ESPN will tell us what to do. Personally, my two adds would be Marshall, obviously, and JMU. While I despise JMU, they would bring lots to the table, have good facilities, have existing strong rivalries with current SB teams, and, I believe ESPN looks favorably on them.

(07-28-2021 07:35 AM)Capt Ed Wrote:  ESPN will tell us what to do. Personally, my two adds would be Marshall, obviously, and JMU. While I despise JMU, they would bring lots to the table, have good facilities, have existing strong rivalries with current SB teams, and, I believe ESPN looks favorably on them.

Nebraska & Colorado left the Big XII because of Texas. Nebraska hasn't been shy with their unhappiness in some of their policies. Is it unreasonable to think both those come back into the fold?

(07-28-2021 07:35 AM)Capt Ed Wrote:  ESPN will tell us what to do. Personally, my two adds would be Marshall, obviously, and JMU. While I despise JMU, they would bring lots to the table, have good facilities, have existing strong rivalries with current SB teams, and, I believe ESPN looks favorably on them.

What kind or revenue through media do they generate though? If they don’t bring enough to raise the conference payout, is it worth it?

(07-28-2021 08:01 AM)Appst94 Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 07:35 AM)Capt Ed Wrote:  ESPN will tell us what to do. Personally, my two adds would be Marshall, obviously, and JMU. While I despise JMU, they would bring lots to the table, have good facilities, have existing strong rivalries with current SB teams, and, I believe ESPN looks favorably on them.

What kind or revenue through media do they generate though? If they don’t bring enough to raise the conference payout, is it worth it?

For Marshall's part their games do all get picked up by CUSA's media partners in their tier 1 grab. Even moved from CBSSN to CBS.

I think their value would increase the average value and payment.

I'd love to keep the core group of the SBC together and add a few top schools to the league. The problem is, will all SBC schools agree to stay together and will the schools we want be willing to come here with uncertainty around the AAC?

(07-28-2021 07:19 AM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 07:07 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 06:46 AM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 04:33 AM)AppinSC Wrote:  I'm with many of you guys. Let's just bring in Marshall and either Southern Miss or UTSA (just for you Texas State) and call it a day. The Sun Belt would ascend while other conferences devour each other. I'd think that most of App Nation would welcome Marshall into the belt.

We can’t invite anyone. Schools have to apply. No one is going to move to consolidate CUSA/Sunbelt until after Big12 and AAC make their moves. People saying the Big12 is done. I don’t think they are done yet. WV may be the weakest link but I don’t see much value to the ACC or BIG10 to rescue any of the remaining 8 schools. The only key property on the table of value is ND and there is no motivation for them to change.

That means the most logical scenario is backfilling Big12 with the best programs available (BYU and 3-4 AAC) and then the AAC following suit.

Any G5 school presidents and executives not reaching out to the AAC or Big12 should be fired for dereliction of duties.

Yes schools have to "officially" apply, but it's naive to think these discussions aren't going on prior to. Texas & Oklahoma "officially" applied to the SEC just the other day, but as we all know this has been going on behind the scene for weeks. No way either of those applies unless they know it's a slam dunk they're being accepted.

Of course! I’m directly responding to the notion that “we should just add Utsa and Marshall and be done with it”. It doesn’t work that way officially or unofficially. No school is going to have a serious discussion with the SBC until it’s clear what’s happening in conferences above them.

Gotcha.

(07-28-2021 08:31 AM)JTApps1 Wrote:  I'd love to keep the core group of the SBC together and add a few top schools to the league. The problem is, will all SBC schools agree to stay together and will the schools we want be willing to come here with uncertainty around the AAC?

The best course to staying together, is the AAC wanting others instead. thinking bigger markets, and brands to try and retain tv money, Example UAB, Buffalo, Army. after the AAC has made their picks, If the Sun Belt is intact, we should be in a position to pull 2 new members in.

(07-28-2021 07:35 AM)Capt Ed Wrote:  ESPN will tell us what to do. Personally, my two adds would be Marshall, obviously, and JMU. While I despise JMU, they would bring lots to the table, have good facilities, have existing strong rivalries with current SB teams, and, I believe ESPN looks favorably on them.

I’d take Liberty before I take JMU. Not that JMU isn’t a good school with a stellar program, but I’d like to shake off the yolk of being an FCS call up conference. I think we’re at a place now where we’re a pretty attractive landing spot. If we can get Marshall, we can definitely get another CUSA or Liberty to join too.

IMHO if the SBC comes through this unscathed then we are in a position to pickup any CUSA team that we want. Do we want them? I'm not sure the presidents would say we do but if ESPN wants to make it lucrative enough then obviously we would add a couple more. I do think if the American looks to add some replacements then Georgia State, Louisiana and maybe a couple of others would be in the mix with Georgia State being the most likely to get the call. If we loose only Georgia State and CUSA looses 1 to 3 programs then we have a real chance to pull in 1 to 3 more of CUSA's teams and put the nail in that conference for good. From my perspective as a GS fan if we had to add my top choices would be Marshall, So. Miss, ODU or UAB but I would not be opposed to one of CUSA's Texas teams to help Texas State feel more at home. We will just have to see how things work out because I think this will drag out for at least a few years before the dust settles again.

If the AAC does pull teams in like Rice and UAB and GSU. Without Rice it might present a situation that UTSA would consider moving to a conference with a chance of building a real heated rivalry and give the opportunity for the SBC to add a three trio of UTSA, USM, Marshall.

(07-28-2021 08:01 AM)Appst94 Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 07:35 AM)Capt Ed Wrote:  ESPN will tell us what to do. Personally, my two adds would be Marshall, obviously, and JMU. While I despise JMU, they would bring lots to the table, have good facilities, have existing strong rivalries with current SB teams, and, I believe ESPN looks favorably on them.

What kind or revenue through media do they generate though? If they don’t bring enough to raise the conference payout, is it worth it?

There you go thinking like a Marketz manager. Don’t do that.

The SBC has grown to what it is because of good football, P5 upsets, and annual top 25 rankings not marketz. No G5 or FCS team has any real market value. Control what you can control. Be the best football league you can be.


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(07-28-2021 09:23 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 08:01 AM)Appst94 Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 07:35 AM)Capt Ed Wrote:  ESPN will tell us what to do. Personally, my two adds would be Marshall, obviously, and JMU. While I despise JMU, they would bring lots to the table, have good facilities, have existing strong rivalries with current SB teams, and, I believe ESPN looks favorably on them.

What kind or revenue through media do they generate though? If they don’t bring enough to raise the conference payout, is it worth it?

There you go thinking like a Marketz manager. Don’t do that.

The SBC has grown to what it is because of good football, P5 upsets, and annual top 25 rankings not marketz. No G5 or FCS team has any real market value. Control what you can control. Be the best football league you can be.


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Agree. Good teams draw eyeballs, bad teams do not. It really is that simple.

(07-28-2021 07:59 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Nebraska & Colorado left the Big XII because of Texas. Nebraska hasn't been shy with their unhappiness in some of their policies. Is it unreasonable to think both those come back into the fold?

52 million dollars says they stay in the B10. Also the revenue per school in the B12 could go from 37 million per year to roughly 9 million per year minus Oklahoma and Texas. And that is if the core 8 stick together which I think has about a 5% chance of doing. If 3 or more also leave that revenue per school could dip below what the AAC even has. At that point is it really worth it. Some will say yes.

As some people have pointed out and I think by now everyone knows how the game is played but yes conference officials can't contact other schools in other conferences. That doesn't mean conferences don't have lawyers on retainer that deals in this kind of work to be their contact point with other schools.

As Ive said I don't know where Marshall ends up. if they move at all. I still show up to see the Herd play and not who is across from them. If it is a good school then yes its more enjoyable.

(07-28-2021 08:37 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 07:35 AM)Capt Ed Wrote:  ESPN will tell us what to do. Personally, my two adds would be Marshall, obviously, and JMU. While I despise JMU, they would bring lots to the table, have good facilities, have existing strong rivalries with current SB teams, and, I believe ESPN looks favorably on them.

I’d take Liberty before I take JMU. Not that JMU isn’t a good school with a stellar program, but I’d like to shake off the yolk of being an FCS call up conference. I think we’re at a place now where we’re a pretty attractive landing spot. If we can get Marshall, we can definitely get another CUSA or Liberty to join too.

First, I'm amazed I'm promoting JMU for anything given their superiority complex. That said, JMU helps Sun Belt's academic standing, it's a public, state institution that fits the conference much better, and, they won't create political or religious conflict/bad press for us.

Plus, if we follow the same philosophy of adding schools with a rich football history and potential, instead of worrying whether they're FCS or not, we'll be better served. Adding GS, App, and Coastal worked out pretty well, right?

(07-28-2021 11:18 AM)Capt Ed Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 08:37 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 07:35 AM)Capt Ed Wrote:  ESPN will tell us what to do. Personally, my two adds would be Marshall, obviously, and JMU. While I despise JMU, they would bring lots to the table, have good facilities, have existing strong rivalries with current SB teams, and, I believe ESPN looks favorably on them.

I’d take Liberty before I take JMU. Not that JMU isn’t a good school with a stellar program, but I’d like to shake off the yolk of being an FCS call up conference. I think we’re at a place now where we’re a pretty attractive landing spot. If we can get Marshall, we can definitely get another CUSA or Liberty to join too.

First, I'm amazed I'm promoting JMU for anything given their superiority complex. That said, JMU helps Sun Belt's academic standing, it's a public, state institution that fits the conference much better, and, they won't create political or religious conflict/bad press for us.

Plus, if we follow the same philosophy of adding schools with a rich football history and potential, instead of worrying whether they're FCS or not, we'll be better served. Adding GS, App, and Coastal worked out pretty well, right?

They would give Marshall a close trip and another good soccer school to restart SBC soccer. Might take something like that to lure Marsha

(07-28-2021 11:17 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 07:59 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Nebraska & Colorado left the Big XII because of Texas. Nebraska hasn't been shy with their unhappiness in some of their policies. Is it unreasonable to think both those come back into the fold?

52 million dollars says they stay in the B10. Also the revenue per school in the B12 could go from 37 million per year to roughly 9 million per year minus Oklahoma and Texas. And that is if the core 8 stick together which I think has about a 5% chance of doing. If 3 or more also leave that revenue per school could dip below what the AAC even has. At that point is it really worth it. Some will say yes.

As some people have pointed out and I think by now everyone knows how the game is played but yes conference officials can't contact other schools in other conferences. That doesn't mean conferences don't have lawyers on retainer that deals in this kind of work to be their contact point with other schools.

As Ive said I don't know where Marshall ends up. if they move at all. I still show up to see the Herd play and not who is across from them. If it is a good school then yes its more enjoyable.

I've seen this $9 million per year batted about for a couple of days but there is no proof that $9 million is the number. The Pundit (with no inside knowledge) who first proposed $9 million per year said that was on the low end with $18 million per year being the high end. Other pundits have estimated about $20 million per year if the 8 stay together. Those figures are low enough to make it where any of the Big 12 remnants would jump to another power conference but not low enough to make the AAC attractive.

(07-28-2021 07:59 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Nebraska & Colorado left the Big XII because of Texas. Nebraska hasn't been shy with their unhappiness in some of their policies. Is it unreasonable to think both those come back into the fold?

an extra $50MM/year for Nebraska probably cures what ails them. Colorado gets extra $$ + security of the P12. Don't think they are moving.

(07-28-2021 08:37 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 07:35 AM)Capt Ed Wrote:  ESPN will tell us what to do. Personally, my two adds would be Marshall, obviously, and JMU. While I despise JMU, they would bring lots to the table, have good facilities, have existing strong rivalries with current SB teams, and, I believe ESPN looks favorably on them.

I’d take Liberty before I take JMU. Not that JMU isn’t a good school with a stellar program, but I’d like to shake off the yolk of being an FCS call up conference. I think we’re at a place now where we’re a pretty attractive landing spot. If we can get Marshall, we can definitely get another CUSA or Liberty to join too.

the last 3 FCS callups have done pretty well by the SBC. Give me JMU and Marshall and you've got a hell of a league.

Appalachian State, Marshall, and JMU in the North. Yeah, I would think that could get quite competitive fairly fast. I would also like to point out that all 3 of those schools can fill their respective stadiums on any given Saturday. Pending what kind of team they have and the competition they are facing.