(11-02-2021 11:25 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(11-02-2021 11:08 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Good series Atlanta. Better team won. Very happy for your team and fans. Well earned go celebrate!

Thank you, Houston was a worthy opponent and played very well as well. Braves beat three very good teams to earn their victory this year. And unlike the dogers, it wasn't an asterisk of a shortened season, or tainted in any other way. This world Series win for the Atlanta Braves was about as pure as you could get from as close to a total team effort and organizational effort top to bottom as I have ever seen. Tough to watch Ronald Acuna, Jr. who was cheering, but dying to play and couldn't. Much as I would have liked to win it at home on Sunday, something extra satisfying to know that the last sounds that will be echoing through Minute Maid Park and in the city of Houston all winter into the spring are the Tomahawk Chant and Chop of the 2021 World Champion Atlanta Braves! Congrats, fellas, you certainly deserved it and beat three of the best teams in the playoffs this year to earn it!

Way to go Bravos!!!!!! World Series Champs!!!!!!

(11-03-2021 10:07 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Hi I'm commissioner Rob Manfred and

*boos*

I'm delighted to present the

*louder boos*

World Series trophy to the

*very loud boos*

World Champion Atlanta Braves

*mixed boos and cheers*

*Manfred smiling huge while duck waddling right the hell out of there immediately*

Commissioner Manfred deserved those boos too, after what he did to Atlanta earlier this year!!!!

I'll admit, I wasn't rooting for the Braves.

But this is pretty darn awesome!-

and this is really cool- good job Braves-

(11-04-2021 02:41 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 10:07 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Hi I'm commissioner Rob Manfred and

*boos*

I'm delighted to present the

*louder boos*

World Series trophy to the

*very loud boos*

World Champion Atlanta Braves

*mixed boos and cheers*

*Manfred smiling huge while duck waddling right the hell out of there immediately*

Commissioner Manfred deserved those boos too, after what he did to Atlanta earlier this year!!!!

(11-05-2021 01:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I'll admit, I wasn't rooting for the Braves.

But this is pretty darn awesome!-

What did he do to Atlanta? I assume you mean move the ASG?

1 name here is definitely not like the others-

(11-11-2021 08:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  1 name here is definitely not like the others-

Not Ronald Acuña, Jr. I guess. Maybe Fernando? Will miss the good-hittingmpitchers of yore with the DH in the NL. Max Fried is just latest pitcher who regularly helps himself with his bat hat will not get to do so anymore if/when they implement it.


BTW, this is a cool-looking award trophy:


The World Series-champion Braves led the way with four winners, tied for the second most by any team in a single season, behind the 1980 Cardinals with five. First-time winners included Vladimir Guerrero Jr. and Shohei Ohtani, while Freddie Freeman, Fernando Tatis Jr. and Juan Soto were among the players who repeated after winning in 2020.

NL winner: 1B Freddie Freeman, Braves (third win)
Freeman, the 2020 NL MVP and a newly minted World Series champion, earned his third consecutive Silver Slugger Award after hitting .300 with 31 homers, an .896 OPS and an NL-leading 120 runs scored over 159 games. In Braves history, only Brian McCann (five), Dale Murphy (four) and Tom Glavine (four) have won more Silver Slugger Awards than Freeman.
3 Blue Jays win Silver Slugger

NL winner: 2B Ozzie Albies, Braves (second win)
Albies carved out a piece of positional history in 2021, becoming the fourth second baseman to record 30-plus homers, 20-plus steals and 100-plus RBIs in a single season. The others: Hall of Famer Ryne Sandberg in 1990, Alfonso Soriano in 2002 and 2005 and Javier Báez in 2018. The performance earned the 24-year-old his second career Silver Slugger Award.

NL winner: 3B Austin Riley, Braves (first win)
Only three players had at least a .300 average, 30 homers and 100 RBIs in 2021: Vladimir Guerrero Jr., Nick Castellanos and Riley. The 24-year-old stepped up after Ronald Acuna Jr. suffered a season-ending ACL tear, hitting .333 with 19 homers, 65 RBIs and a .976 OPS in the second half to sew up his first Silver Slugger Award. The last Braves third baseman to win one? Hall of Famer Chipper Jones in 2000.

NL winner: P Max Fried, Braves (first win)
Pitchers returned to hitting in 2021 after a one-year hiatus, and no NL hurler had more hits (15) than Fried. He batted .273 and posted a .322 on-base percentage over 67 plate appearances to become the first Atlanta pitcher since Mike Hampton (2003) to win a Silver Slugger Award.

rest of list here: https://www.mlb.com/news/silver-slugger-...nners-2021

so I watched the Arizona Fall League All star game tonight...

they are using a pitch clock.

And it was glorious. 6-5 game was over in 2 hours and 30 minutes. They have got to bring that to MLB.

(11-14-2021 01:26 AM)stever20 Wrote:  so I watched the Arizona Fall League All star game tonight...

they are using a pitch clock.

And it was glorious. 6-5 game was over in 2 hours and 30 minutes. They have got to bring that to MLB.

I could not agree more with this. The gestures and adjustments by both batter and pitcher (at this point a lot them appear to be tics) drive me nuts. Remember Pedro Baez? That guy was just about unwatchable.

Tangotiger Cy Young predictor came up well short this year for the NL. Got 2nd and 3rd right (Wheeler, Scherzer), but Burnes was predicted 4th, and it wasn't really that close. Gonna have to revisit the algorithm...

is there anything more Max than this?

Harper, really?

(11-19-2021 10:21 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Harper, really?

He had the best offensive season. led in OPS by 45 points over Soto.

Not a real surprise at all.

(11-19-2021 11:00 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 10:21 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Harper, really?

He had the best offensive season. led in OPS by 45 points over Soto.

Not a real surprise at all.

I assume you're not saying leading in OPS means he had the best offensive season, but it kinda looks that way. That said, he also had the best wRC+, which is a terrific metric for offensive value.

On the other hand he was 2nd behind Turner in fWAR and 9th in bWAR for position players. If you just look at offensive bWAR he was tied for 3rd. I'm not advocating that the WAR scorecard ought to determine MVP but I'd like to see a guy whose defense is at best mediocre and generally lower than average be more dominant offensively to win an MVP.

No, it's not a surprise - he was certainly in the conversation. Bottom line is that I'm really not a fan of the guy so I'm biased and him getting MVP #2 just grates. To me Harper/Soto/Tatis had very similar seasons: Great offense, marginal defense and yeah, Harper's offense was probably better than the other two but I would have scored them all about the same with Harper edging out the other two.

Maybe I should have said, "Turner was only 5th???"

(11-19-2021 04:55 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 11:00 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 10:21 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Harper, really?

He had the best offensive season. led in OPS by 45 points over Soto.

Not a real surprise at all.

I assume you're not saying leading in OPS means he had the best offensive season, but it kinda looks that way. That said, he also had the best wRC+, which is a terrific metric for offensive value.

On the other hand he was 2nd behind Turner in fWAR and 9th in bWAR for position players. If you just look at offensive bWAR he was tied for 3rd. I'm not advocating that the WAR scorecard ought to determine MVP but I'd like to see a guy whose defense is at best mediocre and generally lower than average be more dominant offensively to win an MVP.

No, it's not a surprise - he was certainly in the conversation. Bottom line is that I'm really not a fan of the guy so I'm biased and him getting MVP #2 just grates. To me Harper/Soto/Tatis had very similar seasons: Great offense, marginal defense and yeah, Harper's offense was probably better than the other two but I would have scored them all about the same with Harper edging out the other two.

Maybe I should have said, "Turner was only 5th???"

Turner wasn't close to good enough offensively. His OPS was way behind any of the top 3. wRC+ he was "only" 142 compared to 170 for Harper 163 for Soto, and 156 for Tatis.

I too find Harper VASTLY OVERRATED! Given what we were told about him coming up, he should have 7 or 8 MVP and Gold Gloves, not to mention MUCH better numbers.

(11-19-2021 07:41 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  I too find Harper VASTLY OVERRATED! Given what we were told about him coming up, he should have 7 or 8 MVP and Gold Gloves, not to mention MUCH better numbers.

He only not even 10 years in has already 267 homers, 1273 hits, 752 RBI and 40.1 bWAR/43.3 fWAR. 2 MVP awards and ROY award. Right on track for being in the HOF.

Given what we’re told about him, I expected his average season to be more like:

50’HR
150 RBI
200 H
,350/,450/,550 slash line

(11-19-2021 06:35 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 04:55 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 11:00 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 10:21 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Harper, really?

He had the best offensive season. led in OPS by 45 points over Soto.

Not a real surprise at all.

I assume you're not saying leading in OPS means he had the best offensive season, but it kinda looks that way. That said, he also had the best wRC+, which is a terrific metric for offensive value.

On the other hand he was 2nd behind Turner in fWAR and 9th in bWAR for position players. If you just look at offensive bWAR he was tied for 3rd. I'm not advocating that the WAR scorecard ought to determine MVP but I'd like to see a guy whose defense is at best mediocre and generally lower than average be more dominant offensively to win an MVP.

No, it's not a surprise - he was certainly in the conversation. Bottom line is that I'm really not a fan of the guy so I'm biased and him getting MVP #2 just grates. To me Harper/Soto/Tatis had very similar seasons: Great offense, marginal defense and yeah, Harper's offense was probably better than the other two but I would have scored them all about the same with Harper edging out the other two.

Maybe I should have said, "Turner was only 5th???"

Turner wasn't close to good enough offensively. His OPS was way behind any of the top 3. wRC+ he was "only" 142 compared to 170 for Harper 163 for Soto, and 156 for Tatis.

This is exactly my point. His offense was plenty good enough but voters don't understand and/or don't care about defensive impact.

(11-22-2021 12:05 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 06:35 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 04:55 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 11:00 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-19-2021 10:21 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Harper, really?

He had the best offensive season. led in OPS by 45 points over Soto.

Not a real surprise at all.

I assume you're not saying leading in OPS means he had the best offensive season, but it kinda looks that way. That said, he also had the best wRC+, which is a terrific metric for offensive value.

On the other hand he was 2nd behind Turner in fWAR and 9th in bWAR for position players. If you just look at offensive bWAR he was tied for 3rd. I'm not advocating that the WAR scorecard ought to determine MVP but I'd like to see a guy whose defense is at best mediocre and generally lower than average be more dominant offensively to win an MVP.

No, it's not a surprise - he was certainly in the conversation. Bottom line is that I'm really not a fan of the guy so I'm biased and him getting MVP #2 just grates. To me Harper/Soto/Tatis had very similar seasons: Great offense, marginal defense and yeah, Harper's offense was probably better than the other two but I would have scored them all about the same with Harper edging out the other two.

Maybe I should have said, "Turner was only 5th???"

Turner wasn't close to good enough offensively. His OPS was way behind any of the top 3. wRC+ he was "only" 142 compared to 170 for Harper 163 for Soto, and 156 for Tatis.

This is exactly my point. His offense was plenty good enough but voters don't understand and/or don't care about defensive impact.

142 wRC+ for NL MVP is extremely low. I think for a lot of voters that just wasn't good enough. And he wasn't as good as last year. If he had been at 158 like 2020 I think he might have won it.

I wasn't shocked at all where Trea was.