I could be way out of the MT loop; but, as an alum, a member of BRAA , and a long time season ticket holder; this is my take. I have not heard, seen, or read one word from any reliable MTSU source (including from local media) about any kind of realignment, conference reconfiguration for CUSA, or any efforts to change MT at all! Just like the song We are "Stuck In the Middle With You!"

Agree. The realignment talk should die off. I hope we can just play the games on the schedule, and hopefully tailgate and watch the games. This which conference is better, and which team is too good to even be on the same field as another G5 school is as embarrassing as it is stupid.

Good luck to everyone this year, if we even get to play the damn thing...

(05-30-2020 02:42 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 04:33 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 02:37 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 12:49 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  With yesterday's news regarding both C-USA and the Sun Belt's bowl ties through 2025, it would seem the (too) much debated topic of a realignment is finally over. When also considering the LA Tech AD's comments stating that there has never been talk of realignment by the C-USA leadership, it now seems crystal clear that the topic is dead.

My question is... What is the next step for those that were adamantly promoting the rebellion?Will those programs swallow their pride and commit to growing in C-USA? Will they individually approach the Sun Belt seeking invitations? Or, will they go independent?

What is this rebellion you speak of, and what programs have "adamantly promoted the rebellion"?

Seriously Joe. What's the answer?

I thought my comments were fairly direct. Everyone that regularly posts on this board knows which C-USA AD's, fans, and beat writers were openly commenting in favor of scrapping of C-USA in favor of regional conferences. I'm still waiting to read what direction any of those programs may be headed now that realignment is no longer an option in 2020, and possibly at any point in the near future.

POST #29

I'd like to hear from the few vocal posters that have insight into their programs. I don't really want to read the fan's opinions as much as I'd like to know what they are hearing from their leadership.

I'd love to read a "Plan B" article written by one of the surrogates that published articles promoting the split. I just want good information as to those programs intentions.

Fairly direct??? Common Joe, you're better than that. You didn't even come close to answering the question. Instead you tried your best to sidestep and tap dance around actually giving a direct answer. Try again ... here's the original question:

What is this rebellion you speak of, and what programs have "adamantly promoted the rebellion"?

That "what programs" part is where you would "directly" list them (by school name). It's your comments, your thoughts, and fans of the programs that you are asking if they are gonna "swallow their pride". Throw down the gauntlet on them if you are going to do that. Don't hide in the bushes and take vague pot shots at them. Tell us what schools you were talking about. Don't leave it up to us to guess at who you were talking about. Inquiring minds want to know. Actually be direct this time instead of just saying you were.

FYI - We all know now that the "rebellion" portion of the original question is programs that were "openly commenting in favor of scrapping of C-USA in favor of regional conferences". I copied that from your prior post, but you failed to identify any of those "programs" which was the second (and main) part of the question.

(05-30-2020 09:28 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 02:42 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 04:33 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 02:37 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 12:49 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  With yesterday's news regarding both C-USA and the Sun Belt's bowl ties through 2025, it would seem the (too) much debated topic of a realignment is finally over. When also considering the LA Tech AD's comments stating that there has never been talk of realignment by the C-USA leadership, it now seems crystal clear that the topic is dead.

My question is... What is the next step for those that were adamantly promoting the rebellion?Will those programs swallow their pride and commit to growing in C-USA? Will they individually approach the Sun Belt seeking invitations? Or, will they go independent?

What is this rebellion you speak of, and what programs have "adamantly promoted the rebellion"?

Seriously Joe. What's the answer?

I thought my comments were fairly direct. Everyone that regularly posts on this board knows which C-USA AD's, fans, and beat writers were openly commenting in favor of scrapping of C-USA in favor of regional conferences. I'm still waiting to read what direction any of those programs may be headed now that realignment is no longer an option in 2020, and possibly at any point in the near future.

POST #29

I'd like to hear from the few vocal posters that have insight into their programs. I don't really want to read the fan's opinions as much as I'd like to know what they are hearing from their leadership.

I'd love to read a "Plan B" article written by one of the surrogates that published articles promoting the split. I just want good information as to those programs intentions.

Fairly direct??? Common Joe, you're better than that. You didn't even come close to answering the question. Instead you tried your best to sidestep and tap dance around actually giving a direct answer. Try again ... here's the original question:

What is this rebellion you speak of, and what programs have "adamantly promoted the rebellion"?

That "what programs" part is where you would "directly" list them (by school name). It's your comments, your thoughts, and fans of the programs that you are asking if they are gonna "swallow their pride". Throw down the gauntlet on them if you are going to do that. Don't hide in the bushes and take vague pot shots at them. Tell us what schools you were talking about. Don't leave it up to us to guess at who you were talking about. Inquiring minds want to know. Actually be direct this time instead of just saying you were.

FYI - We all know now that the "rebellion" portion of the original question is programs that were "openly commenting in favor of scrapping of C-USA in favor of regional conferences". I copied that from your prior post, but you failed to identify any of those "programs" which was the second (and main) part of the question.

Since you need things spelled out for you.... ODU, the pilotonline, and any fans that took the realignment position.

2020
https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/colle...story.html

2018
https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/colum...8d137.html

2017
https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/colum...abcf2.html

The 2020 Realignment War is over, because bowl ties have been announced and actual AD's are commenting on how no realignment talks are taking place. Perhaps there will be another realignment war around 2025, but if those wanting to split C-USA can't do it in the current climate, then I doubt they can force the issue later.

I just want some insight into if ODU has a plan B, because all the reports indicate the Monarchs are not happy in C-USA.

(05-30-2020 10:03 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 09:28 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 02:42 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 04:33 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 02:37 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  What is this rebellion you speak of, and what programs have "adamantly promoted the rebellion"?

Seriously Joe. What's the answer?

I thought my comments were fairly direct. Everyone that regularly posts on this board knows which C-USA AD's, fans, and beat writers were openly commenting in favor of scrapping of C-USA in favor of regional conferences. I'm still waiting to read what direction any of those programs may be headed now that realignment is no longer an option in 2020, and possibly at any point in the near future.

POST #29

I'd like to hear from the few vocal posters that have insight into their programs. I don't really want to read the fan's opinions as much as I'd like to know what they are hearing from their leadership.

I'd love to read a "Plan B" article written by one of the surrogates that published articles promoting the split. I just want good information as to those programs intentions.

Fairly direct??? Common Joe, you're better than that. You didn't even come close to answering the question. Instead you tried your best to sidestep and tap dance around actually giving a direct answer. Try again ... here's the original question:

What is this rebellion you speak of, and what programs have "adamantly promoted the rebellion"?

That "what programs" part is where you would "directly" list them (by school name). It's your comments, your thoughts, and fans of the programs that you are asking if they are gonna "swallow their pride". Throw down the gauntlet on them if you are going to do that. Don't hide in the bushes and take vague pot shots at them. Tell us what schools you were talking about. Don't leave it up to us to guess at who you were talking about. Inquiring minds want to know. Actually be direct this time instead of just saying you were.

FYI - We all know now that the "rebellion" portion of the original question is programs that were "openly commenting in favor of scrapping of C-USA in favor of regional conferences". I copied that from your prior post, but you failed to identify any of those "programs" which was the second (and main) part of the question.

Since you need things spelled out for you.... ODU, the pilotonline, and any fans that took the realignment position.

2020
https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/colle...story.html

2018
https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/colum...8d137.html

2017
https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/colum...abcf2.html

The 2020 Realignment War is over, because bowl ties have been announced and actual AD's are commenting on how no realignment talks are taking place. Perhaps there will be another realignment war around 2025, but if those wanting to split C-USA can't do it in the current climate, then I doubt they can force the issue later.

I just want some insight into if ODU has a plan B, because all the reports indicate the Monarchs are not happy in C-USA.

It's not so much that I needed anything spelled out for me as it was that I don't like to assume things, especially when responding to something someone stated when they weren't specific about the details.

College "programs" are run by the college administrations, not by fans or beat writers for the local newspaper. For the most part, the fans are just along for the ride, and newspapers are in the business of selling copy.

I didn't see in the links you furnished where anyone that is employed by ODU has stated that ODU needed or wanted to leave C-USA. What I did see was an outside study (funded by ODU) that came back and stated that ODU had to tighten it's athletic budget and it listed the reasons why. The report also stated that Wrestling needed to be cut (and it was shortly thereafter cut). None of that is hardly earth shattering news if you have been paying attention to the numerous schools from various conferences around the country that have been cutting the number of games they will play, cutting multiple sports, cutting salaries, etc. in order to make payroll.

It is interesting that the most recent pilot article that quotes ODU Athletic Director Wood Selig talking about the schools in C-USA cutting costs (which you conveniently left out) stated the following:

Selig and the ADs from Rice, Texas El Paso, Louisiana Tech and Middle Tennessee State, along with a senior women’s administrator from Charlotte and a faculty athletic representative from Texas San Antonio, form the seven-person Future Planning Committee, which has been meeting virtually for about six weeks.

The committee is faced with the task of reducing expenses for C-USA member schools and the league itself in light of the coronavirus pandemic and its shutdown effect on college sports. It meets for the final time Tuesday afternoon, after which it will make formal recommendations to league ADs.

On May 22, the ADs will conclude their discussions, with the goal of sending final recommendations through the conference offices to the league’s 14 university presidents sometime in early June.

The committee, with research assistance from the league office and member schools’ chief financial officers, has discussed a three-pronged approach to trimming expenses, some of them more extreme than others.



The three cost-cutting initiatives the committee has examined:

• A change in regular-season scheduling for all sports, to include fewer games or more efficient travel with fewer flights. Divisional play based upon an east-west format within the expansive league has also been considered.

• A change in championship formats. The committee has discussed the possibility of reducing the number of participants in each sport’s conference tournament, as well as the cost of running a championship and the costs for schools to participate. Also considered are whether locations could be changed or events condensed by a day.

• Helping the conference cut expenses by holding more online meetings, as well as examining expenses for officials and other support provided by C-USA. Also, the conference could have consortiums, or “scheduling alliances,” with geographically adjacent leagues like the Sun Belt, the Atlantic 10 and the American Athletic Conference.

Selig said the committee has not discussed the possibility of any of C-USA’s members seeking a new conference affiliation, choosing instead to tweak the framework of the existing league.

https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/vp-sp...story.html

I have seen several posters suggesting that C-USA fans do not want to be in the C-USA. Unsurprisingly, these few posters are not C-USA fans.

(05-30-2020 10:57 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 10:03 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 09:28 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 02:42 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 04:33 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Seriously Joe. What's the answer?

I thought my comments were fairly direct. Everyone that regularly posts on this board knows which C-USA AD's, fans, and beat writers were openly commenting in favor of scrapping of C-USA in favor of regional conferences. I'm still waiting to read what direction any of those programs may be headed now that realignment is no longer an option in 2020, and possibly at any point in the near future.

POST #29

I'd like to hear from the few vocal posters that have insight into their programs. I don't really want to read the fan's opinions as much as I'd like to know what they are hearing from their leadership.

I'd love to read a "Plan B" article written by one of the surrogates that published articles promoting the split. I just want good information as to those programs intentions.

Fairly direct??? Common Joe, you're better than that. You didn't even come close to answering the question. Instead you tried your best to sidestep and tap dance around actually giving a direct answer. Try again ... here's the original question:

What is this rebellion you speak of, and what programs have "adamantly promoted the rebellion"?

That "what programs" part is where you would "directly" list them (by school name). It's your comments, your thoughts, and fans of the programs that you are asking if they are gonna "swallow their pride". Throw down the gauntlet on them if you are going to do that. Don't hide in the bushes and take vague pot shots at them. Tell us what schools you were talking about. Don't leave it up to us to guess at who you were talking about. Inquiring minds want to know. Actually be direct this time instead of just saying you were.

FYI - We all know now that the "rebellion" portion of the original question is programs that were "openly commenting in favor of scrapping of C-USA in favor of regional conferences". I copied that from your prior post, but you failed to identify any of those "programs" which was the second (and main) part of the question.

Since you need things spelled out for you.... ODU, the pilotonline, and any fans that took the realignment position.

2020
https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/colle...story.html

2018
https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/colum...8d137.html

2017
https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/colum...abcf2.html

The 2020 Realignment War is over, because bowl ties have been announced and actual AD's are commenting on how no realignment talks are taking place. Perhaps there will be another realignment war around 2025, but if those wanting to split C-USA can't do it in the current climate, then I doubt they can force the issue later.

I just want some insight into if ODU has a plan B, because all the reports indicate the Monarchs are not happy in C-USA.

It's not so much that I needed anything spelled out for me as it was that I don't like to assume things, especially when responding to something someone stated when they weren't specific about the details.

College "programs" are run by the college administrations, not by fans or beat writers for the local newspaper. For the most part, the fans are just along for the ride, and newspapers are in the business of selling copy.

I didn't see in the links you furnished where anyone that is employed by ODU has stated that ODU needed or wanted to leave C-USA. What I did see was an outside study (funded by ODU) that came back and stated that ODU had to tighten it's athletic budget and it listed the reasons why. The report also stated that Wrestling needed to be cut (and it was shortly thereafter cut). None of that is hardly earth shattering news if you have been paying attention to the numerous schools from various conferences around the country that have been cutting the number of games they will play, cutting multiple sports, cutting salaries, etc. in order to make payroll.

It is interesting that the most recent pilot article that quotes ODU Athletic Director Wood Selig talking about the schools in C-USA cutting costs (which you conveniently left out) stated the following:

Selig and the ADs from Rice, Texas El Paso, Louisiana Tech and Middle Tennessee State, along with a senior women’s administrator from Charlotte and a faculty athletic representative from Texas San Antonio, form the seven-person Future Planning Committee, which has been meeting virtually for about six weeks.

The committee is faced with the task of reducing expenses for C-USA member schools and the league itself in light of the coronavirus pandemic and its shutdown effect on college sports. It meets for the final time Tuesday afternoon, after which it will make formal recommendations to league ADs.

On May 22, the ADs will conclude their discussions, with the goal of sending final recommendations through the conference offices to the league’s 14 university presidents sometime in early June.

The committee, with research assistance from the league office and member schools’ chief financial officers, has discussed a three-pronged approach to trimming expenses, some of them more extreme than others.



The three cost-cutting initiatives the committee has examined:

• A change in regular-season scheduling for all sports, to include fewer games or more efficient travel with fewer flights. Divisional play based upon an east-west format within the expansive league has also been considered.

• A change in championship formats. The committee has discussed the possibility of reducing the number of participants in each sport’s conference tournament, as well as the cost of running a championship and the costs for schools to participate. Also considered are whether locations could be changed or events condensed by a day.

• Helping the conference cut expenses by holding more online meetings, as well as examining expenses for officials and other support provided by C-USA. Also, the conference could have consortiums, or “scheduling alliances,” with geographically adjacent leagues like the Sun Belt, the Atlantic 10 and the American Athletic Conference.

Selig said the committee has not discussed the possibility of any of C-USA’s members seeking a new conference affiliation, choosing instead to tweak the framework of the existing league.

https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/vp-sp...story.html

Whatever... Everyone on this board knows Harry Minimum is a "senior executive writer" for ODU athletics, and he wrote the first two articles I posted back when he was a hack for the pilotonline. Minimum's articles have helped to promote instability within C-USA. Why would ODU's athletic department bring in a writer that had recently published these negative articles about C-USA, if they did not support the same position?

https://odusports.com/staff-directory/harry-minium/265

You don't have connections in Norfolk? You can't find out about ODU's plan B? I guess there is no plan B.

(05-31-2020 06:45 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 10:57 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 10:03 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 09:28 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 02:42 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I thought my comments were fairly direct. Everyone that regularly posts on this board knows which C-USA AD's, fans, and beat writers were openly commenting in favor of scrapping of C-USA in favor of regional conferences. I'm still waiting to read what direction any of those programs may be headed now that realignment is no longer an option in 2020, and possibly at any point in the near future.

POST #29

I'd like to hear from the few vocal posters that have insight into their programs. I don't really want to read the fan's opinions as much as I'd like to know what they are hearing from their leadership.

I'd love to read a "Plan B" article written by one of the surrogates that published articles promoting the split. I just want good information as to those programs intentions.

Fairly direct??? Common Joe, you're better than that. You didn't even come close to answering the question. Instead you tried your best to sidestep and tap dance around actually giving a direct answer. Try again ... here's the original question:

What is this rebellion you speak of, and what programs have "adamantly promoted the rebellion"?

That "what programs" part is where you would "directly" list them (by school name). It's your comments, your thoughts, and fans of the programs that you are asking if they are gonna "swallow their pride". Throw down the gauntlet on them if you are going to do that. Don't hide in the bushes and take vague pot shots at them. Tell us what schools you were talking about. Don't leave it up to us to guess at who you were talking about. Inquiring minds want to know. Actually be direct this time instead of just saying you were.

FYI - We all know now that the "rebellion" portion of the original question is programs that were "openly commenting in favor of scrapping of C-USA in favor of regional conferences". I copied that from your prior post, but you failed to identify any of those "programs" which was the second (and main) part of the question.

Since you need things spelled out for you.... ODU, the pilotonline, and any fans that took the realignment position.

2020
https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/colle...story.html

2018
https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/colum...8d137.html

2017
https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/colum...abcf2.html

The 2020 Realignment War is over, because bowl ties have been announced and actual AD's are commenting on how no realignment talks are taking place. Perhaps there will be another realignment war around 2025, but if those wanting to split C-USA can't do it in the current climate, then I doubt they can force the issue later.

I just want some insight into if ODU has a plan B, because all the reports indicate the Monarchs are not happy in C-USA.

It's not so much that I needed anything spelled out for me as it was that I don't like to assume things, especially when responding to something someone stated when they weren't specific about the details.

College "programs" are run by the college administrations, not by fans or beat writers for the local newspaper. For the most part, the fans are just along for the ride, and newspapers are in the business of selling copy.

I didn't see in the links you furnished where anyone that is employed by ODU has stated that ODU needed or wanted to leave C-USA. What I did see was an outside study (funded by ODU) that came back and stated that ODU had to tighten it's athletic budget and it listed the reasons why. The report also stated that Wrestling needed to be cut (and it was shortly thereafter cut). None of that is hardly earth shattering news if you have been paying attention to the numerous schools from various conferences around the country that have been cutting the number of games they will play, cutting multiple sports, cutting salaries, etc. in order to make payroll.

It is interesting that the most recent pilot article that quotes ODU Athletic Director Wood Selig talking about the schools in C-USA cutting costs (which you conveniently left out) stated the following:

Selig and the ADs from Rice, Texas El Paso, Louisiana Tech and Middle Tennessee State, along with a senior women’s administrator from Charlotte and a faculty athletic representative from Texas San Antonio, form the seven-person Future Planning Committee, which has been meeting virtually for about six weeks.

The committee is faced with the task of reducing expenses for C-USA member schools and the league itself in light of the coronavirus pandemic and its shutdown effect on college sports. It meets for the final time Tuesday afternoon, after which it will make formal recommendations to league ADs.

On May 22, the ADs will conclude their discussions, with the goal of sending final recommendations through the conference offices to the league’s 14 university presidents sometime in early June.

The committee, with research assistance from the league office and member schools’ chief financial officers, has discussed a three-pronged approach to trimming expenses, some of them more extreme than others.



The three cost-cutting initiatives the committee has examined:

• A change in regular-season scheduling for all sports, to include fewer games or more efficient travel with fewer flights. Divisional play based upon an east-west format within the expansive league has also been considered.

• A change in championship formats. The committee has discussed the possibility of reducing the number of participants in each sport’s conference tournament, as well as the cost of running a championship and the costs for schools to participate. Also considered are whether locations could be changed or events condensed by a day.

• Helping the conference cut expenses by holding more online meetings, as well as examining expenses for officials and other support provided by C-USA. Also, the conference could have consortiums, or “scheduling alliances,” with geographically adjacent leagues like the Sun Belt, the Atlantic 10 and the American Athletic Conference.

Selig said the committee has not discussed the possibility of any of C-USA’s members seeking a new conference affiliation, choosing instead to tweak the framework of the existing league.

https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/vp-sp...story.html

Whatever... Everyone on this board knows Harry Minimum is a "senior executive writer" for ODU athletics, and he wrote the first two articles I posted back when he was a hack for the pilotonline. Minimum's articles have helped to promote instability within C-USA. Why would ODU's athletic department bring in a writer that had recently published these negative articles about C-USA, if they did not support the same position?

https://odusports.com/staff-directory/harry-minium/265

You don't have connections in Norfolk? You can't find out about ODU's plan B? I guess there is no plan B.

Slow joe, you just disrespected an ODU elder son.

(05-31-2020 07:09 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 06:45 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 10:57 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 10:03 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 09:28 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Fairly direct??? Common Joe, you're better than that. You didn't even come close to answering the question. Instead you tried your best to sidestep and tap dance around actually giving a direct answer. Try again ... here's the original question:

What is this rebellion you speak of, and what programs have "adamantly promoted the rebellion"?

That "what programs" part is where you would "directly" list them (by school name). It's your comments, your thoughts, and fans of the programs that you are asking if they are gonna "swallow their pride". Throw down the gauntlet on them if you are going to do that. Don't hide in the bushes and take vague pot shots at them. Tell us what schools you were talking about. Don't leave it up to us to guess at who you were talking about. Inquiring minds want to know. Actually be direct this time instead of just saying you were.

FYI - We all know now that the "rebellion" portion of the original question is programs that were "openly commenting in favor of scrapping of C-USA in favor of regional conferences". I copied that from your prior post, but you failed to identify any of those "programs" which was the second (and main) part of the question.

Since you need things spelled out for you.... ODU, the pilotonline, and any fans that took the realignment position.

2020
https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/colle...story.html

2018
https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/colum...8d137.html

2017
https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/colum...abcf2.html

The 2020 Realignment War is over, because bowl ties have been announced and actual AD's are commenting on how no realignment talks are taking place. Perhaps there will be another realignment war around 2025, but if those wanting to split C-USA can't do it in the current climate, then I doubt they can force the issue later.

I just want some insight into if ODU has a plan B, because all the reports indicate the Monarchs are not happy in C-USA.

It's not so much that I needed anything spelled out for me as it was that I don't like to assume things, especially when responding to something someone stated when they weren't specific about the details.

College "programs" are run by the college administrations, not by fans or beat writers for the local newspaper. For the most part, the fans are just along for the ride, and newspapers are in the business of selling copy.

I didn't see in the links you furnished where anyone that is employed by ODU has stated that ODU needed or wanted to leave C-USA. What I did see was an outside study (funded by ODU) that came back and stated that ODU had to tighten it's athletic budget and it listed the reasons why. The report also stated that Wrestling needed to be cut (and it was shortly thereafter cut). None of that is hardly earth shattering news if you have been paying attention to the numerous schools from various conferences around the country that have been cutting the number of games they will play, cutting multiple sports, cutting salaries, etc. in order to make payroll.

It is interesting that the most recent pilot article that quotes ODU Athletic Director Wood Selig talking about the schools in C-USA cutting costs (which you conveniently left out) stated the following:

Selig and the ADs from Rice, Texas El Paso, Louisiana Tech and Middle Tennessee State, along with a senior women’s administrator from Charlotte and a faculty athletic representative from Texas San Antonio, form the seven-person Future Planning Committee, which has been meeting virtually for about six weeks.

The committee is faced with the task of reducing expenses for C-USA member schools and the league itself in light of the coronavirus pandemic and its shutdown effect on college sports. It meets for the final time Tuesday afternoon, after which it will make formal recommendations to league ADs.

On May 22, the ADs will conclude their discussions, with the goal of sending final recommendations through the conference offices to the league’s 14 university presidents sometime in early June.

The committee, with research assistance from the league office and member schools’ chief financial officers, has discussed a three-pronged approach to trimming expenses, some of them more extreme than others.



The three cost-cutting initiatives the committee has examined:

• A change in regular-season scheduling for all sports, to include fewer games or more efficient travel with fewer flights. Divisional play based upon an east-west format within the expansive league has also been considered.

• A change in championship formats. The committee has discussed the possibility of reducing the number of participants in each sport’s conference tournament, as well as the cost of running a championship and the costs for schools to participate. Also considered are whether locations could be changed or events condensed by a day.

• Helping the conference cut expenses by holding more online meetings, as well as examining expenses for officials and other support provided by C-USA. Also, the conference could have consortiums, or “scheduling alliances,” with geographically adjacent leagues like the Sun Belt, the Atlantic 10 and the American Athletic Conference.

Selig said the committee has not discussed the possibility of any of C-USA’s members seeking a new conference affiliation, choosing instead to tweak the framework of the existing league.

https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/vp-sp...story.html

Whatever... Everyone on this board knows Harry Minimum is a "senior executive writer" for ODU athletics, and he wrote the first two articles I posted back when he was a hack for the pilotonline. Minimum's articles have helped to promote instability within C-USA. Why would ODU's athletic department bring in a writer that had recently published these negative articles about C-USA, if they did not support the same position?

https://odusports.com/staff-directory/harry-minium/265

You don't have connections in Norfolk? You can't find out about ODU's plan B? I guess there is no plan B.

Slow joe, you just disrespected an ODU elder son.

You call me "Slow", but I'm disrespectful....

Anyway, you didn't answer the questions... Why would ODU's athletic department bring in Minimum after he wrote those negative articles about C-USA, if they didn't agree with his position? Is their a plan B, and do you know about it?

(05-31-2020 07:20 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 07:09 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 06:45 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 10:57 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 10:03 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Since you need things spelled out for you.... ODU, the pilotonline, and any fans that took the realignment position.

2020
https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/colle...story.html

2018
https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/colum...8d137.html

2017
https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/colum...abcf2.html

The 2020 Realignment War is over, because bowl ties have been announced and actual AD's are commenting on how no realignment talks are taking place. Perhaps there will be another realignment war around 2025, but if those wanting to split C-USA can't do it in the current climate, then I doubt they can force the issue later.

I just want some insight into if ODU has a plan B, because all the reports indicate the Monarchs are not happy in C-USA.

It's not so much that I needed anything spelled out for me as it was that I don't like to assume things, especially when responding to something someone stated when they weren't specific about the details.

College "programs" are run by the college administrations, not by fans or beat writers for the local newspaper. For the most part, the fans are just along for the ride, and newspapers are in the business of selling copy.

I didn't see in the links you furnished where anyone that is employed by ODU has stated that ODU needed or wanted to leave C-USA. What I did see was an outside study (funded by ODU) that came back and stated that ODU had to tighten it's athletic budget and it listed the reasons why. The report also stated that Wrestling needed to be cut (and it was shortly thereafter cut). None of that is hardly earth shattering news if you have been paying attention to the numerous schools from various conferences around the country that have been cutting the number of games they will play, cutting multiple sports, cutting salaries, etc. in order to make payroll.

It is interesting that the most recent pilot article that quotes ODU Athletic Director Wood Selig talking about the schools in C-USA cutting costs (which you conveniently left out) stated the following:

Selig and the ADs from Rice, Texas El Paso, Louisiana Tech and Middle Tennessee State, along with a senior women’s administrator from Charlotte and a faculty athletic representative from Texas San Antonio, form the seven-person Future Planning Committee, which has been meeting virtually for about six weeks.

The committee is faced with the task of reducing expenses for C-USA member schools and the league itself in light of the coronavirus pandemic and its shutdown effect on college sports. It meets for the final time Tuesday afternoon, after which it will make formal recommendations to league ADs.

On May 22, the ADs will conclude their discussions, with the goal of sending final recommendations through the conference offices to the league’s 14 university presidents sometime in early June.

The committee, with research assistance from the league office and member schools’ chief financial officers, has discussed a three-pronged approach to trimming expenses, some of them more extreme than others.



The three cost-cutting initiatives the committee has examined:

• A change in regular-season scheduling for all sports, to include fewer games or more efficient travel with fewer flights. Divisional play based upon an east-west format within the expansive league has also been considered.

• A change in championship formats. The committee has discussed the possibility of reducing the number of participants in each sport’s conference tournament, as well as the cost of running a championship and the costs for schools to participate. Also considered are whether locations could be changed or events condensed by a day.

• Helping the conference cut expenses by holding more online meetings, as well as examining expenses for officials and other support provided by C-USA. Also, the conference could have consortiums, or “scheduling alliances,” with geographically adjacent leagues like the Sun Belt, the Atlantic 10 and the American Athletic Conference.

Selig said the committee has not discussed the possibility of any of C-USA’s members seeking a new conference affiliation, choosing instead to tweak the framework of the existing league.

https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/vp-sp...story.html

Whatever... Everyone on this board knows Harry Minimum is a "senior executive writer" for ODU athletics, and he wrote the first two articles I posted back when he was a hack for the pilotonline. Minimum's articles have helped to promote instability within C-USA. Why would ODU's athletic department bring in a writer that had recently published these negative articles about C-USA, if they did not support the same position?

https://odusports.com/staff-directory/harry-minium/265

You don't have connections in Norfolk? You can't find out about ODU's plan B? I guess there is no plan B.

Slow joe, you just disrespected an ODU elder son.

You call me "Slow", but I'm disrespectful....

Anyway, you didn't answer the questions... Why would ODU's athletic department bring in Minimum after he wrote those negative articles about C-USA, if they didn't agree with his position? Is their a plan B, and do you know about it?

You are “slow”....joe. That is my disrespect to you. But you should not have disrespected an ODU elder son. That’s on you. Attack me all you want. I can take whatever you have to dish out.

(05-31-2020 07:28 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 07:20 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 07:09 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 06:45 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-30-2020 10:57 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  It's not so much that I needed anything spelled out for me as it was that I don't like to assume things, especially when responding to something someone stated when they weren't specific about the details.

College "programs" are run by the college administrations, not by fans or beat writers for the local newspaper. For the most part, the fans are just along for the ride, and newspapers are in the business of selling copy.

I didn't see in the links you furnished where anyone that is employed by ODU has stated that ODU needed or wanted to leave C-USA. What I did see was an outside study (funded by ODU) that came back and stated that ODU had to tighten it's athletic budget and it listed the reasons why. The report also stated that Wrestling needed to be cut (and it was shortly thereafter cut). None of that is hardly earth shattering news if you have been paying attention to the numerous schools from various conferences around the country that have been cutting the number of games they will play, cutting multiple sports, cutting salaries, etc. in order to make payroll.

It is interesting that the most recent pilot article that quotes ODU Athletic Director Wood Selig talking about the schools in C-USA cutting costs (which you conveniently left out) stated the following:

Selig and the ADs from Rice, Texas El Paso, Louisiana Tech and Middle Tennessee State, along with a senior women’s administrator from Charlotte and a faculty athletic representative from Texas San Antonio, form the seven-person Future Planning Committee, which has been meeting virtually for about six weeks.

The committee is faced with the task of reducing expenses for C-USA member schools and the league itself in light of the coronavirus pandemic and its shutdown effect on college sports. It meets for the final time Tuesday afternoon, after which it will make formal recommendations to league ADs.

On May 22, the ADs will conclude their discussions, with the goal of sending final recommendations through the conference offices to the league’s 14 university presidents sometime in early June.

The committee, with research assistance from the league office and member schools’ chief financial officers, has discussed a three-pronged approach to trimming expenses, some of them more extreme than others.



The three cost-cutting initiatives the committee has examined:

• A change in regular-season scheduling for all sports, to include fewer games or more efficient travel with fewer flights. Divisional play based upon an east-west format within the expansive league has also been considered.

• A change in championship formats. The committee has discussed the possibility of reducing the number of participants in each sport’s conference tournament, as well as the cost of running a championship and the costs for schools to participate. Also considered are whether locations could be changed or events condensed by a day.

• Helping the conference cut expenses by holding more online meetings, as well as examining expenses for officials and other support provided by C-USA. Also, the conference could have consortiums, or “scheduling alliances,” with geographically adjacent leagues like the Sun Belt, the Atlantic 10 and the American Athletic Conference.

Selig said the committee has not discussed the possibility of any of C-USA’s members seeking a new conference affiliation, choosing instead to tweak the framework of the existing league.

https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/vp-sp...story.html

Whatever... Everyone on this board knows Harry Minimum is a "senior executive writer" for ODU athletics, and he wrote the first two articles I posted back when he was a hack for the pilotonline. Minimum's articles have helped to promote instability within C-USA. Why would ODU's athletic department bring in a writer that had recently published these negative articles about C-USA, if they did not support the same position?

https://odusports.com/staff-directory/harry-minium/265

You don't have connections in Norfolk? You can't find out about ODU's plan B? I guess there is no plan B.

Slow joe, you just disrespected an ODU elder son.

You call me "Slow", but I'm disrespectful....

Anyway, you didn't answer the questions... Why would ODU's athletic department bring in Minimum after he wrote those negative articles about C-USA, if they didn't agree with his position? Is their a plan B, and do you know about it?

You are “slow”....joe. That is my disrespect to you. But you should not have disrespected an ODU elder son. That’s on you. Attack me all you want. I can take whatever you have to dish out.

Well, since you have no answers to my questions, I guess Minimum is just a stooge for your athletic department, and ODU agrees with that hack's anti-C-USA agenda.

Common Joe. Plan "A" is do nothing different, i.e. Status Quo. ODU's plan "B" is the same as all the other school"s in the conference - yes including your own North Texas. That's why representatives from at least 7 C-USA schools met for 6 weeks or more - while representing the entire conference - to develop that plan "B" (see my prior post which contained both a portion of the article as well as a link to the full article).

As for your question about Harry Minium being hired by ODU ... well he wasn't hired to be the Athletic Director or the President of the University. As far as I am aware he isn't in a position to be dictating school policy. If he has an opinion about where ODU should or should not be, that's fine. This is America where we are allowed to have our own opinions. I'd bet money that you have some of those yourself every once in a while. He's a good writer, he covered ODU sports for a long time, he has opinions on things. Big deal. ODU previously hired Ted Alexander to be an Associate Athletic Director. He was previously the sports commentator for the local CBS News affiliate. They hired him to be in charge of their media, and he has been doing both the football and basketball play-by-play for several years now. I doubt that he is actually involved in the running of the Athletic Department other than doing the media portions of it. You're trying to make a silk purse out of a souse's ear on Minimum. He's neither going to make ODU or stop ODU do anything as far as their Conference affiliation goes, and both ODU and he knew that when they hired him.

(05-31-2020 08:11 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 07:28 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 07:20 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 07:09 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(05-31-2020 06:45 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Whatever... Everyone on this board knows Harry Minimum is a "senior executive writer" for ODU athletics, and he wrote the first two articles I posted back when he was a hack for the pilotonline. Minimum's articles have helped to promote instability within C-USA. Why would ODU's athletic department bring in a writer that had recently published these negative articles about C-USA, if they did not support the same position?

https://odusports.com/staff-directory/harry-minium/265

You don't have connections in Norfolk? You can't find out about ODU's plan B? I guess there is no plan B.

Slow joe, you just disrespected an ODU elder son.

You call me "Slow", but I'm disrespectful....

Anyway, you didn't answer the questions... Why would ODU's athletic department bring in Minimum after he wrote those negative articles about C-USA, if they didn't agree with his position? Is their a plan B, and do you know about it?

You are “slow”....joe. That is my disrespect to you. But you should not have disrespected an ODU elder son. That’s on you. Attack me all you want. I can take whatever you have to dish out.

Well, since you have no answers to my questions, I guess Minimum is just a stooge for your athletic department, and ODU agrees with that hack's anti-C-USA agenda.

Everything isn't just hot/cold, off/on, black/white, fast/slow, etc. Joe. There's a wide chasm between being a "stooge" and being in the decision making for whether ODU resides in C-USA or elsewhere.

(05-31-2020 08:37 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Common Joe. Plan "A" is do nothing different, i.e. Status Quo. ODU's plan "B" is the same as all the other school"s in the conference - yes including your own North Texas. That's why representatives from at least 7 C-USA schools met for 6 weeks or more - while representing the entire conference - to develop that plan "B" (see my prior post which contained both a portion of the article as well as a link to the full article).

As for your question about Harry Minium being hired by ODU ... well he wasn't hired to be the Athletic Director or the President of the University. As far as I am aware he isn't in a position to be dictating school policy. If he has an opinion about where ODU should or should not be, that's fine. This is America where we are allowed to have our own opinions. I'd bet money that you have some of those yourself every once in a while. He's a good writer, he covered ODU sports for a long time, he has opinions on things. Big deal. ODU previously hired Ted Alexander to be an Associate Athletic Director. He was previously the sports commentator for the local CBS News affiliate. They hired him to be in charge of their media, and he has been doing both the football and basketball play-by-play for several years now. I doubt that he is actually involved in the running of the Athletic Department other than doing the media portions of it. You're trying to make a silk purse out of a souse's ear on Minimum. He's neither going to make ODU or stop ODU do anything as far as their Conference affiliation goes, and both ODU and he knew that when they hired him.

I strongly disagree with the bolded part. He is opinionated and I agree that he has a right to those opinions. I can also understand ODU hiring him, he sees ODU athletes through rose colored glasses and sees anything negative as a result of entities outside ODU.

We had a guy like that, Peligrin, loved reading his stuff, miss him to this day.

Yeah, I guess according to Joe, Chuck Landon dictates what Marshall does... Just not smart.

SSJ, you aren't the arbiter of the G5 realignment narrative. Realignment is far from over, and you stating it's over, as if it's fact, only shows how hopeful you are that you're right. Realignment discussions are only ramping up, not dying off. You bring a lot of unecessary grief upon yourself by acting as if you're an authority, and by constantly pimping UNT's athletics riches and burgeoning infrastructure projects. Humble yourself my man, and count your blessings, because the majority of us are struggling. Stop rubbing our noses in your university's current, but very tenuous, position as our conference's richest pauper. Take a step back, find some perspective, and adjust, because you're wearing us thin.

(06-01-2020 09:50 AM)Ourland Wrote:  SSJ, you aren't the arbiter of the G5 realignment narrative. Realignment is far from over, and you stating it's over, as if it's fact, only shows how hopeful you are that you're right. Realignment discussions are only ramping up, not dying off. You bring a lot of unecessary grief upon yourself by acting as if you're an authority, and by constantly pimping UNT's athletics riches and burgeoning infrastructure projects. Humble yourself my man, and count your blessings, because the majority of us are struggling. Stop rubbing our noses in your university's current, but very tenuous, position as our conference's richest pauper. Take a step back, find some perspective, and adjust, because you're wearing us thin.

^He’s right, you know.

(06-01-2020 09:50 AM)Ourland Wrote:  SSJ, you aren't the arbiter of the G5 realignment narrative. Realignment is far from over, and you stating it's over, as if it's fact, only shows how hopeful you are that you're right. Realignment discussions are only ramping up, not dying off. You bring a lot of unecessary grief upon yourself by acting as if you're an authority, and by constantly pimping UNT's athletics riches and burgeoning infrastructure projects. Humble yourself my man, and count your blessings, because the majority of us are struggling. Stop rubbing our noses in your university's current, but very tenuous, position as our conference's richest pauper. Take a step back, find some perspective, and adjust, because you're wearing us thin.

Just curious, Ourland, what is your school?

I'm not sure who's more scared. North Texas State fans that they might get left behind if CUSA splits up, or La Tech fans afraid of ending up in a conference with flagship Louisiana University.

Tech’s President is the Chair of the CUSA Board (decision making authority). All I have seen from actual sources is no merger is happening and In fact no merger was even discussed among the decision makers.

So all the merger talk has stemmed from hack sport writers looking for clicks during a time of no sports. A Sunbelt AD looking to move his school up a conference and no nothing Sunbelt trolls (not all of them) that deluge our board daily.

Consider yours sources people and the people with the power to decide on a merger said it is not happening and hasn’t even been discussed.