Fourteen is just economically bad for any G5. More mouths to feed. More travel costs. Less cohesiveness. The same obvious problems that have been discussed over and over. Until a better solution is found stronger division structure may help to some extent. Few or zero cross division games till the conference tourney or championship game. Example-- UTEP women's soccer should NEVER go to Norfolk for a game(unless it is the conf. tourney).

(05-29-2020 02:50 PM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 02:37 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 12:49 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  With yesterday's news regarding both C-USA and the Sun Belt's bowl ties through 2025, it would seem the (too) much debated topic of a realignment is finally over. When also considering the LA Tech AD's comments stating that there has never been talk of realignment by the C-USA leadership, it now seems crystal clear that the topic is dead.

My question is... What is the next step for those that were adamantly promoting the rebellion?Will those programs swallow their pride and commit to growing in C-USA? Will they individually approach the Sun Belt seeking invitations? Or, will they go independent?

What is this rebellion you speak of, and what programs have "adamantly promoted the rebellion"?

By “PROGRAMS” he means a few internet message board fans

Well that could certainly be the case Schnauzer. Wouldn't be the first time he has used words that didn't mean what he meant for those words to mean. In this case "programs" instead of "fans". Programs are run by the administration. Fans always have all the right answers (LOL).

We are stuck in the current lineup of SBC and CUSA schools until if and when more P5 realignment happens.

Maybe I could see the two leagues trading members and allowing exit fees to cancel each other that, but there won't be a big shuffle.

(05-29-2020 02:48 PM)DETLTU Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 02:23 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 01:43 PM)DETLTU Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 01:16 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 01:05 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Man you're a fool if you think this topic is dead. It's an evergreen topic, and it will continue to be discussed as long as our league stretches from Norfolk to Miami to El Paso.

Realignment is dead! Long live Realignment!

Your a fool if you think there will actually be a realignment agreement. If you can't get the conference leadership to open official realignment conversations at this time (pandemic/economic catastrophe), than you never will. So, what is plan "B"? Will those programs swallow their pride and commit to growing in C-USA? Will they individually approach the Sun Belt seeking invitations? Or, will they go independent?

If we were really concerned with Geography, we could just kick out UTEP and Charlotte and tighten up the conference just fine. We would also improve our football by removing two of the lower performing teams.

I'm not saying we should do that at all, but it would be a heck of a lot easier than trying to merge with the Sun Belt. Southern Miss/ ODU and Marshall aren't going anywhere. They can and should schedule App or whoever else they want from the Sun Belt OOC and leave it at that.

I actually floated that idea in another thread a while back....


POST #26
Reducing our membership to 12 would equate to more CFP money distribution to each member. That extra revenue alone would help with travel budgets.

Looking at this from a business perspective, and without targeting any particular programs.... From the 2013-14 realignment, who are the two weakest programs in C-USA 3.0? We get rid of those programs and the 12 remaining benefit.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-898765-page-2.html

It definitely makes the most sense. Nobody wants to kick UTEP into the wilderness though with no where to go. Any of the other teams could probably be picked up by the Sun Belt, but nobody who came from the Sun Belt wants to go back. The only fans who suggest their school might be better off in the Sun Belt are the ones who never spent time in the conference.

Just curious as to what schools and their fans you are referencing there.

(05-29-2020 02:56 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Fourteen is just economically bad for any G5. More mouths to feed. More travel costs. Less cohesiveness. The same obvious problems that have been discussed over and over. Until a better solution is found stronger division structure may help to some extent. Few or zero cross division games till the conference tourney or championship game. Example-- UTEP women's soccer should NEVER go to Norfolk for a game(unless it is the conf. tourney).

Couldn't agree with the first part of this more. Our biggest program is that we have too many teams, but the trade-off for having too-big divisions is that it does give us more options for emphasizing divisional play in a pinch.

(05-29-2020 01:27 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 01:16 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 01:05 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Man you're a fool if you think this topic is dead. It's an evergreen topic, and it will continue to be discussed as long as our league stretches from Norfolk to Miami to El Paso.

Realignment is dead! Long live Realignment!

Your a fool if you think there will actually be a realignment agreement. If you can't get the conference leadership to open official realignment conversations at this time (pandemic/economic catastrophe), than you never will. So, what is plan "B"? Will those programs swallow their pride and commit to growing in C-USA? Will they individually approach the Sun Belt seeking invitations? Or, will they go independent?

They’re not going anywhere.

There are no advantages to merging with the lowest conference. Horrible bowls, terrible academics, Tuesday night games, Pitiful basketball attendance.

The only advantage would be they could rack up a bunch of easy wins. At the end of the season they could say “We were 9-0 in the Sunbelt!”
Then be sent to a low rated bowl to play UAB.

Man, you, your goober of an AD and the rest of the LaTech elitist fanbase need to get over yourselves and come back down to earth. If you people think that the CUSA and the rest of the members are superior to the SBC in anyway, then you've got your heads collectively stuck in the wrong place. Only UAB, Southern Miss and Marshall interests the Sun Belt members. The Sun Belt would love to have them, but those three schools are interested in joining, or should be, the AAC. They could be a good addition to that conference. I can understand them feeling stuck in the mud as members of coosa.

(05-29-2020 03:00 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 02:48 PM)DETLTU Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 02:23 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 01:43 PM)DETLTU Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 01:16 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Your a fool if you think there will actually be a realignment agreement. If you can't get the conference leadership to open official realignment conversations at this time (pandemic/economic catastrophe), than you never will. So, what is plan "B"? Will those programs swallow their pride and commit to growing in C-USA? Will they individually approach the Sun Belt seeking invitations? Or, will they go independent?

If we were really concerned with Geography, we could just kick out UTEP and Charlotte and tighten up the conference just fine. We would also improve our football by removing two of the lower performing teams.

I'm not saying we should do that at all, but it would be a heck of a lot easier than trying to merge with the Sun Belt. Southern Miss/ ODU and Marshall aren't going anywhere. They can and should schedule App or whoever else they want from the Sun Belt OOC and leave it at that.

I actually floated that idea in another thread a while back....


POST #26
Reducing our membership to 12 would equate to more CFP money distribution to each member. That extra revenue alone would help with travel budgets.

Looking at this from a business perspective, and without targeting any particular programs.... From the 2013-14 realignment, who are the two weakest programs in C-USA 3.0? We get rid of those programs and the 12 remaining benefit.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-898765-page-2.html

It definitely makes the most sense. Nobody wants to kick UTEP into the wilderness though with no where to go. Any of the other teams could probably be picked up by the Sun Belt, but nobody who came from the Sun Belt wants to go back. The only fans who suggest their school might be better off in the Sun Belt are the ones who never spent time in the conference.

Just curious as to what schools and their fans you are referencing there.

A few Marshall and USM fans is what I am referencing.

(05-29-2020 03:01 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 02:56 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Fourteen is just economically bad for any G5. More mouths to feed. More travel costs. Less cohesiveness. The same obvious problems that have been discussed over and over. Until a better solution is found stronger division structure may help to some extent. Few or zero cross division games till the conference tourney or championship game. Example-- UTEP women's soccer should NEVER go to Norfolk for a game(unless it is the conf. tourney).

Couldn't agree with the first part of this more. Our biggest program is that we have too many teams, but the trade-off for having too-big divisions is that it does give us more options for emphasizing divisional play in a pinch.

My thoughts as well.

(05-29-2020 02:50 PM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 02:37 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 12:49 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  With yesterday's news regarding both C-USA and the Sun Belt's bowl ties through 2025, it would seem the (too) much debated topic of a realignment is finally over. When also considering the LA Tech AD's comments stating that there has never been talk of realignment by the C-USA leadership, it now seems crystal clear that the topic is dead.

My question is... What is the next step for those that were adamantly promoting the rebellion?Will those programs swallow their pride and commit to growing in C-USA? Will they individually approach the Sun Belt seeking invitations? Or, will they go independent?

What is this rebellion you speak of, and what programs have "adamantly promoted the rebellion"?

By “PROGRAMS” he means a few internet message board fans

Kind of... I'd like to hear from the few vocal posters that have insight into their programs. I don't really want to read the fan's opinions as much as I'd like to know what they are hearing from their leadership.

I'd love to read a "Plan B" article written by one of the surrogates that published articles promoting the split. I just want good information as to those programs intentions.

(05-29-2020 03:02 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 01:27 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 01:16 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 01:05 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Man you're a fool if you think this topic is dead. It's an evergreen topic, and it will continue to be discussed as long as our league stretches from Norfolk to Miami to El Paso.

Realignment is dead! Long live Realignment!

Your a fool if you think there will actually be a realignment agreement. If you can't get the conference leadership to open official realignment conversations at this time (pandemic/economic catastrophe), than you never will. So, what is plan "B"? Will those programs swallow their pride and commit to growing in C-USA? Will they individually approach the Sun Belt seeking invitations? Or, will they go independent?

They’re not going anywhere.

There are no advantages to merging with the lowest conference. Horrible bowls, terrible academics, Tuesday night games, Pitiful basketball attendance.

The only advantage would be they could rack up a bunch of easy wins. At the end of the season they could say “We were 9-0 in the Sunbelt!”
Then be sent to a low rated bowl to play UAB.

Man, you, your goober of an AD and the rest of the LaTech elitist fanbase need to get over yourselves and come back down to earth. If you people think that the CUSA and the rest of the members are superior to the SBC in anyway, then you've got your heads collectively stuck in the wrong place. Only UAB, Southern Miss and Marshall interests the Sun Belt members. The Sun Belt would love to have them, but those three schools are interested in joining, or should be, the AAC. They could be a good addition to that conference. I can understand them feeling stuck in the mud as members of coosa.

Make blanket statements much? You don't know us. We certainly don't know you and I wouldn't make such a statement about your fan base.

(05-29-2020 03:02 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 01:27 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 01:16 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 01:05 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Man you're a fool if you think this topic is dead. It's an evergreen topic, and it will continue to be discussed as long as our league stretches from Norfolk to Miami to El Paso.

Realignment is dead! Long live Realignment!

Your a fool if you think there will actually be a realignment agreement. If you can't get the conference leadership to open official realignment conversations at this time (pandemic/economic catastrophe), than you never will. So, what is plan "B"? Will those programs swallow their pride and commit to growing in C-USA? Will they individually approach the Sun Belt seeking invitations? Or, will they go independent?

They’re not going anywhere.

There are no advantages to merging with the lowest conference. Horrible bowls, terrible academics, Tuesday night games, Pitiful basketball attendance.

The only advantage would be they could rack up a bunch of easy wins. At the end of the season they could say “We were 9-0 in the Sunbelt!”
Then be sent to a low rated bowl to play UAB.

Man, you, your goober of an AD and the rest of the LaTech elitist fanbase need to get over yourselves and come back down to earth. If you people think that the CUSA and the rest of the members are superior to the SBC in anyway, then you've got your heads collectively stuck in the wrong place. Only UAB, Southern Miss and Marshall interests the Sun Belt members. The Sun Belt would love to have them, but hose three schools are interested in joining, or should be, the AAC. They could be a good addition to that conference. I can understand them feeling stuck in the mud as members of coosa.

This! It’s like investing in an ETF because of a few “blue chip stocks“. You basically only buy this ETF because of a few performers or in this case brand names. So it would be better to buy these stocks individually rather than buying that ETF.

(05-29-2020 03:02 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 01:27 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 01:16 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 01:05 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Man you're a fool if you think this topic is dead. It's an evergreen topic, and it will continue to be discussed as long as our league stretches from Norfolk to Miami to El Paso.

Realignment is dead! Long live Realignment!

Your a fool if you think there will actually be a realignment agreement. If you can't get the conference leadership to open official realignment conversations at this time (pandemic/economic catastrophe), than you never will. So, what is plan "B"? Will those programs swallow their pride and commit to growing in C-USA? Will they individually approach the Sun Belt seeking invitations? Or, will they go independent?

They’re not going anywhere.

There are no advantages to merging with the lowest conference. Horrible bowls, terrible academics, Tuesday night games, Pitiful basketball attendance.

The only advantage would be they could rack up a bunch of easy wins. At the end of the season they could say “We were 9-0 in the Sunbelt!”
Then be sent to a low rated bowl to play UAB.

Man, you, your goober of an AD and the rest of the LaTech elitist fanbase need to get over yourselves and come back down to earth. If you people think that the CUSA and the rest of the members are superior to the SBC in anyway, then you've got your heads collectively stuck in the wrong place. Only UAB, Southern Miss and Marshall interests the Sun Belt members. The Sun Belt would love to have them, but hose three schools are interested in joining, or should be, the AAC. They could be a good addition to that conference. I can understand them feeling stuck in the mud as members of coosa.

I realize there is a lot of trash talk going on, but be realistic. Do you think any CUSA west fans want to trade WKU, MT, FAU, Marshall, FIU, ODU for Texas State, ULL, ULM, Ark State, Troy, South Alabama? Not bashing any of those programs, but does that really move the needle for anyone? Would any sunbelt fans want to make that trade? I just don't think there is a compelling reason to shuffle things up at this point. If we wanted teams we would want to pick and choose the better ones and leave behind the weak ones. That's just how the world works. The sun belt would do the same thing.

(05-29-2020 03:14 PM)T2003 Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 03:02 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 01:27 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 01:16 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 01:05 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Man you're a fool if you think this topic is dead. It's an evergreen topic, and it will continue to be discussed as long as our league stretches from Norfolk to Miami to El Paso.

Realignment is dead! Long live Realignment!

Your a fool if you think there will actually be a realignment agreement. If you can't get the conference leadership to open official realignment conversations at this time (pandemic/economic catastrophe), than you never will. So, what is plan "B"? Will those programs swallow their pride and commit to growing in C-USA? Will they individually approach the Sun Belt seeking invitations? Or, will they go independent?

They’re not going anywhere.

There are no advantages to merging with the lowest conference. Horrible bowls, terrible academics, Tuesday night games, Pitiful basketball attendance.

The only advantage would be they could rack up a bunch of easy wins. At the end of the season they could say “We were 9-0 in the Sunbelt!”
Then be sent to a low rated bowl to play UAB.

Man, you, your goober of an AD and the rest of the LaTech elitist fanbase need to get over yourselves and come back down to earth. If you people think that the CUSA and the rest of the members are superior to the SBC in anyway, then you've got your heads collectively stuck in the wrong place. Only UAB, Southern Miss and Marshall interests the Sun Belt members. The Sun Belt would love to have them, but hose three schools are interested in joining, or should be, the AAC. They could be a good addition to that conference. I can understand them feeling stuck in the mud as members of coosa.

This! It’s like investing in an ETF because of a few “blue chip stocks“. You basically only buy this ETF because of a few performers or in this case brand names. So it would be better to buy these stocks individually rather than buying that ETF.

Exactly. CUSA feels the same way about the Sun Belt. No point in a wholesale reorg.

(05-29-2020 01:43 PM)DETLTU Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 01:16 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 01:05 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Man you're a fool if you think this topic is dead. It's an evergreen topic, and it will continue to be discussed as long as our league stretches from Norfolk to Miami to El Paso.

Realignment is dead! Long live Realignment!

Your a fool if you think there will actually be a realignment agreement. If you can't get the conference leadership to open official realignment conversations at this time (pandemic/economic catastrophe), than you never will. So, what is plan "B"? Will those programs swallow their pride and commit to growing in C-USA? Will they individually approach the Sun Belt seeking invitations? Or, will they go independent?

If we were really concerned with Geography, we could just kick out UTEP and Charlotte and tighten up the conference just fine. We would also improve our football by removing two of the lower performing teams.

I'm not saying we should do that at all, but it would be a heck of a lot easier than trying to merge with the Sun Belt. Southern Miss/ ODU and Marshall aren't going anywhere. They can and should schedule App or whoever else they want from the Sun Belt OOC and leave it at that.

clt asks if you have USA maps in new orleans ? marshal and odu are both farther north than Charlotte.

(05-29-2020 02:37 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 12:49 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  With yesterday's news regarding both C-USA and the Sun Belt's bowl ties through 2025, it would seem the (too) much debated topic of a realignment is finally over. When also considering the LA Tech AD's comments stating that there has never been talk of realignment by the C-USA leadership, it now seems crystal clear that the topic is dead.

My question is... What is the next step for those that were adamantly promoting the rebellion?Will those programs swallow their pride and commit to growing in C-USA? Will they individually approach the Sun Belt seeking invitations? Or, will they go independent?

What is this rebellion you speak of, and what programs have "adamantly promoted the rebellion"?

Seriously Joe. What's the answer?

(05-29-2020 01:54 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  If a scheduling alliance is formed I predict eastern based CUSA/SBC schools and Texas schools start to enjoy the increased ticket revenue and reduced travel costs. This will lead to offseason discussions of taking this a step forward. I would put the likelihood of a wholesale realignment of the two conferences within five years at 80%.

Out of conference G5 opponents that make sense are getting scheduled. Rice-Houston. North Texas-SMU. Memphis-Arkansas State. Rice-Louisiana. Local FCS and HBCU opponents sell tickets and make sense. Getting P5s and service academies to come to you makes sense. In the end for Rice pairing up with the Sunbelt west means we play Texas State every year at the probable expense of UAB or USM, and instead of an East team (Middle Tennessee this year), we get a home game with someone like Arkansas State or ULM. Instead of traveling to Marshall, we travel to Birmingham or Jonesboro.

This just isn’t worth all the bother.

Here are the Facts

CUSA Bowl Games Opponents(2013-2020)
Florida State
Miami
Washington
Mississippi State
Illinois

Sunbelt P5 Bowl Games
None


Basketball Attendance (2018-19 Avg)
CUSA 3,721
Sunbelt 2,128


Football Attendance (5 year Avg)
CUSA 19,130
Sunbelt 17,646


National Champions (Highest Level) Majors Sports
CUSA - 8
Rice (Baseball)
UTEP (Basketball)
Tech 3 (Womens Basketball)
ODU 3 (Womens Basketball)

Sunbelt - 0

Academics - Tier 1
CUSA - 8 Universities
Sunbelt - 1 University

Based on facts CUSA is a major step up from the Sunbelt.

Sunbelt schools if you want to move up to CUSA, present facts on why your school should be considered for an invite to CUSA

Present your case Sunbelt schools

(05-29-2020 05:22 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Here are the Facts

CUSA Bowl Games Opponents(2013-2020)
Florida State
Miami
Washington
Mississippi State
Illinois

Sunbelt P5 Bowl Games
None


Basketball Attendance (2018-19 Avg)
CUSA 3,721
Sunbelt 2,128


Football Attendance (5 year Avg)
CUSA 19,130
Sunbelt 17,646


National Champions (Highest Level) Majors Sports
CUSA - 7
Rice (Baseball)
UTEP (Basketball)
Tech 3 (Womens Basketball)
ODU (Womens Basketball)

Sunbelt - 0

Academics - Tier 1
CUSA - 8 Universities
Sunbelt - 1 University

ODU has won 3 National Championships in Women's Basketball ('79, '80, '85).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Domini...basketball
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_AIAW_...ampionship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_AIAW_...ampionship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_NCAA_...Tournament

As long as Judy is the commissioner, it will never be brought up. She knows she with be out in the cold if it were to come about.