(11-08-2021 08:30 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 08:27 PM)deb025 Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 08:25 PM)wkufirst Wrote:  I despise MTSU

Do not become the new ODU in this version of CUSA. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised how this new version will turn out.

I’m afraid WKU will become the new Marshall ...... always looking for a reason to jump ship and always pissed off

I think we're all looking for the first boat out of here, except for maybe MTSU.

(11-08-2021 08:33 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 08:27 PM)deb025 Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 08:25 PM)wkufirst Wrote:  I despise MTSU

Do not become the new ODU in this version of CUSA. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised how this new version will turn out.

Most Western fans are just like ODU, S. Miss, Marshall...always someone else fault. I'm just going to do a copy and paste from a Western board on my thoughts.

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Since just about all the older fans and I will use the ages 45 up in that group are basketball first fans and seem to love the MAC....

look up the rpi or net or any other set of numbers you want to use for the last 5 years. Do it for the MAC and the schools below

Liberty
Jacksonville St
SHSU
NMSU
Tech
UTEP
FIU
Middle
Western

You can also add in Mo St (MVC) because if Western and Middle stay in CUSA they are the most likely to be the 10th and finial member

east
Middle
Western
Liberty
Jacksonville St
FIU

West
Tech
UTEP
SHSU
NMST
Mo St

Bet CUSA 4.0 is head and shoulders better at basketball. Three years from now once Middle gets back on track and Jacksonville St and SHSU gets 3 FBS recruiting classes under their belt. The football side has a very good chance at passing the SBC and AAC and especially the MAC. The SBC just bloated their bottom by adding 3 bottom feeder football schools. The AAC just added 4 to their bottom

If anyone believe a school in the MAC moves the needle in football or basketball. You are mistaken. The same goes for the SBC and the new AAC. There's not one name, once Memphis is gone in either of those conference that in basketball...

moves the needle

Not any at all for football... A win over JSU, SHSU,Mo St, is just as good as a win over ODU, S.Miss, JMU, FAU, UTSA, UNT, Rice, UAB. No one is moving the needle

As for money as a conference CUSA 3.0 paid out more than the MAC. Also more on donations and tickets sold. The MAC schools are getting 675k a year from espn while CUSA is getting around 400k

There's around 33 to 40 million on the table to split between the 5 CUSA schools left. And it will cost Western or Middle 5 to 7 million to leave that money and pay the MAC

at 275k a year that the MAC makes over CUSA a school is looking at 20 years to make up what they are leaving or have to pay. For what? The fat, ugly, girl, just because she wont leave us like the others have.

. BTW if Western and Middle went to the MAC both wou;ld be in the west division....

with all the Michigan school and N. Ill and Ball St would move to the east

Stop Guns! You're making too much sense!

I am a big fan of what you've proposed. This has the potential to be a net positive in the long-run...and make for some fun new rivalries (Liberty, MO State, Jax State as long as Harper is their coach, etc).

(11-08-2021 08:46 PM)Hilltopper2K Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 08:42 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 08:25 PM)wkufirst Wrote:  I despise MTSU

That "100 mile" revelry will really be hot in coming years.

Only if they can win one every once in a while.

I think you mean “HELL YEAH!!!“ some people in Springfield just got very excited.


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(11-08-2021 08:50 PM)MSUBear42 Wrote:  I think you mean “HELL YEAH!!!“ some people in Springfield just got very excited.


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If Missouri State were to be the 10th and final member of CUSA, I'd say we just hit the jackpot and this is going to be a great conference.

(11-08-2021 08:50 PM)MSUBear42 Wrote:  I think you mean “HELL YEAH!!!“ some people in Springfield just got very excited.


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I really look forward to having you guys as conference mates, especially in basketball and baseball. I think your football will be a solid add too, in time.

C-USA "4.0" is a well balanced conference. Don't overlook the value of basketball, the NCAA credit can equal or exceed CFP payouts in this new version of C-USA.

(11-08-2021 08:37 PM)deb025 Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 08:26 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 08:24 PM)deb025 Wrote:  I hope it's true! Let's do this CUSA! Missouri St. pack your bags son!

How would you split the divisions?

I say

NMSU
UTEP
SHSU
Missouri St
LA Tech

WKU
MTSU
Jacksonville St
FIU
Liberty

That looks fine for football. It doesn't matter in basketball and baseball though, right? Basketball just went to divisions last year for Covid, I believe. I don't see any issues if we keep the number of teams in CUSA low, no more than 10 or 12 for football. We could pull some good basketball and baseball schools though. Looking at you DBU for baseball.

DBU may be more apt to join for baseball if MO State gets the invite.


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(11-08-2021 08:45 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 08:30 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 08:27 PM)deb025 Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 08:25 PM)wkufirst Wrote:  I despise MTSU

Do not become the new ODU in this version of CUSA. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised how this new version will turn out.

I’m afraid WKU will become the new Marshall ...... always looking for a reason to jump ship and always pissed off

Nope. That'll never happen. We have some fans who are gonna be pissed off but that's true with any fanbase. All WKU wanted was to do was get off this f'ing conference carousel. The MAC was our only viable option to get to a stable conference in the general geographic area. Since it appears the MAC is not on the dance card for us, we have no other options out there.

The disgruntled fans will come around eventually. WKU will help cement the new CUSA and, although not a geographically compact conference and likely not stable long-term, it could be a solid conference if it stays small. I really hope we stay at 9 schools but no more than 10. Basketball is gonna be solid in this conference with WKU, LaTech, MUTS, NMSU, UTEP, and Liberty. Football will be weak in the short term but it's not like we've been in a strong football conference since we joined FBS a decade ago anyway.

I wavered between staying here or going to the MAC. The appeal of the MAC was that it was stable and we could develop some new rivalries with like-minded schools. But in the end, I'm OK either way. It's gonna be a struggle in the short-term but the good thing is CUSA has new life and can move forward.

I think football can be just as strong at the top of course that means some schools keep on winning and Middle to get back there and UTEP to not fall back to 1 or 2 wins.

SHSU plays the type of offense that with the correct QB and WR and a decent RB, they can win early in FBS. We all seen what a good system with the correct qb and coach can do at CC. On the field they were no better off than SHSU when they moved up.

I believe Middle will have two new head coaches after next season. So they better get both right and if they do you have a top that competes with any other FBS conference...

Tech
Liberty
Western
Middle

The key will to keep the bottom really small ..2 no more than 3 and have a middle that competes for a top every couple years.

I'm looking at this as a great chance to build a conference that is good in football and basketball. I honestly see that taken place in 3 years. If CUSA 4.0 stays small...9 no more than 10 and hopefully Mo St as the 10th

As I said no one in the MAC, SBC or new AAC moves the needle if you beat them. Not one school so CUSA 4.0 is not fighting against strong conferences to win a place in the pecking order


Thank you Middle for making the correct decision.

(11-08-2021 08:52 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 08:50 PM)MSUBear42 Wrote:  I think you mean “HELL YEAH!!!“ some people in Springfield just got very excited.


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If Missouri State were to be the 10th and final member of CUSA, I'd say we just hit the jackpot and this is going to be a great conference.

AGREED. Sometimes things work out like they're supposed to.

Actually 14 is better for Olympic sports than 10, and for football it doesn't matter.

With 14 members it's much easier to schedule regionally for Olympic sports.

(11-08-2021 08:59 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  Actually 14 is better for Olympic sports than 10, and for football it doesn't matter.

With 14 members it's much easier to schedule regionally for Olympic sports.

14 is far too many for basketball. Too many bottom dwellers spoils it for everyone because it brings down your rankings. A 10 team league means 18 conference basketball games...which opens you up for some additional OOC games to build a resume.

I never understood being in a conference and not playing everyone in everything. CUSA 4.0 is not anyone’s dream come true but I really hope we leave it as is. I really hope we don’t add anymore. Especially for divisions or regions.

(11-08-2021 08:59 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  Actually 14 is better for Olympic sports than 10, and for football it doesn't matter.

With 14 members it's much easier to schedule regionally for Olympic sports.

Strongly disagree. KEEP IT SMALL. One autobid in basketball is better shared by 10 teams than it is by 14. With 10 you will play every team home and home and have a true regular season champion. 10 is good.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if CUSA ends up at 12 in case NCAA makes it more difficult for FCS teams from moving up in the future.

(11-08-2021 08:27 PM)deb025 Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 08:25 PM)wkufirst Wrote:  I despise MTSU

Do not become the new ODU in this version of CUSA. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised how this new version will turn out.

Not to start anything, but what did we do?? (Genuinely just curious. Seen us mentioned negatively a lot recently)

(11-08-2021 09:05 PM)Hilltopper2K Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 08:59 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  Actually 14 is better for Olympic sports than 10, and for football it doesn't matter.

With 14 members it's much easier to schedule regionally for Olympic sports.

Strongly disagree. KEEP IT SMALL. One autobid in basketball is better shared by 10 teams than it is by 14. With 10 you will play every team home and home and have a true regular season champion. 10 is good.

I'm worried (if MT stays) that C-USA will get saddled with UALR and UT-A

(11-08-2021 08:59 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  Actually 14 is better for Olympic sports than 10, and for football it doesn't matter.

With 14 members it's much easier to schedule regionally for Olympic sports.

5 schools just got paid millions of dollars so they should be able to afford to spend a few 100k extra on travel.

Start small and once you gain a footing then add from a position of strength if you need to. The key is to have the smallest bottom you can because then a good top can over come it.

When that bottom gets bloated with 4 or 5 schools always there. Its a lot harder for a 3 or 4 school top to over come it. If CUSA 4.0 makes the same mistakes and goes to 12 or 14 the conference most likely will always be a bottom feeder

grow as you strengthen the foundation not just to save a few dollars that will limit future growth

(11-08-2021 09:07 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 08:59 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  Actually 14 is better for Olympic sports than 10, and for football it doesn't matter.

With 14 members it's much easier to schedule regionally for Olympic sports.

5 schools just got paid millions of dollars so they should be able to afford to spend a few 100k extra on travel.

Start small and once you gain a footing then add from a position of strength if you need to. The key is to have the smallest bottom you can because then a good top can over come it.

When that bottom gets bloated with 4 or 5 schools always there. Its a lot harder for a 3 or 4 school top to over come it. If CUSA 4.0 makes the same mistakes and goes to 12 or 14 the conference most likely will always be a bottom feeder

grow as you strengthen the foundation not just to save a few dollars that will limit future growth

Afraid MT will give raises and extensions to coaches and admins who should no longer be around.

(11-08-2021 08:27 PM)deb025 Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 08:25 PM)wkufirst Wrote:  I despise MTSU

Do not become the new ODU in this version of CUSA. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised how this new version will turn out.

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