(01-23-2022 07:55 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 03:16 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 03:14 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 02:28 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 01:38 PM)All4One Wrote:  Yeah, you have members joining the Sun Belt that have no intentions of being there "long-term."

Well one anyway. Marshall and USM are there long term and will be happy in the SBC. JMU too, most likely. But ODU's location and aspirations will have them longing to get that coveted AAC invitation.

Not sure how many times it needs to be said. Old Dominion has no interest in the AAC.


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You've had that conversation with Wood and John? They told you that?

We have a new president now.

Also, I thought all C-USA fans were tired of the ODU AD complaining about trips to Texas and how far-flung the league was. It's worse in the new AAC than the old C-USA.

The money and prestige are both better in the AAC. We won't know until an opening happens in the AAC of course. Harry Minium, beat writer, and ODU fans on-line were adamant that the prestige of being in the AAC and hosting the likes of Navy was something they deserved and desired.

(01-23-2022 08:19 PM)cc22 Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 08:18 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 08:16 PM)cc22 Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 08:13 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 08:10 PM)cc22 Wrote:  https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/

None of those schools are making the other schools more money, though, and its still the name of the game.

That was the point. They aren't making each other money. If you are going strictly off of TV ratings, Memphis is second to only UCF since the inception of the American. All 4 schools are far above the American average though.

The point of the link is there's no eyeballs on schools like Memphis.

Again, what's the argument for the president of Iowa State or Oklahoma State to say "yes, add these schools, we want less money at the end of the day".

If any of those other schools were going to make any school more money, they'd have been invited already.

The argument is that you just added 4 schools just like Memphis. If they were good enough, then so is one more.

If they were, they'd be in.

Anyways, sorry to detour this MTSU thread.

Well if you have 5 schools vying for 4 spots then someone is going to be left out especially when the potential #6 school isn't on the same level as the other 5. This thread is about MTSU taking Memphis' spot in the AAC.

7m>2m. ODU says bye if invited. (See?- short and to the point posts can be done)

(01-23-2022 08:04 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 07:47 PM)cc22 Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 07:26 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 04:18 PM)cc22 Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 04:03 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Memphis helps in basketball.

They are the most serious athletic program currently not in a power basketball conference.

All four programs that were added were due to the strength or potential strength of their football programs. Memphis basketball does nothing to strengthen the conference. People just keep suggesting adding them to the Big 12 because its easy.

One reason the Big 12 can expand to 12 instead of 10 now is that the new TV deal will be coming up - I'd be shocked if the networks that pay the Big 12 will allow them to expand pro rata because there are no programs out there that would provide that value. If they wanted Memphis, they would have taken them now. They didn't, and they're not missing out on money or anything because of it.

Not sure why you hate Memphis, but Memphis has a much larger football fanbase than Houston/Cincy and likewise much better attendance when winning. Memphis also controls their media market which Houston/Cincy don't. Of the expansion candidates, Memphis easily has the most attractive basketball program even without winning anything recently. All of this on top of the fact that Memphis football had won more total games in the history of the American conference than any other team before realignment was announced.

With all of that being said, Cincy was an obvious pick for being the old guard with respectable basketball. It helps that they were the flavor of the week in football too after doing nothing their entire time in the American. UCF has obvious football, fanbase, and location potential. If we are talking about making it in on body of work, Houston should have been in Rd2 and not Memphis. Houston TV numbers are the worst of the 4 AAC schools and their fanbase size is the smallest despite historical success. They made it in because of a mixture of location for big12 tv deals, politics, and because they were a safe pick.

Its a raw deal for Memphis, but the Big12 would be stupid to stop at 12. They will be #13, but #14 is a much harder case to make for anyone.

I don't hate Memphis, I hate the idea of expansion for no reason. How is Kansas or Iowa State in a better position with Memphis in the conference? (You can replace them with any other "candidate"). How is BYU in a better position with Memphis? How is UCF in a better position with Memphis? I'm not asking rhetorically. Bowlsby has discussed schools being "additive" to the league. How does any school that's out there make the other Big 12 schools more money?

More schools, more eyeballs. If you add the wrong schools, you get the CUSA version called "More schools, no eyeballs."

If the Big 12 could push for top 2 teams in CCG regardless of conference format, I would add Memphis alone for 13 teams. They may not add much more financial value, but it’s another team in SEC territory where they can recruit, and I believe they add value for football and basketball to ensure P5 status. I’d give everyone 4 protected rivals and drop down to 8 conference games for the new contract. It’d only be 2 less conference games compared to 9 games with 12 teams (7 more games than 9 games with 12 teams), but gives the Big 12 the potential for more P5 games or maintaining rivalry games non-conference. If other P5 conferences go to 9-10 conference/alliance games, then you can go to 10 conference games. Basketball would likely go to 20, maybe 22, conference games and would be able to work with the Big East and ACC on scheduling crossover games with an odd number of teams during conference play.

(01-23-2022 08:26 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  7m>2m. ODU says bye if invited. (See?- short and to the point posts can be done)

I'll believe that 7m when I see it. The folks going from C-USA to AAC aren't seeing that next year and depending on how things go in the next 7 years might never see that.

(01-22-2022 05:57 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  As I understand it

The rumors were the Marshall told the Sun belt they'd join if JMU and either ODU or WKU also joined. Southern Miss wanted the Sun belt and worked to get that lined up before the other part was lined up. Both JMU (changing football classification) and ODU (budget shortfall like MTSU) had to get their house in order. The Virginia schools were always the preference, WKU was something of a backup should ODU or JMU pass.

Absolutely no mention of MTSU.

Basically the SBC was not terribly interested in schools that left the SBC for C-USA (been there done that thinking). The exception appears to have been North Texas, whom putting 2 and 2 together, seems to have been the school that told the SBC they were waiting on the American before committing. They did in fact get an American invite -- a lot of speculation who that was, with some throwing Charlotte or Marshall out there, but never was any rumor that tied Charlotte to the SBC or Marshall to the AAC; North Texas appears to be the only overlap in interest.

MTSU only shows up as part of WKU's attempt to get in the MAC as a partner. But MTSU after looking into it a bit asked not to be considered.

MTSU, UTEP and Louisiana Tech are committed to C-USA. FIU has little choice, nobody was much interested. UTEP likely sniffed around at the MWC, but even any unlikely remote chance evaporated when the AAC decided to go with six, adding Rice and North Texas to the mix to shut the MWC out of Texas; Truth be told, the MWC was playing strenuous defense to hang on to Colorado State, Air Force and Boise State, so simply were not prepared to make an offer while the window was open (no question they had interest in North Texas and Rice). But UTEP early on was in front of the expansion effort to replace departing schools. WKU is only reluctantly still a member.

New schools coming in have their motives. The WAC is a bad, low revenue high travel cost one bid conference without FBS football and no CFP revenue, no media revenue. So even the sad state of media revenue for C-USA is still an upgrade for the Aggies. Having a built in conference schedule is a life saver, cutting costs and giving football something to play for. The CFP share increase is significant too for the program survival.

Liberty I suspect joined, despite knowing C-USA's problems, because Falwell Jr. is out and professional administrators got control of the books. Getting out of expensive games that were not drawing the crowds to justify them, as Falwell basically bought a schedule, must have been a priority. To replace games with Virginia and BYU with Sam State and Jax State gives a hint at how much that type of scheduling must have cost. The CFP money upgrade also must matter. This is definitely plan B, as they had hoped to be in a regional conference with James Madison, Old Dominion and Marshall. That they joined even after those schools departed for the SBC suggests how bad the books for football must look. The new administrators are not as ego driven as Falwell was, they are not willing to tolerate as much red ink in Athletics.

Jax State and Sam State are joining under the same theory Liberty had in moving up: Get into FBS while there is an opportunity and figure a plan to move forward from there. (That no other FCS schools applied tells you no others are anywhere close to moving up.) They know what they are getting into.

End of the day I only have sympathy for WKU, who are not where they want to be. When the music stopped they were without a chair.

Thanks!

(01-23-2022 03:53 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 02:55 PM)dawgonit Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 02:28 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 01:38 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 01:17 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  I'm not going to list a number of years (because that's ridiculous), but I'll put it this way: if the AAC has to backfill from further Big 12 expansion, I highly doubt they add SBC or MAC schools. ESPN already own the rights to each SBC, MAC, and AAC school, and that is what they care about. Reshuffling their properties is just an unnecessary headache.

Yeah, you have members joining the Sun Belt that have no intentions of being there "long-term."

Well one anyway. Marshall and USM are there long term and will be happy in the SBC. JMU too, most likely. But ODU's location and aspirations will have them longing to get that coveted AAC invitation.

I'd also say that Texas State would have some aspirations of being in a conference with other Texas teams. They would gladly accept an AAC invite, though that's not coming any time soon for them.

Texas State to the AAC won't happen, because North Texas refuses to be in a conference with Texas State. That's straight from former SBC commissioner Karl Benson, who couldn't add Texas State to the SBC until North Texas left.

One of the reasons why I said "though that's not coming any time soon for them"

(01-22-2022 11:14 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(01-22-2022 08:15 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Very short sighted by MTSU. They should've gone to the MAC with WKU. MTSU is making a lot of assumptions. First that the Big 12 is going to expand again in the semi-near future. No guarantee that happens. IF that does happen, MTSU may not even be a major candidate for the AAC. The AAC will have it's pick of the Sunbelt, MAC, and C-USA. The AAC may take Marshall or JMU over MTSU. It would be karma if the AAC took WKU and left MTSU behind. MTSU putting all it's eggs in the AAC basket is foolish imo.

Guys, think rationally for a minute. The AAC is not taking any from the SBC, for the same reason they couldn't take any this round: ESPN owns both leagues. Georgia State, Marshall, Old Dominion, James Madison, Appalachian State, Southern Miss, Louisiana, etc. are off the table.

ESPN owns distribution rights of the SBC, AAC, and MAC. They do not own distribution rights of the MWC and C-USA. If the AAC wants more, and they can't convince Air Force/Colorado State, it will have to be from C-USA, an independent, or FCS.

What ESPN spends for G5 content is the equivalent of lint in their sofa cushions. They didnt block the AAC from taking anyone. And its well documented on the interwebs and Twitter why we were not a candidate for the AAC. We were between Presidents and our AD made the decision that means he continues to sit around with his feet elevated rather than have to riase money.

(01-23-2022 08:34 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 08:04 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 07:47 PM)cc22 Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 07:26 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 04:18 PM)cc22 Wrote:  All four programs that were added were due to the strength or potential strength of their football programs. Memphis basketball does nothing to strengthen the conference. People just keep suggesting adding them to the Big 12 because its easy.

One reason the Big 12 can expand to 12 instead of 10 now is that the new TV deal will be coming up - I'd be shocked if the networks that pay the Big 12 will allow them to expand pro rata because there are no programs out there that would provide that value. If they wanted Memphis, they would have taken them now. They didn't, and they're not missing out on money or anything because of it.

Not sure why you hate Memphis, but Memphis has a much larger football fanbase than Houston/Cincy and likewise much better attendance when winning. Memphis also controls their media market which Houston/Cincy don't. Of the expansion candidates, Memphis easily has the most attractive basketball program even without winning anything recently. All of this on top of the fact that Memphis football had won more total games in the history of the American conference than any other team before realignment was announced.

With all of that being said, Cincy was an obvious pick for being the old guard with respectable basketball. It helps that they were the flavor of the week in football too after doing nothing their entire time in the American. UCF has obvious football, fanbase, and location potential. If we are talking about making it in on body of work, Houston should have been in Rd2 and not Memphis. Houston TV numbers are the worst of the 4 AAC schools and their fanbase size is the smallest despite historical success. They made it in because of a mixture of location for big12 tv deals, politics, and because they were a safe pick.

Its a raw deal for Memphis, but the Big12 would be stupid to stop at 12. They will be #13, but #14 is a much harder case to make for anyone.

I don't hate Memphis, I hate the idea of expansion for no reason. How is Kansas or Iowa State in a better position with Memphis in the conference? (You can replace them with any other "candidate"). How is BYU in a better position with Memphis? How is UCF in a better position with Memphis? I'm not asking rhetorically. Bowlsby has discussed schools being "additive" to the league. How does any school that's out there make the other Big 12 schools more money?

More schools, more eyeballs. If you add the wrong schools, you get the CUSA version called "More schools, no eyeballs."

If the Big 12 could push for top 2 teams in CCG regardless of conference format, I would add Memphis alone for 13 teams. They may not add much more financial value, but it’s another team in SEC territory where they can recruit, and I believe they add value for football and basketball to ensure P5 status. I’d give everyone 4 protected rivals and drop down to 8 conference games for the new contract. It’d only be 2 less conference games compared to 9 games with 12 teams (7 more games than 9 games with 12 teams), but gives the Big 12 the potential for more P5 games or maintaining rivalry games non-conference. If other P5 conferences go to 9-10 conference/alliance games, then you can go to 10 conference games. Basketball would likely go to 20, maybe 22, conference games and would be able to work with the Big East and ACC on scheduling crossover games with an odd number of teams during conference play.

I'm beginning to think Memphis is falling down the ladder of potential candidates and might just have to settle with being top one of the potential top dogs in the G5 for a while. With USF building an on campus stadium, SMU renovating and adding, and then with the potential of going into PAC-12 territory using the MWC I'm not sure there's room anymore.

I'd probably look at teams like SDSU, Boise State, Colorado State, SMU, and USF before Memphis at this point. A true coast to coast conference with Texas as the hub could be very interesting.

(01-26-2022 11:43 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 08:34 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 08:04 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 07:47 PM)cc22 Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 07:26 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Not sure why you hate Memphis, but Memphis has a much larger football fanbase than Houston/Cincy and likewise much better attendance when winning. Memphis also controls their media market which Houston/Cincy don't. Of the expansion candidates, Memphis easily has the most attractive basketball program even without winning anything recently. All of this on top of the fact that Memphis football had won more total games in the history of the American conference than any other team before realignment was announced.

With all of that being said, Cincy was an obvious pick for being the old guard with respectable basketball. It helps that they were the flavor of the week in football too after doing nothing their entire time in the American. UCF has obvious football, fanbase, and location potential. If we are talking about making it in on body of work, Houston should have been in Rd2 and not Memphis. Houston TV numbers are the worst of the 4 AAC schools and their fanbase size is the smallest despite historical success. They made it in because of a mixture of location for big12 tv deals, politics, and because they were a safe pick.

Its a raw deal for Memphis, but the Big12 would be stupid to stop at 12. They will be #13, but #14 is a much harder case to make for anyone.

I don't hate Memphis, I hate the idea of expansion for no reason. How is Kansas or Iowa State in a better position with Memphis in the conference? (You can replace them with any other "candidate"). How is BYU in a better position with Memphis? How is UCF in a better position with Memphis? I'm not asking rhetorically. Bowlsby has discussed schools being "additive" to the league. How does any school that's out there make the other Big 12 schools more money?

More schools, more eyeballs. If you add the wrong schools, you get the CUSA version called "More schools, no eyeballs."

If the Big 12 could push for top 2 teams in CCG regardless of conference format, I would add Memphis alone for 13 teams. They may not add much more financial value, but it’s another team in SEC territory where they can recruit, and I believe they add value for football and basketball to ensure P5 status. I’d give everyone 4 protected rivals and drop down to 8 conference games for the new contract. It’d only be 2 less conference games compared to 9 games with 12 teams (7 more games than 9 games with 12 teams), but gives the Big 12 the potential for more P5 games or maintaining rivalry games non-conference. If other P5 conferences go to 9-10 conference/alliance games, then you can go to 10 conference games. Basketball would likely go to 20, maybe 22, conference games and would be able to work with the Big East and ACC on scheduling crossover games with an odd number of teams during conference play.

I'm beginning to think Memphis is falling down the ladder of potential candidates and might just have to settle with being top one of the potential top dogs in the G5 for a while. With USF building an on campus stadium, SMU renovating and adding, and then with the potential of going into PAC-12 territory using the MWC I'm not sure there's room anymore.

I'd probably look at teams like SDSU, Boise State, Colorado State, SMU, and USF before Memphis at this point. A true coast to coast conference with Texas as the hub could be very interesting.

I agree! My hunch is if the Big 12 does indeed plan to remain at 14 after Texas and Oklahoma leave, I think CSU and either SMU or USF would be chosen ahead of Memphis.

(01-26-2022 12:14 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 11:43 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 08:34 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 08:04 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 07:47 PM)cc22 Wrote:  I don't hate Memphis, I hate the idea of expansion for no reason. How is Kansas or Iowa State in a better position with Memphis in the conference? (You can replace them with any other "candidate"). How is BYU in a better position with Memphis? How is UCF in a better position with Memphis? I'm not asking rhetorically. Bowlsby has discussed schools being "additive" to the league. How does any school that's out there make the other Big 12 schools more money?

More schools, more eyeballs. If you add the wrong schools, you get the CUSA version called "More schools, no eyeballs."

If the Big 12 could push for top 2 teams in CCG regardless of conference format, I would add Memphis alone for 13 teams. They may not add much more financial value, but it’s another team in SEC territory where they can recruit, and I believe they add value for football and basketball to ensure P5 status. I’d give everyone 4 protected rivals and drop down to 8 conference games for the new contract. It’d only be 2 less conference games compared to 9 games with 12 teams (7 more games than 9 games with 12 teams), but gives the Big 12 the potential for more P5 games or maintaining rivalry games non-conference. If other P5 conferences go to 9-10 conference/alliance games, then you can go to 10 conference games. Basketball would likely go to 20, maybe 22, conference games and would be able to work with the Big East and ACC on scheduling crossover games with an odd number of teams during conference play.

I'm beginning to think Memphis is falling down the ladder of potential candidates and might just have to settle with being top one of the potential top dogs in the G5 for a while. With USF building an on campus stadium, SMU renovating and adding, and then with the potential of going into PAC-12 territory using the MWC I'm not sure there's room anymore.

I'd probably look at teams like SDSU, Boise State, Colorado State, SMU, and USF before Memphis at this point. A true coast to coast conference with Texas as the hub could be very interesting.

I agree! My hunch is if the Big 12 does indeed plan to remain at 14 after Texas and Oklahoma leave, I think CSU and either SMU or USF would be chosen ahead of Memphis.

I concur...if the Big 12 plans to stay at 14 after Texas and Oklahoma leave for the SEC...then the Big XII most likely goes for SMU and USF ahead of Memphis....

if the Big 12 goes for 16 for some reason...then the Big XII can add Memphis along with Boise St...

(01-26-2022 01:08 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 12:14 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 11:43 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 08:34 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 08:04 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  More schools, more eyeballs. If you add the wrong schools, you get the CUSA version called "More schools, no eyeballs."

If the Big 12 could push for top 2 teams in CCG regardless of conference format, I would add Memphis alone for 13 teams. They may not add much more financial value, but it’s another team in SEC territory where they can recruit, and I believe they add value for football and basketball to ensure P5 status. I’d give everyone 4 protected rivals and drop down to 8 conference games for the new contract. It’d only be 2 less conference games compared to 9 games with 12 teams (7 more games than 9 games with 12 teams), but gives the Big 12 the potential for more P5 games or maintaining rivalry games non-conference. If other P5 conferences go to 9-10 conference/alliance games, then you can go to 10 conference games. Basketball would likely go to 20, maybe 22, conference games and would be able to work with the Big East and ACC on scheduling crossover games with an odd number of teams during conference play.

I'm beginning to think Memphis is falling down the ladder of potential candidates and might just have to settle with being top one of the potential top dogs in the G5 for a while. With USF building an on campus stadium, SMU renovating and adding, and then with the potential of going into PAC-12 territory using the MWC I'm not sure there's room anymore.

I'd probably look at teams like SDSU, Boise State, Colorado State, SMU, and USF before Memphis at this point. A true coast to coast conference with Texas as the hub could be very interesting.

I agree! My hunch is if the Big 12 does indeed plan to remain at 14 after Texas and Oklahoma leave, I think CSU and either SMU or USF would be chosen ahead of Memphis.

I concur...if the Big 12 plans to stay at 14 after Texas and Oklahoma leave for the SEC...then the Big XII most likely goes for SMU and USF ahead of Memphis....

if the Big 12 goes for 16 for some reason...then the Big XII can add Memphis along with Boise St...

SMU really stands no chance even though I feel like they belong institutionally. SMU has no fanbase even when winning and isn't a juggernaut at either sport. They have pretty bad TV ratings and share a member city already. USF or Boise for #14 is an interesting argument because their strengths are wildly different. Really none of these schools are as well rounded where it matters as Memphis is. CSU might have a chance in the future if 16 is an option but no way at 14. Likeliest scenario I see is Memphis/Boise for 14. CSU/USF for 16 once the Big12 realizes they can't poach P5s.

(01-26-2022 01:40 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 01:08 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 12:14 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 11:43 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 08:34 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  If the Big 12 could push for top 2 teams in CCG regardless of conference format, I would add Memphis alone for 13 teams. They may not add much more financial value, but it’s another team in SEC territory where they can recruit, and I believe they add value for football and basketball to ensure P5 status. I’d give everyone 4 protected rivals and drop down to 8 conference games for the new contract. It’d only be 2 less conference games compared to 9 games with 12 teams (7 more games than 9 games with 12 teams), but gives the Big 12 the potential for more P5 games or maintaining rivalry games non-conference. If other P5 conferences go to 9-10 conference/alliance games, then you can go to 10 conference games. Basketball would likely go to 20, maybe 22, conference games and would be able to work with the Big East and ACC on scheduling crossover games with an odd number of teams during conference play.

I'm beginning to think Memphis is falling down the ladder of potential candidates and might just have to settle with being top one of the potential top dogs in the G5 for a while. With USF building an on campus stadium, SMU renovating and adding, and then with the potential of going into PAC-12 territory using the MWC I'm not sure there's room anymore.

I'd probably look at teams like SDSU, Boise State, Colorado State, SMU, and USF before Memphis at this point. A true coast to coast conference with Texas as the hub could be very interesting.

I agree! My hunch is if the Big 12 does indeed plan to remain at 14 after Texas and Oklahoma leave, I think CSU and either SMU or USF would be chosen ahead of Memphis.

I concur...if the Big 12 plans to stay at 14 after Texas and Oklahoma leave for the SEC...then the Big XII most likely goes for SMU and USF ahead of Memphis....

if the Big 12 goes for 16 for some reason...then the Big XII can add Memphis along with Boise St...

SMU really stands no chance even though I feel like they belong institutionally. SMU has no fanbase even when winning and isn't a juggernaut at either sport. They have pretty bad TV ratings and share a member city already. USF or Boise for #14 is an interesting argument because their strengths are wildly different. Really none of these schools are as well rounded where it matters as Memphis is. CSU might have a chance in the future if 16 is an option but no way at 14. Likeliest scenario I see is Memphis/Boise for 14. CSU/USF for 16 once the Big12 realizes they can't poach P5s.

USF has a problem now sharing a conference with FAU, IMO.

It’s not done yet I don’t think. I’d say the endgame is 16 team P5 conferences. IF….the B1G goes to 16, if I am them I give Notre Dame carte Blanche to join and poach UVA from the ACC. That opens up a spot for some shuffling. Perhaps the ACC picks up Memphis at that point….

(01-30-2022 04:13 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  It’s not done yet I don’t think. I’d say the endgame is 16 team P5 conferences. IF….the B1G goes to 16, if I am them I give Notre Dame carte Blanche to join and poach UVA from the ACC. That opens up a spot for some shuffling. Perhaps the ACC picks up Memphis at that point….

ACC would add USF before Memphis. More utility for them to have another Florida presence.

XII takes Memphis/SMU and that leaves the ACC at 12 with basically the same geography as they have now. Do they see reason to expand at all? Does anyone from the MWC, MAC or SBC want in at that point?