(10-11-2021 10:14 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 09:31 PM)PureGold Wrote:  So does anybody have any info on the presentation? It's already 10:30pm ET.

Just spend 5 minutes reading the realignment forum and you found most of the proposal in some capacity.

Yeah, true, but I wanna see what C-USA actually presented tonight. Back to riding the toy jeep...

(10-11-2021 06:37 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 03:25 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 02:38 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 01:37 PM)MadEagle Wrote:  So it sounds to me like CUSA is finally saying we should disban this conference and everyone try to find some other programs in your region to form a conference with

This is a Delaney proposal to CUSA.

Get back to us if any Presidents bite.

This is a Judy proposal that they have wrapped a Delany veneer onto. She realizes she's behind the curve and now the 8-ball and wants to be perceived as "doing something". She should have put this out there 2 or 3 years ago if she really meant it.

No way. I can almost guarantee you this idea comes from AD’s and Presidents that have been having discussions for longer than 2-3 years. It was around that time that it was reported that “informal” discussions about splitting with the SB were had at CUSA’s conference meetings. I think Judy was told to sit down and shut up and Delaney was brought in. Probably true that CUSA doesn’t have the leverage, unless of course we all decide not to defect. Still think we’re another round of realignment away from seeing this as reality

Sort of agree that the Presidents call the shots.

Commisioners arent as powerful as many of you guys think.

(10-11-2021 09:46 PM)GEAGLESJAG Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 03:19 PM)All4One Wrote:  I would not be surprised if Conference USA after losing a good portion of Texas pulled in Georgia State and South Alabama from the Sun Belt. Both schools are losing money as members of the Sun Belt. Georgia State lost over $3 Million in 2018/2019 according to the Knight Commission's latest report while South Alabama lost close to a half million. If those schools want to start making money, their markets would benefit Conference USA.

Louisiana-Lafayette was the Sun Belt's biggest loser with over $5 Million down the drain while Texas State was the only Sun Belt member generating a revenue surplus despite having the largest travel expenditures in their conference with no in-conference travel partners.

Honest question. Where would the money come from to cover these losses with the crappy media deal Cusuck"s has. Plus your members are crapping all over themselves trying to get out.

Other sources I guess. Only schools in CUSA that lost money according to the latest data are Marshall and Old Dominion. Sun Belt members South Alabama, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Louisiana-Monroe, and Louisiana-Lafayette all lost money according to that same source, sooooooo TV deal must not be everything.

Dennis Dodd is losing credibility by this proposal not being made public on a day he said it would be.

(10-12-2021 12:07 AM)All4One Wrote:  Dennis Dodd is losing credibility by this proposal not being made public on a day he said it would be.

. . . like a proposal involving 3 conferences, but only presented to 1 had any credibility anyway . . .

(10-12-2021 08:21 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 12:07 AM)All4One Wrote:  Dennis Dodd is losing credibility by this proposal not being made public on a day he said it would be.

. . . like a proposal involving 3 conferences, but only presented to 1 had any credibility anyway . . .

You don't know where that proposal has been or where it was going next. The proposal probably wasn't going to reach every single school president at the exact same time. That's not realistic.

(10-12-2021 12:07 AM)All4One Wrote:  Dennis Dodd is losing credibility by this proposal not being made public on a day he said it would be.

I didn't read that he said it would be public, just that it would be presented to the school presidents.

(10-12-2021 08:52 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 12:07 AM)All4One Wrote:  Dennis Dodd is losing credibility by this proposal not being made public on a day he said it would be.

I didn't read that he said it would be public, just that it would be presented to the school presidents.

True. That's a good point and a very astute observation.

Why would a presentation of this nature be shown to the general public?

We have an elevated perception of how important fans are to universities making potentially decade shaping decisions.

We'll know the plans once there are binding documents signed, not before.

(10-12-2021 09:06 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Why would a presentation of this nature be shown to the general public?

We have an elevated perception of how important fans are to universities making potentially decade shaping decisions.

We'll know the plans once there are binding documents signed, not before.

Wow, we finally agree on something

(10-11-2021 02:13 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 01:51 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Agreed. We can talk about it but who can make it happen. Can Delaney? Probably not but it seems the idea is gaining traction and I think we’ll see a lot more movement in the coming years, so maybe it’s a few more years down the line.

Think you are correct two or three years after this round of moves its probably going to look a lot better ideal because by then most of the AAC TV money will be cut by 2/3 and everyone still spend 1 to 3 million more on travel they needed...

especially so if he can show how the dollars will work.

I wonder if all the liberal college presidents are talking sustainability and carbon footprint. That’s a serious thing in academia, and these regional conferences are more sustainable.

(10-10-2021 10:39 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  I don't think this is about geography. This is about finding a way for CUSA schools to get under the ESPN umbrella. CBSSN/Stadium/Facebook is killing CUSA. Reality is, no one talks about this league anymore. Delany isn't an idiot. He's come up with a proposal that would drastically increase exposure for CUSA schools.

But the AAC is too arrogant and the Sun Belt, as stated above, would never go for it because no one wants to be affiliated with the Texas schools (though the SBC does need a travel partner for TxSt and would take UTSA if available.)

How is it arrogant for the AAC? It's financial. Even if the TV deal tanks it will be certainly worth more than the SBC and CUSA deals - probably put together. Also, at least some of the AAC would have to willingly walk away from NCAA tournament revenue (Houston was just in the Final 4) + exit fees. I can't believe CUSA actually paid somebody to slap together an idea ripped from messageboards.

(10-12-2021 09:41 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 10:39 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  I don't think this is about geography. This is about finding a way for CUSA schools to get under the ESPN umbrella. CBSSN/Stadium/Facebook is killing CUSA. Reality is, no one talks about this league anymore. Delany isn't an idiot. He's come up with a proposal that would drastically increase exposure for CUSA schools.

But the AAC is too arrogant and the Sun Belt, as stated above, would never go for it because no one wants to be affiliated with the Texas schools (though the SBC does need a travel partner for TxSt and would take UTSA if available.)

How is it arrogant for the AAC? It's financial. Even if the TV deal tanks it will be certainly worth more than the SBC and CUSA deals - probably put together. Also, at least some of the AAC would have to willingly walk away from NCAA tournament revenue (Houston was just in the Final 4) + exit fees. I can't believe CUSA actually paid somebody to slap together an idea ripped from messageboards.

"Arrogance" aside, if this proposal had TV numbers behind it that made the AAC schools more money I'm sure they'd listen. However, even the article says media rights haven't even been priced for this regional proposal, and there's no way you'd add this collection of schools together and it end up paying the AAC schools more money than they'd make just backfilling, collecting exit fees, and NCAA tournament credits.

(10-12-2021 09:54 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 09:41 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 10:39 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  I don't think this is about geography. This is about finding a way for CUSA schools to get under the ESPN umbrella. CBSSN/Stadium/Facebook is killing CUSA. Reality is, no one talks about this league anymore. Delany isn't an idiot. He's come up with a proposal that would drastically increase exposure for CUSA schools.

But the AAC is too arrogant and the Sun Belt, as stated above, would never go for it because no one wants to be affiliated with the Texas schools (though the SBC does need a travel partner for TxSt and would take UTSA if available.)

How is it arrogant for the AAC? It's financial. Even if the TV deal tanks it will be certainly worth more than the SBC and CUSA deals - probably put together. Also, at least some of the AAC would have to willingly walk away from NCAA tournament revenue (Houston was just in the Final 4) + exit fees. I can't believe CUSA actually paid somebody to slap together an idea ripped from messageboards.

"Arrogance" aside, if this proposal had TV numbers behind it that made the AAC schools more money I'm sure they'd listen. However, even the article says media rights haven't even been priced for this regional proposal, and there's no way you'd add this collection of schools together and it end up paying the AAC schools more money than they'd make just backfilling, collecting exit fees, and NCAA tournament credits.

I guess its a cart before the horse scenario. Media money is an unknown until there is traction from presidents that this thing could actually happen. I don't think it has a prayer though, at least not until the Big XII finishes taking who they want in the next round (once Texas and Oklahoma are actually out of the conference). Once Memphis and either SMU/USF are out the door, then the remainder may drop in media value enough to come to the table.

(10-12-2021 10:24 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 09:54 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 09:41 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 10:39 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  I don't think this is about geography. This is about finding a way for CUSA schools to get under the ESPN umbrella. CBSSN/Stadium/Facebook is killing CUSA. Reality is, no one talks about this league anymore. Delany isn't an idiot. He's come up with a proposal that would drastically increase exposure for CUSA schools.

But the AAC is too arrogant and the Sun Belt, as stated above, would never go for it because no one wants to be affiliated with the Texas schools (though the SBC does need a travel partner for TxSt and would take UTSA if available.)

How is it arrogant for the AAC? It's financial. Even if the TV deal tanks it will be certainly worth more than the SBC and CUSA deals - probably put together. Also, at least some of the AAC would have to willingly walk away from NCAA tournament revenue (Houston was just in the Final 4) + exit fees. I can't believe CUSA actually paid somebody to slap together an idea ripped from messageboards.

"Arrogance" aside, if this proposal had TV numbers behind it that made the AAC schools more money I'm sure they'd listen. However, even the article says media rights haven't even been priced for this regional proposal, and there's no way you'd add this collection of schools together and it end up paying the AAC schools more money than they'd make just backfilling, collecting exit fees, and NCAA tournament credits.

I guess its a cart before the horse scenario. Media money is an unknown until there is traction from presidents that this thing could actually happen. I don't think it has a prayer though, at least not until the Big XII finishes taking who they want in the next round (once Texas and Oklahoma are actually out of the conference). Once Memphis and either SMU/USF are out the door, then the remainder may drop in media value enough to come to the table.

I mean probably not, since you are talking about another probably 30 million in exit fees plus the probably close to 50 million the departing 3 will be paying that schools would have to be willing to give up a share of, plus of course tournament credits and everything else to be willing to shift around. Even if the TV deal dropped to 1-2 million per school in that scenario all the exit fees and tournament credits would still make it where these proposed regional leagues would probably have to pay 4-5 million per team to get serious consideration from AAC schools, and that's not feasible at all. If those numbers were feasible then both the Sun-Belt/C-USA would be making multiple times more than they make now, and the AAC would have countless backfill options available to keep TV money roughly the same or only a minor drop.

(10-12-2021 10:38 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 10:24 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 09:54 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 09:41 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 10:39 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  I don't think this is about geography. This is about finding a way for CUSA schools to get under the ESPN umbrella. CBSSN/Stadium/Facebook is killing CUSA. Reality is, no one talks about this league anymore. Delany isn't an idiot. He's come up with a proposal that would drastically increase exposure for CUSA schools.

But the AAC is too arrogant and the Sun Belt, as stated above, would never go for it because no one wants to be affiliated with the Texas schools (though the SBC does need a travel partner for TxSt and would take UTSA if available.)

How is it arrogant for the AAC? It's financial. Even if the TV deal tanks it will be certainly worth more than the SBC and CUSA deals - probably put together. Also, at least some of the AAC would have to willingly walk away from NCAA tournament revenue (Houston was just in the Final 4) + exit fees. I can't believe CUSA actually paid somebody to slap together an idea ripped from messageboards.

"Arrogance" aside, if this proposal had TV numbers behind it that made the AAC schools more money I'm sure they'd listen. However, even the article says media rights haven't even been priced for this regional proposal, and there's no way you'd add this collection of schools together and it end up paying the AAC schools more money than they'd make just backfilling, collecting exit fees, and NCAA tournament credits.

I guess its a cart before the horse scenario. Media money is an unknown until there is traction from presidents that this thing could actually happen. I don't think it has a prayer though, at least not until the Big XII finishes taking who they want in the next round (once Texas and Oklahoma are actually out of the conference). Once Memphis and either SMU/USF are out the door, then the remainder may drop in media value enough to come to the table.

I mean probably not, since you are talking about another probably 30 million in exit fees plus the probably close to 50 million the departing 3 will be paying that schools would have to be willing to give up a share of, plus of course tournament credits and everything else to be willing to shift around. Even if the TV deal dropped to 1-2 million per school in that scenario all the exit fees and tournament credits would still make it where these proposed regional leagues would probably have to pay 4-5 million per team to get serious consideration form the AAC, and that's not feasible at all. If those numbers were feasible then both the Sun-Belt/C-USA would be making multiple times more than they make now, and the AAC would have countless backfill options available to keep TV money roughly the same or only a minor drop.

I am sure something could be arranged regarding credits and exit fees, if that were the final hurdle. Split them among current members of the AAC (same for any exit fees and credits left to C-USA and SBC), then each league agrees to temporarily suspend all exit and entrance fees and realign based on geography. I still don't think it is even mildly plausible, but it does at least seem possible.

Let's pretend SMU and Memphis are the last two programs to get a life raft to the Big XII. Navy goes back to independence in this scenario. Let's also pretend that with their departure and the backfill to the AAC from C-USA/SBC that the media deal is worth 2 mil per team.

Would a program like ECU want to remain in the AAC playing UTSA, Tulsa, UNT, Rice, Tulane, etc.

Or would a league of ECU, Temple, Marshall, ODU, Charlotte, App State, Coastal, JMU, WKU, and MTSU be better?

Would a league of UAB, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, FAU, FIU, USF, Troy, South Alabama, USM, and Tulane be better for those programs?

Would a league of Arkansas State, LaTech, ULM, UL, Rice, Tulsa, UNT, UTSA, Texas State, and Tulsa be better for those teams?

UTEP and NMSU belong in the MWC if common sense prevail, if not they could squeeze into the New SWC conference above.

One of the bigger hurdles I see (outside of the obvious ego/money problem) if the in between geography teams may favor one direction vs. another but are needed to make the numbers work.

I would really like to see what Delany presented to the C-USA presidents, and hear what their reaction was to it.

(10-12-2021 11:32 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 10:38 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 10:24 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 09:54 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 09:41 AM)b2b Wrote:  How is it arrogant for the AAC? It's financial. Even if the TV deal tanks it will be certainly worth more than the SBC and CUSA deals - probably put together. Also, at least some of the AAC would have to willingly walk away from NCAA tournament revenue (Houston was just in the Final 4) + exit fees. I can't believe CUSA actually paid somebody to slap together an idea ripped from messageboards.

"Arrogance" aside, if this proposal had TV numbers behind it that made the AAC schools more money I'm sure they'd listen. However, even the article says media rights haven't even been priced for this regional proposal, and there's no way you'd add this collection of schools together and it end up paying the AAC schools more money than they'd make just backfilling, collecting exit fees, and NCAA tournament credits.

I guess its a cart before the horse scenario. Media money is an unknown until there is traction from presidents that this thing could actually happen. I don't think it has a prayer though, at least not until the Big XII finishes taking who they want in the next round (once Texas and Oklahoma are actually out of the conference). Once Memphis and either SMU/USF are out the door, then the remainder may drop in media value enough to come to the table.

I mean probably not, since you are talking about another probably 30 million in exit fees plus the probably close to 50 million the departing 3 will be paying that schools would have to be willing to give up a share of, plus of course tournament credits and everything else to be willing to shift around. Even if the TV deal dropped to 1-2 million per school in that scenario all the exit fees and tournament credits would still make it where these proposed regional leagues would probably have to pay 4-5 million per team to get serious consideration form the AAC, and that's not feasible at all. If those numbers were feasible then both the Sun-Belt/C-USA would be making multiple times more than they make now, and the AAC would have countless backfill options available to keep TV money roughly the same or only a minor drop.

I am sure something could be arranged regarding credits and exit fees, if that were the final hurdle. Split them among current members of the AAC (same for any exit fees and credits left to C-USA and SBC), then each league agrees to temporarily suspend all exit and entrance fees and realign based on geography. I still don't think it is even mildly plausible, but it does at least seem possible.

Let's pretend SMU and Memphis are the last two programs to get a life raft to the Big XII. Navy goes back to independence in this scenario. Let's also pretend that with their departure and the backfill to the AAC from C-USA/SBC that the media deal is worth 2 mil per team.

Would a program like ECU want to remain in the AAC playing UTSA, Tulsa, UNT, Rice, Tulane, etc.

Or would a league of ECU, Temple, Marshall, ODU, Charlotte, App State, Coastal, JMU, WKU, and MTSU be better?

Would a league of UAB, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, FAU, FIU, USF, Troy, South Alabama, USM, and Tulane be better for those programs?

Would a league of Arkansas State, LaTech, ULM, UL, Rice, Tulsa, UNT, UTSA, Texas State, and Tulsa be better for those teams?

UTEP and NMSU belong in the MWC if common sense prevail, if not they could squeeze into the New SWC conference above.

One of the bigger hurdles I see (outside of the obvious ego/money problem) if the in between geography teams may favor one direction vs. another but are needed to make the numbers work.

I would really like to see what Delany presented to the C-USA presidents, and hear what their reaction was to it.

Usually exit fees are paid out over time and not in a lump sum, and tournament credits are paid out annually by the NCAA based on past performance. There's no way you are going to get the NCAA to give an advance on all the tournament credits earned. That money is going to stay with the AAC shell. Also if all those defections from the AAC happened ECU/Temple would be in a very strong position if they so desired to get regional teams to them added and just pick the ones they want to associate with the most. You'll argue they would say no, and I'll argue whether they want to admit it or not App fans would stab their own mother to be in a league with ECU and you'd easily be able to put together an east division if so desired of like ECU/Temple/Marshall/App/whoever else you wanted without having to do some wild and unwanted reorganization of all 3 leagues.

(10-12-2021 11:46 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 11:32 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 10:38 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 10:24 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(10-12-2021 09:54 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  "Arrogance" aside, if this proposal had TV numbers behind it that made the AAC schools more money I'm sure they'd listen. However, even the article says media rights haven't even been priced for this regional proposal, and there's no way you'd add this collection of schools together and it end up paying the AAC schools more money than they'd make just backfilling, collecting exit fees, and NCAA tournament credits.

I guess its a cart before the horse scenario. Media money is an unknown until there is traction from presidents that this thing could actually happen. I don't think it has a prayer though, at least not until the Big XII finishes taking who they want in the next round (once Texas and Oklahoma are actually out of the conference). Once Memphis and either SMU/USF are out the door, then the remainder may drop in media value enough to come to the table.

I mean probably not, since you are talking about another probably 30 million in exit fees plus the probably close to 50 million the departing 3 will be paying that schools would have to be willing to give up a share of, plus of course tournament credits and everything else to be willing to shift around. Even if the TV deal dropped to 1-2 million per school in that scenario all the exit fees and tournament credits would still make it where these proposed regional leagues would probably have to pay 4-5 million per team to get serious consideration form the AAC, and that's not feasible at all. If those numbers were feasible then both the Sun-Belt/C-USA would be making multiple times more than they make now, and the AAC would have countless backfill options available to keep TV money roughly the same or only a minor drop.

I am sure something could be arranged regarding credits and exit fees, if that were the final hurdle. Split them among current members of the AAC (same for any exit fees and credits left to C-USA and SBC), then each league agrees to temporarily suspend all exit and entrance fees and realign based on geography. I still don't think it is even mildly plausible, but it does at least seem possible.

Let's pretend SMU and Memphis are the last two programs to get a life raft to the Big XII. Navy goes back to independence in this scenario. Let's also pretend that with their departure and the backfill to the AAC from C-USA/SBC that the media deal is worth 2 mil per team.

Would a program like ECU want to remain in the AAC playing UTSA, Tulsa, UNT, Rice, Tulane, etc.

Or would a league of ECU, Temple, Marshall, ODU, Charlotte, App State, Coastal, JMU, WKU, and MTSU be better?

Would a league of UAB, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, FAU, FIU, USF, Troy, South Alabama, USM, and Tulane be better for those programs?

Would a league of Arkansas State, LaTech, ULM, UL, Rice, Tulsa, UNT, UTSA, Texas State, and Tulsa be better for those teams?

UTEP and NMSU belong in the MWC if common sense prevail, if not they could squeeze into the New SWC conference above.

One of the bigger hurdles I see (outside of the obvious ego/money problem) if the in between geography teams may favor one direction vs. another but are needed to make the numbers work.

I would really like to see what Delany presented to the C-USA presidents, and hear what their reaction was to it.

Usually exit fees are paid out over time and not in a lump sum, and tournament credits are paid out annually by the NCAA based on past performance. There's no way you are going to get the NCAA to give an advance on all the tournament credits earned. That money is going to stay with the AAC shell. Also if all those defections from the AAC happened ECU/Temple would be in a very strong position if they so desired to get regional teams to them added and just pick the ones they want to associate with the most. You'll argue they would say no, and I'll argue whether they want to admit it or not App fans would stab their own mother to be in a league with ECU and you'd easily be able to put together an east division if so desired of like ECU/Temple/Marshall/App/whoever else you wanted without having to do some wild and unwanted reorganization of all 3 leagues.

In the fairytale land where everyone agrees to a realignment (or at least most) then payments for things like exit fees and bb credits can be accounted for and made due via contracts. That’s really the lowest obstacle.

Again, I don't think this really has a snowballs chance of happening, but I think that exit fees and credit payments aren't much of a hurdle. They could still be split among the former teams over time.

ECU and Temple would most likely be able to backfill, which would largely result in a similar conference to what I posted. The problem ECU and Temple will encounter is a similar problem to what the current makeup of C-USA is facing. If we lose programs from either side (East/West) the East teams will want replacements close to them, as will the West. At some point, it makes more sense just to shake hands and wave goodbye than to try and satisfy both halves simultaneously.

(10-12-2021 09:06 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Why would a presentation of this nature be shown to the general public?

We have an elevated perception of how important fans are to universities making potentially decade shaping decisions.

We'll know the plans once there are binding documents signed, not before.

Agreed, though I'll also say that if that presentation has happened, it won't be long before someone lets it slip to a trusted reporter and they spread it far and wide as coming from "a source close to the situation." People in power are blabbermouths, as long as they can blab in a way that doesn't point back to them.