(06-23-2020 09:39 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 06:11 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  WMU’s home opener looking unlikely.

http://www.college-sports-journal.com/pa...trictions/

Quote: Three Patriot League football teams have out-of-conference games that require flights: Colgate at Western Michigan September 4th, Fordham at Hawai’i on September 12th, and Georgetown at San Diego on November 21st. These games seem in danger of being cancelled based on the flight restriction.

Ugh, I'd say we could set up a game w/ one of those other teams, but not sure we want to fly out to Hawaii or San Diego. Not sure of NCAA FBS rules, but does anyone have a Bye Week 1 we could schedule w/ & that'd give them a 13th game?

Maybe some more conferences will cancel?

I'm just hoping the checks for the Kentucky and Alabama games clear before the SEC cancels.

I have no idea how much football is going to be played this fall, but this is how Bowling Green is trying to make it work.

https://www.sent-trib.com/sports/bgsu-fo...57430.html

Just an fyi, but I work in brand marketing and have been in contact with the athletic departments of multiple Big Ten and ACC teams about COVID impact on the upcoming season since we invested in marketing opportunities before the pandemic. General consensus seems to be that they'll play the games with limited capacity (25% or so) with essentially no extra events (e.g. tailgating) around the games.

(07-01-2020 08:50 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Just an fyi, but I work in brand marketing and have been in contact with the athletic departments of multiple Big Ten and ACC teams about COVID impact on the upcoming season since we invested in marketing opportunities before the pandemic. General consensus seems to be that they'll play the games with limited capacity (25% or so) with essentially no extra events (e.g. tailgating) around the games.

Unless the virus pendulum swings back north and east, those are probably the two P5 conferences in the best position right now. The SEC, Big XII and PAC regions are really getting slammed.

I still think it'll happen, but I'm a little less confident in football seasons happening than I was about 2-3 weeks ago.

(07-01-2020 08:50 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Just an fyi, but I work in brand marketing and have been in contact with the athletic departments of multiple Big Ten and ACC teams about COVID impact on the upcoming season since we invested in marketing opportunities before the pandemic. General consensus seems to be that they'll play the games with limited capacity (25% or so) with essentially no extra events (e.g. tailgating) around the games.

thanks for insight.

(07-01-2020 09:44 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Unless the virus pendulum swings back north and east, those are probably the two P5 conferences in the best position right now. The SEC, Big XII and PAC regions are really getting slammed. ...

Hence my concern about whether the Kentucky and Alabama checks clear ... I am not as worried about the Penn State buy game going ahead in one form or another.

(06-23-2020 09:39 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 06:11 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  WMU’s home opener looking unlikely.

http://www.college-sports-journal.com/pa...trictions/

Quote: Three Patriot League football teams have out-of-conference games that require flights: Colgate at Western Michigan September 4th, Fordham at Hawai’i on September 12th, and Georgetown at San Diego on November 21st. These games seem in danger of being cancelled based on the flight restriction.

Ugh, I'd say we could set up a game w/ one of those other teams, but not sure we want to fly out to Hawaii or San Diego. Not sure of NCAA FBS rules, but does anyone have a Bye Week 1 we could schedule w/ & that'd give them a 13th game?

Maybe some more conferences will cancel?

Also, Colgate would fly out to Kalamazoo?

Oh well, I see the season being cancelled for everyone so it's likely moot conversation anyways

Stony Brook replaces Colgate as Broncos' opener.

"Ten-game, Big Ten-only schedule seems likely for 2020"
https://northwestern.rivals.com/news/ten...y-for-2020

The rationale of mixing n' matching teams based on if a school 'can't play' for a week is strange.

MAC schools that would be affected, several risk having 2 holes in their schedules.

BGSU-Ohio State
BGSU-Illinois
Buffalo-Ohio State
Kent State-Penn State
Ball State-Michigan
Ball State-Indiana
CMU-Nebraska
CMU-Northwestern
NIU-Maryland
NIU-Iowa
Toledo-MSU

B1G gets to keep their cash that would help fund MAC programs.

I love college football. But at some point, maybe it's just better if we just nix the season for a year if all this is getting too nutty.

Ivy League has cancelled fall sports. That won't drive Big Ten decisions, obviously, but it provides cover for conferences in states that don't have any effective epidemic control policies in place ... Texas, Florida, South Carolina, Alabama, based on a strong rising new case rate trend and either rising or never controlled death rate trend, possibly North Carolina, Louisiana, Georgia, Oklahoma and California if the rising case rates in the past week are reflected in rising death rates in the coming two weeks.

That puts the ACC, SEC, Big12 and PAC-12 seasons in serious jeopardy.

(07-08-2020 08:40 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  "Ten-game, Big Ten-only schedule seems likely for 2020"
https://northwestern.rivals.com/news/ten...y-for-2020

The rationale of mixing n' matching teams based on if a school 'can't play' for a week is strange.

MAC schools that would be affected, several risk having 2 holes in their schedules.

BGSU-Ohio State
BGSU-Illinois
Buffalo-Ohio State
Kent State-Penn State
Ball State-Michigan
Ball State-Indiana
CMU-Nebraska
CMU-Northwestern
NIU-Maryland
NIU-Iowa
Toledo-MSU

B1G gets to keep their cash that would help fund MAC programs.

If it can be demonstrated in court that an OOC game was cancelled due to heightened epidemic risk, maybe they could keep their guarantee for those games ...
... if it is done simply for convenience of rescheduling, the only ones of those that don't appear to be doable in a single day bus round trip would be NIU Maryland and CMU Nebraska.

Other than those two, it seems like the MAC schools in the same states as Big Ten schools allowed to visit other Big Ten schools would have a case that their guarantee has to be paid in any event.

And really, it's OK if Kent doesn't play Penn State, so long as the guarantee check is handed over and the check clears.

Yup, I was thinking along those same legalese lines, Bruce. Feels like those MAC teams would have a strong case if those contracts were broken.

As you say, a lot of those MAC-B1G matchups would be geographically closer than some B1G-B1G matchups.

I have two thoughts.

1. The Ivy league making this decision will make other conferences in all divisions think. Intellectuals usually do the right thing. Those schools also don't run on athletics... Which may be why certain conferences ignore their solution to the Pandemic for their athletes.

2. I wouldn't mind an all league schedule if we can reschedule @MSU and SDSU in the future. Push it back a month or whatever right now. Its too late to go early and avoid "flu season." Schools still having on campus schooling will know pretty soon if it's gonna work out in September... If not? Cancel until next fall.

(07-08-2020 11:46 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I have two thoughts.

1. The Ivy league making this decision will make other conferences in all divisions think. Intellectuals usually do the right thing. Those schools also don't run on athletics... Which may be why certain conferences ignore their solution to the Pandemic for their athletes.

2. I wouldn't mind an all league schedule if we can reschedule @MSU and SDSU in the future. Push it back a month or whatever right now. Its too late to go early and avoid "flu season." Schools still having on campus schooling will know pretty soon if it's gonna work out in September... If not? Cancel until next fall.

It is a HUGE mess.

I favored moving UP the schedule ASSUMING, the lowest rate of infections would be in say August, September and October. Guess that is now not going to be the case.

The hope was to have the positive test rate down to say 3 - 5% across the country by Labor Day.

And moving the schedule back moves into the 'twin killers' - flu and Covid.

Maybe the NCAA should start thinking about 'what if' there isn't a season or say 4 - 6 game season and another year of eligibility or allowing student athletes to opt out of competition and get a year which doesn't count even for redshirting.

(07-09-2020 05:38 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(07-08-2020 11:46 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I have two thoughts.

1. The Ivy league making this decision will make other conferences in all divisions think. Intellectuals usually do the right thing. Those schools also don't run on athletics... Which may be why certain conferences ignore their solution to the Pandemic for their athletes.

2. I wouldn't mind an all league schedule if we can reschedule @MSU and SDSU in the future. Push it back a month or whatever right now. Its too late to go early and avoid "flu season." Schools still having on campus schooling will know pretty soon if it's gonna work out in September... If not? Cancel until next fall.

It is a HUGE mess.

I favored moving UP the schedule ASSUMING, the lowest rate of infections would be in say August, September and October. Guess that is now not going to be the case.

The hope was to have the positive test rate down to say 3 - 5% across the country by Labor Day.

And moving the schedule back moves into the 'twin killers' - flu and Covid.

Maybe the NCAA should start thinking about 'what if' there isn't a season or say 4 - 6 game season and another year of eligibility or allowing student athletes to opt out of competition and get a year which doesn't count even for redshirting.

Logistically how many more schollies can a team have if their are 2 senior classes and 130 or so players on a roster? How would the NFL draft go? What about schools that can't go on without on campus revenue/fall sports? Another year without this stuff would be devestating... Although I error on the side of caution.

Our country has boat loads of money it COULD fund these schools with. The number I saw was between 4 and 6 billion. That's like two weeks of income for the huge company CEO's. 740Billion dollars we have in the military budget. Let's move some to keep Universities open. Not everyone has to struggle. Let's get healthy, then move forward.

Covid-19 months is a South Park episode. Largely unjustified panic all around, and then some kid looks around, sees the stupidity everywhere, and says "this is just nuts".

Actually, it is kind of a combination of the book Atlas Shrugged, and South Park.

(07-09-2020 10:27 AM)brovol Wrote:  Covid-19 months is a South Park episode. Largely unjustified panic all around, and then some kid looks around, sees the stupidity everywhere, and says "this is just nuts".

Actually, it is kind of a combination of the book Atlas Shrugged, and South Park.

Am I correct in assuming the stupidity is not following very simple guidelines; mask, distance, and quarantine if you have symptoms? Had people done that we would be well on the way to having a football season. Instead we have in front of us the myth of American exceptionalism.

Let's not play victim here. These cancellations are not letting Big Ten schools "off the hook." It's not like they're happy that they don't have to pay those fees--they were more than covering those payments with the game day income: tickets, concessions, parking etc. That's the reason they would pay the $1M fees in the first place. It was a good deal for them. They are losing money, too. It's just that they can afford the loss more. But this is a loss for everyone. Everybody is going to suffer until this thing is over.

(07-08-2020 11:46 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Its too late to go early and avoid "flu season."

I kept saying "it's not the flu". It's not about the season, it's about whether effective epidemic containment policies are in place.

They put them in place in Taiwan and now they are playing baseball in front of crowds.

(07-12-2020 11:19 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-08-2020 11:46 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Its too late to go early and avoid "flu season."

I kept saying "it's not the flu". It's not about the season, it's about whether effective epidemic containment policies are in place.

They put them in place in Taiwan and now they are playing baseball in front of crowds.

Yes. Different ways of meaning the same thing. It's not like flu has a pre season then kicks off in October... The season of coldyness + staying inside where virus' incubate makes it the "Flu season."

(07-12-2020 01:16 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 11:19 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-08-2020 11:46 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Its too late to go early and avoid "flu season."

I kept saying "it's not the flu". It's not about the season, it's about whether effective epidemic containment policies are in place.

They put them in place in Taiwan and now they are playing baseball in front of crowds.

Yes. Different ways of meaning the same thing. It's not like flu has a pre season then kicks off in October... The season of coldyness + staying inside where virus' incubate makes it the "Flu season."

That's when there is a flu that is closely related to the ones that circulated in the past three to five years, which faces a lot of partial immunity and needs close to ideal conditions to be spread widely.

When there is a relatively "novel" flu with relatively little partial immunity in the population, the "flu" season is the same as kids going back to school, because kids, with no immunity to a variety of flu that hasn't been circulating in a decade or more, are a big vector for spreading the epidemic.

(07-12-2020 11:19 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-08-2020 11:46 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Its too late to go early and avoid "flu season."

I kept saying "it's not the flu". It's not about the season, it's about whether effective epidemic containment policies are in place.

They put them in place in Taiwan and now they are playing baseball in front of crowds.

Japan playing baseball as well...less than 25,000 cases total, why cause they already wear masks...

https://gogonihon.com/en/blog/why-do-jap...ear-masks/