(09-23-2020 11:10 AM)Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 10:56 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 10:43 AM)cubucks Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 09:10 AM)Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 08:18 AM)otown Wrote:  Because at that point, why have any season if one is going to be annoited just because of their school name? There was no body of work and they simply are being given a playoff spot due to name recognition and preseason hype. How many times have we seen teams hyped in the preseason and they just can't close the deal during the regular season. That is completely unfair. If a team is allowed to get in simply because of hype and they played a few powderpuffs, then this seasons playoffs are a sham. Hell, the consistent argument about keeping undefeated G5s out of the playoffs is the knock on their schedule. A 5 or 6 win OSU with canceled games against PSU and Michigan would not be playoff material.

Only way out of this is to expand to 8 or more this year.

Agreed. Add to it that the Big 10 hasn't won a playoff game since Ohio State won the first playoff, why should room be made for a 5-0 team with 5 creampuffs as though they'll contribute anything more than a G5?

I agree with your statement of a 5-0 Big Ten school being left out, IF nothing crazy happens to other conferences and that truly is all the games the BIG can play.

And to your point of not winning a game since Ohio State? Why does the Big 12 and Oklahoma always get a pass with the southern folks? At least Ohio State won it all, right? I'm sure every school in the Big 12, Pac, SEC not named Alabama or LSU, ACC not named Clemson and any "G5" school would take Ohio States CFP resume in a second. Being beat by Clemson does not bother me as much as some may think, they are fu**ing unbelievable right now.

And to the crazies out there saying Ohio State would have been boat-raced by TCU in 2014? Please! Just like they should have been boat-raced by Oregon, right? You know, the team that destroyed every team it played, including Florida State that year. Oregon didn't look too spectacular against that 2014 Ohio State defense.

I think everyone knows that I am not the biggest Big Ten or Ohio State fan around, but I agree with your bolded statement completely here.

Other than Alabama and Clemson, fans of any school that diss OSU's CFP resume are just jealous.

Almost every fan of every school in America would love their team to have the successful track record of Ohio State.

And yes, as a fan of a team who lost to Clemson in the playoffs and may again on November 7th, there is no shame in losing to that steamroller.

My point in all of this is why should a team that plays 5 easy games (based upon prior posts on this thread & others) get in over a G5 who goes undefeated in 10 games?

The whole thing that gets held against G5s is their schedule, so why should a team from a conference that's winless since the first playoff get in over them for going undefeated in 5 easy games? Seems to me that in that case, an undefeated G5 who has 10 wins would absolutely have a case for being put in over any undefeated P5 who only plays 5 games against the easiest teams in their conference. That includes ANY of the P5s if that were to happen.

A conversation about a school playing ~4-5 games less than schools of other conferences is relevant. As a fan of both tOSU and UN-L, I think it would be very unethical for a BIG school to get in the CFP over others in a scenario like you've mentioned. I truly hope the committee considers all things when deciding a 4 team playoff.

What team or conference that has not won a playoff game in 5 years is irrelevant. None of that crap matters in 2020. If it did, Oklahoma should automatically be disqualified for their past performances in the CFP. IT DOES NOT MATTER! Do you honestly think that the committee should say, "We had Ohio State in at 5-0, but the Big Ten hasn't won since 2014 so we're leaving them out"? What about "we had an undefeated Oklahoma school in, but they are currently 0-4 in the CFP so we are leaving them out"?

(09-23-2020 09:10 AM)Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 08:18 AM)otown Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 07:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 05:44 AM)otown Wrote:  

(09-22-2020 09:56 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I don't mind talking about it, and I have no problem with you focusing on the B1G (and maybe the PAC too if they end up joining the party) as they do indeed have the least margin for error and are likely to end up playing the fewest games. The reality is covid is going to affect games every week, and whereas right now teams like ND and Wake Forest can still talk the language of "postpone", very soon it will be the case that games will be canceled, period as the slack and leeway in all schedules will soon be all squeezed out. And the B1G is in the most perilous situation.

Nevertheless, given that Ohio State is unanimously regarded as a top-3 team, if they win all their games, even if it is just 5 or 6 and against weaker B1G foes, I expect them to make the playoffs over even a runner-up SEC team that is 9-1. It's just the way it is going to be and frankly I am OK with that. The SEC champ will get in and the 9-1 runner-up, well they had their chance and blew it.

BTW, I think that with the B1G coming back, the long-shot chances of a G5 in the CFP went from slim to none. There just isn't going to be any space for a G5 in the CFP because if you are saying a G5 is going to be in the CFP you are saying they get in over a P5 champ. IMO that just isn't happening.

If there are a bunch of 1 or 2 loss SEC teams not going to the playoffs due to a 5 or 6 win OSU that played powderpuffs....... you can be damn sure I will raise hell as well as most other people. How can you be ok with that?

I don't doubt that many will raise hell. People always raise hell when they are left out, but IMO most will be OK with it. A playoffs that lacks an unbeaten Ohio State, even a 6-0 Ohio State, just won't be viewed as legit without them.

Because at that point, why have any season if one is going to be annoited just because of their school name? There was no body of work and they simply are being given a playoff spot due to name recognition and preseason hype. How many times have we seen teams hyped in the preseason and they just can't close the deal during the regular season. That is completely unfair. If a team is allowed to get in simply because of hype and they played a few powderpuffs, then this seasons playoffs are a sham. Hell, the consistent argument about keeping undefeated G5s out of the playoffs is the knock on their schedule. A 5 or 6 win OSU with canceled games against PSU and Michigan would not be playoff material.

Only way out of this is to expand to 8 or more this year.

Agreed. Add to it that the Big 10 hasn't won a playoff game since Ohio State won the first playoff, why should room be made for a 5-0 team with 5 creampuffs as though they'll contribute anything more than a G5?

Ultimately, it's just about who you think is better. That's how the CFP is decided. All the things like record and data points and SOS and everything else are inputs to that decision, but ultimately it's just a decision you make based on an overall assessment.

For my part, I look at that Ohio State team, loaded with players from last year's team that came within an eyelash of playing for the national title, and I probably think they are deserving at 5-0. I mean, if UCF is 10-0 against their schedule, and Ohio State is 5-0 vs whoever they end up playing, how many people are actually thinking that UCF is the better team?

Maybe 1%?

Houston-North Texas is cancelled, the 4th season opener for UH that has been called off, which is just hilarious at this point

Tulsa-Arkansas State is postponed

(09-23-2020 02:08 PM)HatterFan Wrote:  Houston-North Texas is cancelled, the 4th season opener for UH that has been called off, which is just hilarious at this point

Tulsa-Arkansas State is postponed

Hilarious for anyone outside of the program I guess. Its our 5th canceled game. Its getting pretty damn irritating at this point.

(09-23-2020 02:21 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 02:08 PM)HatterFan Wrote:  Houston-North Texas is cancelled, the 4th season opener for UH that has been called off, which is just hilarious at this point

Tulsa-Arkansas State is postponed

Hilarious for anyone outside of the program I guess. Its our 5th canceled game. Its getting pretty damn irritating at this point.

It doubly sucks because IIRC, you guys have been covid-clean, it's the other school that keeps having to cancel.

I feel for you.

(09-23-2020 02:45 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 02:21 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 02:08 PM)HatterFan Wrote:  Houston-North Texas is cancelled, the 4th season opener for UH that has been called off, which is just hilarious at this point

Tulsa-Arkansas State is postponed

Hilarious for anyone outside of the program I guess. Its our 5th canceled game. Its getting pretty damn irritating at this point.

It doubly sucks because IIRC, you guys have been covid-clean, it's the other school that keeps having to cancel.

I feel for you.

Thats the thing. Every cancelation up this point has been because of the other team. Eventually we're bound to have an outbreak of our own which could mean even more cancelations. Tulsa had a cancelation this weekend as well, so I'm hoping we can just move up our game to this weekend. Otherwise I'm not sure we get a game off this season.

(09-23-2020 02:51 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 02:45 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 02:21 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 02:08 PM)HatterFan Wrote:  Houston-North Texas is cancelled, the 4th season opener for UH that has been called off, which is just hilarious at this point

Tulsa-Arkansas State is postponed

Hilarious for anyone outside of the program I guess. Its our 5th canceled game. Its getting pretty damn irritating at this point.

It doubly sucks because IIRC, you guys have been covid-clean, it's the other school that keeps having to cancel.

I feel for you.

Thats the thing. Every cancelation up this point has been because of the other team. Eventually we're bound to have an outbreak of our own which could mean even more cancelations. Tulsa had a cancelation this weekend as well, so I'm hoping we can just move up our game to this weekend. Otherwise I'm not sure we get a game off this season.

Houston should start holding (and charging for) seminars on how to keep a team covid-free. One problem you face is that Texas remains a major hot-spot, which is why these other Texas schools keep canceling on you. But you're managing to keep it together.

(09-23-2020 02:56 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 02:51 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 02:45 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 02:21 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 02:08 PM)HatterFan Wrote:  Houston-North Texas is cancelled, the 4th season opener for UH that has been called off, which is just hilarious at this point

Tulsa-Arkansas State is postponed

Hilarious for anyone outside of the program I guess. Its our 5th canceled game. Its getting pretty damn irritating at this point.

It doubly sucks because IIRC, you guys have been covid-clean, it's the other school that keeps having to cancel.

I feel for you.

Thats the thing. Every cancelation up this point has been because of the other team. Eventually we're bound to have an outbreak of our own which could mean even more cancelations. Tulsa had a cancelation this weekend as well, so I'm hoping we can just move up our game to this weekend. Otherwise I'm not sure we get a game off this season.

Houston should start holding (and charging for) seminars on how to keep a team covid-free. One problem you face is that Texas remains a major hot-spot, which is why these other Texas schools keep canceling on you. But you're managing to keep it together.

The irony of course is that we were widely scrutinized for resuming athletic activities in the summer without testing. We had an initial outbreak in the summer but since then we have been solid. I guess the initial embarrasment heightened our program's focus.

(09-23-2020 02:21 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 02:08 PM)HatterFan Wrote:  Houston-North Texas is cancelled, the 4th season opener for UH that has been called off, which is just hilarious at this point

Tulsa-Arkansas State is postponed

Hilarious for anyone outside of the program I guess. Its our 5th canceled game. Its getting pretty damn irritating at this point.

Maybe they're just trying to tell you they're really not that into you.

(09-23-2020 02:21 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 02:08 PM)HatterFan Wrote:  Houston-North Texas is cancelled, the 4th season opener for UH that has been called off, which is just hilarious at this point

Tulsa-Arkansas State is postponed

Hilarious for anyone outside of the program I guess. Its our 5th canceled game. Its getting pretty damn irritating at this point.

You should schedule ODU. We already cancelled our season so it takes all the guesswork out of it.

USF vs FAU postponed

Apparently, this was USF's doing, we do not have any positive covid tests, but this is a result of Notre Dame, this past week's opponent, postponing its game vs Wake Forest. "Contact tracing" or whatever.

This makes no sense to me, but it is what it is.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...st-results

(09-23-2020 04:10 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 02:21 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(09-23-2020 02:08 PM)HatterFan Wrote:  Houston-North Texas is cancelled, the 4th season opener for UH that has been called off, which is just hilarious at this point

Tulsa-Arkansas State is postponed

Hilarious for anyone outside of the program I guess. Its our 5th canceled game. Its getting pretty damn irritating at this point.

You should schedule ODU. We already cancelled our season so it takes all the guesswork out of it.

Who knew College Football was like a message board and everyone has Houston on ignore!

(09-23-2020 04:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  USF vs FAU postponed

Apparently, this was USF's doing, we do not have any positive covid tests, but this is a result of Notre Dame, this past week's opponent, postponing its game vs Wake Forest. "Contact tracing" or whatever.

This makes no sense to me, but it is what it is.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...st-results

USF did not want to face The Beaker

(09-23-2020 04:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  USF vs FAU postponed

Apparently, this was USF's doing, we do not have any positive covid tests, but this is a result of Notre Dame, this past week's opponent, postponing its game vs Wake Forest. "Contact tracing" or whatever.

This makes no sense to me, but it is what it is.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...st-results

You should sue! Your guys were never exposed, you couldn't have been because you never tackled anyone and 52-0 proves it!

Georgia State at Charlotte is postponed due to positive tests within the GSU program; the schools will try to reschedule it.

December 5 is the lone mutual off week; I think it's safe to presume neither the Sun Belt nor CUSA will be holding its title games on 12/5 and using that week for various makeup games, so call this one a maybe.

If Ohio State only plays the bottom of the little10, the SOS isn't any better than beat AAC or other top G5 schools. I would favor a G5 school that found a way to play 10,11,12 games and conference championship game. I would love to a see a 12 or 13-0 G5 to get in the playoff this year over a 5-0 P5 school

Houston at Memphis rescheduled for December 5, as expected - likely pushing the AAC Championship to 12/12 or 12/19.

North Carolina replaces Charlotte with in-state FCS opponent Western Carolina (their only game of the fall) on Friday, Dec. 11. The ACC Championship is tentatively scheduled for the following day, but with Notre Dame playing the Wake Forest makeup game as well as UVA-VT makeup on 12/12 it is reasonable to forecast the title game getting pushed to December 19.

(09-25-2020 07:56 PM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  If Ohio State only plays the bottom of the little10, the SOS isn't any better than beat AAC or other top G5 schools. I would favor a G5 school that found a way to play 10,11,12 games and conference championship game. I would love to a see a 12 or 13-0 G5 to get in the playoff this year over a 5-0 P5 school

Tell that to ESPiN. The committee, whether we like it or not, has the influence Of ESPiN that IS paying for this.

(09-25-2020 07:56 PM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  If Ohio State only plays the bottom of the little10, the SOS isn't any better than beat AAC or other top G5 schools. I would favor a G5 school that found a way to play 10,11,12 games and conference championship game. I would love to a see a 12 or 13-0 G5 to get in the playoff this year over a 5-0 P5 school

This will never happen because this whole system is based on hypocrisy. They change the subjective rules that they live by every year to meet their objective and narrative.
The biggest egregious case of hypocrisy will be this year if they do in fact put in a 5-0 P5 whose SOS is next to nothing if their most challenging games are cancelled. The argument year in and year out about keeping a G5 team out was because of the subjective "body of work" and SOS. That goes out the window if a 5-0 P5 team with a SOS no better than an undefeated G5 10-0 champ gets selected.

Some on this board would argue that the P5 team that was very powerful last year and returned most of its players subjectively are one of the top teams but circumstances out of their control did not allow them to have a full season. Therefore they argue that by all merits, they are still a top team.

Well my counter is boo freaking hoo. G5 teams always have circumstances to deal with that are not in their control...... their perceived weak schedules. So when this argument goes against a P5 we are suddenly supposed to create new rules and just annoit a team based on their name and perceived potential? What the hell is that?

(09-29-2020 09:56 AM)otown Wrote:  

(09-25-2020 07:56 PM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  If Ohio State only plays the bottom of the little10, the SOS isn't any better than beat AAC or other top G5 schools. I would favor a G5 school that found a way to play 10,11,12 games and conference championship game. I would love to a see a 12 or 13-0 G5 to get in the playoff this year over a 5-0 P5 school

This will never happen because this whole system is based on hypocrisy. They change the subjective rules that they live by every year to meet their objective and narrative.
The biggest egregious case of hypocrisy will be this year if they do in fact put in a 5-0 P5 whose SOS is next to nothing if their most challenging games are cancelled. The argument year in and year out about keeping a G5 team out was because of the subjective "body of work" and SOS. That goes out the window if a 5-0 P5 team with a SOS no better than an undefeated G5 10-0 champ gets selected.

Some on this board would argue that the P5 team that was very powerful last year and returned most of its players subjectively are one of the top teams but circumstances out of their control did not allow them to have a full season. Therefore they argue that by all merits, they are still a top team.

Well my counter is boo freaking hoo. G5 teams always have circumstances to deal with that are not in their control...... their perceived weak schedules. So when this argument goes against a P5 we are suddenly supposed to create new rules and just annoit a team based on their name and perceived potential? What the hell is that?

Let's face it: What kind of playoff would have less legitimacy, a CFP with say a 10-0 Memphis team but without a 5-0 Ohio State team, or say a 5-0 Clemson team (let's say half their games end up canceled by covid) or vice-versa?

Basically, if Ohio State/Clemson isn't in the playoffs, people will have big doubts as to the validity of the champion. Nobody will feel the same if Memphis is left out. So the former have to be in, because ultimately the CFP is about matching the four teams people think are the best.