like Christmas morning in November. Suck it Cinn fans. Can't wait to see you sitting at home this time next year with no bowl. The new doormat of the B12

I'd say "Stay classy there ECU," but ECU has never been known for class...

Enjoy it while you can, I guess.

(11-27-2022 10:09 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 03:26 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 03:12 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 03:05 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 02:27 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Cincy has a good track record of hiring coaches, but if they fail initially it matters not. They are in the club.

they have a new AD... who has no track record at all

The same AD who hired Luke Fickell also hired John Brannen.

The program matters so much more than the AD.

Wes hasn’t exactly inspired confidence so far, but one thing that was encouraging was that the search itself was very well done.

brannen tied for a ship his 1st year and had a competitive rebuild the nextr year... the personal vendatta your ad had against that man didnt make him a bad coach...

You can’t be serious…

The guy had Jarron Cumberland and Tre Scott, yet struggled to make it through a mediocre non con at 7-5. Then went 13-5 to tie for a conference title in a very mediocre AAC. Tommy Tuberville won a conference title at UC too. That doesn’t make him a good coach.

What happened his second year once those players left? As close to Armageddon as it gets. The guy has a decent basketball mind. He was a horrible head basketball coach at UC. I don’t even know how you are attempting to debate this.

"What happened his second year once those players left?" you finished 5th in the aac, despite half the team trying to opt out (Some successfully).while dealing with behind the scenes AD beef..
you even finished the season strong on a 9-4 run... honestly remove the 2 houston games (a final 4 team) and every game was competitive on an extremely young team his 2nd year

you are at year 2 of miller and unlike Brannen didn't have the transfer portal... and are worse

with brannen i never questioned his x and os.. i felt his culture was kinda soft during the season ..but it was year 2 and portal wasnt a thing to build a roster he truly liked .unlike your current coach

im not a bias cincy, its obvious to anyone who doesnt have an huge uc bias that brannen wasnt a bad coach... he didnt do enough to say great.. but he wasnt given enough to prove that.. he proved he was good

(11-27-2022 07:27 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 04:51 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 01:47 PM)MeepMeep Wrote:   AAC fans in here are so petty

You apparently missed the million or so times UC fans told us Fickell would only leave for Ohio State.

Notre Dame was the other. Some people thought he’d bolt for the likes of Penn State. So I guess Wisconsin is in that ball park but most people thought it would be Ohio State.

Yes, I recall Notre Dame, too. But they didn't offer him that one, so it seems irrelevant to the convo.

also now that im thinking about it, how much of the brannen situation soured fickell to staying long term.. because Wisconsin makes no sense at all

the potential national title in unprecedent means might have kept him 1 year extra

but brannen was hired in part by fickell who was part of his search committee and both were friends

ps im not saying he left becuase of brannen but that brannen might have been a sour note and a cautionary tale to him about staying long term

By the way, I agree with UC fans who say Wisconsin is a bit weird. Is Wisconsin that much better than Michigan State, which he turned down?

I guess I could see it with divisions, but not going forward.

(11-27-2022 11:22 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 10:09 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 03:26 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 03:12 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 03:05 PM)pesik Wrote:  they have a new AD... who has no track record at all

The same AD who hired Luke Fickell also hired John Brannen.

The program matters so much more than the AD.

Wes hasn’t exactly inspired confidence so far, but one thing that was encouraging was that the search itself was very well done.

brannen tied for a ship his 1st year and had a competitive rebuild the nextr year... the personal vendatta your ad had against that man didnt make him a bad coach...

You can’t be serious…

The guy had Jarron Cumberland and Tre Scott, yet struggled to make it through a mediocre non con at 7-5. Then went 13-5 to tie for a conference title in a very mediocre AAC. Tommy Tuberville won a conference title at UC too. That doesn’t make him a good coach.

What happened his second year once those players left? As close to Armageddon as it gets. The guy has a decent basketball mind. He was a horrible head basketball coach at UC. I don’t even know how you are attempting to debate this.

"What happened his second year once those players left?" you finished 5th in the aac, despite half the team trying to opt out (Some successfully).while dealing with behind the scenes AD beef..
you even finished the season strong on a 9-4 run... honestly remove the 2 houston games (a final 4 team) and every game was competitive on an extremely young team his 2nd year

you are at year 2 of miller and unlike Brannen didn't have the transfer portal... and are worse

with brannen i never questioned his x and os.. i felt his culture was kinda soft during the season ..but it was year 2 and portal wasnt a thing to build a roster he truly liked .unlike your current coach

im not a bias cincy, its obvious to anyone who doesnt have an huge uc bias that brannen wasnt a bad coach... he didnt do enough to say great.. but he wasnt given enough to prove that.. he proved he was good

I’m a bit aghast at how insane this argument is. This is your main issue, you stick to an opinion even if there is virtually no evidence to support it. You’ve been so upset about the Brannen situation from day one, you can’t even admit that he failed badly here.

Brannen went 8-6 and finished 5th in a barely 2 bid AAC his second year. Finished 116 in KenPom, UCs worst finish in 15 years. This doesn’t even mention a disastrous non con that included a loss to a mediocre Xavier team in a rivalry game at home, a double digit loss to 100+ ranked Vanderbilt at home, and a double digit non competitive loss to 95th ranked Georgia.

And you are trying to argue that’s adequate?

That young team you mention literally was running for the exits as fast as they could the second the season ended. You literally had played saying they were playing for each other and not Brannen, which is what they attributed the stronger finish to the season, which was still pretty poor all things considered.

So he had players opting out, leaving the program as fast as they could, and absolutely zero recruits coming in. Other than that Ms Lincoln, how was the play?

Yeah, the guy definitely proved he was a good coach. SMH.

(11-27-2022 11:40 PM)TripleA Wrote:  By the way, I agree with UC fans who say Wisconsin is a bit weird. Is Wisconsin that much better than Michigan State, which he turned down?

I guess I could see it with divisions, but not going forward.

MiSt had an athletics scandal, or scandals, don’t blame Fickell for saying no thanks. Wisconsin is a great job, and regarding their athletic spending I am sure it was part of the negotiations. As for the Notre Dame job, not getting Fickell is their loss. Fickell took a Bearcats team that was down and made unbelievable strides culminating in a playoff appearance. How many here thought any G5 would get there? Great coach and he did a lot for the conference. Sucks for the Cincinnati fans hope the next coach keeps it going for y’all.

(11-28-2022 12:15 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 11:22 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 10:09 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 03:26 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 03:12 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  The same AD who hired Luke Fickell also hired John Brannen.

The program matters so much more than the AD.

Wes hasn’t exactly inspired confidence so far, but one thing that was encouraging was that the search itself was very well done.

brannen tied for a ship his 1st year and had a competitive rebuild the nextr year... the personal vendatta your ad had against that man didnt make him a bad coach...

You can’t be serious…

The guy had Jarron Cumberland and Tre Scott, yet struggled to make it through a mediocre non con at 7-5. Then went 13-5 to tie for a conference title in a very mediocre AAC. Tommy Tuberville won a conference title at UC too. That doesn’t make him a good coach.

What happened his second year once those players left? As close to Armageddon as it gets. The guy has a decent basketball mind. He was a horrible head basketball coach at UC. I don’t even know how you are attempting to debate this.

"What happened his second year once those players left?" you finished 5th in the aac, despite half the team trying to opt out (Some successfully).while dealing with behind the scenes AD beef..
you even finished the season strong on a 9-4 run... honestly remove the 2 houston games (a final 4 team) and every game was competitive on an extremely young team his 2nd year

you are at year 2 of miller and unlike Brannen didn't have the transfer portal... and are worse

with brannen i never questioned his x and os.. i felt his culture was kinda soft during the season ..but it was year 2 and portal wasnt a thing to build a roster he truly liked .unlike your current coach

im not a bias cincy, its obvious to anyone who doesnt have an huge uc bias that brannen wasnt a bad coach... he didnt do enough to say great.. but he wasnt given enough to prove that.. he proved he was good

I’m a bit aghast at how insane this argument is. This is your main issue, you stick to an opinion even if there is virtually no evidence to support it. You’ve been so upset about the Brannen situation from day one, you can’t even admit that he failed badly here.

Brannen went 8-6 and finished 5th in a barely 2 bid AAC his second year. Finished 116 in KenPom, UCs worst finish in 15 years. This doesn’t even mention a disastrous non con that included a loss to a mediocre Xavier team in a rivalry game at home, a double digit loss to 100+ ranked Vanderbilt at home, and a double digit non competitive loss to 95th ranked Georgia.

And you are trying to argue that’s adequate?

That young team you mention literally was running for the exits as fast as they could the second the season ended. You literally had played saying they were playing for each other and not Brannen, which is what they attributed the stronger finish to the season, which was still pretty poor all things considered.

So he had players opting out, leaving the program as fast as they could, and absolutely zero recruits coming in. Other than that Ms Lincoln, how was the play?

Yeah, the guy definitely proved he was a good coach. SMH.

Lol, the guy was a good friend of Fickell and you ****** him. I told you the first decent job he got offered after that (Wisconsin) he would be out. Why would he stick around to get done like his friend? You need to thank God a former assistant of his was up for the Notre Dame job or else your program would be back in the shitter a year earlier. Have fun, you all are finishing with losses and poor performances all the way around, enjoy it

Can't wait to see the actual finacials when the big Xii finishes collapsing, too bad Tulsa
won't be there to reap the easy W's and lick the tears as you never play Texas or OU lol

(11-27-2022 11:38 PM)pesik Wrote:  also now that im thinking about it, how much of the brannen situation soured fickell to staying long term.. because Wisconsin makes no sense at all

the potential national title in unprecedent means might have kept him 1 year extra

but brannen was hired in part by fickell who was part of his search committee and both were friends

ps im not saying he left becuase of brannen but that brannen might have been a sour note and a cautionary tale to him about staying long term

Another asinine connection.

Fickell during his Oct 4 media availability, specifically called out Paul Chryst’s firing and Wisconsin as shameful and bad for sport and a college football program. What a cautionary tale. Guess he would ever take a job there right!

(11-28-2022 12:15 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  I’m a bit aghast at how insane this argument is. This is your main issue, you stick to an opinion even if there is virtually no evidence to support it. You’ve been so upset about the Brannen situation from day one, you can’t even admit that he failed badly here.

Brannen went 8-6 and finished 5th in a barely 2 bid AAC his second year. Finished 116 in KenPom, UCs worst finish in 15 years. This doesn’t even mention a disastrous non con that included a loss to a mediocre Xavier team in a rivalry game at home, a double digit loss to 100+ ranked Vanderbilt at home, and a double digit non competitive loss to 95th ranked Georgia.

And you are trying to argue that’s adequate?

That young team you mention literally was running for the exits as fast as they could the second the season ended. You literally had played saying they were playing for each other and not Brannen, which is what they attributed the stronger finish to the season, which was still pretty poor all things considered.

So he had players opting out, leaving the program as fast as they could, and absolutely zero recruits coming in. Other than that Ms Lincoln, how was the play?

Yeah, the guy definitely proved he was a good coach. SMH.

what really crazy to is that you think my argument is supper crazy and based on some super bias for brannen.. a coach has 2 years and won a league title in one of them, and was 5th place in the other

a brand new coach not be in a rebuild? (before the transfer portal!!!) the sole and only reason you were 115 in kenpom is from the covid schedule that didnt have easy buy games
i would bet legtimate money this years UC would not have fared better on that schedule .. likely worse

that bad Vanderbilt and Goergia ARE BETTER THAN NKU (this year)!!!!!! Who comfortably beat you

the players opting out wasn't a good thing, ive noted that was my con about his culture but the covid thing and ad sabotage didnt help.. sampson top 2 "preseason" players his 2nd year quit before the season started (torian graham, 4star).. it was a bad sign but something he could have bounced back from...

you either think miller is a horrendous coach and should be fired right now or your own points are bias and make no sense...

(11-28-2022 12:41 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  Another asinine connection.

Fickell during his Oct 4 media availability, specifically called out Paul Chryst’s firing and Wisconsin as shameful and bad for sport and a college football program. What a cautionary tale. Guess he would ever take a job there right!

when did i say wisconsin was long term.. my post was lack of loyalty to UC.. not loyalty to wisconsin... your counter are illogical

(11-28-2022 12:34 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 12:15 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 11:22 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 10:09 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 03:26 PM)pesik Wrote:  brannen tied for a ship his 1st year and had a competitive rebuild the nextr year... the personal vendatta your ad had against that man didnt make him a bad coach...

You can’t be serious…

The guy had Jarron Cumberland and Tre Scott, yet struggled to make it through a mediocre non con at 7-5. Then went 13-5 to tie for a conference title in a very mediocre AAC. Tommy Tuberville won a conference title at UC too. That doesn’t make him a good coach.

What happened his second year once those players left? As close to Armageddon as it gets. The guy has a decent basketball mind. He was a horrible head basketball coach at UC. I don’t even know how you are attempting to debate this.

"What happened his second year once those players left?" you finished 5th in the aac, despite half the team trying to opt out (Some successfully).while dealing with behind the scenes AD beef..
you even finished the season strong on a 9-4 run... honestly remove the 2 houston games (a final 4 team) and every game was competitive on an extremely young team his 2nd year

you are at year 2 of miller and unlike Brannen didn't have the transfer portal... and are worse

with brannen i never questioned his x and os.. i felt his culture was kinda soft during the season ..but it was year 2 and portal wasnt a thing to build a roster he truly liked .unlike your current coach

im not a bias cincy, its obvious to anyone who doesnt have an huge uc bias that brannen wasnt a bad coach... he didnt do enough to say great.. but he wasnt given enough to prove that.. he proved he was good

I’m a bit aghast at how insane this argument is. This is your main issue, you stick to an opinion even if there is virtually no evidence to support it. You’ve been so upset about the Brannen situation from day one, you can’t even admit that he failed badly here.

Brannen went 8-6 and finished 5th in a barely 2 bid AAC his second year. Finished 116 in KenPom, UCs worst finish in 15 years. This doesn’t even mention a disastrous non con that included a loss to a mediocre Xavier team in a rivalry game at home, a double digit loss to 100+ ranked Vanderbilt at home, and a double digit non competitive loss to 95th ranked Georgia.

And you are trying to argue that’s adequate?

That young team you mention literally was running for the exits as fast as they could the second the season ended. You literally had played saying they were playing for each other and not Brannen, which is what they attributed the stronger finish to the season, which was still pretty poor all things considered.

So he had players opting out, leaving the program as fast as they could, and absolutely zero recruits coming in. Other than that Ms Lincoln, how was the play?

Yeah, the guy definitely proved he was a good coach. SMH.

Lol, the guy was a good friend of Fickell and you ****** him. I told you the first decent job he got offered after that (Wisconsin) he would be out. Why would he stick around to get done like his friend? You need to thank God a former assistant of his was up for the Notre Dame job or else your program would be back in the shitter a year earlier. Have fun, you all are finishing with losses and poor performances all the way around, enjoy it

Can't wait to see the actual finacials when the big Xii finishes collapsing, too bad Tulsa
won't be there to reap the easy W's and lick the tears as you never play Texas or OU lol

I know for a fact that Fickell and Brannen were not friends. Tom Mars not only greatly exaggerated that interaction, but posted it out of context as well.

And he got contacted about multiple very good jobs both this year and last year and did not take them. So, I’d go easy patting yourself on the back.

But please, continue to speak on things you don’t know about.

(11-28-2022 12:45 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 12:15 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  I’m a bit aghast at how insane this argument is. This is your main issue, you stick to an opinion even if there is virtually no evidence to support it. You’ve been so upset about the Brannen situation from day one, you can’t even admit that he failed badly here.

Brannen went 8-6 and finished 5th in a barely 2 bid AAC his second year. Finished 116 in KenPom, UCs worst finish in 15 years. This doesn’t even mention a disastrous non con that included a loss to a mediocre Xavier team in a rivalry game at home, a double digit loss to 100+ ranked Vanderbilt at home, and a double digit non competitive loss to 95th ranked Georgia.

And you are trying to argue that’s adequate?

That young team you mention literally was running for the exits as fast as they could the second the season ended. You literally had played saying they were playing for each other and not Brannen, which is what they attributed the stronger finish to the season, which was still pretty poor all things considered.

So he had players opting out, leaving the program as fast as they could, and absolutely zero recruits coming in. Other than that Ms Lincoln, how was the play?

Yeah, the guy definitely proved he was a good coach. SMH.

what really crazy to is that you think my argument is supper crazy and based on some super bias for brannen.. a coach has 2 years and won a league title in one of them, and was 5th place in the other

a brand new coach not be in a rebuild? (before the transfer portal!!!) the sole and only reason you were 115 in kenpom is from the covid schedule that didnt have easy buy games
i would bet legtimate money this years UC would not have fared better on that schedule .. likely worse

that bad Vanderbilt and Goergia ARE BETTER THAN NKU (this year)!!!!!! Who comfortably beat you

the players option out wasnt a good thing, ive noted that was mycon about his culture but the covid thing and ad sabotage didnt help.. sampson top 2 "preseason" players his 2nd year quit before the season started (torian graham, 4star).. it was a bad sign but something he could have bounced back from...

you either think miller is a horrendous coach and should b fired right now or your own points are bias and make no sense...

I just wrote a longer diatribe rebutting your points, but it got lost when the page refreshed so I’ll summarize.

1) A rebuild is when you are establishing a culture, and have a future you are building towards. Brannen’s own guys, both transfers and freshmen, were bailing on him and we had zero recruits, literally zero, coming in. That’s not a rebuild, that’s just an implosion.

2) The transfer portal started in 2018, and while it would be a couple years before free transfers were authorized, Brannen had access to plentiful transfers due to the waivers being handed out, which were very rarely denied. Brannen himself had 6 non sit out transfers in 2 years, 3 of which left the program mid season. Not exactly inspiring.

3) Buy games don’t raise your KenPom ranking, and even if they did, that would apply to everyone in college basketball that year, making the effect negligible.

4) What does Wes Miller have to do with John Brannen’s coaching prowess? Where did those goal posts come from?? No one has justified the NKU loss, and the difference between Miller and Brannen so far is twofold.

First, Miller inherited a used diaper dumpster fire of a roster, thanks to Brannen. Whereas Brannen inherited a pretty solid team from Cronin, albeit with recruiting to do to get young guys in. Second, Wes has brought in young players that show promise, both this year and our recruits lined up for next year. If Wes loses the freshmen mid or after the season, and the recruits bail so we have no one coming in, then yeah sure, I think you’d likely see the exact same reaction Brannen got.

Miller no doubt has some concern with him so far in his coaching performance, but he’s light years ahead of Brannen when it comes to actually rebuilding something.

Brannen got fired not for losing games or for a toxic culture / roster, but for both. You can’t do both of those at once and survive. Wes, so far, is mainly only showing promise at one of those. But it will be enough to keep his job through a full cycle. If Brannen wanted that same thing, perhaps he should have tried one or the other.

By the way, Brannen is available and likely will be for a long time. Sampson will eventually have to retire. He sounds like he’d be a top choice for Houston when the time comes. I’m sure you’ll be championing his hire when the time comes.

(11-28-2022 01:22 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  I just wrote a longer diatribe rebutting your points, but it got lost when the page refreshed so I’ll summarize.

1) A rebuild is when you are establishing a culture, and have a future you are building towards. Brannen’s own guys, both transfers and freshmen, were bailing on him and we had zero recruits, literally zero, coming in. That’s not a rebuild, that’s just an implosion.

2) The transfer portal started in 2018, and while it would be a couple years before free transfers were authorized, Brannen had access to plentiful transfers due to the waivers being handed out, which were very rarely denied. Brannen himself had 6 non sit out transfers in 2 years, 3 of which left the program mid season. Not exactly inspiring.

3) Buy games don’t raise your KenPom ranking, and even if they did, that would apply to everyone in college basketball that year, making the effect negligible.

4) What does Wes Miller have to do with John Brannen’s coaching prowess? Where did those goal posts come from?? No one has justified the NKU loss, and the difference between Miller and Brannen so far is twofold.

First, Miller inherited a used diaper dumpster fire of a roster, thanks to Brannen. Whereas Brannen inherited a pretty solid team from Cronin, albeit with recruiting to do to get young guys in. Second, Wes has brought in young players that show promise, both this year and our recruits lined up for next year. If Wes loses the freshmen mid or after the season, and the recruits bail so we have no one coming in, then yeah sure, I think you’d likely see the exact same reaction Brannen got.

Miller no doubt has some concern with him so far in his coaching performance, but he’s light years ahead of Brannen when it comes to actually rebuilding something.

Brannen got fired not for losing games or for a toxic culture / roster, but for both. You can’t do both of those at once and survive. Wes, so far, is mainly only showing promise at one of those. But it will be enough to keep his job through a full cycle. If Brannen wanted that same thing, perhaps he should have tried one or the other.

By the way, Brannen is available and likely will be for a long time. Sampson will eventually have to retire. He sounds like he’d be a top choice for Houston when the time comes. I’m sure you’ll be championing his hire when the time comes.

1) i countered thatm Sampson had players opt out on him when he 1st started, a few after a few practices before a single game... our first 2-3 years was a revolving door.. sampson wasnt a bad coach

2) pretending pre-1time transfer and now are the same is nuts---the quality of transfers , number of transfers and eligibility guarantess of transfers are not the same, before the 1time transfer rules.. its crazy to insinuate they are... the landscape has change drastically its crazy to state otherwise ...building a roster today was not the same as back then, not even close..

3) buy games do increase kenpom, do you know how kenpom works??? it goes off straight efficiency numbers, there are modifier for sos but those cap out at about 6-10 spots.. while there are no caps for efficiency..
" even if they did, that would apply to everyone in college basketball that year " yes meaning uc losses its advantage -- as a team that regular schedules weak dating back to the cronin years... you werent playing tough schedules...like this year and last year, your full context noncon sos is bad... you ar going to boost your kenpom ..you are punishing the 1 year that had tough noncon the few it played...
again tell me how this years team would be any better on that schedule???

4) this is deflection and you know it.. you are using 1 standard to judge a coach, im saying that standard would mean you hate you current coach
you are saying dont hate the coach.. it makes no sense

--- the counter points

miller had the transfer portal (1time transfer) --blaming him on year 2 for roster is wild, it was obvious your issues before the season, I NOTED (that you commented on) all offseason how he was doing a terrible job in the portal... his roster issue were fixable with good additions -- this is insane copout saying "he inherited.." nonsense and you know it

he bought in like 4 uncg guys his 1st year (which i called out them), and this year between the thousands of transfer in the portal he only brought 1 noteable transfer in nolley and you think its the previous coaches fault..

also you keep saying brannen had no one coming in.. he was fired april 9th..imagine judging any memphis penny class by april 9th .. houston didnt get grimes till mid july!!! didnt get kyler edwards till may.. you wouldnt have landed nolley by then

and kellen is going to be coach, but honestly ive told you i prefer proven retread hires in basketball when we had convos about the types of coaches id like to hire.. but if the ad just hired brannen i honestly wouldnt be the upset...he hasnt proven himself great, but the idea that he was proven bad at UC is nonsensical

you have some crazy bias against brannen and cant step outside the bubble to see your crazy bias, and pretending anyone who doesnt have that same crazy bias is mad

Comparing the situation Sampson took over and the situation Brannen took over is bonkers. Not even in the same galaxy. That’s a wild comparison.

I think you are thinking of NET, which doesn’t cap MOV and can be skewed by dominant performances against non comparable competition. Ken changed his formula in 2014 to put more emphasis on games against quality opponents, and puts significantly less emphasis on buy games, especially ones at the high end of the spectrum. See here.

Dude, you brought up Wes, not me. I was just pointing out the reason Wes hasn’t received the same scrutiny Brannen did. How can you tell me you can’t judge a recruiting class on April 9th? That’s literally after both signing periods! When can you judge a coaches’ recruits then? Sure you still have transfers, but very few coaches make their living on transfers only (Musselman being the obvious). You certainly can’t assume he just decided to take only transfers.

Look, Wes has his issues so far, so it’s far from decided that he’s going to be ok. You are just trashing him because of the AD that hired him, who you have a weird vendetta against because of the Brannen situation. I can actually admit that Wes has not done well so far, particularly with the portal and A number of on court results. You just make excuses for everything that happened with Brannen.

(11-28-2022 02:11 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 01:22 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  I just wrote a longer diatribe rebutting your points, but it got lost when the page refreshed so I’ll summarize.

1) A rebuild is when you are establishing a culture, and have a future you are building towards. Brannen’s own guys, both transfers and freshmen, were bailing on him and we had zero recruits, literally zero, coming in. That’s not a rebuild, that’s just an implosion.

2) The transfer portal started in 2018, and while it would be a couple years before free transfers were authorized, Brannen had access to plentiful transfers due to the waivers being handed out, which were very rarely denied. Brannen himself had 6 non sit out transfers in 2 years, 3 of which left the program mid season. Not exactly inspiring.

3) Buy games don’t raise your KenPom ranking, and even if they did, that would apply to everyone in college basketball that year, making the effect negligible.

4) What does Wes Miller have to do with John Brannen’s coaching prowess? Where did those goal posts come from?? No one has justified the NKU loss, and the difference between Miller and Brannen so far is twofold.

First, Miller inherited a used diaper dumpster fire of a roster, thanks to Brannen. Whereas Brannen inherited a pretty solid team from Cronin, albeit with recruiting to do to get young guys in. Second, Wes has brought in young players that show promise, both this year and our recruits lined up for next year. If Wes loses the freshmen mid or after the season, and the recruits bail so we have no one coming in, then yeah sure, I think you’d likely see the exact same reaction Brannen got.

Miller no doubt has some concern with him so far in his coaching performance, but he’s light years ahead of Brannen when it comes to actually rebuilding something.

Brannen got fired not for losing games or for a toxic culture / roster, but for both. You can’t do both of those at once and survive. Wes, so far, is mainly only showing promise at one of those. But it will be enough to keep his job through a full cycle. If Brannen wanted that same thing, perhaps he should have tried one or the other.

By the way, Brannen is available and likely will be for a long time. Sampson will eventually have to retire. He sounds like he’d be a top choice for Houston when the time comes. I’m sure you’ll be championing his hire when the time comes.

1) i countered thatm Sampson had players opt out on him when he 1st started, a few after a few practices before a single game... our first 2-3 years was a revolving door.. sampson wasnt a bad coach

2) pretending pre-1time transfer and now are the same is nuts---the quality of transfers , number of transfers and eligibility guarantess of transfers are not the same, before the 1time transfer rules.. its crazy to insinuate they are... the landscape has change drastically its crazy to state otherwise ...building a roster today was not the same as back then, not even close..

3) buy games do increase kenpom, do you know how kenpom works??? it goes off straight efficiency numbers, there are modifier for sos but those cap out at about 6-10 spots.. while there are no caps for efficiency..
" even if they did, that would apply to everyone in college basketball that year " yes meaning uc losses its advantage -- as a team that regular schedules weak dating back to the cronin years... you werent playing tough schedules...like this year and last year, your full context noncon sos is bad... you ar going to boost your kenpom ..you are punishing the 1 year that had tough noncon the few it played...
again tell me how this years team would be any better on that schedule???

4) this is deflection and you know it.. you are using 1 standard to judge a coach, im saying that standard would mean you hate you current coach
you are saying dont hate the coach.. it makes no sense

--- the counter points

miller had the transfer portal (1time transfer) --blaming him on year 2 for roster is wild, it was obvious your issues before the season, I NOTED (that you commented on) all offseason how he was doing a terrible job in the portal... his roster issue were fixable with good additions -- this is insane copout saying "he inherited.." nonsense and you know it

he bought in like 4 uncg guys his 1st year (which i called out them), and this year between the thousands of transfer in the portal he only brought 1 noteable transfer in nolley and you think its the previous coaches fault..

also you keep saying brannen had no one coming in.. he was fired april 9th..imagine judging any memphis penny class by april 9th .. houston didnt get grimes till mid july!!! didnt get kyler edwards till may.. you wouldnt have landed nolley by then

and kellen is going to be coach, but honestly ive told you i prefer proven retread hires in basketball when we had convos about the types of coaches id like to hire.. but if the ad just hired brannen i honestly wouldnt be the upset...he hasnt proven himself great, but the idea that he was proven bad at UC is nonsensical

you have some crazy bias against brannen and cant step outside the bubble to see your crazy bias, and pretending anyone who doesnt have that same crazy bias is mad

You're the crazy man, arguing that the rest of the world is crazy and you're the only sane person in it.

Urban Meyer to Cincy??

https://thespun.com/.amp/college-footbal...peculation

The timing makes sense. Dana mentioned it in a presser a few weeks back. You're about to move to a conference with way more depth from a management/coaching standpoint. It will take a while for the three teams leaving to catch up. The window for Fickell to land a top job was closing unless he wanted to roll the dice and hang out through the adjustment period.

(11-27-2022 10:43 PM)ECU#7 Wrote:  This is like Christmas morning in November. Suck it Cinn fans. Can't wait to see you sitting at home this time next year with no bowl. The new doormat of the B12

That's OK, Jethro.

We're at the Cadillac dealership shopping for our replacement whereas ECU has to get their '97 Yugo with a different color fender from Stinky Pete's used cars.

Merry Christmas.