(11-20-2019 04:06 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 03:35 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Georgetown is really the best fit.

1. Northeast
2. Elite academics
3. Old (founded 1789)
4. Influential

I'd be all for it and wouldn't even care if they de-emphasized basketball.

In the reverse direction (more emphasis on sports) would be MIT. Not as old, but mid 1800s and meets the other 3 criteria you put in there. Plus there's the added bonus of their mascot's name being easy to remember, since it's literally just MIT backwards.

Agreed that Georgetown would actually make sense in there though.

I had no idea MIT even had athletics until just now. Even Football.

(11-20-2019 04:48 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 04:06 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 03:35 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Georgetown is really the best fit.

1. Northeast
2. Elite academics
3. Old (founded 1789)
4. Influential

I'd be all for it and wouldn't even care if they de-emphasized basketball.

In the reverse direction (more emphasis on sports) would be MIT. Not as old, but mid 1800s and meets the other 3 criteria you put in there. Plus there's the added bonus of their mascot's name being easy to remember, since it's literally just MIT backwards.

Agreed that Georgetown would actually make sense in there though.

I had no idea MIT even had athletics until just now. Even Football.

Yup - Div III program. MIT Beavers (because the beaver is nature's engineer!).

(11-20-2019 06:29 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 04:48 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 04:06 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 03:35 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Georgetown is really the best fit.

1. Northeast
2. Elite academics
3. Old (founded 1789)
4. Influential

I'd be all for it and wouldn't even care if they de-emphasized basketball.

In the reverse direction (more emphasis on sports) would be MIT. Not as old, but mid 1800s and meets the other 3 criteria you put in there. Plus there's the added bonus of their mascot's name being easy to remember, since it's literally just MIT backwards.

Agreed that Georgetown would actually make sense in there though.

I had no idea MIT even had athletics until just now. Even Football.

Yup - Div III program. MIT Beavers (because the beaver is nature's engineer!).

They ruined WPI's perfect season this year with a 2OT win in Boston, dammit.

MIT used to be considered D1 in the old days. They were independent in football playing Boston College, Boston U., Holy Cross, etc.

(11-21-2019 12:29 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  MIT used to be considered D1 in the old days. They were independent in football playing Boston College, Boston U., Holy Cross, etc.

D1? LMAO

Per wiki...
In 1901, the MIT student body voted 119-117 to discontinue the intercollegiate football squad.

In 1978, a group of students self-organized to re-establish the team

Obviously, David State was referring to the 19th century squad.

(11-19-2019 07:46 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 02:29 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Rice really needs a Magnolia League of academically elite and/or private schools but as long as programs like Vandy, Duke, UNC, UVA, GT, Baylor, and TCU are in P5 leagues there isn’t an interest in forming such a conference.

I disagree. The AAC West would be their ideal home, just bump Memphis to the East. Rice plays their academic peers OOC.

Agreee. The AAC West has a lot in common with the G5 version of the Magnolia League I suggested. That would be a destination Rice would probably be reasonably happy with.

No rice would never be added to the Ivy League. Army and navy should be added to the Ivy League with football being Indy. As for rice, they could drop down to D3 and the UAA but that seems unlikely. Thus, wait to join up with SMU, Tulsa and Tulane someday or try to jump to the mwc since I doubt they like their current spot

Rice to the Ivy? No chance. How much added revenue does Rice add to the conference to allow them to drag the women's rugby team down to Houston? The Ivy League fields 33 sports, with each school offering a significant number of those. For example, every school plays women's squash. Rice offers only 14 sports. Where is Rice going to come up with the hard cash to fund the added teams and expenses associated with repeatedly sending Olympic sport teams to the east coast? In fact, joining the Ivy League would result in the losing the minimal about of CUSA revenue they receive, without saving much on expenses. Remember, the vast majority of the expenses associated with Rice's athletic program are the paper costs associated scholarships. While on paper, they will save money, it really isn't cold hard cash. You still are going to have to take care of your athletes and their will be many, many more of them in the Ivy League. The Ivies treat their athletes first class and have first class facilities for the Olympic sports. Is Rice going to build a rugby pitch or a golf course on campus like Dartmouth?

Army and Navy to the Ivy? No chance. Military academies joining the liberal elite? The recruiting form at Brown asks the prospective athlete what gender they identify with. Do you really think they would allow future soldiers in their elite club. Not a chance.

By the way, I have no recollection of Northwestern ever actually being considered for the Ivy, only Big 10 fans suggesting that they should drop out of the Big 10 and join the Ivy. I don't believe their was any serious interest on either side. Frankly, if anyone in Chicago land would be a candidate to join the Ivy League, it would be the University of Chicago, as they are the top academic school in the region. But, given its conservative bent, I don't think they would be considered for more than 2 seconds.

They Ivies are a different breed. None of the above potential schools fit their profile. The Ivies aren't the SEC or the Big 10. Increasing their tv revenue or their geographic footprint is not exactly a goal of the Ivy League. But, if they ever would consider expanding, and frankly, there is absolutely no reason the Ivies would consider expansion, I would guess schools like MIT or Carnegie Mellon would be looked at. Elite academic schools on the east coast would be the only candidates.

(11-21-2019 11:00 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-19-2019 07:46 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 02:29 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Rice really needs a Magnolia League of academically elite and/or private schools but as long as programs like Vandy, Duke, UNC, UVA, GT, Baylor, and TCU are in P5 leagues there isn’t an interest in forming such a conference.

I disagree. The AAC West would be their ideal home, just bump Memphis to the East. Rice plays their academic peers OOC.

Agreee. The AAC West has a lot in common with the G5 version of the Magnolia League I suggested. That would be a destination Rice would probably be reasonably happy with.

They had the chance and said no, so I have zero sympathies for them.

(11-21-2019 12:01 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(11-21-2019 11:00 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-19-2019 07:46 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 02:29 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Rice really needs a Magnolia League of academically elite and/or private schools but as long as programs like Vandy, Duke, UNC, UVA, GT, Baylor, and TCU are in P5 leagues there isn’t an interest in forming such a conference.

I disagree. The AAC West would be their ideal home, just bump Memphis to the East. Rice plays their academic peers OOC.

Agreee. The AAC West has a lot in common with the G5 version of the Magnolia League I suggested. That would be a destination Rice would probably be reasonably happy with.

They had the chance and said no, so I have zero sympathies for them.

Yes, but would they jump to be with us if they were asked again in lieu of recent events involving UConn's exit? I'd like to find out. (Also, I'd move Navy east and keep Memphis west for geographical reasons. Just have SMU vs. Navy a permanent crossover divisional game.)

(11-21-2019 03:37 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(11-21-2019 12:01 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(11-21-2019 11:00 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-19-2019 07:46 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 02:29 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Rice really needs a Magnolia League of academically elite and/or private schools but as long as programs like Vandy, Duke, UNC, UVA, GT, Baylor, and TCU are in P5 leagues there isn’t an interest in forming such a conference.

I disagree. The AAC West would be their ideal home, just bump Memphis to the East. Rice plays their academic peers OOC.

Agreee. The AAC West has a lot in common with the G5 version of the Magnolia League I suggested. That would be a destination Rice would probably be reasonably happy with.

They had the chance and said no, so I have zero sympathies for them.

Yes, but would they jump to be with us if they were asked again in lieu of recent events? I'd like to find out.

I miss playing Tulane/Tulsa/SMU every year (and UH but we’ve fixed that for now). At least those are closer to peer schools and Rice students actually know people who go to those universities. The overlap between applicants to Rice and other CUSA schools is 0%. Rice students might have some friends at the Texas schools but even that isn’t too likely. Most of the Rice kids I knew from Texas had friends go to Texas/A&M, a private school like SMU/TCU, or a top 20 school out of state.

CUSA is mostly spread across the south which isn’t really a hotbed for Rice applicants. My class had 3 kids from Alabama and maybe 1 or 2 from MS. Atlanta had several kids and a lot were from Florida but mostly the affluent parts in the southern half. The student body is Texas/northeast/Cali/international.

When the AAC split off we had an incompetent AD who should’ve never been hired. After IU fired him we should’ve avoided him at all costs. It isn’t just him though, we’ve had poor vision and execution for years. CDC (now at Texas) was good at raising $ but bolted as soon as he got the chance. Our current AD seems to be modernizing the department but that doesn’t matter if you don’t win in the revenue sports.

(11-21-2019 06:00 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(11-21-2019 03:37 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(11-21-2019 12:01 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(11-21-2019 11:00 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-19-2019 07:46 AM)esayem Wrote:  I disagree. The AAC West would be their ideal home, just bump Memphis to the East. Rice plays their academic peers OOC.

Agreee. The AAC West has a lot in common with the G5 version of the Magnolia League I suggested. That would be a destination Rice would probably be reasonably happy with.

They had the chance and said no, so I have zero sympathies for them.

Yes, but would they jump to be with us if they were asked again in lieu of recent events? I'd like to find out.

I miss playing Tulane/Tulsa/SMU every year (and UH but we’ve fixed that for now). At least those are closer to peer schools and Rice students actually know people who go to those universities. The overlap between applicants to Rice and other CUSA schools is 0%. Rice students might have some friends at the Texas schools but even that isn’t too likely. Most of the Rice kids I knew from Texas had friends go to Texas/A&M, a private school like SMU/TCU, or a top 20 school out of state.

CUSA is mostly spread across the south which isn’t really a hotbed for Rice applicants. My class had 3 kids from Alabama and maybe 1 or 2 from MS. Atlanta had several kids and a lot were from Florida but mostly the affluent parts in the southern half. The student body is Texas/northeast/Cali/international.

When the AAC split off we had an incompetent AD who should’ve never been hired. After IU fired him we should’ve avoided him at all costs. It isn’t just him though, we’ve had poor vision and execution for years. CDC (now at Texas) was good at raising $ but bolted as soon as he got the chance. Our current AD seems to be modernizing the department but that doesn’t matter if you don’t win in the revenue sports.

I understand, but y'all have big-money names that went to your school that could easily donate millions to athletics. Get them to open their pockets and donate, man! (Of course, that's easier said than done. Good luck, Owls.)

The old C-USA West was ideal for Rice: three fellow privates plus cross town Houston. UTEP was the only divisional opponent that they didn’t have a close tie to

(11-21-2019 12:01 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(11-21-2019 11:00 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-19-2019 07:46 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 02:29 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Rice really needs a Magnolia League of academically elite and/or private schools but as long as programs like Vandy, Duke, UNC, UVA, GT, Baylor, and TCU are in P5 leagues there isn’t an interest in forming such a conference.

I disagree. The AAC West would be their ideal home, just bump Memphis to the East. Rice plays their academic peers OOC.

Agreee. The AAC West has a lot in common with the G5 version of the Magnolia League I suggested. That would be a destination Rice would probably be reasonably happy with.

They had the chance and said no, so I have zero sympathies for them.

They did?

(11-21-2019 06:25 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-21-2019 12:01 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(11-21-2019 11:00 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-19-2019 07:46 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 02:29 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Rice really needs a Magnolia League of academically elite and/or private schools but as long as programs like Vandy, Duke, UNC, UVA, GT, Baylor, and TCU are in P5 leagues there isn’t an interest in forming such a conference.

I disagree. The AAC West would be their ideal home, just bump Memphis to the East. Rice plays their academic peers OOC.

Agreee. The AAC West has a lot in common with the G5 version of the Magnolia League I suggested. That would be a destination Rice would probably be reasonably happy with.

They had the chance and said no, so I have zero sympathies for them.

They did?

My impression is that Rice was not invited - so yeah, President Leebron might have been trying to get SMU/Tulane/UH to stay, but it was more like "don't leave us at the altar!"

FTR, I claim zero insider knowledge. Just my impression at the time.

(11-21-2019 12:01 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(11-21-2019 11:00 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-19-2019 07:46 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 02:29 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Rice really needs a Magnolia League of academically elite and/or private schools but as long as programs like Vandy, Duke, UNC, UVA, GT, Baylor, and TCU are in P5 leagues there isn’t an interest in forming such a conference.

I disagree. The AAC West would be their ideal home, just bump Memphis to the East. Rice plays their academic peers OOC.

Agreee. The AAC West has a lot in common with the G5 version of the Magnolia League I suggested. That would be a destination Rice would probably be reasonably happy with.

They had the chance and said no, so I have zero sympathies for them.

I don't believe those stories for a minute.

(11-22-2019 04:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-21-2019 12:01 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(11-21-2019 11:00 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-19-2019 07:46 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 02:29 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Rice really needs a Magnolia League of academically elite and/or private schools but as long as programs like Vandy, Duke, UNC, UVA, GT, Baylor, and TCU are in P5 leagues there isn’t an interest in forming such a conference.

I disagree. The AAC West would be their ideal home, just bump Memphis to the East. Rice plays their academic peers OOC.

Agreee. The AAC West has a lot in common with the G5 version of the Magnolia League I suggested. That would be a destination Rice would probably be reasonably happy with.

They had the chance and said no, so I have zero sympathies for them.

I don't believe those stories for a minute.

Ok

I could see the IVY considering Johns Hopkins (should they move to D1)