(01-14-2021 12:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-14-2021 09:57 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(01-14-2021 09:11 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  I would just say lets go get 'em next time, but they flat out stole this election and there is no accountability for it. Not in the media, not in the courts, not with the sellouts in congress already.

So what do we do? If they stole this one, they'll steal the next one. They have all the power.

I'm not optimistic. Not at all.

Don't the GOP control most of the state houses? How about you enact some voting process reforms that should have been done years ago. Do it now so it can get through the courts before November 2022.

That's where people need to focus.

yup, but the people evidently have ADD

(01-14-2021 12:08 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(01-14-2021 11:43 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(01-14-2021 11:40 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  This will all play out in the Senate and various courts of law around the nation. However, Trump invited them to DC. Why? What did he want them to do? He asked them to "fight like hell", for what? Who were they fighting?

He told them specially to engage in a peaceful protest.

Not at the rally before they rioted. He did after it was over and he was safe inside the Oval Office.

He was still talking when the riot started. The people listening to him were not there.

(01-14-2021 07:41 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  And they are using that LIE to enact fascist nazi behavior againt Trump, anyone who has worked for him and millions of his voters and supporters.

If theses things go unchecked and unchallenged, then dark days are ahead for America because just like that was are a fascist nation with half the public in full support of it.

In other words we are already checkmated by the Marxists. Its over.

No, but the time for civil discourse is coming to an end.

You cannot "unite" with a side that wants to silence you and strip your constitutional rights.
You cannot "unite" with a side that wants to put you out of business because of your political ideology.
You cannot "unite with a side that thinks your children should be taken and 'reeducated'.

The vast majority of liberals don't believe much if any of what I posted above. The problem is the vast majority of liberals in power believe exactly that and the 'common' liberal is too weak to speak up. They dependent on the state, to eager for the next handout, they seek affirmation for their idealistic beliefs that deep down inside they know aren't practical.

Right now I don't hold that against my liberal friends. Before long though, it will be a bridge too far to find common ground. I will not unite with someone who wants to limit my constitutional rights any further, or who accepts this 'cancel culture'. Cancel culture is nothing but the first step to social scorecards.


The liberal elite left is pushing hard right now. They are emboldened and know they can get away with this. They know they can frame the pushback from the right as 'dangerous' and reason to further their agenda even more.

(01-14-2021 12:08 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(01-14-2021 11:43 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(01-14-2021 11:40 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  This will all play out in the Senate and various courts of law around the nation. However, Trump invited them to DC. Why? What did he want them to do? He asked them to "fight like hell", for what? Who were they fighting?

He told them specially to engage in a peaceful protest.

Not at the rally before they rioted. He did after it was over and he was safe inside the Oval Office.

That is yet another lie, he said peaceful protest at the rally.

(01-14-2021 12:11 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(01-14-2021 12:03 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(01-14-2021 11:58 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  But I thought all those people were Antifa. The only lie I remember is the one trump told when he said he would walk with them. And the video doesn't show a peaceful group. They were ready to hang pence. Why do you need restraints, guns and armor for a peaceful demonstration.

99% of the protesters were peaceful. It was a tiny percentage who were not and there is no excusing their behavior no matter if they were antifa or Trump supporters.

But the fact remains that its a total lie that Trump induced a riot.

He was very specific that he was asking for a peaceful protest.

-He lied to them for 2 months about voter fraud that he could never prove.
-He invited them (via Twitter) to DC on January 6th.
-He and others riled up the crowd with incendiary words.
-The rioters who committed crimes specifically said that they were doing it because DJT told them to.

I'm sure that a court will sort it out but he's probably got some liability.

- Saying he believed there was voter fraud is not a crime
- Telling people to have a protest at the capital is not a crime
- calling for a peaceful protest is not inciting a riot
- the only thing that matters is what Trump said, and we have his words on record


The simple fact is the media and the left are flat out lying about this and you have no problem spreading the lie or making excuses for it.

Little kid shakes soda can and suddenly feigns aghast when it sprays all over everyone in the room. "I didn't mean for that to happen!" He proclaims. Fools will believe him.

(01-14-2021 12:46 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Little kid shakes soda can and suddenly feigns aghast when it sprays all over everyone in the room. "I didn't mean for that to happen!" He proclaims. Fools will believe him.

What a pathetically dishonest comment.

The simple fact is Trump either called for a peaceful protest or he did not. The record shows he specifically called for a peaceful protest.

The left has been calling Trump AND his supporters nazi's, white supremacists and the literal worst things in the English vocabulary for over 4 full years. Not to mention many have OPENLY called for unrest and violence in the streets and praised it when it happened.

Many famous people have openly talked about blowing up the white house, murdering the president and murdering his family.

(01-14-2021 10:41 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-14-2021 08:34 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  - China sucks, but they make all the cool schidt we like to use and do not really care how much it costs. If that pipeline was truly shut off, people would be pissed and push back.

China pipeline could be replaced. There are millions with similar demographics in Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, and India. We could reprise Truman's 1940s bribing up an alliance to contain China. We give you military protection against China's adventurism, and we relocate jobs from China to you, and in exchange you play on our team.

Global corporations don't want to do that. There is mfg in those countries but not the level in China. The CCP and the GlobalCorps are totally merged in various ways.

(01-14-2021 07:41 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  I realize this is captain obvious stuff for some here, but it bears repeating many times.

Trump did NOT incite violence on the capital, he told his people to go and peacefully protest and make their voices heard.

Trump has every right to tell his people to "fight" for their country and peacefully protect at the capital, the left uses FAR harsher language than that all the time and it has routinely led to violence.

I don't agree with him giving his voters false hope like he did, and I don't agree with how he did Mike Pence. And I am glad Pence stood up to him on it.

But the charge that Trump incited violence is just a big fat lie.

And they are using that LIE to enact fascist nazi behavior againt Trump, anyone who has worked for him and millions of his voters and supporters.

If theses things go unchecked and unchallenged, then dark days are ahead for America because just like that was are a fascist nation with half the public in full support of it.

In other words we are already checkmated by the Marxists. Its over.

What is going on over this is plain evil and goes againt everything America stands against.

The man is being impeached, stripped of his 1st amendment rights and virtually purged from society over something he did not say and did not do.

The whole thing is a lie, and look how far they are able to take that lie?

What an evil, evil time this is.

His 1st amendment rights are just fine. When you find the constitutional right to tweet that's been infringed upon let me know.

(01-14-2021 12:46 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Little kid shakes soda can and suddenly feigns aghast when it sprays all over everyone in the room. "I didn't mean for that to happen!" He proclaims. Fools will believe him.

The FBI has indicated it was a pre-planned premeditated plot by several groups (they even warned DC ahead of time and were apparently ignored). So, unless you believe a guy manufactured 2 bombs while standing in the crowd listening to Trump's speech---then the president didnt incite anything. Furthermore the words he actually spoke specifically asked the crowd NOT to violently riot---but to be "peaceful and patriotic"---hardly the stuff of inciting a violent riot. Finally, you cant incite something that already has happened. The capital was already in the process of being breached while the president was still speaking. This is what happens when Congress doesnt talk to witness's, doesnt look at evidence, and goes off half cocked on yet another poorly supported irrational political witch hunt motivated by little more than hate.

So a closer anology is that a kid walks into a room where a shaken coke can has already been opened and sprayed everywhere---and then gets blamed for it.

(01-14-2021 02:01 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  His 1st amendment rights are just fine. When you find the constitutional right to tweet that's been infringed upon let me know.

You are not this stupid.

The government is colluding with and using the social media monopolies as a proxy to silence him and strip him of the basic freedom of virtual speech all Americans have access to in modern times.

And its all based on a flat out lie.

(01-14-2021 12:20 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(01-14-2021 12:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-14-2021 09:57 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(01-14-2021 09:11 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  I would just say lets go get 'em next time, but they flat out stole this election and there is no accountability for it. Not in the media, not in the courts, not with the sellouts in congress already.

So what do we do? If they stole this one, they'll steal the next one. They have all the power.

I'm not optimistic. Not at all.

Don't the GOP control most of the state houses? How about you enact some voting process reforms that should have been done years ago. Do it now so it can get through the courts before November 2022.

That's where people need to focus.

yup, but the people evidently have ADD

No; they just want to point fingers and blame someone else for their loss. They simply cannot fathom that more people voted for the other guy, because they have been swallowing alternate reality via Trump for months, if not years.

I don't agree with your opinion on Pence. He's a big wuss and that's what you wouldn't gotten if he ever became president. He is immasculated and doesn't deserve to have served under Trump his true colors shown and he might as well go into private practice doing whatever he did before he became a pawn of the Socialists. All the evidence was out there and it seems China (and Soros) has everyone in their grip with their Tigergreens. Who says money doesn't move mountains?

Even the good Lord knows sometimes it takes battles for good to succeed. The civil war was a good example.

(01-14-2021 12:03 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(01-14-2021 11:58 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  But I thought all those people were Antifa. The only lie I remember is the one trump told when he said he would walk with them. And the video doesn't show a peaceful group. They were ready to hang pence. Why do you need restraints, guns and armor for a peaceful demonstration.

99% of the protesters were peaceful. It was a tiny percentage who were not and there is no excusing their behavior no matter if they were antifa or Trump supporters.

But the fact remains that its a total lie that Trump induced a riot.

He was very specific that he was asking for a peaceful protest.

That 99% were peaceful was also said by liberals during the BLM protests. But that didn't matter to me then and it doesn't matter to me now, whatever amount of peaceful protesters there were, both have been completely overshadowed by those that opted to burn down buildings or invade the US Capitol. I do agree that there is no excusing their behavior and they should be prosecuted.

(01-14-2021 02:22 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  

(01-14-2021 12:03 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(01-14-2021 11:58 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  But I thought all those people were Antifa. The only lie I remember is the one trump told when he said he would walk with them. And the video doesn't show a peaceful group. They were ready to hang pence. Why do you need restraints, guns and armor for a peaceful demonstration.

99% of the protesters were peaceful. It was a tiny percentage who were not and there is no excusing their behavior no matter if they were antifa or Trump supporters.

But the fact remains that its a total lie that Trump induced a riot.

He was very specific that he was asking for a peaceful protest.

That 99% were peaceful was also said by liberals during the BLM protests. But that didn't matter to me then and it doesn't matter to me now, whatever amount of peaceful protesters there were, both have been completely overshadowed by those that opted to burn down buildings or invade the US Capitol. I do agree that there is no excusing their behavior and they should be prosecuted.

I never blamed the peaceful liberal protesters and I don't blame the peaceful Trump protesters. They are not guilty of anything and they should not be treated like they are.

(01-14-2021 09:11 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  I would just say lets go get 'em next time, but they flat out stole this election and there is no accountability for it. Not in the media, not in the courts, not with the sellouts in congress already.

So what do we do? If they stole this one, they'll steal the next one. They have all the power.

I'm not optimistic. Not at all.

Count me in with you. We're sunk and now the only thing the Demoncrapped want to do is sink that knife for the coup de grace. I'm sorry to admit it but when the VP is afraid of doing the right thing there's nothing in the future for us. They cheated and were able to get away with it and now they will just turn that screw tighter to make sure that they'll win by whatever means (probably by the same method). Anyone that is a history buff KNOWS that it exactly how the Nazis came into power. The Kaiser gave Hitler all the ammunition he needed (full powermode) and then it got worst for the people from there. The only difference was that in Germany the corporations weren't entirely in line with him but through threats and intimidation they went along and the people didn't have any say. If they didn't like the way the Nazis were treating some segments of their society they were afraid of speaking out from fear of retaliation. It's the same way here to a degree, it's not full fledged TOTALITARIANISM, but slowly with Big Pharma (control healthcare) the banks (Chase for example) against free speech (google, fb, twitter, etc) and of course a majority House and 50/50 senate they will just squeeze harder and no one has the power to stop them. The Demoncrapped and their minions also know it and Cons have an inkling that they have been immasculated because of their "be better" and stupidity. For some reason they assume the Demoncrapped have America's best interest at heart and and would do the right thing. Yep, the right thing for them.

(01-14-2021 09:32 AM)Claw Wrote:  They do NOT have all the power. They have a very slim advantage in each house. You only need to sway a few opinions on any given subject.

You ARE an optimist. Do you really think that there's Demoncrapped that would go against the flow. I don't...

(01-14-2021 12:11 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(01-14-2021 12:03 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(01-14-2021 11:58 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  But I thought all those people were Antifa. The only lie I remember is the one trump told when he said he would walk with them. And the video doesn't show a peaceful group. They were ready to hang pence. Why do you need restraints, guns and armor for a peaceful demonstration.

99% of the protesters were peaceful. It was a tiny percentage who were not and there is no excusing their behavior no matter if they were antifa or Trump supporters.

But the fact remains that its a total lie that Trump induced a riot.

He was very specific that he was asking for a peaceful protest.

-He lied to them for 2 months about voter fraud that he could never prove.
-He invited them (via Twitter) to DC on January 6th.
-He and others riled up the crowd with incendiary words.
-The rioters who committed crimes specifically said that they were doing it because DJT told them to.

I'm sure that a court will sort it out but he's probably got some liability.

The proof was watching observers be removed from counting rooms in violation of the law.

Democratic election officials committed crimes to prevent people from watching.

You can continue to deny, but everyone knows you're wrong.

And everybody knows the Dems cheated.