(10-12-2021 12:00 PM)freshtop Wrote:  Again, I don't think this really has a snowballs chance of happening, but I think that exit fees and credit payments aren't much of a hurdle. They could still be split among the former teams over time.

ECU and Temple would most likely be able to backfill, which would largely result in a similar conference to what I posted. The problem ECU and Temple will encounter is a similar problem to what the current makeup of C-USA is facing. If we lose programs from either side (East/West) the East teams will want replacements close to them, as will the West. At some point, it makes more sense just to shake hands and wave goodbye than to try and satisfy both halves simultaneously.

And you make that work the best way possible by adding the best available replacements on both sides. Tulsa and Tulane would just pick the collection of schools they think would best fill out their division, probably something like Rice/UNT/UAB (they could really be east or west)/UTSA, and then ECU/Temple pick the best to fill out an east division and that's "regional" enough. C-USA wouldn't really have a big issue except for UTEP, who's further west than the 2 Colorado schools the AAC tried to add. Even losing teams from both sides C-USA could have 2 divisions that make sense regionally. This whole hyper regional thing seems to be a desire out of the former FCS schools to recreate what you just recently left.

(10-12-2021 12:20 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 12:00 PM)freshtop Wrote:  Again, I don't think this really has a snowballs chance of happening, but I think that exit fees and credit payments aren't much of a hurdle. They could still be split among the former teams over time.

ECU and Temple would most likely be able to backfill, which would largely result in a similar conference to what I posted. The problem ECU and Temple will encounter is a similar problem to what the current makeup of C-USA is facing. If we lose programs from either side (East/West) the East teams will want replacements close to them, as will the West. At some point, it makes more sense just to shake hands and wave goodbye than to try and satisfy both halves simultaneously.

And you make that work the best way possible by adding the best available replacements on both sides. Tulsa and Tulane would just pick the collection of schools they think would best fill out their division, probably something like Rice/UNT/UAB (they could really be east or west)/UTSA, and then ECU/Temple pick the best to fill out an east division and that's "regional" enough. C-USA wouldn't really have a big issue except for UTEP, who's further west than the 2 Colorado schools the AAC tried to add. Even losing teams from both sides C-USA could have 2 divisions that make sense regionally. This whole hyper regional thing seems to be a desire out of the former FCS schools to recreate what you just recently left.

I’m not sure the AAC is going to be worth moving to when the next dominoes fall. I’m not sure it is now.

(10-12-2021 12:34 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 12:20 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 12:00 PM)freshtop Wrote:  Again, I don't think this really has a snowballs chance of happening, but I think that exit fees and credit payments aren't much of a hurdle. They could still be split among the former teams over time.

ECU and Temple would most likely be able to backfill, which would largely result in a similar conference to what I posted. The problem ECU and Temple will encounter is a similar problem to what the current makeup of C-USA is facing. If we lose programs from either side (East/West) the East teams will want replacements close to them, as will the West. At some point, it makes more sense just to shake hands and wave goodbye than to try and satisfy both halves simultaneously.

And you make that work the best way possible by adding the best available replacements on both sides. Tulsa and Tulane would just pick the collection of schools they think would best fill out their division, probably something like Rice/UNT/UAB (they could really be east or west)/UTSA, and then ECU/Temple pick the best to fill out an east division and that's "regional" enough. C-USA wouldn't really have a big issue except for UTEP, who's further west than the 2 Colorado schools the AAC tried to add. Even losing teams from both sides C-USA could have 2 divisions that make sense regionally. This whole hyper regional thing seems to be a desire out of the former FCS schools to recreate what you just recently left.

I’m not sure the AAC is going to be worth moving to when the next dominoes fall. I’m not sure it is now.

I remember arguing and saying the same thing in 2012 after Tulane got invited to the Big East ahead of ECU. Still will be worth moving to, not for some massive financial windfall, but just to reorganize and associate with a few schools you'd probably rather be with and no nice way to say this ditch some schools you wouldn't. Just your school in particular, ODU would absolutely love the idea of being in a FB league with ECU and a basketball league with Temple. Same applies to Charlotte and Marshall. Also C-USA is so disjointed with such terrible leadership that you'd jump just to be rid of that and restart vs the idea that you'd hold out in hopes of getting like in a worst case scenario ECU/Temple/Tulane to dissolve the AAC and rejoin C-USA. Those 3 would be so flush with exit fee cash they could just waive all entrance fees and even pay all exit fees if they needed to get whoever they wanted to join, and it would absolutely be worth more than what C-USA is worth currently.

https://www.si.com/college/2021/10/12/co...t-football

Hmm. Appears the Sun Belt will not be included in this proposal. Also the “American” and “Conference USA” would both be defunct brands I guess. Interested to see if presidents actually go for this.

(10-12-2021 12:54 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  https://www.si.com/college/2021/10/12/co...t-football

Hmm. Appears the Sun Belt will not be included in this proposal. Also the “American” and “Conference USA” would both be defunct brands I guess. Interested to see if presidents actually go for this.

Makes too much sense to happen. AAC will take whoever they want and both leagues will remain over-extended dying brands.

(10-12-2021 12:58 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 12:54 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  https://www.si.com/college/2021/10/12/co...t-football

Hmm. Appears the Sun Belt will not be included in this proposal. Also the “American” and “Conference USA” would both be defunct brands I guess. Interested to see if presidents actually go for this.

Makes too much sense to happen. AAC will take whoever they want and both leagues will remain over-extended dying brands.

SMU, North Texas, Rice, UTEP, Southern Miss, Tulane, Tulsa, Louisiana Tech, Wichita State, UAB, Memphis and UTSA like the article states is actually something I wouldn’t mind. I was totally against it if they were throwing UAB together with South Alabama, Troy, Georgia Southern. But this? It seems this could be a very competitive and fun group. Very similar to what UAB already plays in CUSA west anyway

(10-12-2021 12:58 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 12:54 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  https://www.si.com/college/2021/10/12/co...t-football

Hmm. Appears the Sun Belt will not be included in this proposal. Also the “American” and “Conference USA” would both be defunct brands I guess. Interested to see if presidents actually go for this.

Makes too much sense to happen. AAC will take whoever they want and both leagues will remain over-extended dying brands.

i see how this makes sense for CUSA schools, but my guess is the AAC schools don't think it makes sense.

Wow temple goes from a 1600 mile trip to SMU to a 1200 mile trip to Miami.

(10-12-2021 12:58 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 12:54 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  https://www.si.com/college/2021/10/12/co...t-football

Hmm. Appears the Sun Belt will not be included in this proposal. Also the “American” and “Conference USA” would both be defunct brands I guess. Interested to see if presidents actually go for this.

Makes too much sense to happen. AAC will take whoever they want and both leagues will remain over-extended dying brands.

The problem with geographical conferences is that geography becomes the ONLY variable in the equation. It's just not reflective of reality.

Judy talking to the media about her proposal is an indication that this will never happen.

The only way it would EVER happen is if ESPN told the AAC that they were going to be gutted on the next contract, and that they'd be willing to pony up for both "new" conferences as a way to guarantee the AAC revenue stays remotely close to the existing contract.

And if that was the case, all parties would already be on board and the trial balloon wouldn't be floated. It's DOA, and yet another embarrassment for C-USA.

(10-12-2021 12:53 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 12:34 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 12:20 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 12:00 PM)freshtop Wrote:  Again, I don't think this really has a snowballs chance of happening, but I think that exit fees and credit payments aren't much of a hurdle. They could still be split among the former teams over time.

ECU and Temple would most likely be able to backfill, which would largely result in a similar conference to what I posted. The problem ECU and Temple will encounter is a similar problem to what the current makeup of C-USA is facing. If we lose programs from either side (East/West) the East teams will want replacements close to them, as will the West. At some point, it makes more sense just to shake hands and wave goodbye than to try and satisfy both halves simultaneously.

And you make that work the best way possible by adding the best available replacements on both sides. Tulsa and Tulane would just pick the collection of schools they think would best fill out their division, probably something like Rice/UNT/UAB (they could really be east or west)/UTSA, and then ECU/Temple pick the best to fill out an east division and that's "regional" enough. C-USA wouldn't really have a big issue except for UTEP, who's further west than the 2 Colorado schools the AAC tried to add. Even losing teams from both sides C-USA could have 2 divisions that make sense regionally. This whole hyper regional thing seems to be a desire out of the former FCS schools to recreate what you just recently left.

I’m not sure the AAC is going to be worth moving to when the next dominoes fall. I’m not sure it is now.

I remember arguing and saying the same thing in 2012 after Tulane got invited to the Big East ahead of ECU. Still will be worth moving to, not for some massive financial windfall, but just to reorganize and associate with a few schools you'd probably rather be with and no nice way to say this ditch some schools you wouldn't. Just your school in particular, ODU would absolutely love the idea of being in a FB league with ECU and a basketball league with Temple. Same applies to Charlotte and Marshall. Also C-USA is so disjointed with such terrible leadership that you'd jump just to be rid of that and restart vs the idea that you'd hold out in hopes of getting like in a worst case scenario ECU/Temple/Tulane to dissolve the AAC and rejoin C-USA. Those 3 would be so flush with exit fee cash they could just waive all entrance fees and even pay all exit fees if they needed to get whoever they wanted to join, and it would absolutely be worth more than what C-USA is worth currently.

Yes we’d like all those things without having to travel to Texas anymore. As the AAC money dries up so does your leverage and this regionalization idea makes more and more sense. There’s almost nothing left to the AAC but warts, your warts are better than our warts but that plus an extra million dollars or so is not worth the exit/entrance fees so why don’t you save some of that cash you’ll be flush with (maybe you can payback some to the academics), put egos aside and come to the table?

(10-12-2021 01:04 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 12:58 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 12:54 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  https://www.si.com/college/2021/10/12/co...t-football

Hmm. Appears the Sun Belt will not be included in this proposal. Also the “American” and “Conference USA” would both be defunct brands I guess. Interested to see if presidents actually go for this.

Makes too much sense to happen. AAC will take whoever they want and both leagues will remain over-extended dying brands.

i see how this makes sense for CUSA schools, but my guess is the AAC schools don't think it makes sense.

Wow temple goes from a 1600 mile trip to SMU to a 1200 mile trip to Miami.

Well Tampa’s not too much closer so it’s not like you’re giving up one for the other.

(10-12-2021 01:34 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 01:04 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 12:58 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 12:54 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  https://www.si.com/college/2021/10/12/co...t-football

Hmm. Appears the Sun Belt will not be included in this proposal. Also the “American” and “Conference USA” would both be defunct brands I guess. Interested to see if presidents actually go for this.

Makes too much sense to happen. AAC will take whoever they want and both leagues will remain over-extended dying brands.

i see how this makes sense for CUSA schools, but my guess is the AAC schools don't think it makes sense.

Wow temple goes from a 1600 mile trip to SMU to a 1200 mile trip to Miami.

Well Tampa’s not too much closer so it’s not like you’re giving up one for the other.

Assuming this also wouldn’t be a division-less conference like the current AAC and they’d probably wouldn’t have to make that long journey too often

(10-12-2021 01:32 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 12:53 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 12:34 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 12:20 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 12:00 PM)freshtop Wrote:  Again, I don't think this really has a snowballs chance of happening, but I think that exit fees and credit payments aren't much of a hurdle. They could still be split among the former teams over time.

ECU and Temple would most likely be able to backfill, which would largely result in a similar conference to what I posted. The problem ECU and Temple will encounter is a similar problem to what the current makeup of C-USA is facing. If we lose programs from either side (East/West) the East teams will want replacements close to them, as will the West. At some point, it makes more sense just to shake hands and wave goodbye than to try and satisfy both halves simultaneously.

And you make that work the best way possible by adding the best available replacements on both sides. Tulsa and Tulane would just pick the collection of schools they think would best fill out their division, probably something like Rice/UNT/UAB (they could really be east or west)/UTSA, and then ECU/Temple pick the best to fill out an east division and that's "regional" enough. C-USA wouldn't really have a big issue except for UTEP, who's further west than the 2 Colorado schools the AAC tried to add. Even losing teams from both sides C-USA could have 2 divisions that make sense regionally. This whole hyper regional thing seems to be a desire out of the former FCS schools to recreate what you just recently left.

I’m not sure the AAC is going to be worth moving to when the next dominoes fall. I’m not sure it is now.

I remember arguing and saying the same thing in 2012 after Tulane got invited to the Big East ahead of ECU. Still will be worth moving to, not for some massive financial windfall, but just to reorganize and associate with a few schools you'd probably rather be with and no nice way to say this ditch some schools you wouldn't. Just your school in particular, ODU would absolutely love the idea of being in a FB league with ECU and a basketball league with Temple. Same applies to Charlotte and Marshall. Also C-USA is so disjointed with such terrible leadership that you'd jump just to be rid of that and restart vs the idea that you'd hold out in hopes of getting like in a worst case scenario ECU/Temple/Tulane to dissolve the AAC and rejoin C-USA. Those 3 would be so flush with exit fee cash they could just waive all entrance fees and even pay all exit fees if they needed to get whoever they wanted to join, and it would absolutely be worth more than what C-USA is worth currently.

Yes we’d like all those things without having to travel to Texas anymore. As the AAC money dries up so does your leverage and this regionalization idea makes more and more sense. There’s almost nothing left to the AAC but warts, your warts are better than our warts but that plus an extra million dollars or so is not worth the exit/entrance fees so why don’t you save some of that cash you’ll be flush with (maybe you can payback some to the academics), put egos aside and come to the table?

Thinking egos of university presidents would ever be put aside might be your worst mistake. AAC leftovers would waive entrance fees and pay exit fees before they’d put aside their egos and associate with schools they don’t want to, and they’d have the money to do it. They probably wouldn’t have to though.

(10-12-2021 12:54 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  https://www.si.com/college/2021/10/12/co...t-football

Hmm. Appears the Sun Belt will not be included in this proposal. Also the “American” and “Conference USA” would both be defunct brands I guess. Interested to see if presidents actually go for this.

Interesting approach. I like it. I wonder if two eastern SBC schools would join that new eastern conference?

(10-12-2021 01:44 PM)galojah Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 12:54 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  https://www.si.com/college/2021/10/12/co...t-football

Hmm. Appears the Sun Belt will not be included in this proposal. Also the “American” and “Conference USA” would both be defunct brands I guess. Interested to see if presidents actually go for this.

Interesting approach. I like it. I wonder if two eastern SBC schools would join that new eastern conference?

I wondered the same.

(10-12-2021 01:00 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 12:58 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 12:54 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  https://www.si.com/college/2021/10/12/co...t-football

Hmm. Appears the Sun Belt will not be included in this proposal. Also the “American” and “Conference USA” would both be defunct brands I guess. Interested to see if presidents actually go for this.

Makes too much sense to happen. AAC will take whoever they want and both leagues will remain over-extended dying brands.

SMU, North Texas, Rice, UTEP, Southern Miss, Tulane, Tulsa, Louisiana Tech, Wichita State, UAB, Memphis and UTSA like the article states is actually something I wouldn’t mind. I was totally against it if they were throwing UAB together with South Alabama, Troy, Georgia Southern. But this? It seems this could be a very competitive and fun group. Very similar to what UAB already plays in CUSA west anyway

I agree. That west "division" is GREAT IMO. That's 12 solid athletic programs! And nobody has to pay entrance and exit fees to make it happen. (I don't think.) The question is, would SMU, Tulsa, Tulane and Memphis got for it? They are prepared to invite at least 2 western CUSA schools anyway, so maybe this "regionalization" plan without the Sunbelt involved, has a chance?

(10-12-2021 01:48 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 01:00 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 12:58 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 12:54 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  https://www.si.com/college/2021/10/12/co...t-football

Hmm. Appears the Sun Belt will not be included in this proposal. Also the “American” and “Conference USA” would both be defunct brands I guess. Interested to see if presidents actually go for this.

Makes too much sense to happen. AAC will take whoever they want and both leagues will remain over-extended dying brands.

SMU, North Texas, Rice, UTEP, Southern Miss, Tulane, Tulsa, Louisiana Tech, Wichita State, UAB, Memphis and UTSA like the article states is actually something I wouldn’t mind. I was totally against it if they were throwing UAB together with South Alabama, Troy, Georgia Southern. But this? It seems this could be a very competitive and fun group. Very similar to what UAB already plays in CUSA west anyway

I agree. That west "division" is GREAT IMO. That's 12 solid athletic programs! And nobody has to pay entrance and exit fees to make it happen. (I don't think.) The question is, would SMU, Tulsa, Tulane and Memphis got for it?

Not sure. Tbh, the basketball would be good too. UAB, LA Tech, and North Texas takes CUSA’s best basketball (minus WKU) and combines it with Witchita State, Memphis, SMU, and Tulsa? That would easily be a multi bid league

(10-12-2021 01:51 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 01:48 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 01:00 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 12:58 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 12:54 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  https://www.si.com/college/2021/10/12/co...t-football

Hmm. Appears the Sun Belt will not be included in this proposal. Also the “American” and “Conference USA” would both be defunct brands I guess. Interested to see if presidents actually go for this.

Makes too much sense to happen. AAC will take whoever they want and both leagues will remain over-extended dying brands.

SMU, North Texas, Rice, UTEP, Southern Miss, Tulane, Tulsa, Louisiana Tech, Wichita State, UAB, Memphis and UTSA like the article states is actually something I wouldn’t mind. I was totally against it if they were throwing UAB together with South Alabama, Troy, Georgia Southern. But this? It seems this could be a very competitive and fun group. Very similar to what UAB already plays in CUSA west anyway

I agree. That west "division" is GREAT IMO. That's 12 solid athletic programs! And nobody has to pay entrance and exit fees to make it happen. (I don't think.) The question is, would SMU, Tulsa, Tulane and Memphis got for it?

Not sure. Tbh, the basketball would be good too. UAB, LA Tech, and North Texas takes CUSA’s best basketball (minus WKU) and combines it with Witchita State, Memphis, SMU, and Tulsa? That would easily be a multi bid league

I agree. That's a killer basketball league by itself.

(10-12-2021 01:00 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 12:58 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 12:54 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  https://www.si.com/college/2021/10/12/co...t-football

Hmm. Appears the Sun Belt will not be included in this proposal. Also the “American” and “Conference USA” would both be defunct brands I guess. Interested to see if presidents actually go for this.

Makes too much sense to happen. AAC will take whoever they want and both leagues will remain over-extended dying brands.

SMU, North Texas, Rice, UTEP, Southern Miss, Tulane, Tulsa, Louisiana Tech, Wichita State, UAB, Memphis and UTSA like the article states is actually something I wouldn’t mind. I was totally against it if they were throwing UAB together with South Alabama, Troy, Georgia Southern. But this? It seems this could be a very competitive and fun group. Very similar to what UAB already plays in CUSA west anyway

I would love it. I'm sure all the Eastern Teams feel the same way. But it is never happening.

(10-12-2021 01:44 PM)galojah Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 12:54 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  https://www.si.com/college/2021/10/12/co...t-football

Hmm. Appears the Sun Belt will not be included in this proposal. Also the “American” and “Conference USA” would both be defunct brands I guess. Interested to see if presidents actually go for this.

Interesting approach. I like it. I wonder if two eastern SBC schools would join that new eastern conference?

I also like it, but this is a Hail Mary long shot for sure.

clt says JUDY SPEAKS!