Moot? There's no football. What else you want to do? Arguing is all we got. :D

But Paul J will just go on with how “ It’s such a challenge “ / “ If ND can’t do it / Oh no, the horror of it all / how will the MAC circumvent these troubled times ???

(09-24-2020 12:28 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(09-24-2020 11:18 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  Some people prefer to think those issues fatal to the season, some obviously do not. You state that not even one of the richest colleges... can get through the CFB season but obviously, they are. Just not in a traditional manner.

ND had to reschedule one game already, so yes COVID presenting a rich college challenges that will remain for rest of season. What happens if they have a second outbreak or their scheduled opponent does. What will the MAC face with fewer resources and much less testing if they attempt a season? We will not know until December/January how the CFB season will go, but it clear there are significant barriers and challenges to be aware of and cautious. My point is that we all need to be realistic and have open eyes to the difficulty CFB and the MAC are facing as much as we would all love to see CFB proceed.

“ My point is we all need to be realistic and have open eyes to the difficulty CFB and the MAC are facing...
Look Paul, you seem to be a pretty level headed guy with most of the dialogue that you share on this board, but I believe there is a distinct difference in being a realist or an eternal pessimist in regards to the future of Rocket/college football...

Not sure how this turns out but don’t see a plus to Spring FB in any way. If the MAC can’t afford the testing, shut it down. Just stay the course, have open Spring scrimmages, light contact, etc. come back ready for 2021.

(09-24-2020 03:42 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  This whole argument is moot...6 game schedule starting in November, announcement coming soon-ish.

Starting in November won't be pretty. The Rockets always play flat in their first cold game, and that's after several weeks of warm ups. Starting in November and playing into December could be brutal, weather-wise. I guess everybody's in the same boat, though. I just hope we don't have to go to Buffalo. Mt. Pleasant in December sounds not-so-pleasant.

It's going to be a screwy season anyway. Maybe save some money and just have a tournament. Have the final in Athens or Oxford, either of which might be a couple degrees warmer than Detroit in December.

(09-24-2020 11:44 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(09-24-2020 03:42 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  This whole argument is moot...6 game schedule starting in November, announcement coming soon-ish.

Starting in November won't be pretty. The Rockets always play flat in their first cold game, and that's after several weeks of warm ups. Starting in November and playing into December could be brutal, weather-wise. I guess everybody's in the same boat, though. I just hope we don't have to go to Buffalo. Mt. Pleasant in December sounds not-so-pleasant.

It's going to be a screwy season anyway. Maybe save some money and just have a tournament. Have the final in Athens or Oxford, either of which might be a couple degrees warmer than Detroit in December.

I remember a MAC Championship loss in Huntington, WV that didn’t look too comfortable. Championship stays in Detroit, please.

(09-24-2020 11:44 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(09-24-2020 03:42 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  This whole argument is moot...6 game schedule starting in November, announcement coming soon-ish.

Starting in November won't be pretty. The Rockets always play flat in their first cold game, and that's after several weeks of warm ups. Starting in November and playing into December could be brutal, weather-wise. I guess everybody's in the same boat, though. I just hope we don't have to go to Buffalo. Mt. Pleasant in December sounds not-so-pleasant.

It's going to be a screwy season anyway. Maybe save some money and just have a tournament. Have the final in Athens or Oxford, either of which might be a couple degrees warmer than Detroit in December.

They're trying to get a season in to be able to collect their pittance from the CFP disbursement to conferences.

(09-25-2020 10:58 AM)PTLROCK Wrote:  

(09-24-2020 11:44 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(09-24-2020 03:42 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  This whole argument is moot...6 game schedule starting in November, announcement coming soon-ish.

Starting in November won't be pretty. The Rockets always play flat in their first cold game, and that's after several weeks of warm ups. Starting in November and playing into December could be brutal, weather-wise. I guess everybody's in the same boat, though. I just hope we don't have to go to Buffalo. Mt. Pleasant in December sounds not-so-pleasant.

It's going to be a screwy season anyway. Maybe save some money and just have a tournament. Have the final in Athens or Oxford, either of which might be a couple degrees warmer than Detroit in December.

I remember a MAC Championship loss in Huntington, WV that didn’t look too comfortable. Championship stays in Detroit, please.

Having been down in Huntington for the 97 MACC (Lots of snow) and a few years later when it was cold but clear, I believe the game belongs indoors at Ford Field...

(09-25-2020 10:58 AM)PTLROCK Wrote:  

(09-24-2020 11:44 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(09-24-2020 03:42 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  This whole argument is moot...6 game schedule starting in November, announcement coming soon-ish.

Starting in November won't be pretty. The Rockets always play flat in their first cold game, and that's after several weeks of warm ups. Starting in November and playing into December could be brutal, weather-wise. I guess everybody's in the same boat, though. I just hope we don't have to go to Buffalo. Mt. Pleasant in December sounds not-so-pleasant.

It's going to be a screwy season anyway. Maybe save some money and just have a tournament. Have the final in Athens or Oxford, either of which might be a couple degrees warmer than Detroit in December.

I remember a MAC Championship loss in Huntington, WV that didn’t look too comfortable. Championship stays in Detroit, please.

I know what you mean, but they could arrange a neutral site easily enough. Why Detroit if no fans anyway? Besides it would be very expensive compared to a school stadium I would think.

(09-25-2020 11:18 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(09-24-2020 11:44 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(09-24-2020 03:42 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  This whole argument is moot...6 game schedule starting in November, announcement coming soon-ish.

Starting in November won't be pretty. The Rockets always play flat in their first cold game, and that's after several weeks of warm ups. Starting in November and playing into December could be brutal, weather-wise. I guess everybody's in the same boat, though. I just hope we don't have to go to Buffalo. Mt. Pleasant in December sounds not-so-pleasant.

It's going to be a screwy season anyway. Maybe save some money and just have a tournament. Have the final in Athens or Oxford, either of which might be a couple degrees warmer than Detroit in December.

They're trying to get a season in to be able to collect their pittance from the CFP disbursement to conferences.

I see. But, if it's a pittance could it still end up a loss?

(09-25-2020 01:26 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(09-25-2020 11:18 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(09-24-2020 11:44 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(09-24-2020 03:42 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  This whole argument is moot...6 game schedule starting in November, announcement coming soon-ish.

Starting in November won't be pretty. The Rockets always play flat in their first cold game, and that's after several weeks of warm ups. Starting in November and playing into December could be brutal, weather-wise. I guess everybody's in the same boat, though. I just hope we don't have to go to Buffalo. Mt. Pleasant in December sounds not-so-pleasant.

It's going to be a screwy season anyway. Maybe save some money and just have a tournament. Have the final in Athens or Oxford, either of which might be a couple degrees warmer than Detroit in December.

They're trying to get a season in to be able to collect their pittance from the CFP disbursement to conferences.

I see. But, if it's a pittance could it still end up a loss?

I mean, that's a certainty...the AD spends 5 times it's revenue every year .

I don’t have any idea how much it costs the MAC to use Ford field. But it seems to me that putting the CCG back in the a home stadium rotating from one division to the other each year would be the best way to go. Aren’t you taking money out of a MAC team . The concessions, ticket sale, 50/50 drawing.
I liked going to the Glassbowl and watching our ROCKETS in the Championship game

(09-22-2020 08:24 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(09-22-2020 04:38 AM)Springboromark Wrote:  For Paul J, Ohio high schools are allowing fans, also there are concessions, its working. Why can't the MAC make it work, let's do it. Social distancing is being practice at the high schools, I have been there.

What high schools are offering concessions? I coach at a school locally and none of the stands have been open for the games I've been on the sidelines for...plus "allowing fans" is a bit disingenuous. I've only seen HS's allowing family of players and that's it. To me, if you do that at the College level, which I'm perfectly fine with, you don't need to open concessions up because it would be a waste of money to do so.

Springboro High, centerville High, Waynesville Hill all have concessions with limited food.

(09-25-2020 05:44 PM)Babes boy Wrote:  I don’t have any idea how much it costs the MAC to use Ford field. But it seems to me that putting the CCG back in the a home stadium rotating from one division to the other each year would be the best way to go. Aren’t you taking money out of a MAC team . The concessions, ticket sale, 50/50 drawing.
I liked going to the Glassbowl and watching our ROCKETS in the Championship game

I think Ford Field is cool in normal times. It looks good on TV, too. There is only one way I would ever support having it at school stadiums again and that's if it were held at a neutral site. The way they did it before was so wrong in giving one of the teams a huge home field advantage. Yeah, it was cool when we had at UT; not so cool when we played Marshall at Marshall.

(09-25-2020 10:54 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(09-25-2020 05:44 PM)Babes boy Wrote:  I don’t have any idea how much it costs the MAC to use Ford field. But it seems to me that putting the CCG back in the a home stadium rotating from one division to the other each year would be the best way to go. Aren’t you taking money out of a MAC team . The concessions, ticket sale, 50/50 drawing.
I liked going to the Glassbowl and watching our ROCKETS in the Championship game

I think Ford Field is cool in normal times. It looks good on TV, too. There is only one way I would ever support having it at school stadiums again and that's if it were held at a neutral site. The way they did it before was so wrong in giving one of the teams a huge home field advantage. Yeah, it was cool when we had at UT; not so cool when we played Marshall at Marshall.

But, by being the best team in the conference to that point Marshall had earned the right to that advantage, just as we did previously. The AAC, a much bigger and more marketable conference, does the game at the highest ranked home team's stadium and it has worked out well...no idea why a smaller conference with significant money issues wouldn't make that call as well.

(09-28-2020 08:06 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(09-25-2020 10:54 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(09-25-2020 05:44 PM)Babes boy Wrote:  I don’t have any idea how much it costs the MAC to use Ford field. But it seems to me that putting the CCG back in the a home stadium rotating from one division to the other each year would be the best way to go. Aren’t you taking money out of a MAC team . The concessions, ticket sale, 50/50 drawing.
I liked going to the Glassbowl and watching our ROCKETS in the Championship game

I think Ford Field is cool in normal times. It looks good on TV, too. There is only one way I would ever support having it at school stadiums again and that's if it were held at a neutral site. The way they did it before was so wrong in giving one of the teams a huge home field advantage. Yeah, it was cool when we had at UT; not so cool when we played Marshall at Marshall.

But, by being the best team in the conference to that point Marshall had earned the right to that advantage, just as we did previously. The AAC, a much bigger and more marketable conference, does the game at the highest ranked home team's stadium and it has worked out well...no idea why a smaller conference with significant money issues wouldn't make that call as well.

I agree Bearcat. I really hated marshall. Still do but rotating the game back and forth between the division would beneficially help the home team.

(09-24-2020 04:32 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  But Paul J will just go on with how “ It’s such a challenge “ / “ If ND can’t do it / Oh no, the horror of it all / how will the MAC circumvent these troubled times ???

When you know a college age student from the Toledo area (with no previous risk factors or health concerns) hospitalized with COVID-19, it does make you think carefully about the risk associated with playing college football, risk to the players and others on campus they interact with, and whether a season can be successfully completed. If conferences and teams can get through a complete season-including the MAC and UT - that's great! But I am not going to be apologizing or justifying my concerns of the risk and uncertainty involved.

Am I correct that no player will lose a year of eligibility for playing football this season? Also, the seniors this year who come back next season will not count toward the 85 player limit? If so, there will be a whole lot of guys on the roster in 2021.

(09-28-2020 11:41 AM)Rocket75 Wrote:  Am I correct that no player will lose a year of eligibility for playing football this season? Also, the seniors this year who come back next season will not count toward the 85 player limit? If so, there will be a whole lot of guys on the roster in 2021.

That will do nothing...it's going to take 5 years to get the scholarship levels back in check.

(09-25-2020 12:46 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(09-25-2020 10:58 AM)PTLROCK Wrote:  

(09-24-2020 11:44 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(09-24-2020 03:42 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  This whole argument is moot...6 game schedule starting in November, announcement coming soon-ish.

Starting in November won't be pretty. The Rockets always play flat in their first cold game, and that's after several weeks of warm ups. Starting in November and playing into December could be brutal, weather-wise. I guess everybody's in the same boat, though. I just hope we don't have to go to Buffalo. Mt. Pleasant in December sounds not-so-pleasant.

It's going to be a screwy season anyway. Maybe save some money and just have a tournament. Have the final in Athens or Oxford, either of which might be a couple degrees warmer than Detroit in December.

I remember a MAC Championship loss in Huntington, WV that didn’t look too comfortable. Championship stays in Detroit, please.

Having been down in Huntington for the 97 MACC (Lots of snow) and a few years later when it was cold but clear, I believe the game belongs indoors at Ford Field...

I was in Huntington for the MACC game; Randy Moss had a game despite Clarence Love’s coverage. Moss tipped a pass to himself in the end zone for a score. I was seated amidst the home fans. I commented on how impressive Chad Pennington was playing. I got a “yeah but we had better QBs in the past”!