https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/colle...0200523086

Pretty good article on the subject.

(06-20-2020 02:14 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(06-10-2020 05:20 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  I could see some of the newer TX FBS schools maybe the entire MAC conference goes FCS, but then again MAC schools have survived with low attendance for decades.

Not UTSA. I don't foresee UNT or Texas State dropping to FCS either. Those are the only three Texas schools new to FBS, so I disagree with your assessment 100% because I highly doubt any of them will drop.

North Texas isn't new to the FBS. We were DI until being forced down, but returned to the FBS in 1995. That's was 25 years ago, and two seasons before Marshall made the jump to the FBS. North Texas has been in the FBS longer than all but 5 of the current members of C-USA. But, to your point, their is zero chance UNT would drop back down to the FCS.

(06-25-2020 09:19 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(06-20-2020 02:14 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(06-10-2020 05:20 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  I could see some of the newer TX FBS schools maybe the entire MAC conference goes FCS, but then again MAC schools have survived with low attendance for decades.

Not UTSA. I don't foresee UNT or Texas State dropping to FCS either. Those are the only three Texas schools new to FBS, so I disagree with your assessment 100% because I highly doubt any of them will drop.

North Texas isn't new to the FBS. We were DI until being forced down, but returned to the FBS in 1995. That's was 25 years ago, and two seasons before Marshall made the jump to the FBS. North Texas has been in the FBS longer than all but 5 of the current members of C-USA. But, to your point, their is zero chance UNT would drop back down to the FCS.

I had no idea you guys were FBS previously. Did you compete as an Independent or were you in an FBS conference?

(06-25-2020 06:24 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 09:19 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(06-20-2020 02:14 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(06-10-2020 05:20 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  I could see some of the newer TX FBS schools maybe the entire MAC conference goes FCS, but then again MAC schools have survived with low attendance for decades.

Not UTSA. I don't foresee UNT or Texas State dropping to FCS either. Those are the only three Texas schools new to FBS, so I disagree with your assessment 100% because I highly doubt any of them will drop.

North Texas isn't new to the FBS. We were DI until being forced down, but returned to the FBS in 1995. That's was 25 years ago, and two seasons before Marshall made the jump to the FBS. North Texas has been in the FBS longer than all but 5 of the current members of C-USA. But, to your point, their is zero chance UNT would drop back down to the FCS.

I had no idea you guys were FBS previously. Did you compete as an Independent or were you in an FBS conference?

Anyone that was a DI school before 1978 was classified that way. This includes Montana to McNeese State to Marshall. Since the SoCon was the last conference to go IAA in 1983 that means Appy State, Furman, VMI, Western Carolina, The Citadel, Marshall, Davidson, ETSU and UTC were all classified DI schools up untl July 1, 1983.

(06-18-2020 12:45 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  I hope a school like San Jose St doesn’t survive and we take their spot in the MW.

I'd be pulling for y'all. You guys have a history with those schools, and CUSA is a struggling conference.

The only conference poised to survive without fans is the American (robust TV, many games on ESPN).

No one in CUSA is truly safe.

MEAC is now offically done for:

Bethune-Cookman The 12th Member Of The SWAC

(06-25-2020 06:24 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 09:19 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(06-20-2020 02:14 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(06-10-2020 05:20 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  I could see some of the newer TX FBS schools maybe the entire MAC conference goes FCS, but then again MAC schools have survived with low attendance for decades.

Not UTSA. I don't foresee UNT or Texas State dropping to FCS either. Those are the only three Texas schools new to FBS, so I disagree with your assessment 100% because I highly doubt any of them will drop.

North Texas isn't new to the FBS. We were DI until being forced down, but returned to the FBS in 1995. That's was 25 years ago, and two seasons before Marshall made the jump to the FBS. North Texas has been in the FBS longer than all but 5 of the current members of C-USA. But, to your point, their is zero chance UNT would drop back down to the FCS.

I had no idea you guys were FBS previously. Did you compete as an Independent or were you in an FBS conference?

UNT was a DI-A Independent from 1975-1982 & also in 1995. From 1957 - 1974 UNT was a member of the Missouri Valley Conference, which at the time was classified as a DI-A/University Division Conference. Other members of the MVC at the time were: Louisville, Cincinnati, Houston, Tulsa, and Memphis. Before 1956 there were no divisions in college football.

Howard makes some moves

@HUBisonSports
has accepted an invitation to join the Northeast Conference as an associate member in six sports [Man swimming Womens swimming mens Soccer Womens golfing womens Soccer womens Lacrosse].

per NEC conference tweet

less and less of the MEAC

Siince no one posted it, this came out July 2nd.

Boise State cuts baseball one year after bringing it back after a 39 year hiatus. It was 1st cut in 1980.

(07-06-2020 12:39 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  Siince no one posted it, this came out July 2nd.

Boise State cuts baseball one year after bringing it back after a 39 year hiatus. It was 1st cut in 1980.

That is/was a brutal situation. If I read it correctly they had around 12-15 players practicing only in the spring of 2019 (and took a redshirt obviously) then added the remainder of the team to start this past school year and played 14 games when the season was cancelled. And now their sport is cancelled completely. The one saving grace of sorts for Boise St (the school, not the athletes affected) is that they were sharing a stadium with a minor league team so it's not like they had gone out and already completed a new on campus baseball stadium.

(07-06-2020 01:14 PM)usm99 Wrote:  That is/was a brutal situation. If I read it correctly they had around 12-15 players practicing only in the spring of 2019 (and took a redshirt obviously) then added the remainder of the team to start this past school year and played 14 games when the season was cancelled. And now their sport is cancelled completely. The one saving grace of sorts for Boise St (the school, not the athletes affected) is that they were sharing a stadium with a minor league team so it's not like they had gone out and already completed a new on campus baseball stadium.

Out of 28 on the team 16 were red shirt freshman. Out of those 16 there was probably a handful that was talked in to coming to Boise State on the premise of them being the athlete others will look at and follow, who probably had better scholarship offers elsewhere.

How do you look at an athlete and coach you just brought in last year a coach that was previously a HC in a stable position and tell them we are pulling the rug out from under you, goodbye.

If they were this eager to cut baseball that fast then they had no real intention of making it competitive at all. I wonder if they brought it back because a few big boosters were putting pressure on the university.

(07-06-2020 01:14 PM)usm99 Wrote:  The one saving grace of sorts for Boise St (the school, not the athletes affected) is that they were sharing a stadium with a minor league team so it's not like they had gone out and already completed a new on campus baseball stadium.

That was apparently the original plan. But things changes, according to this Ball Park Digest article (https://ballparkdigest.com/2020/07/04/bo...aseball/):

Quote:It was initially believed that the university could share a proposed downtown ballpark with the Boise Hawks (short season A; Northwest League), but Boise State announced in October 2017 that it would instead pursue its own on-campus baseball facility, citing economic reasons. The university later acquired land near football’s Albertstons Stadium for the facility, but announced in February that it would not open in 2020 as originally scheduled. The on-campus ballpark had progressed to the point where a general contractor for the project was named.

(Here's the link to that contractor-naming story: https://ballparkdigest.com/2019/08/16/ai...ontractor/ )

BTW, the Broncos' deleted teams are "not going quiety," according to this article: https://www.obnug.com/2020/7/5/21314039/...ng-quietly

Quote:...they were also told to not bother trying to drum up funds to keep the team afloat. (But) the team is throwing a hail mary (or the baseball equivalent) to try to save the team. Pitcher Gavin Gorrell posted a GoFundMe page a short time ago on his Twitter page along with a video featuring most of the players and coach Gary Van Tol imploring supporters to make their voices heard and pocketbooks felt. ...

So far, they’ve raised $16,000...probably a drop in the bucket compared to the proposed $3M that (BSU's AD) Apsey stated the athletic department was looking to trim (the baseball and S&D team are said to demand about $2.3M to operate), but it looks like they are just getting started. Hey, we all know that Kustra wasn’t really willing to sit at the table with the aggrieved wrestling fans after that program was cut (ironically, for baseball)...but Kustra is retired now and we don’t really know if Curt Apsey will...well, play ball or not if the team is able to flash some dough.

... the swimming and diving team ... have also decided they’d rather not go down without a fight. As of last night, KTVB’s Jay Tust reported that they’ve already rallied over $120k in 24 hours to save both the beloved squads and have almost another $25k in pledges.

This is challenging times but at least at the FBS level I don't think we'll see moves down like what happened in the 80's.

Prior to that time it was common for conferences to harbor weak sisters for years in the sake of regionalism. Cal State Fullerton was drawing 2,500 playing at the top level up until 1995. It was when the WAC went to 16 and no regional home for Fullerton that they dropped.

The Idaho situation is another example, they were chopped out of an FBS home and decided to move down for regional rivals.

If CUSA-SBC decided to realign over the pandemic leaving a few left out like ULM that would likely cause them to consider dropping down.

MAC schools have invested quite a bit in facilities and have a regional travel situation already in place. EMU and Akron at this point are in SJSU's situation where they've had to step up facilities, but not a Fullerton situation where they hadn't made an investment as it might have been 30 years ago.

(07-07-2020 08:31 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  MAC schools have invested quite a bit in facilities and have a regional travel situation already in place.EMU and Akron at this point are in SJSU's situation where they've had to step up facilities, but not a Fullerton situation where they hadn't made an investment as it might have been 30 years ago.

There is just a few things that have been going on at Akron that will hinder them for years to come. One they have been spending like crazy the last 20 years and now its coning back to bite them. They are basically broke as a joke now with no way to rectify the situation. They spent 62 million dollars on InfoCision Stadium that opened in 2009 and still owe around 55 million on it. They have been building new buildings on campus now since about 2000 and now with no real plan on how to pay those construction costs off. Also just from 2013 their enrollment has dropped from 31,600 to less than 17,000.

Akron has real problems everywhere with no real solutions anywhere. Staying in the MAC or even IA is probably the least of their problems.

Stanford will discontinue 11 of our varsity sports programs at the conclusion of the 2020-21 academic year: men’s and women’s fencing, field hockey, lightweight rowing, men’s rowing, co-ed and women’s sailing, squash, synchronized swimming, men’s volleyball and wrestling.

Not to devistating when you think about it. Considering Stanford sponsors 16 men's sports and 21 women's sports.

Just looking at their website:

Fincing- Has 3 meets each year plus the national championship. And alnost everyone is in the east. Mostly ivies.

W Field Hockey- Everyone but Cal and UC Davis is located in the east and most are located in B10 country or the New England area.

LW Rowing- The only other DI school to offer this is Princeton and then a few D2 schools. All again on the east coast.

M&W Rowing- Only 2 other west coast schools offer this in Washington and Cal. It looks like there is only 5 meets per year.

Co-ED Sailing- All east coast schools again with mostly ivies and patriot league teams. Santa Barbra and Cal do have it.

Squash- All east coast teams, no one further west than New York.

M Volleyball- Only 22 DI schools sponsor M Volleyball

Synchronized Swimming- Only 3 other universities have S Swimming in Florida, Incarnate Word and Wheaton College (DIII in Mass).

Wrestling- There are 78 well 77 since ODU is still on the list I looked at that have m. wrestling. With about 85% being east of the Mississippi.

Like the cuts at Brown, most of these seem to be luxury sports that almost no school needs, especially if you are have to go clear cross country most of the time. Truthfully I would be questioning who thought these were good ideas in the first place.

clt can report georgia southern is now running social media ads in NC offering in state tuition,

(07-07-2020 11:04 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 08:31 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  MAC schools have invested quite a bit in facilities and have a regional travel situation already in place.EMU and Akron at this point are in SJSU's situation where they've had to step up facilities, but not a Fullerton situation where they hadn't made an investment as it might have been 30 years ago.

There is just a few things that have been going on at Akron that will hinder them for years to come. One they have been spending like crazy the last 20 years and now its coning back to bite them. They are basically broke as a joke now with no way to rectify the situation. They spent 62 million dollars on InfoCision Stadium that opened in 2009 and still owe around 55 million on it. They have been building new buildings on campus now since about 2000 and now with no real plan on how to pay those construction costs off. Also just from 2013 their enrollment has dropped from 31,600 to less than 17,000.

Akron has real problems everywhere with no real solutions anywhere. Staying in the MAC or even IA is probably the least of their problems.

(07-08-2020 02:48 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt can report georgia southern is now running social media ads in NC offering in state tuition,

Students from any state touching Georgia can now get in state tuition at Georgia Southern's Savannah Campus. It's part of an existing plan to incentivize students to take classes in Savannah not as a reaction to budget cuts due to COVID.