(01-27-2022 10:06 AM)JamesNathan Wrote:  Personally, I'd prefer SDSU over both of them. None of this is going to happen anyway, though.

Ha- of course you would, Provo. Ask Morgantown or Orlando how they feel about San Diego.

Side note- my name is James Nathan (first, middle). Nice to meet you.

I don't think the B12 adds any more schools. After the constitutional convention I think you will see a break away of schools and I think the B1G & SEC carve up the ACC at least but 4-6 schools are left from the ACC for the B12 to add. Louisville, Syracuse, Pitt, maybe even a Miami, Va. Tech or Ga. Tech(like one or two of those schools). It doesn't seem to make sense to add schools until you know the landscape for sure.

But if you were comparing Boise St. vs CSU I can say this BSU has routinely kicked CSU's A$$ when it comes to tv ratings and its not even close. The CSU football attendance is horrible also. I see a lot of old B12 fans that romance the thought of CSU as a replacement for Colorado but I'm not sure how good of an idea that would be.

(01-27-2022 12:05 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  But if you were comparing Boise St. vs CSU I can say this BSU has routinely kicked CSU's A$$ when it comes to tv ratings and its not even close. The CSU football attendance is horrible also. I see a lot of old B12 fans that romance the thought of CSU as a replacement for Colorado but I'm not sure how good of an idea that would be.

Eh, there's a few Bearcats & Knights here siding with the Rams. No one is disputing who has the healthier football program right now. My argument in favor of Colorado State is mostly an academic/cultural one.

(01-27-2022 10:06 AM)JamesNathan Wrote:  Personally, I'd prefer SDSU over both of them. None of this is going to happen anyway, though.

Yep, if it were me just building a hypothetical conference that was going to get paid the same no matter who I added, I would be getting after Hawaii, San Diego State, Tulane and SMU.

(01-27-2022 11:38 AM)CYOWA Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 10:06 AM)JamesNathan Wrote:  Personally, I'd prefer SDSU over both of them. None of this is going to happen anyway, though.

Ha- of course you would, Provo. Ask Morgantown or Orlando how they feel about San Diego.

Side note- my name is James Nathan (first, middle). Nice to meet you.

With that line of thinking, let's ask Orlando how they feel about Boise.

(01-27-2022 02:29 PM)JamesNathan Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 11:38 AM)CYOWA Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 10:06 AM)JamesNathan Wrote:  Personally, I'd prefer SDSU over both of them. None of this is going to happen anyway, though.

Ha- of course you would, Provo. Ask Morgantown or Orlando how they feel about San Diego.

Side note- my name is James Nathan (first, middle). Nice to meet you.

With that line of thinking, let's ask Orlando how they feel about Boise.

Roughly the same I'd imagine.

It's a shame that football success is weighted so heavily in these decisions; it's the student athletes of the other sports that suffer. They're the ones who have to endure multiple lengthy flights when they could be spending that time preparing for finals and term papers (or toga parties).

How does BYU feel about Colorado State? I'm openly campaigning for them over Boise State (assuming Power 5 options are off the table).

Travel's going to be a part of the deal in this league, with or without further expansion. You don't have much choice but to regionalize it as best you can with divisions and push forward.

Ironically, that's probably more easily done in a 16-team format than a 12-team one. With pods, you could create regional divisions and manipulate the schedule to limit insane travel, which would especially help for non-revenue sports.

(01-27-2022 02:57 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  Travel's going to be a part of the deal in this league, with or without further expansion. You don't have much choice but to regionalize it as best you can with divisions and push forward.

Ironically, that's probably more easily done in a 16-team format than a 12-team one. With pods, you could create regional divisions and manipulate the schedule to limit insane travel, which would especially help for non-revenue sports.

Just because there would be pods in football does that necessitate that there are pods in other sports? Is that even possible? With TCU being in the division less Big 12 I don't really know how division rules work.

(01-27-2022 03:43 PM)hiphopfroggy Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 02:57 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  Travel's going to be a part of the deal in this league, with or without further expansion. You don't have much choice but to regionalize it as best you can with divisions and push forward.

Ironically, that's probably more easily done in a 16-team format than a 12-team one. With pods, you could create regional divisions and manipulate the schedule to limit insane travel, which would especially help for non-revenue sports.

Just because there would be pods in football does that necessitate that there are pods in other sports? Is that even possible? With TCU being in the division less Big 12 I don't really know how division rules work.

You wouldn't have to do them in all sports. It just might help from an organization and scheduling standpoint.

(01-27-2022 02:57 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  Travel's going to be a part of the deal in this league, with or without further expansion. You don't have much choice but to regionalize it as best you can with divisions and push forward.

Ironically, that's probably more easily done in a 16-team format than a 12-team one. With pods, you could create regional divisions and manipulate the schedule to limit insane travel, which would especially help for non-revenue sports.

Ok- who you got in your pods? If I'm to abandon academic standards give me Vegas over Boise, baby:

CINCINNATI
MEMPHIS
UCF
WEST VIRGINIA

IOWA STATE
KU
KANSAS STATE
OKLAHOMA STATE

BAYLOR
HOUSTON
TECH
TCU

BYU
COLORADO STATE
SAN DIEGO STATE
UNLV

(01-27-2022 02:45 PM)CYOWA Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 02:29 PM)JamesNathan Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 11:38 AM)CYOWA Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 10:06 AM)JamesNathan Wrote:  Personally, I'd prefer SDSU over both of them. None of this is going to happen anyway, though.

Ha- of course you would, Provo. Ask Morgantown or Orlando how they feel about San Diego.

Side note- my name is James Nathan (first, middle). Nice to meet you.

With that line of thinking, let's ask Orlando how they feel about Boise.

Roughly the same I'd imagine.

It's a shame that football success is weighted so heavily in these decisions; it's the student athletes of the other sports that suffer. They're the ones who have to endure multiple lengthy flights when they could be spending that time preparing for finals and term papers (or toga parties).

How does BYU feel about Colorado State? I'm openly campaigning for them over Boise State (assuming Power 5 options are off the table).

I can't speak for the whole school or fanbase, but for me I was fine playing CSU. But they haven't really made much noise since BYU left the MWC. Current health of a program matters, just like potential matters. And right now, CSU would need to show me that they are healthier than they have been. I don't see the Big XII expanding, though, unless a TV deal indicated that it would be worth more per school than it is without two extra teams. And I just don't see that happening for a while. When it does, we can decide on the current health and potential of teams at that point.

(01-27-2022 04:28 PM)CYOWA Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 02:57 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  Travel's going to be a part of the deal in this league, with or without further expansion. You don't have much choice but to regionalize it as best you can with divisions and push forward.

Ironically, that's probably more easily done in a 16-team format than a 12-team one. With pods, you could create regional divisions and manipulate the schedule to limit insane travel, which would especially help for non-revenue sports.

Ok- who you got in your pods? If I'm to abandon academic standards give me Vegas over Boise, baby:

CINCINNATI
MEMPHIS
UCF
WEST VIRGINIA

IOWA STATE
KU
KANSAS STATE
OKLAHOMA STATE

BAYLOR
HOUSTON
TECH
TCU

BYU
COLORADO STATE
SAN DIEGO STATE
UNLV

You must really hate Boise State. Haha. UNLV is one of the 20 worst football programs in America. They're Kansas bad most years in a Group of 5 conference. I don't see that improving with tougher competition.

That said, replace UNLV with Boise in your lineup and that's exactly the one I had in mind.

Like everyone else has said, I think you hold out for any PAC-12 defectors first. But objectively speaking, I don't see any of them jumping ship for the Big 12.

(01-27-2022 04:28 PM)CYOWA Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 02:57 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  Travel's going to be a part of the deal in this league, with or without further expansion. You don't have much choice but to regionalize it as best you can with divisions and push forward.

Ironically, that's probably more easily done in a 16-team format than a 12-team one. With pods, you could create regional divisions and manipulate the schedule to limit insane travel, which would especially help for non-revenue sports.

Ok- who you got in your pods? If I'm to abandon academic standards give me Vegas over Boise, baby:

CINCINNATI
MEMPHIS
UCF
WEST VIRGINIA

IOWA STATE
KU
KANSAS STATE
OKLAHOMA STATE

BAYLOR
HOUSTON
TECH
TCU

BYU
COLORADO STATE
SAN DIEGO STATE
UNLV

Alright I'm game for coming up with pods.

UCF
USF
Cincy
WVU

ISU
Kansas
KSU
OSU

Tulane
Memphis
Houston
TCU

Baylor
TTU
CSU
BYU


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(01-27-2022 02:57 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  Travel's going to be a part of the deal in this league, with or without further expansion. You don't have much choice but to regionalize it as best you can with divisions and push forward.

Ironically, that's probably more easily done in a 16-team format than a 12-team one. With pods, you could create regional divisions and manipulate the schedule to limit insane travel, which would especially help for non-revenue sports.

The travel challenges are less about the distance and more about the number of flights each day, which will dictate how difficult the travel is. Stillwater has one airline with probably 3 flights per day, so most teams probably fly to Tulsa and bus. Orlando is actually one of the most accessible cities in the league for every other team with a dozen or more daily flights from major hubs.

I just don’t see the need to expand at this time until we have more certainty about the PAC12 TV deal as well as our own. Anything over 12 is unwieldy, so it truly needs to increase revenues for expanding to be worthwhile.

(01-27-2022 05:43 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  You must really hate Boise State.

Correct. Have you seen the stadium UNLV is playing in? That's another program with a crazy high ceiling if they ever land a decent coach. It's boggles my mind how they have little to no success in their entire history.

Plus I'm old enough to remember Tark the Shark. Man those were great teams.

Oh- and they also have R1 status.

(01-28-2022 01:56 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 04:28 PM)CYOWA Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 02:57 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  Travel's going to be a part of the deal in this league, with or without further expansion. You don't have much choice but to regionalize it as best you can with divisions and push forward.

Ironically, that's probably more easily done in a 16-team format than a 12-team one. With pods, you could create regional divisions and manipulate the schedule to limit insane travel, which would especially help for non-revenue sports.

Ok- who you got in your pods? If I'm to abandon academic standards give me Vegas over Boise, baby:

CINCINNATI
MEMPHIS
UCF
WEST VIRGINIA

IOWA STATE
KU
KANSAS STATE
OKLAHOMA STATE

BAYLOR
HOUSTON
TECH
TCU

BYU
COLORADO STATE
SAN DIEGO STATE
UNLV

Alright I'm game for coming up with pods.

UCF
USF
Cincy
WVU

ISU
Kansas
KSU
OSU

Tulane
Memphis
Houston
TCU

Baylor
TTU
CSU
BYU


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This is pretty cool but BU and TCU would be better in the same pod as would TT and UH. TCU aren't really rivals with Tulane Memphis or Houston but they are with BU TT and BYU.

BU TT, that's funny.

(01-28-2022 01:45 PM)CYOWA Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 05:43 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  You must really hate Boise State.

Correct. Have you seen the stadium UNLV is playing in? That's another program with a crazy high ceiling if they ever land a decent coach. It's boggles my mind how they have little to no success in their entire history.

Plus I'm old enough to remember Tark the Shark. Man those were great teams.

Oh- and they also have R1 status.

If it were just as easy as finding the right coach, UNLV wouldn't be 167-338-3 for its history.

They've had one winning season since going 8-5 in 2000, and that was a 7-6 record in 2013. Including those years, they've averaged 3.55 wins per season over that 22-year span.

UNLV might be a fun road trip for opposing fans, but that would be a disastrous add for the Big 12.

(01-28-2022 02:28 PM)hiphopfroggy Wrote:  

(01-28-2022 01:56 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 04:28 PM)CYOWA Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 02:57 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  Travel's going to be a part of the deal in this league, with or without further expansion. You don't have much choice but to regionalize it as best you can with divisions and push forward.

Ironically, that's probably more easily done in a 16-team format than a 12-team one. With pods, you could create regional divisions and manipulate the schedule to limit insane travel, which would especially help for non-revenue sports.

Ok- who you got in your pods? If I'm to abandon academic standards give me Vegas over Boise, baby:

CINCINNATI
MEMPHIS
UCF
WEST VIRGINIA

IOWA STATE
KU
KANSAS STATE
OKLAHOMA STATE

BAYLOR
HOUSTON
TECH
TCU

BYU
COLORADO STATE
SAN DIEGO STATE
UNLV

Alright I'm game for coming up with pods.

UCF
USF
Cincy
WVU

ISU
Kansas
KSU
OSU

Tulane
Memphis
Houston
TCU

Baylor
TTU
CSU
BYU


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This is pretty cool but BU and TCU would be better in the same pod as would TT and UH. TCU aren't really rivals with Tulane Memphis or Houston but they are with BU TT and BYU.

BU TT, that's funny.

Thanks I'm still getting up to speed on what all the B12 alignments and rivalries are. Tulane I sorta through in as another eastern team to bridge the gap to Florida and someone somewhat close to Memphis. Plus Tulane brings the elite academics and is generally another winable game for most since 3/4ths or more of this league would be very competitive.

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WVU
UC
UConn
Temple

UCF
East Carolina
Memphis
Tulane

ISU
OSU
K-State
KU

BYU
San Diego St
Nevada
Hawaii

TCU
BU
TT
UH

(01-28-2022 02:49 PM)hiphopfroggy Wrote:  WVU
UC
UConn
Temple

UCF
East Carolina
Memphis
Tulane

ISU
OSU
K-State
KU

BYU
San Diego St
Nevada
Hawaii

TCU
BU
TT
UH

UConn football....that is even a worse idea than adding UNLV.

The 20 team conference is a interesting model. I have always thought in my mind that it would be interesting if the top level of CFB ultimately consolidated into 4, 20 team conferences. Which ultimately would really just be for monetizing the media rights.

For football I'd do 2, 10 team divisions in each league with a 9 game round robin. The conference title games essentially become your national quarter-finals and then the 4 conference champs meet in the playoffs.