(09-16-2021 10:58 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 08:48 PM)Poseidon Wrote:  I think adding six would be best to make up for the three we lost. Even if we drop from 7 to 6 mil it will be emougj to convine MW teams to come if we are pretty much guranteed the acces bowl slot or playoff spot as long as the confencre champ doesnt lose more that one game. It would also serve as a buffer if the big 12 came back for two more after ou/ut leave or if theyblose any.

Th e six in prefferential order would be.

Boise
Air Force
SDSU
FAU or UAB then or Marshall
CSU
a texas school

I am going to go with your numbers for ESPN. Each of the 11 members of the AAC make 7 million a year for a total of 77 million to the AAC. The AAC adds 6 new members to replace the 3 that are leaving for a total on 14 members. When the 6 new members join the AAC for each of the 14 members of the conference to still make 7 million a year, ESPN would have to increase the payout to the AAC by 21 million a year which will not happen. The best that I feel will happen is that payout remains at 77 million a year which will drop the per teams yearly payout to 5.5 million.

Why would it not happen? More teams would mean more inventory to buy. If the ESPN bid on the MWC by itself in the next renewal, they would be like "we already pay all these other conferences x amount and we're not changing it, so your deal is $0"

(09-17-2021 07:55 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 10:58 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 08:48 PM)Poseidon Wrote:  I think adding six would be best to make up for the three we lost. Even if we drop from 7 to 6 mil it will be emougj to convine MW teams to come if we are pretty much guranteed the acces bowl slot or playoff spot as long as the confencre champ doesnt lose more that one game. It would also serve as a buffer if the big 12 came back for two more after ou/ut leave or if theyblose any.

Th e six in prefferential order would be.

Boise
Air Force
SDSU
FAU or UAB then or Marshall
CSU
a texas school

I am going to go with your numbers for ESPN. Each of the 11 members of the AAC make 7 million a year for a total of 77 million to the AAC. The AAC adds 6 new members to replace the 3 that are leaving for a total on 14 members. When the 6 new members join the AAC for each of the 14 members of the conference to still make 7 million a year, ESPN would have to increase the payout to the AAC by 21 million a year which will not happen. The best that I feel will happen is that payout remains at 77 million a year which will drop the per teams yearly payout to 5.5 million.

Why would it not happen? More teams would mean more inventory to buy. If the ESPN bid on the MWC by itself in the next renewal, they would be like "we already pay all these other conferences x amount and we're not changing it, so your deal is $0"

Tulane
Temple
ECU
USF
Navy
SMU
Tulsa

No combination of schools added to this list of schools is going to make for a TV deal worth anything close to what the AAC currently receives. Memphis leaves for the B12, SMU and Tulsa go MWC. The remaining 5 AAC schools are left to find a home. The irony…

(09-17-2021 07:38 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 05:44 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Man, this would be a monstrosity. Can you imagine winter doldrums and flying winter/spring sports from San Diego to Philli? Dear God.

But if Aresco can land em’ more power to em’. Hoping it’s just UAB Rice and they stop at 10. Payout per team should be maybe 1-3 million less than what it is now, which isn’t bad.

Is San Diego to Philly that much more travel than Piscataway to Lincoln? Also, we get to go to San Diego, not Lincoln.

I know what you’re trying to argue, but it’s not even close.

Newark to Omaha is a 3 hour 15 minute flight with a 1 hour time change.

Philadelphia to San Diego is a 5 hour 40 minute flight with a 3 hour time change.

For a comparison, Philadelphia or Newark to London is a 7 hour flight with a 5 hour time change.

That’s not to say that the AAC shouldn’t add an entire Western wing of possible. That’s their best semi-plausible option. However, it does indicate that you need a true Western wing (not just a couple of schools) for this to make any sense for San Diego State. Flying from the Northeast to San Diego isn’t much closer than flying from the Northeast to Europe, so SDSU needs multiple Western schools for all-sports membership to work. The time change can also be pretty brutal - you see that even with pro athletes that have coast-to-coast flights. Many dollars have been made in Vegas on betting on the underperformance of a team that just had to deal with a ET to PT time change or vice versa.

(09-17-2021 08:06 AM)App10 Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 07:55 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 10:58 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 08:48 PM)Poseidon Wrote:  I think adding six would be best to make up for the three we lost. Even if we drop from 7 to 6 mil it will be emougj to convine MW teams to come if we are pretty much guranteed the acces bowl slot or playoff spot as long as the confencre champ doesnt lose more that one game. It would also serve as a buffer if the big 12 came back for two more after ou/ut leave or if theyblose any.

Th e six in prefferential order would be.

Boise
Air Force
SDSU
FAU or UAB then or Marshall
CSU
a texas school

I am going to go with your numbers for ESPN. Each of the 11 members of the AAC make 7 million a year for a total of 77 million to the AAC. The AAC adds 6 new members to replace the 3 that are leaving for a total on 14 members. When the 6 new members join the AAC for each of the 14 members of the conference to still make 7 million a year, ESPN would have to increase the payout to the AAC by 21 million a year which will not happen. The best that I feel will happen is that payout remains at 77 million a year which will drop the per teams yearly payout to 5.5 million.

Why would it not happen? More teams would mean more inventory to buy. If the ESPN bid on the MWC by itself in the next renewal, they would be like "we already pay all these other conferences x amount and we're not changing it, so your deal is $0"

Tulane
Temple
ECU
USF
Navy
SMU
Tulsa

No combination of schools added to this list of schools is going to make for a TV deal worth anything close to what the AAC currently receives. Memphis leaves for the B12, SMU and Tulsa go MWC. The remaining 5 AAC schools are left to find a home. The irony…

The irony?
The irony of a fan of a school who is trying to get in the league but just realized they are like plan D talking crap on said league about how it isn't valuable? Yes, Very ironic.

(09-17-2021 08:17 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 07:38 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 05:44 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Man, this would be a monstrosity. Can you imagine winter doldrums and flying winter/spring sports from San Diego to Philli? Dear God.

But if Aresco can land em’ more power to em’. Hoping it’s just UAB Rice and they stop at 10. Payout per team should be maybe 1-3 million less than what it is now, which isn’t bad.

Is San Diego to Philly that much more travel than Piscataway to Lincoln? Also, we get to go to San Diego, not Lincoln.

I know what you’re trying to argue, but it’s not even close.

Newark to Omaha is a 3 hour 15 minute flight with a 1 hour time change.

Philadelphia to San Diego is a 5 hour 40 minute flight with a 3 hour time change.

For a comparison, Philadelphia or Newark to London is a 7 hour flight with a 5 hour time change.

That’s not to say that the AAC shouldn’t add an entire Western wing of possible. That’s their best semi-plausible option. However, it does indicate that you need a true Western wing (not just a couple of schools) for this to make any sense for San Diego State. Flying from the Northeast to San Diego isn’t much closer than flying from the Northeast to Europe, so SDSU needs multiple Western schools for all-sports membership to work. The time change can also be pretty brutal - you see that even with pro athletes that have coast-to-coast flights. Many dollars have been made in Vegas on betting on the underperformance of a team that just had to deal with a ET to PT time change or vice versa.

The vast majority of their travel in the winter/spring sports would be to current MWC schools and SMU, Tulsa, WSU. Not drastically longer than flying to Wyoming or anything like that.

(09-17-2021 08:26 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 08:17 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 07:38 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 05:44 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Man, this would be a monstrosity. Can you imagine winter doldrums and flying winter/spring sports from San Diego to Philli? Dear God.

But if Aresco can land em’ more power to em’. Hoping it’s just UAB Rice and they stop at 10. Payout per team should be maybe 1-3 million less than what it is now, which isn’t bad.

Is San Diego to Philly that much more travel than Piscataway to Lincoln? Also, we get to go to San Diego, not Lincoln.

I know what you’re trying to argue, but it’s not even close.

Newark to Omaha is a 3 hour 15 minute flight with a 1 hour time change.

Philadelphia to San Diego is a 5 hour 40 minute flight with a 3 hour time change.

For a comparison, Philadelphia or Newark to London is a 7 hour flight with a 5 hour time change.

That’s not to say that the AAC shouldn’t add an entire Western wing of possible. That’s their best semi-plausible option. However, it does indicate that you need a true Western wing (not just a couple of schools) for this to make any sense for San Diego State. Flying from the Northeast to San Diego isn’t much closer than flying from the Northeast to Europe, so SDSU needs multiple Western schools for all-sports membership to work. The time change can also be pretty brutal - you see that even with pro athletes that have coast-to-coast flights. Many dollars have been made in Vegas on betting on the underperformance of a team that just had to deal with a ET to PT time change or vice versa.

The vast majority of their travel in the winter/spring sports would be to current MWC schools and SMU, Tulsa, WSU. Not drastically longer than flying to Wyoming or anything like that.

I understand that and that’s why I said a true Western wing or full division is necessary to make this realistic.

I was only pointing out that trying to argue that going from the East Coast to San Diego isn’t much farther than going from the East Coast to Nebraska is patently false and defies any semblance of knowledge of geography.

To put it into perspective, flying from Newark/Philly to San Diego takes about the same amount of time as flying from Newark/Philly to Omaha and *then* flying from Omaha to Orlando. A lot of East Coast people seem to have such a weird sense of what’s “west” and thinking that places that are in the middle of the country are way farther from them and much closer to California compared to reality. Even in the discussions about an AAC alignment, there’s nothing “western” about Wichita State - that’s smack dab in the middle of the country and still in the Central Time Zone.

(09-17-2021 08:26 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 08:17 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 07:38 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 05:44 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Man, this would be a monstrosity. Can you imagine winter doldrums and flying winter/spring sports from San Diego to Philli? Dear God.

But if Aresco can land em’ more power to em’. Hoping it’s just UAB Rice and they stop at 10. Payout per team should be maybe 1-3 million less than what it is now, which isn’t bad.

Is San Diego to Philly that much more travel than Piscataway to Lincoln? Also, we get to go to San Diego, not Lincoln.

I know what you’re trying to argue, but it’s not even close.

Newark to Omaha is a 3 hour 15 minute flight with a 1 hour time change.

Philadelphia to San Diego is a 5 hour 40 minute flight with a 3 hour time change.

For a comparison, Philadelphia or Newark to London is a 7 hour flight with a 5 hour time change.

That’s not to say that the AAC shouldn’t add an entire Western wing of possible. That’s their best semi-plausible option. However, it does indicate that you need a true Western wing (not just a couple of schools) for this to make any sense for San Diego State. Flying from the Northeast to San Diego isn’t much closer than flying from the Northeast to Europe, so SDSU needs multiple Western schools for all-sports membership to work. The time change can also be pretty brutal - you see that even with pro athletes that have coast-to-coast flights. Many dollars have been made in Vegas on betting on the underperformance of a team that just had to deal with a ET to PT time change or vice versa.

The vast majority of their travel in the winter/spring sports would be to current MWC schools and SMU, Tulsa, WSU. Not drastically longer than flying to Wyoming or anything like that.

Exactly what I keep saying. None of their Olympic sports will be going to to Tampa or Philadelphia at any time.

(09-17-2021 08:06 AM)App10 Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 07:55 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 10:58 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 08:48 PM)Poseidon Wrote:  I think adding six would be best to make up for the three we lost. Even if we drop from 7 to 6 mil it will be emougj to convine MW teams to come if we are pretty much guranteed the acces bowl slot or playoff spot as long as the confencre champ doesnt lose more that one game. It would also serve as a buffer if the big 12 came back for two more after ou/ut leave or if theyblose any.

Th e six in prefferential order would be.

Boise
Air Force
SDSU
FAU or UAB then or Marshall
CSU
a texas school

I am going to go with your numbers for ESPN. Each of the 11 members of the AAC make 7 million a year for a total of 77 million to the AAC. The AAC adds 6 new members to replace the 3 that are leaving for a total on 14 members. When the 6 new members join the AAC for each of the 14 members of the conference to still make 7 million a year, ESPN would have to increase the payout to the AAC by 21 million a year which will not happen. The best that I feel will happen is that payout remains at 77 million a year which will drop the per teams yearly payout to 5.5 million.

Why would it not happen? More teams would mean more inventory to buy. If the ESPN bid on the MWC by itself in the next renewal, they would be like "we already pay all these other conferences x amount and we're not changing it, so your deal is $0"

Tulane
Temple
ECU
USF
Navy
SMU
Tulsa

No combination of schools added to this list of schools is going to make for a TV deal worth anything close to what the AAC currently receives. Memphis leaves for the B12, SMU and Tulsa go MWC. The remaining 5 AAC schools are left to find a home. The irony…

If Memphis were to leave for the B-12 in a future realignment Tulsa and SMU would still remain in the AAC providing the conference with a solid core and a minimum of $40 million dollars in exit fees, the remaining BB credits, and the money from entrance fees from the schools that replaced UCF, Houston, Cinn, and Memphis. That is quite a war / treasure chest to move on from plus the schools they will get to vote for to stabilize the AAC to make them happy and keep them there. The AAC is not going to dissolve with 5 of the original members remaining either for the same money and fee reasons.

(09-17-2021 08:34 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 08:26 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 08:17 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 07:38 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 05:44 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Man, this would be a monstrosity. Can you imagine winter doldrums and flying winter/spring sports from San Diego to Philli? Dear God.

But if Aresco can land em’ more power to em’. Hoping it’s just UAB Rice and they stop at 10. Payout per team should be maybe 1-3 million less than what it is now, which isn’t bad.

Is San Diego to Philly that much more travel than Piscataway to Lincoln? Also, we get to go to San Diego, not Lincoln.

I know what you’re trying to argue, but it’s not even close.

Newark to Omaha is a 3 hour 15 minute flight with a 1 hour time change.

Philadelphia to San Diego is a 5 hour 40 minute flight with a 3 hour time change.

For a comparison, Philadelphia or Newark to London is a 7 hour flight with a 5 hour time change.

That’s not to say that the AAC shouldn’t add an entire Western wing of possible. That’s their best semi-plausible option. However, it does indicate that you need a true Western wing (not just a couple of schools) for this to make any sense for San Diego State. Flying from the Northeast to San Diego isn’t much closer than flying from the Northeast to Europe, so SDSU needs multiple Western schools for all-sports membership to work. The time change can also be pretty brutal - you see that even with pro athletes that have coast-to-coast flights. Many dollars have been made in Vegas on betting on the underperformance of a team that just had to deal with a ET to PT time change or vice versa.

The vast majority of their travel in the winter/spring sports would be to current MWC schools and SMU, Tulsa, WSU. Not drastically longer than flying to Wyoming or anything like that.

I understand that and that’s why I said a true Western wing or full division is necessary to make this realistic.

I was only pointing out that trying to argue that going from the East Coast to San Diego isn’t much farther than going from the East Coast to Nebraska is patently false and defies any semblance of knowledge of geography.

To put it into perspective, flying from Newark/Philly to San Diego takes about the same amount of time as flying from Newark/Philly to Omaha and *then* flying from Omaha to Orlando. A lot of East Coast people seem to have such a weird sense of what’s “west” and thinking that places that are in the middle of the country are way farther from them and much closer to California compared to reality. Even in the discussions about an AAC alignment, there’s nothing “western” about Wichita State - that’s smack dab in the middle of the country.

Right .. i'm just saying it's not a deal breaker if set up right.

And yes WSU is dead center .. which means no airport is more than 3-3.5 hours away (direct flight, which is the harder part).

(09-17-2021 08:26 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  The vast majority of their travel in the winter/spring sports would be to current MWC schools and SMU, Tulsa, WSU. Not drastically longer than flying to Wyoming or anything like that.

Yes, but you can't cycle between the same 5-6 schools for every sport. Winter and spring athletes will have to travel coast to coast at least 2-3 times every season round trip. It's a cash depleter any way you slice and dice it.

(09-17-2021 08:40 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 08:26 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  The vast majority of their travel in the winter/spring sports would be to current MWC schools and SMU, Tulsa, WSU. Not drastically longer than flying to Wyoming or anything like that.

Yes, but you can't cycle between the same 5-6 schools for every sport. Winter and spring athletes will have to travel coast to coast at least 2-3 times every season round trip. It's a cash depleter any way you slice and dice it.

I guess i probably shouldn't argue with you about depleting cash .. as a Rutgers fans you guys know all about burning through cash.

(09-17-2021 07:53 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  Where the actual F*** is “Philli”? Seriously, from a Rutgers fan? Guess you aren’t from Jersey.

I've always called it Philli. Not once have I heard it abbreviated otherwise. Roll of the right side of the bed and start your day better next time.

And it doesn't matter how pretty the girls are, but I'm not grabbing my pom poms for Aztecs versus Owls women's soccer. That's the perfect way to kill your athletic budget.

(09-17-2021 08:17 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 07:38 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 05:44 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Man, this would be a monstrosity. Can you imagine winter doldrums and flying winter/spring sports from San Diego to Philli? Dear God.

But if Aresco can land em’ more power to em’. Hoping it’s just UAB Rice and they stop at 10. Payout per team should be maybe 1-3 million less than what it is now, which isn’t bad.

Is San Diego to Philly that much more travel than Piscataway to Lincoln? Also, we get to go to San Diego, not Lincoln.

I know what you’re trying to argue, but it’s not even close.

Newark to Omaha is a 3 hour 15 minute flight with a 1 hour time change.

Philadelphia to San Diego is a 5 hour 40 minute flight with a 3 hour time change.

For a comparison, Philadelphia or Newark to London is a 7 hour flight with a 5 hour time change.

That’s not to say that the AAC shouldn’t add an entire Western wing of possible. That’s their best semi-plausible option. However, it does indicate that you need a true Western wing (not just a couple of schools) for this to make any sense for San Diego State. Flying from the Northeast to San Diego isn’t much closer than flying from the Northeast to Europe, so SDSU needs multiple Western schools for all-sports membership to work. The time change can also be pretty brutal - you see that even with pro athletes that have coast-to-coast flights. Many dollars have been made in Vegas on betting on the underperformance of a team that just had to deal with a ET to PT time change or vice versa.

I get it and the travel distance is the main reason I was not supportive of adding Boise last year. Travel has a definite impact on athletic performance. That being said, this is the new paradigm: conferences are no longer local or regional, but national. My response to the Rutgers poster was in reference to calling wide spread conferences “monstrosities”, when in fact the B10 is of the same category.

(09-17-2021 08:40 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 08:26 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  The vast majority of their travel in the winter/spring sports would be to current MWC schools and SMU, Tulsa, WSU. Not drastically longer than flying to Wyoming or anything like that.

Yes, but you can't cycle between the same 5-6 schools for every sport. Winter and spring athletes will have to travel coast to coast at least 2-3 times every season round trip. It's a cash depleter any way you slice and dice it.

No they wouldn’t. No Olympic sport other than basketball would be asked or need to travel coast to coast. This is not rocket science and you can limit the games in conference for non revenue sports and play more non conference local schools.

I wonder if the key issue being tackled right now is Aresco selling ESPN on the need to pay for 2 more western schools to convince SDSU & Boise that that this is by far the best option for now (Boise) and longer term (SDSU), from much better money to better bowl access to far better TV exposure across America to sufficient regional critical mass. Adding Colorado St, Air Force, SDSU, Boise, and 2 out of Fresno/Utah St/Nevada/UNLV in the west and UAB plus 1 of Army/Rice/Buffalo/FAU/FIU. 16 schools across all time zones for $8m per team, or $128m per year. If 2 to 4 schools leave for the Big 12, you're protected, you still have the best 12 team conference left. ESPN will pay that, it is a bargain for the amount & relative quality of content.

It would settle all of this long term. The western schools can't attract this kind of money without joining a more eastern conference. The eastern schools can't achieve more stable quality & depth of membership without the western schools. Regardless of what anyone says to the contrary, the above price is a bargain; the payout to the AAC would be no more than half the Big 12, and no amount of imagination is going to result in Baylor, Kansas, Houston, Iowa St, TCU or Cincinnati attracting twice as many eyeballs as Air Force, Navy, SMU, Memphis, SDSU, Boise, Tulane, Temple, etc.

(09-16-2021 09:45 PM)Someone_Else Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 07:47 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 07:11 PM)pesik Wrote:  also aresco has made a note that he has never talked to anyone who didn't approach first.. if that is still true, that is potential evidence

Evidence of what? There's no evidence that anyone has approached anyone else.

Conferences don’t approach universities about leaving. It leaves them liable to be sued. This is the whole “tortious interference“ the B12 made against ESPN. This is also why the B12 used the information from the expansion debacle from a few years ago to make their decision. Those schools approached the B12. At some point, those MWC schools approached the AAC. Now, it could have been years ago, but they did approach the AAC.

This article in the Coloradan from July supports that:

https://www.coloradoan.com/story/sports/...404486001/


It's why I truly believe the AAC will add Air Force, CSU-Fort Collins, UAB, and Army (Army also being on the AAC short list) behind UAB and the 4 Mountain West schools.

CSU and Air Force is not going to move the needle 500K-1million more per school. And they do nothing for Bball. Those are by far the best additions (and maybe UNLV) aside from SDSU and Boise. It would be shocking if they make that change, but we've seen crazier things before. Definitely much worse than anything we've seen to date (such as WVU and BC to the Big 12/ACC in the early stages of those moves).

If Army comes, I can see it maybe working. I feel CSU can be the only Olympic sports school. And you may need to take Boise Olympics to even make this happen.

I am still laughing at all the people that talk about travel.

SDSU, Boise, CSU, AF, Tulsa, and SMu are all in the west. It’s not like they have to travel to Philly and Florida all the time. 5 of the 8 games will be out west. Then the 3 remaining, some will be home. You’re talking maybe 1-2 football trips out East.

Then in Olympic sports, we have Wichita…. And I wouldn’t doubt we add 1 more non football team out west. Which makes 8 western teams. Lots of models to limit costs, like a divisional double round ribbon for basketball. Travel wouldn’t be that big of a deal at all.

The major advantage. If these four teams come, then the AAC is #6 and it’s a far distance to #7.

(09-17-2021 07:51 AM)pablowow Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 12:31 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 12:17 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 12:16 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 11:41 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Which meeting with ESPN were you in?

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No ESPN meeting need to know that the 6 conference members listed by Poseidon are worth an additional 21 million a year from ESPN.

Anyone who thinks this line up will increase the AAC payout by 21 million a year is living in a dream world.

Ah... So your very definitive "will not happen" was you just pulling it out of your ass. Good to know

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No but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night unlike the Motel 6 you were at last night.

Trying to be funny but the truth of the matter is … ESPN has a plan to control college athletics and we can agree on that… the other fact is AAC is an ESPN property. ESPN also can addd more markets to their digital platform and grow the AAC footprint … its worth 21 million if it means picking up new markets (which they don’t have) completely and building 4 time zones… you think 21 million will stop that? Also understand many more movements are happening .. PAC12, BIG, SEC, and ACC… will make more moves… buckle up Troy fan SBC will get to pick up USM and Marshal when it’s all over Congrats …

I think you are correct in that more movement is coming & that is probably what is delaying any AAC/MWC deal. While I may believe acting proactively on the front end & combining may be in long term interest of both leagues (especially the 75-80% of membership with no chance of moving to NB12), I am sure there are others holding out for other hopes.

If you merge now & loose 4 members later you still have a solid claim to best of the rest. I also think MWC will get hit harder than AAC in next NB12 expansion, so whatever temporary superiority complex they may think they are feeling right now will be gone when they feel same impact as AAC has just been hit with.

(09-17-2021 09:09 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  CSU and Air Force is not going to move the needle 500K-1million more per school. And they do nothing for Bball. Those are by far the best additions (and maybe UNLV) aside from SDSU and Boise. It would be shocking if they make that change, but we've seen crazier things before. Definitely much worse than anything we've seen to date (such as WVU and BC to the Big 12/ACC in the early stages of those moves).

If Army comes, I can see it maybe working. I feel CSU can be the only Olympic sports school. And you may need to take Boise Olympics to even make this happen.

From what I have heard. Boise replaces UCF in value. Air Force and CSU are supposed to have similar value to Cinci and Houston or at least enough that espn doesn’t need to reopen our contract. UAB and SDSU are also revenue neutral with the right mix.

If we land those four we may stop. If Army gets interested, then I think UAB is our 14th and that’s a number that has some cushion to it.