I've been on the men's lax bandwagon for a few years now. It just makes too much sense. I know it would warrant an additional women's sport and we are gearing up to eventually jump in football but until that happens we could make a quick impact in a short amount of time with Men's lacrosse. The last time that I looked there were 65 or so D1 Men's lacrosse programs. I like the odds of JMU being nationally relevant in lacrosse in a relatively short period of time.
JMU has a very good club team. In fact, there are 100s of D1 level club teams across the country. Two designations I am aware of are MCLA and NCLL. The destination is dependent on the level of funding by the school.
Some schools pay for coaches and operating costs. I believe they are the MCLA level schools. Neither level offers scholarships nor tuition assistance of any kind. They both have a regional tournaments that feed into a national tournament to decide a national champion.
(This post was last modified: 03-23-2020 07:42 PM by JMUNation.)
(03-23-2020 01:26 PM)ParentofJMUMRDs Wrote: For reference according to the NCAA baseball is allowed 11.7 scholarships (.7?? How did they come up with that one?) and softball is allowed 12 scholarships. Since each team has a roster in excess of the scholarship limit they are either shared to some degree or some players do not have a scholarship or a part of one.
As far as I am aware as has been pointed out above JMU fully funds and distributes the maximum number of scholarships that the NCAA allows for each NCAA team sport.
Brian
I am personal friends with a current softball player and her family- they told me she is only getting 20%..(. I believe that was the amount. Something like that) anyway, she loves and wanted JMU regardless. My point: some of the olympic sport’s schollies are not full rides or even close. Do they get COA? IDK
One of the reasons JMU is so good at the minor sports is because kids pick to play there because of the quality of the school and program. There is no money paid to parents under the table via some apparel or shoe company. No AAU coach receiving “donations” to send his best players to your program.
In basketball, it is a money game. They get paid at the P5 schools. Wade at LSU was caught red handed on tape yet he is still coaching.
Years ago I was approached by a Florida AAU coach during the Keener years. He wanted me to organize a group of alums to make a donation to his AAU team. I asked Keener if it was legal to recruit some alums to give a legitimate donation to a Florida AAU team so that that coach would be a “friend” of JMU. His response was we don’t need to do those things at JMU.
It is an easy loophole in the rules for alums to make donations to nonprofit organizations in return for them to show favor to your school. Hard to connect those dots because the alum never sees where the money goes. Plausible deniability. It was a donation to help some kids fulfill their dream of playing basketball.
(03-22-2020 03:10 PM)JMUNation Wrote: Splash this splash that. You guys are beyond ridiculous. Anyone with any sense reads your posts and rolls their eyes. Your answer to everything is spend more money. As if that guarantees anything.
The list of coaches interviewed was pretty dang good and about what any reasonable person could expect. JT III? If he was so great, he would have been hired by a P5 long ago. Pitino? Really? You want him banging hookers on a restaurant table in Harrisonburg? You folks blow me away with your posts. What in the world are you thinking?
There was never going to be a splash hire. Many of us close to the university told you this over and over but you kept posting about how you wanted washed up BIG names. You kept posting about how JMU should spend $1 million on a name hire with multiple NCAA tournament appearances. That guy isn’t coming to JMU!!!!!!! How on earth could you ever expect he would? If you were that coach, would you? I sure as hell wouldn’t.
Can we just move on and support the hire and hope like hell he isn’t another Dean Keener?
Of course the answer is more money. That is why Bruce Drew signed with Grand Canyon University which has only even been D-1 since 2013 and has zero appearances in the NCAA tourney. Their online degrees are supplementing their campus revenue and they ponied up big bucks. You get what you pay for.
Alger as the hiring manager surely understands that the more money you are offering means the better the candidate pool is. Money talks and BS walks. As he and Bourne worked with their 3rd party contractor and coaches’ agents they knew what amount it takes to attract certain candidates. They just aren’t willing to offer it. In my terminology I call that not wanting to win bad enough.
Let’s not distort the truth and say JMU athletics doesn’t have the money. They have $52 million of which $39 million comes from student fees.
Student fee revenue has increased by an average of $1 million per year. Why wouldn’t JMU take a slice of that annual increase and apply it to hiring a proven coach to open the Taj Mahal AUBC? Also, JMU “saved” money by going cheap for 4 long years with Louis Rowe. Why wouldn’t JMU use those savings to invest back in hiring a proven coach? Also, JMU got paid $500k by ECU when they hired coach Houston a year ago. Why wouldn’t they use that money to invest back in hiring a proven coach?
Check out the numbers. You can pick other schools too for the charts and start scratching your head trying to figure out how multiple schools with smaller budgets pay significantly more to their head basketball coach. http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...he_money-1
(This post was last modified: 03-23-2020 09:22 PM by Hart Foundation.)
(03-23-2020 08:37 PM)JMUNation Wrote: One of the reasons JMU is so good at the minor sports is because kids pick to play there because of the quality of the school and program. There is no money paid to parents under the table via some apparel or shoe company. No AAU coach receiving “donations” to send his best players to your program.
In basketball, it is a money game. They get paid at the P5 schools. Wade at LSU was caught red handed on tape yet he is still coaching.
Years ago I was approached by a Florida AAU coach during the Keener years. He wanted me to organize a group of alums to make a donation to his AAU team. I asked Keener if it was legal to recruit some alums to give a legitimate donation to a Florida AAU team so that that coach would be a “friend” of JMU. His response was we don’t need to do those things at JMU.
It is an easy loophole in the rules for alums to make donations to nonprofit organizations in return for them to show favor to your school. Hard to connect those dots because the alum never sees where the money goes. Plausible deniability. It was a donation to help some kids fulfill their dream of playing basketball.
With regard to the sports that can't give a full scholarship to each player, I'd love for an investigative reporter to do some digging.
I would like to know what percentage of SEC softball players get enough grants and academic scholarship money to cover what the athletic scholarship doesn't. Then I'd like to see how that compares to the rest of the collegiate softball world.
If they play in the SEC, you can bet they are cheating. Doesn’t matter the sport. Their checkers team is having money paid through handlers to their parents bank accounts.
(03-22-2020 03:10 PM)JMUNation Wrote: Splash this splash that. You guys are beyond ridiculous. Anyone with any sense reads your posts and rolls their eyes. Your answer to everything is spend more money. As if that guarantees anything.
The list of coaches interviewed was pretty dang good and about what any reasonable person could expect. JT III? If he was so great, he would have been hired by a P5 long ago. Pitino? Really? You want him banging hookers on a restaurant table in Harrisonburg? You folks blow me away with your posts. What in the world are you thinking?
There was never going to be a splash hire. Many of us close to the university told you this over and over but you kept posting about how you wanted washed up BIG names. You kept posting about how JMU should spend $1 million on a name hire with multiple NCAA tournament appearances. That guy isn’t coming to JMU!!!!!!! How on earth could you ever expect he would? If you were that coach, would you? I sure as hell wouldn’t.
Can we just move on and support the hire and hope like hell he isn’t another Dean Keener?
Of course the answer is more money. That is why Bruce Drew signed with Grand Canyon University which has only even been D-1 since 2013 and has zero appearances in the NCAA tourney. Their online degrees are supplementing their campus revenue and they ponied up big bucks. You get what you pay for.
Alger as the hiring manager surely understands that the more money you are offering means the better the candidate pool is. Money talks and BS walks. As he and Bourne worked with their 3rd party contractor and coaches’ agents they knew what amount it takes to attract certain candidates. They just aren’t willing to offer it. In my terminology I call that not wanting to win bad enough.
Let’s not distort the truth and say JMU athletics doesn’t have the money. They have $52 million of which $39 million comes from student fees.
Student fee revenue has increased by an average of $1 million per year. Why wouldn’t JMU take a slice of that annual increase and apply it to hiring a proven coach to open the Taj Mahal AUBC? Also, JMU “saved” money by going cheap for 4 long years with Louis Rowe. Why wouldn’t JMU use those savings to invest back in hiring a proven coach? Also, JMU got paid $500k by ECU when they hired coach Houston a year ago. Why wouldn’t they use that money to invest back in hiring a proven coach?
Check out the numbers. You can pick other schools too for the charts and start scratching your head trying to figure out how multiple schools with smaller budgets pay significantly more to their head basketball coach. http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...he_money-1
You think JMU just prints money and rolls around in it. You're quick to point out that JMU receives money for coaches departures but you forget that we pay for hiring other school's coaches. We had to pay Elon for Cignetti and I'm sure GSU got a check for Byington leaving before the end of his contract. Don't forget we have expenses too.
Here are numbers I can find on just men's basketball spending. Interesting take the past 2 years and the changes in the conference on spending. Keep in mind the teams that made big jumps also gave coaches extensions and raises. JMU is 8th in total spending but 2nd in operating expenses
(03-22-2020 03:10 PM)JMUNation Wrote: Splash this splash that. You guys are beyond ridiculous. Anyone with any sense reads your posts and rolls their eyes. Your answer to everything is spend more money. As if that guarantees anything.
The list of coaches interviewed was pretty dang good and about what any reasonable person could expect. JT III? If he was so great, he would have been hired by a P5 long ago. Pitino? Really? You want him banging hookers on a restaurant table in Harrisonburg? You folks blow me away with your posts. What in the world are you thinking?
There was never going to be a splash hire. Many of us close to the university told you this over and over but you kept posting about how you wanted washed up BIG names. You kept posting about how JMU should spend $1 million on a name hire with multiple NCAA tournament appearances. That guy isn’t coming to JMU!!!!!!! How on earth could you ever expect he would? If you were that coach, would you? I sure as hell wouldn’t.
Can we just move on and support the hire and hope like hell he isn’t another Dean Keener?
Of course the answer is more money. That is why Bruce Drew signed with Grand Canyon University which has only even been D-1 since 2013 and has zero appearances in the NCAA tourney. Their online degrees are supplementing their campus revenue and they ponied up big bucks. You get what you pay for.
Alger as the hiring manager surely understands that the more money you are offering means the better the candidate pool is. Money talks and BS walks. As he and Bourne worked with their 3rd party contractor and coaches’ agents they knew what amount it takes to attract certain candidates. They just aren’t willing to offer it. In my terminology I call that not wanting to win bad enough.
Let’s not distort the truth and say JMU athletics doesn’t have the money. They have $52 million of which $39 million comes from student fees.
Student fee revenue has increased by an average of $1 million per year. Why wouldn’t JMU take a slice of that annual increase and apply it to hiring a proven coach to open the Taj Mahal AUBC? Also, JMU “saved” money by going cheap for 4 long years with Louis Rowe. Why wouldn’t JMU use those savings to invest back in hiring a proven coach? Also, JMU got paid $500k by ECU when they hired coach Houston a year ago. Why wouldn’t they use that money to invest back in hiring a proven coach?
Check out the numbers. You can pick other schools too for the charts and start scratching your head trying to figure out how multiple schools with smaller budgets pay significantly more to their head basketball coach. http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...he_money-1
You think JMU just prints money and rolls around in it. You're quick to point out that JMU receives money for coaches departures but you forget that we pay for hiring other school's coaches. We had to pay Elon for Cignetti and I'm sure GSU got a check for Byington leaving before the end of his contract. Don't forget we have expenses too.
Hart's big issue seems to be about allocation of funds across sports.
JMU sponsors 18 sports. In theory, if you wanted to grow the basketball HC salary by $500k, that would mean cutting approximately $30k from each of the other 17 sports, or some overheads or equipment purchases.
Haven't seen a breakdown of the athletic budget to know if thats remotely reasonable or not. Not sure how much of this goes to service athletic facility debts, etc. It seems to be true that JMU proportionally spends a lot more on non-revenue sports than our "budget peers" do, and on revenue sports spends less.
(03-22-2020 03:10 PM)JMUNation Wrote: Splash this splash that. You guys are beyond ridiculous. Anyone with any sense reads your posts and rolls their eyes. Your answer to everything is spend more money. As if that guarantees anything.
The list of coaches interviewed was pretty dang good and about what any reasonable person could expect. JT III? If he was so great, he would have been hired by a P5 long ago. Pitino? Really? You want him banging hookers on a restaurant table in Harrisonburg? You folks blow me away with your posts. What in the world are you thinking?
There was never going to be a splash hire. Many of us close to the university told you this over and over but you kept posting about how you wanted washed up BIG names. You kept posting about how JMU should spend $1 million on a name hire with multiple NCAA tournament appearances. That guy isn’t coming to JMU!!!!!!! How on earth could you ever expect he would? If you were that coach, would you? I sure as hell wouldn’t.
Can we just move on and support the hire and hope like hell he isn’t another Dean Keener?
Of course the answer is more money. That is why Bruce Drew signed with Grand Canyon University which has only even been D-1 since 2013 and has zero appearances in the NCAA tourney. Their online degrees are supplementing their campus revenue and they ponied up big bucks. You get what you pay for.
Alger as the hiring manager surely understands that the more money you are offering means the better the candidate pool is. Money talks and BS walks. As he and Bourne worked with their 3rd party contractor and coaches’ agents they knew what amount it takes to attract certain candidates. They just aren’t willing to offer it. In my terminology I call that not wanting to win bad enough.
Let’s not distort the truth and say JMU athletics doesn’t have the money. They have $52 million of which $39 million comes from student fees.
Student fee revenue has increased by an average of $1 million per year. Why wouldn’t JMU take a slice of that annual increase and apply it to hiring a proven coach to open the Taj Mahal AUBC? Also, JMU “saved” money by going cheap for 4 long years with Louis Rowe. Why wouldn’t JMU use those savings to invest back in hiring a proven coach? Also, JMU got paid $500k by ECU when they hired coach Houston a year ago. Why wouldn’t they use that money to invest back in hiring a proven coach?
Check out the numbers. You can pick other schools too for the charts and start scratching your head trying to figure out how multiple schools with smaller budgets pay significantly more to their head basketball coach. http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...he_money-1
You think JMU just prints money and rolls around in it. You're quick to point out that JMU receives money for coaches departures but you forget that we pay for hiring other school's coaches. We had to pay Elon for Cignetti and I'm sure GSU got a check for Byington leaving before the end of his contract. Don't forget we have expenses too.
Hart's big issue seems to be about allocation of funds across sports.
JMU sponsors 18 sports. In theory, if you wanted to grow the basketball HC salary by $500k, that would mean cutting approximately $30k from each of the other 17 sports, or some overheads or equipment purchases.
Haven't seen a breakdown of the athletic budget to know if thats remotely reasonable or not. Not sure how much of this goes to service athletic facility debts, etc. It seems to be true that JMU proportionally spends a lot more on non-revenue sports than our "budget peers" do, and on revenue sports spends less.
I don’t know if the above is true but suspect it is.
I am fairly certain App and GSU put all their eggs in the football basket. How else is JMU able to steal a basketball coach away from GSU?
Like it or not, JMU takes Title IX seriously and likely to a further extent than some of our peers. JMU is 63% female at last check. Hart has mentioned that student fees make up a large portion of our funding. When your student body is 63% female, how can one ignore fully funding female athletics. Couple that with the fact that they are very successful too.
Hart will point to the return on investment with men’s basketball, which is a legitimate point of view. JMU is a governmental entity so it has a larger political obligation to things like gender equity than a privately held business. They can’t exclusively follow the money at times.
There so many obstacles Bourne and King have to navigate that we businessmen don’t understand. We just see the return on investment and think why isn’t JMU allocating more money to this?
(03-22-2020 03:10 PM)JMUNation Wrote: Splash this splash that. You guys are beyond ridiculous. Anyone with any sense reads your posts and rolls their eyes. Your answer to everything is spend more money. As if that guarantees anything.
The list of coaches interviewed was pretty dang good and about what any reasonable person could expect. JT III? If he was so great, he would have been hired by a P5 long ago. Pitino? Really? You want him banging hookers on a restaurant table in Harrisonburg? You folks blow me away with your posts. What in the world are you thinking?
There was never going to be a splash hire. Many of us close to the university told you this over and over but you kept posting about how you wanted washed up BIG names. You kept posting about how JMU should spend $1 million on a name hire with multiple NCAA tournament appearances. That guy isn’t coming to JMU!!!!!!! How on earth could you ever expect he would? If you were that coach, would you? I sure as hell wouldn’t.
Can we just move on and support the hire and hope like hell he isn’t another Dean Keener?
Of course the answer is more money. That is why Bruce Drew signed with Grand Canyon University which has only even been D-1 since 2013 and has zero appearances in the NCAA tourney. Their online degrees are supplementing their campus revenue and they ponied up big bucks. You get what you pay for.
Alger as the hiring manager surely understands that the more money you are offering means the better the candidate pool is. Money talks and BS walks. As he and Bourne worked with their 3rd party contractor and coaches’ agents they knew what amount it takes to attract certain candidates. They just aren’t willing to offer it. In my terminology I call that not wanting to win bad enough.
Let’s not distort the truth and say JMU athletics doesn’t have the money. They have $52 million of which $39 million comes from student fees.
Student fee revenue has increased by an average of $1 million per year. Why wouldn’t JMU take a slice of that annual increase and apply it to hiring a proven coach to open the Taj Mahal AUBC? Also, JMU “saved” money by going cheap for 4 long years with Louis Rowe. Why wouldn’t JMU use those savings to invest back in hiring a proven coach? Also, JMU got paid $500k by ECU when they hired coach Houston a year ago. Why wouldn’t they use that money to invest back in hiring a proven coach?
Check out the numbers. You can pick other schools too for the charts and start scratching your head trying to figure out how multiple schools with smaller budgets pay significantly more to their head basketball coach. http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...he_money-1
You think JMU just prints money and rolls around in it. You're quick to point out that JMU receives money for coaches departures but you forget that we pay for hiring other school's coaches. We had to pay Elon for Cignetti and I'm sure GSU got a check for Byington leaving before the end of his contract. Don't forget we have expenses too.
Hart's big issue seems to be about allocation of funds across sports.
JMU sponsors 18 sports. In theory, if you wanted to grow the basketball HC salary by $500k, that would mean cutting approximately $30k from each of the other 17 sports, or some overheads or equipment purchases.
Haven't seen a breakdown of the athletic budget to know if thats remotely reasonable or not. Not sure how much of this goes to service athletic facility debts, etc. It seems to be true that JMU proportionally spends a lot more on non-revenue sports than our "budget peers" do, and on revenue sports spends less.
I don’t know if the above is true but suspect it is.
I am fairly certain App and GSU put all their eggs in the football basket. How else is JMU able to steal a basketball coach away from GSU?
Like it or not, JMU takes Title IX seriously and likely to a further extent than some of our peers. JMU is 63% female at last check. Hart has mentioned that student fees make up a large portion of our funding. When your student body is 63% female, how can one ignore fully funding female athletics. Couple that with the fact that they are very successful too.
Hart will point to the return on investment with men’s basketball, which is a legitimate point of view. JMU is a governmental entity so it has a larger political obligation to things like gender equity than a privately held business. They can’t exclusively follow the money at times.
There so many obstacles Bourne and King have to navigate that we businessmen don’t understand. We just see the return on investment and think why isn’t JMU allocating more money to this?
Personally I like that JMU strives to be more of an "everything school" instead of a football school or basketball school. Unfortunately for a while it's been closer to an "everything but basketball school" and I hope that can finally change for the better.
I agree with you Scotty and I think most of our fan base does too.
JMU is not awash with money. Since 2004 they manage to build a performance center, football stadium, new baseball and softball facilities then tennis, golf and all the facilities on the Forbes property. The last of the upgrades was basketball but in fairness, the Convo still was serviceable and probably should have been the last upgrade.
JMU is pretty set on facilities for the foreseeable future. The stadium could use a new visitor side but it isn’t mandatory. Other than that, I think any upgrades will be more finishing touches to existing facilities rather than major projects.
(03-22-2020 03:10 PM)JMUNation Wrote: Splash this splash that. You guys are beyond ridiculous. Anyone with any sense reads your posts and rolls their eyes. Your answer to everything is spend more money. As if that guarantees anything.
The list of coaches interviewed was pretty dang good and about what any reasonable person could expect. JT III? If he was so great, he would have been hired by a P5 long ago. Pitino? Really? You want him banging hookers on a restaurant table in Harrisonburg? You folks blow me away with your posts. What in the world are you thinking?
There was never going to be a splash hire. Many of us close to the university told you this over and over but you kept posting about how you wanted washed up BIG names. You kept posting about how JMU should spend $1 million on a name hire with multiple NCAA tournament appearances. That guy isn’t coming to JMU!!!!!!! How on earth could you ever expect he would? If you were that coach, would you? I sure as hell wouldn’t.
Can we just move on and support the hire and hope like hell he isn’t another Dean Keener?
Of course the answer is more money. That is why Bruce Drew signed with Grand Canyon University which has only even been D-1 since 2013 and has zero appearances in the NCAA tourney. Their online degrees are supplementing their campus revenue and they ponied up big bucks. You get what you pay for.
Alger as the hiring manager surely understands that the more money you are offering means the better the candidate pool is. Money talks and BS walks. As he and Bourne worked with their 3rd party contractor and coaches’ agents they knew what amount it takes to attract certain candidates. They just aren’t willing to offer it. In my terminology I call that not wanting to win bad enough.
Let’s not distort the truth and say JMU athletics doesn’t have the money. They have $52 million of which $39 million comes from student fees.
Student fee revenue has increased by an average of $1 million per year. Why wouldn’t JMU take a slice of that annual increase and apply it to hiring a proven coach to open the Taj Mahal AUBC? Also, JMU “saved” money by going cheap for 4 long years with Louis Rowe. Why wouldn’t JMU use those savings to invest back in hiring a proven coach? Also, JMU got paid $500k by ECU when they hired coach Houston a year ago. Why wouldn’t they use that money to invest back in hiring a proven coach?
Check out the numbers. You can pick other schools too for the charts and start scratching your head trying to figure out how multiple schools with smaller budgets pay significantly more to their head basketball coach. http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...he_money-1
You think JMU just prints money and rolls around in it. You're quick to point out that JMU receives money for coaches departures but you forget that we pay for hiring other school's coaches. We had to pay Elon for Cignetti and I'm sure GSU got a check for Byington leaving before the end of his contract. Don't forget we have expenses too.
Hart's big issue seems to be about allocation of funds across sports.
JMU sponsors 18 sports. In theory, if you wanted to grow the basketball HC salary by $500k, that would mean cutting approximately $30k from each of the other 17 sports, or some overheads or equipment purchases.
Haven't seen a breakdown of the athletic budget to know if thats remotely reasonable or not. Not sure how much of this goes to service athletic facility debts, etc. It seems to be true that JMU proportionally spends a lot more on non-revenue sports than our "budget peers" do, and on revenue sports spends less.
A lot of your budget seems to be administration and overhead costs. Much more so than ours. Here's the most recent years for both schools. Your budget over 3 million more than ours. Go down the expenses and see what line items you're outspending us in and not just FB, MBB & WBB. The other sports is the same.
(03-22-2020 03:10 PM)JMUNation Wrote: Splash this splash that. You guys are beyond ridiculous. Anyone with any sense reads your posts and rolls their eyes. Your answer to everything is spend more money. As if that guarantees anything.
The list of coaches interviewed was pretty dang good and about what any reasonable person could expect. JT III? If he was so great, he would have been hired by a P5 long ago. Pitino? Really? You want him banging hookers on a restaurant table in Harrisonburg? You folks blow me away with your posts. What in the world are you thinking?
There was never going to be a splash hire. Many of us close to the university told you this over and over but you kept posting about how you wanted washed up BIG names. You kept posting about how JMU should spend $1 million on a name hire with multiple NCAA tournament appearances. That guy isn’t coming to JMU!!!!!!! How on earth could you ever expect he would? If you were that coach, would you? I sure as hell wouldn’t.
Can we just move on and support the hire and hope like hell he isn’t another Dean Keener?
Of course the answer is more money. That is why Bruce Drew signed with Grand Canyon University which has only even been D-1 since 2013 and has zero appearances in the NCAA tourney. Their online degrees are supplementing their campus revenue and they ponied up big bucks. You get what you pay for.
Alger as the hiring manager surely understands that the more money you are offering means the better the candidate pool is. Money talks and BS walks. As he and Bourne worked with their 3rd party contractor and coaches’ agents they knew what amount it takes to attract certain candidates. They just aren’t willing to offer it. In my terminology I call that not wanting to win bad enough.
Let’s not distort the truth and say JMU athletics doesn’t have the money. They have $52 million of which $39 million comes from student fees.
Student fee revenue has increased by an average of $1 million per year. Why wouldn’t JMU take a slice of that annual increase and apply it to hiring a proven coach to open the Taj Mahal AUBC? Also, JMU “saved” money by going cheap for 4 long years with Louis Rowe. Why wouldn’t JMU use those savings to invest back in hiring a proven coach? Also, JMU got paid $500k by ECU when they hired coach Houston a year ago. Why wouldn’t they use that money to invest back in hiring a proven coach?
Check out the numbers. You can pick other schools too for the charts and start scratching your head trying to figure out how multiple schools with smaller budgets pay significantly more to their head basketball coach. http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...he_money-1
You think JMU just prints money and rolls around in it. You're quick to point out that JMU receives money for coaches departures but you forget that we pay for hiring other school's coaches. We had to pay Elon for Cignetti and I'm sure GSU got a check for Byington leaving before the end of his contract. Don't forget we have expenses too.
Hart's big issue seems to be about allocation of funds across sports.
JMU sponsors 18 sports. In theory, if you wanted to grow the basketball HC salary by $500k, that would mean cutting approximately $30k from each of the other 17 sports, or some overheads or equipment purchases.
Haven't seen a breakdown of the athletic budget to know if thats remotely reasonable or not. Not sure how much of this goes to service athletic facility debts, etc. It seems to be true that JMU proportionally spends a lot more on non-revenue sports than our "budget peers" do, and on revenue sports spends less.
A lot of your budget seems to be administration and overhead costs. Much more so than ours. Here's the most recent years for both schools. Your budget over 3 million more than ours. Go down the expenses and see what line items you're outspending us in and not just FB, MBB & WBB. The other sports is the same.
(03-22-2020 03:10 PM)JMUNation Wrote: Splash this splash that. You guys are beyond ridiculous. Anyone with any sense reads your posts and rolls their eyes. Your answer to everything is spend more money. As if that guarantees anything.
The list of coaches interviewed was pretty dang good and about what any reasonable person could expect. JT III? If he was so great, he would have been hired by a P5 long ago. Pitino? Really? You want him banging hookers on a restaurant table in Harrisonburg? You folks blow me away with your posts. What in the world are you thinking?
There was never going to be a splash hire. Many of us close to the university told you this over and over but you kept posting about how you wanted washed up BIG names. You kept posting about how JMU should spend $1 million on a name hire with multiple NCAA tournament appearances. That guy isn’t coming to JMU!!!!!!! How on earth could you ever expect he would? If you were that coach, would you? I sure as hell wouldn’t.
Can we just move on and support the hire and hope like hell he isn’t another Dean Keener?
Of course the answer is more money. That is why Bruce Drew signed with Grand Canyon University which has only even been D-1 since 2013 and has zero appearances in the NCAA tourney. Their online degrees are supplementing their campus revenue and they ponied up big bucks. You get what you pay for.
Alger as the hiring manager surely understands that the more money you are offering means the better the candidate pool is. Money talks and BS walks. As he and Bourne worked with their 3rd party contractor and coaches’ agents they knew what amount it takes to attract certain candidates. They just aren’t willing to offer it. In my terminology I call that not wanting to win bad enough.
Let’s not distort the truth and say JMU athletics doesn’t have the money. They have $52 million of which $39 million comes from student fees.
Student fee revenue has increased by an average of $1 million per year. Why wouldn’t JMU take a slice of that annual increase and apply it to hiring a proven coach to open the Taj Mahal AUBC? Also, JMU “saved” money by going cheap for 4 long years with Louis Rowe. Why wouldn’t JMU use those savings to invest back in hiring a proven coach? Also, JMU got paid $500k by ECU when they hired coach Houston a year ago. Why wouldn’t they use that money to invest back in hiring a proven coach?
Check out the numbers. You can pick other schools too for the charts and start scratching your head trying to figure out how multiple schools with smaller budgets pay significantly more to their head basketball coach. http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...he_money-1
(03-22-2020 03:35 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote: Why would he be Dean Keener? He has 7 years plus half a season at CoC of head coaching experience. 5 1/2 of those seasons he has had a winning record. He’s never lost 20 games but he’s won 20 3 years in a row. He may not be proven at the level some of us wanted but there’s no denying he’s proven that he’s a solid winning coach. Keener was not.
For goodness sake! I did not say he would be like Keener. Why is it you read a post and take what is written to an extreme? You add things that are not said nor intended.
The guy looks like a good hire. I am going to support him. None of us know how he will do at JMU. I am simply was saying I hope he doesn’t have a Keener like record. I am not expecting him to have that just saying I hope he doesn’t.
Nation I read your post the same way 97 took it. There was no need to even bring up Keener, for the reasons 97 mentioned. Don’t get your panties in such a wad.
That is what is so crazy. My panties are so far away from being in a wad yet that is the way you read the post. I am 100% behind the guy. His track record looks solid. Just because you interpret something wrong doesn’t mean that your interpretation is correct. What more clarification can I give you? This is a good hire.
(03-22-2020 03:10 PM)JMUNation Wrote: Splash this splash that. You guys are beyond ridiculous. Anyone with any sense reads your posts and rolls their eyes. Your answer to everything is spend more money. As if that guarantees anything.
The list of coaches interviewed was pretty dang good and about what any reasonable person could expect. JT III? If he was so great, he would have been hired by a P5 long ago. Pitino? Really? You want him banging hookers on a restaurant table in Harrisonburg? You folks blow me away with your posts. What in the world are you thinking?
There was never going to be a splash hire. Many of us close to the university told you this over and over but you kept posting about how you wanted washed up BIG names. You kept posting about how JMU should spend $1 million on a name hire with multiple NCAA tournament appearances. That guy isn’t coming to JMU!!!!!!! How on earth could you ever expect he would? If you were that coach, would you? I sure as hell wouldn’t.
Can we just move on and support the hire and hope like hell he isn’t another Dean Keener?
Of course the answer is more money. That is why Bruce Drew signed with Grand Canyon University which has only even been D-1 since 2013 and has zero appearances in the NCAA tourney. Their online degrees are supplementing their campus revenue and they ponied up big bucks. You get what you pay for.
Alger as the hiring manager surely understands that the more money you are offering means the better the candidate pool is. Money talks and BS walks. As he and Bourne worked with their 3rd party contractor and coaches’ agents they knew what amount it takes to attract certain candidates. They just aren’t willing to offer it. In my terminology I call that not wanting to win bad enough.
Let’s not distort the truth and say JMU athletics doesn’t have the money. They have $52 million of which $39 million comes from student fees.
Student fee revenue has increased by an average of $1 million per year. Why wouldn’t JMU take a slice of that annual increase and apply it to hiring a proven coach to open the Taj Mahal AUBC? Also, JMU “saved” money by going cheap for 4 long years with Louis Rowe. Why wouldn’t JMU use those savings to invest back in hiring a proven coach? Also, JMU got paid $500k by ECU when they hired coach Houston a year ago. Why wouldn’t they use that money to invest back in hiring a proven coach?
Check out the numbers. You can pick other schools too for the charts and start scratching your head trying to figure out how multiple schools with smaller budgets pay significantly more to their head basketball coach. http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...he_money-1
(03-22-2020 03:10 PM)JMUNation Wrote: Splash this splash that. You guys are beyond ridiculous. Anyone with any sense reads your posts and rolls their eyes. Your answer to everything is spend more money. As if that guarantees anything.
The list of coaches interviewed was pretty dang good and about what any reasonable person could expect. JT III? If he was so great, he would have been hired by a P5 long ago. Pitino? Really? You want him banging hookers on a restaurant table in Harrisonburg? You folks blow me away with your posts. What in the world are you thinking?
There was never going to be a splash hire. Many of us close to the university told you this over and over but you kept posting about how you wanted washed up BIG names. You kept posting about how JMU should spend $1 million on a name hire with multiple NCAA tournament appearances. That guy isn’t coming to JMU!!!!!!! How on earth could you ever expect he would? If you were that coach, would you? I sure as hell wouldn’t.
Can we just move on and support the hire and hope like hell he isn’t another Dean Keener?
Of course the answer is more money. That is why Bruce Drew signed with Grand Canyon University which has only even been D-1 since 2013 and has zero appearances in the NCAA tourney. Their online degrees are supplementing their campus revenue and they ponied up big bucks. You get what you pay for.
Alger as the hiring manager surely understands that the more money you are offering means the better the candidate pool is. Money talks and BS walks. As he and Bourne worked with their 3rd party contractor and coaches’ agents they knew what amount it takes to attract certain candidates. They just aren’t willing to offer it. In my terminology I call that not wanting to win bad enough.
Let’s not distort the truth and say JMU athletics doesn’t have the money. They have $52 million of which $39 million comes from student fees.
Student fee revenue has increased by an average of $1 million per year. Why wouldn’t JMU take a slice of that annual increase and apply it to hiring a proven coach to open the Taj Mahal AUBC? Also, JMU “saved” money by going cheap for 4 long years with Louis Rowe. Why wouldn’t JMU use those savings to invest back in hiring a proven coach? Also, JMU got paid $500k by ECU when they hired coach Houston a year ago. Why wouldn’t they use that money to invest back in hiring a proven coach?
Check out the numbers. You can pick other schools too for the charts and start scratching your head trying to figure out how multiple schools with smaller budgets pay significantly more to their head basketball coach. http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...he_money-1
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Investment in men’s hoops???
